#indiewebcamp 2015-12-17

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ben_thatmustbeme tantek, why not "replied 🎁 to ben.thatmustbe.me’s post"
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snarfed ben_thatmustbeme: because personal preference?
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: 1) shorter, 2) emphasizes the primary "intention" 🎁 by putting it first on the line, 3) reacji still feel different in meaning than "just" a reply even if they can be posted/displayed as a reply (as evidenced by you showing them differently than comments)
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tantek keeps reloading https://ben.thatmustbe.me/note/2015/12/8/2/ in the hopes that ben_thatmustbeme's post receives a 🎁 :)
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kylewm i guess it should really be u-🎁-of
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snarfed ahahaha
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ben_thatmustbeme lol
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tantek u-funny kylewm
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ben_thatmustbeme tantk, i did get it, but it got it as a like, i need to do some updates to swap the prference order
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tantek ok cool. you have 1.5 hrs before demos at HWC SF ;)
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ben_thatmustbeme s/tantk/tantek/
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme meant to say: tantek, i did get it, but it got it as a like, i need to do some updates to swap the prference order
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GWG Evening.
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ben_thatmustbeme dang, no go
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ben_thatmustbeme its actually php-comments
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ben_thatmustbeme itf its like-of its a like
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ben_thatmustbeme because thats considered more expressive than just a reply
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ben_thatmustbeme i guess
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek: reload!
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tantek WOOHOO!!!
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tantek good evening #indiewebcamp!
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tantek we're on here in SF
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tantek doing informal conversations to start with
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tantek going to attempt to take notes here
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tantek @andigalpern: my name is Andi Galpern, I'm a UX/UI/product designer, event organizer, design evangelist, content strategy, and marketing even
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tantek @andigalpern: I was really inspired after attending IndieWebCamp SF that I went home and started writing and a blog and wiki tools
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tantek @andigalpern: I want to be more open about my goals and what it is that I want to communicate on my site.
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tantek @andigalpern: It's always to be responsible, I want the content to be available on any device.
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Loqi gives tantek the content to be available on any device
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tantek Thanks Loqi ;)
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Loqi you're welcome
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tantek @andigalpern: my personal website is andigalpern.com and I have a company CascadeSF with 65,000 designers around the world, mostly in the SF Bay Area
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tantek @andigalpern, this is a website (shows private URL) that I never finished. I want to do design and showcase all the talks the I've done, and blogging opinions and stuff.
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@mshook #fedwiki #hypothesis #known #withknown #wikity #indieweb #delicious just twitter, #ohmy @judell @erinjo @joshu @holden @withknown @benward (twitter.com/_/status/677318186107146240)
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tantek @andigalpern: I also have a blog which I just removed the theme
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BWolf BrynWolf
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tantek @Bryn_Wolf: This is my second IndieWeb thing. I'm an anthropologist. I like people and culture and different world perspectives and how things are seen by humans.
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tantek @MarcCanter4Real: Do you blog your projects?
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tantek @Bryn_Wolf: I like to do how-tos. I taught yoga for 5-6 years. I like to post about things for health.
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tantek @Bryn_Wolf: It's informational, and the things that have to do with me are reflective.
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tantek @MarcCanter4Real: Everything you said to sounds like a blog post!
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tantek @Bryn_Wolf: I use WordPress. I have a simple theme. But I'm very hands-on. I'm here to learn how to manipulate things and code.
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tantek @Bryn_Wolf: I don't have a hit counter. Everything that people see is on Facebook. But it's separate from Facebook.
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tantek @andigalpern: I've seen someone do a separate life blog and work blog on their same domain.
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tantek @Bryn_Wolf: I want a more communal area and my things.
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Loqi gives tantek a more communal area and my things
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tantek @Bryn_Wolf: I don't want to get caught up too much sharing my emotions too much because then it becomes a diary.
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tantek @Johannes_Ernst: I installed two instances of WordPress on my own site for multiple purposes.
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tantek @Johannes_Ernst: Both of them have the Social Plugin so both auto-post to Twitter and Facebook.
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tantek @Johannes_Ernst: Both are at the same domain, at the front there is the blog.
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tantek @Johannes_Ernst: And status updates are separate from the blog so I can post to Twitter.
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tantek @Johannes_Ernst: One is for long writing, one is for quick things.
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tantek @Johannes_Ernst: Here for example are my short notes / tweets - e.g. about Philips Hue
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tantek @Johannes_Ernst: I host it here on my site and then POSSE it to Twitter.
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tantek @Johannes_Ernst: I also have a server at home and want it to have the same data that I'm sharing here.
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tantek @Johannes_Ernst: I got myself a Raspberry Pi zero computer.
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tantek @Johannes_Ernst: Imagine you have this thing and you want to setup a root password. It's really really complicated. So I posted about it.
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andicascadesf <!— taking over notes -->
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Loqi andicascadesf: kylewm left you a message on 12/1 at 10:13am: I'm worried the eventbrite RSVP is going to prevent people who've been registered for weeks from coming http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-01/line/1448993596347
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Loqi andicascadesf: kylewm left you a message on 12/1 at 10:13am: based on https://www.facebook.com/events/175203116150206/permalink/193584130978771/ http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-01/line/1448993622418
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andicascadesf @Johannes You see the boot here, you can’t see the command line. If you can run the command on Docker.
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andicascadesf @johannes the end product is that you can run the system without installing it.
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andicascadesf @johannes_Ernst You can run Docker on Rasberry Pie.
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andicascadesf And here’s another alternative. It
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andicascadesf It’s great for evaulation purposes and great for testing purposes.
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andicascadesf My name is Lev. Twitter handle is “@levlaz"
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tantek @levlaz: My website is Levlaz.org
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andicascadesf @levlaz I work for circleci, which is a continuous integration company. I’ve had this blog for a long time.
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andicascadesf @levlaz It’s very simple, it’s WordPress. I usually blog about random things, projects that I’m working on and things that are interesting.
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andicascadesf One thing to note is that I do use a lot of notess and tags on WordPress. I usually categorize things on one level.
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andicascadesf I recently started a project called “braindump” which is a note taking tool.
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andicascadesf @levlaz I created my own structure for tags
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andicascadesf @levlaz THe nice part about WordPress is that instead of having links to static pages, you can actually have links to tags.
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andicascadesf @levlaz 3 weeks ago i released a project called “braindump” which is a notes platform, for multiple people.
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andicascadesf It’s a note taking tool, categorizing notes, mark down editor that makes it easy to format.
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andicascadesf @johannes_Ernst “Its evernote in a web site”
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andicascadesf @levlaz I want to integrate calendars, and events, in a perfect world, this page will show you a list of todo itesm.
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andicascadesf *items
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andicascadesf It’s just the javascript calls to the API and populate all of this.
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@t Seasons greetings from tonight’s Homebrew Website Club! #indieweb #nofilter (http://tantek.com/2015/350/t2/seasons-greetings-homebrew-website-club) https://twitter.com/t/status/677324962521157632/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/677324962521157632)
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andicascadesf https://disqus.com/ “by making it easier for people to comment, people actually do. “ @levlaz
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andicascadesf @tantek I’ve gotten like, for some reason the last 2 weeks were ridiculously productive
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andicascadesf At indie web camp, I tried to get 2 things done. I didn’t get them done completely but I got them partially figured out.
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andicascadesf 1. better mobile design, full bleed edges.
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andicascadesf (@tantek shows us an example of the web site with the photos taking up the full width of the screen)
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andicascadesf @t “The other thing that I got done, the other thing I was working on, was “person tags."
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andicascadesf 4 more days of hacking and I finally got person tags working on photos.
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andicascadesf You can see that I actually tagged everyone in the photo, and if you look at the Facebook copy of hte photo, yes you can see the tags!
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andicascadesf It shows people who are setup with Bridgy.
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andicascadesf On the Facebook copy it uses their Facebook identity to tag them.
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andicascadesf @t Just went to Orlando for Mozlando.
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andicascadesf @t One of the things I did well there was take some video.
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andicascadesf @t we went to the magic kingdom,
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andicascadesf @t Got home after not sleeping for 36 hours, which is the worst time to code something, and also the best time to code something.
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andicascadesf @t long story short – I decided to add videos to my site, and I added a video post.
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andicascadesf @t I edited the video post, and manually posted on Twitter, because we don’t have a manual way to do that yet.
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andicascadesf @t and Twitter doesn’t show it unless you got Javascript done.
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andicascadesf @t now video is working on my site!
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andicascadesf @andigalpern GO @T!
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andicascadesf @t I use instagram client to post, then hot link it to my site
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andicascadesf @t The great thing about this, is that it works across browsers and across mobile!
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andicascadesf @t This is all HTML  – there’s no Flash. It just works.
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andicascadesf It works on Firefox, Safari, Chrome
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andicascadesf @t I am serving it from Instagram servers.
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andicascadesf @t One of the things I do, is when I post on Instagram then I copy and post it to Tumblr.
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andicascadesf @t I have not figured out a way to store large amounts of data on my own site.
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andicascadesf @t I know that Known does that.
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andicascadesf @t Instead of trying to solve the back-end piece, I would get the front-end experience working. It’s just plumbing.
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andicascadesf @t The last thing I’d like to discuss is “reacji"
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andicascadesf It’s kind of like Slack.
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andicascadesf “it lets just respond to anyone’s statement with an emoji"
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andicascadesf Ben Roberts decided to add this to his own site. So if you reply to his site, it replies with Emoji.
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andicascadesf @t
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andicascadesf @t picked the emoji. 2 poops, 1 smiley, 3 candles, and 1 present.
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andicascadesf Ben Roberts decided to implement this feature that’s only in slack, so people could send him birthday wishes in emojis.
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andicascadesf @t I posted it once and it posted the copy on Twitter and on Facebook.
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andicascadesf @t Because you signed up for bridgy.
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@getbitkumo RT @t: Seasons greetings from tonight’s Homebrew Website Club! #indieweb #nofilter (http://tantek.com/2015/350/t2/seasons-greetings-homebrew-website-club) https://twitter.com/t/status/677324962521157632/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/677328552962887680)
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andicascadesf @bryn_wolf because I signed up for Bridgy, it automatically tags me all the way through.
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@levlaz RT @t: Seasons greetings from tonight’s Homebrew Website Club! #indieweb #nofilter (http://tantek.com/2015/350/t2/seasons-greetings-homebrew-website-club) https://twitter.com/t/status/677324962521157632/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/677328676602515456)
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andicascadesf @t I’m here to tell you that if you want to do web video, you can do it, you can post it across browsers.
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bear ah - levaz (from the notes above) is a co-worker!
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[snarfed] bear++ for working at circleci. love it! we use it for both work and side projects (like bridgy)
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Loqi bear has 88 karma
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bear oh coolness
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bear let me know if you want into the osx beta ;)
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[snarfed] cool! if only i developed anything on os x :P
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acegiak anyone else get super funny about wanting to post things on the day they happen?
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acegiak like, if I can't post pictures of the thing that I did/attended/saw/whatever on the day they happened I'm often like "fine, I won't bother then, the record is ruined now"
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KartikPrabhu acegiak: no i just post them later
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[kevinmarks] For a while Tantek's flickr was months behind
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@seyithantopal RT @oSoftDev: Output of the base demo code, and what I turned it into :D MANY revisions! #indiedev #indieweb @SocketIO rocks! http://t.c… (twitter.com/_/status/677421009461485568)
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tantek !tell andicascadesf thank you for helping out with taking notes at the Homebrew Website Club meetup! :)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek acegiak re: posting pictures
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tantek I used to be very strict about posting photos strictly in the order they were taken
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ben_thatmustbeme who is wirres.net
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ben_thatmustbeme well, whoever that is, their webmention was pending moderation since they didn't have a vouch link, so I just approved them
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ben_thatmustbeme http://wirres.net/article/articleview/8955/1/54/
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aaronpk acegiak: I totally have that feeling but only for posting things to my main timeline. I have no problem posting batches of photos later on Flickr
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kylewm ben_thatmustbeme: that's diplix, I don't know if he's on IRC much
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[snarfed] ben_thatmustbeme: just fyi, your header is a bit off on mobile: <https://snarfed.org/Screenshot_20151217-074734.png
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[snarfed] reacji still look great though!
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, i had intended to completely redo my css, there are several problems
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ben_thatmustbeme now, who will be the second one to add it?
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[aaronpk] Oh man I'm excited! Pebble just launched a firmware update which does sleep tracking on the watch without a separate app, and it writes the data to HealthKit! Now I can make an iOS app that reads the sleep data from HealthKit and posts it to my micropub endpoint!
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ben_thatmustbeme nice
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ben_thatmustbeme i've been waiting for someone to do that with google fit data
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aaronpk are there new bridgy permalinks now that home page mentions work?
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[jonnybarnes] PHP 7.0.1 was released today, one of the bugs it fixed was a failure to compile on systems with 160 CPU cores!
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aaronpk i just realized my streaming twitter search script which uses bridgy permalinks doesn't work for home page mentions becuase i can't craft the bridgy URL without a twitter URL to reply to
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[jonnybarnes] does the wiki have a page where people list what languages/environments they use to make their websites?
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aaronpk [jonnybarnes]: not explicitly, but you can probably find that either on people's user pages or on the project page for their software
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[snarfed] aaronpk: they're <http://brid.gy/post/|brid.gy/post/...
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aaronpk what the heck is going on with the slack bridge
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aaronpk URLs got all funky the last couple days
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[snarfed] mwahahaha
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aaronpk thx [snarfed]
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aaronpk hm does that only work for people who are bridgy users?
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aaronpk this is giving me an error: https://brid.gy/post/twitter/herchugm/677539301975040001
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aaronpk oh ha it works if I use my username there
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aaronpk guess it needs to know what twitter credentials to use with the API
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aaronpk well that simplified things nicely
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[snarfed] right
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[snarfed] aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 37 karma
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[jonnybarnes] aaronpk you’re website has two posts for your couch power strip?
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aaronpk heh yeah. I'v ebeen going to ownyourgram.com to manually PESOS photos from instagram since the web hook is broken
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aaronpk i think one of the web hooks worked so it ended up there twice
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tantek and yes as Kevinmarks indicates, sometimes my Flickr would fall behind months. Now I'm mixing it up a bit on IG / my site. Still mostly in order though.
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tantek.com edited /Main_Page (-389) "next hwc" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /next-hwc (+0) "next hwc" (view diff)
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tantek !tell adactio could you confirm the location for HWC Brighton 2015-12-30? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-12-30-homebrew-website-club#Where
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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tantek !tell Jeena could you confirm the location for HWC Göteborg 2015-12-30? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-12-30-homebrew-website-club#Where
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell aaronpk could you confirm the location for HWC Portland 2015-12-30? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-12-30-homebrew-website-club#Where
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell kylewm could you post a FB POSSE copy for our very last HWC SF event of the year? https://kylewm.com/2015/12/sf-homebrew-website-club-2
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek.com edited /Events (-397) "move 12-16 to past, remove possible IWC NYC, couldn't find a suitable venue and insufficient interest to merit travel. let's hack stuff instead!" (view diff)
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tantek now the question for 2016 for HWC - shall we start on the 5th or 12th? I ask because we may want to pick one or another depending on which every two weeks schedule collides with fewer official holidays
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KevinMarks I just wrote a webmention issue instead of editing the page; wondering how that works now.
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KevinMarks https://github.com/aaronpk/webmention/issues/24
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aaronpk IMO it's easier to have discussions in github issues rather than in the wiki. so if it's something that needs working out, github is a good place for that
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tantek KevinMarks: an issue is good because it easier to ask for something to be solved rather than solve it. and what aaronpk said.
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Loqi aaronpk: tantek left you a message 22 minutes ago: could you confirm the location for HWC Portland 2015-12-30? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-12-30-homebrew-website-club#Where http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-17/line/1450380704128
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tantek !tell gRegorLove now that 2016 is around the corner, and you're active creating important wiki pages ;) - could you take a look at potential HWC date schedules starting the 5th or the 12th and see which collides with fewer official US holidays?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: have you implemented both sending & receiving Salmentions or just sending?
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tantek.com edited /Salmentions (+0) "put Ben Roberts before me as co-editor since he has implemented more of Salmentions than I have (I'm here to help with the algorithm specese and such)" (view diff)
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gRegorLove tantek: Wednesday January 13th would be the next one following the two-week schedule. I don't think there's a holiday conflict.
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Loqi gRegorLove: tantek left you a message 4 minutes ago: now that 2016 is around the corner, and you're active creating important wiki pages ;) - could you take a look at potential HWC date schedules starting the 5th or the 12th and see which collides with fewer official US holidays? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-17/line/1450382094824
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gRegorLove 5th and 12th are Tuesdays. Is that for the Brighton HWC?
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tantek gRegorLove: you're right. I meant 6th and 13th
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gRegorLove I can add links to the HWC table starting with the 13th
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tantek I wanted to check especially re: day before Thanksgiving, xmas, NYE etc.
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gRegorLove Oh, extrapolating out to the rest of the year you mean?
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tantek yes
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gRegorLove Ok, I'll check
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GWG sighs
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gRegorLove Starting on the 13th puts one on Thanksgiving Eve
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tantek yes that's what I was worried about
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gRegorLove Xmas and NYE are fine though
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tantek either way?
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GWG Thanksgiving eve is a thing?
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gRegorLove Yes. Xmas is Sunday and NYE is a Saturday
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tantek GWG - most airtraveled day of the year. Figured you of all people would know that. ;)
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GWG Thanksgiving is not a big thing in Ireland
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GWG Anyway, how are people coming with their pre-2016 goals?
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petermolnar Thanksgiving is us only, which is not really surprising
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gRegorLove tantek: Preference on shifting the dates forward, backward, or leave as-is and skip Thanksgiving week HWC?
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petermolnar s/us/US
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Loqi petermolnar meant to say: Thanksgiving is US only, which is not really surprising
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GWG petermolnar, you are incorrect
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GWG Canadians celebrate Thanksgiving, just earlier
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gRegorLove July 4 is a Monday, so no other major holiday conflicts I can see, regardless of HWC date choice
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tantek GWG - re: pre 2016 goals: https://indiewebcamp.com/2016-01-01-commitments
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tantek GWG, you and I both need to note ours
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petermolnar fair point
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gRegorLove what is indieweb commitments?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "indieweb commitments" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109t
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gRegorLove what is indieweb commitment?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "indieweb commitment" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109u
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gRegorLove I thought that existed.
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tantek somewhere I said something about person-tags but now I can't find it
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tantek I think it was at IWC SF or HWC 12-02
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gRegorLove What is indieweb new year committment?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "indieweb new year committment" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109v
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gRegorLove What's "gRegor can't spell"?
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tantek.com edited /Vouch (+0) "put aaronpk before me as co-editor since he has implemented more of Vouch than I have (concept, diagrams, algorithm specese are my contributions)" (view diff)
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GWG tantek, my new year is October 2
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KevinMarks http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2015-12-02.html#person%20tagging
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GWG But I don't know if the project I'm struggling with will launch by then
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KevinMarks hm, should I webmention people with the person tags in those notes posts?
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tantek KevinMarks: I'm still not sure just being the author of a quote merits a person-tag
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GWG https://david.shanske.com/2015/12/13/post-kinds-improvements/
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KevinMarks what are your criteria then?
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tantek what *would* I think merit a person tag is if you separately listed at the top the attendees / participants that you saw at the meeting by name/URL
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "your criteria then" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109w
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GWG Is this close enough?
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tantek KevinMarks: it has to be something explicit
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tantek not just automatic based on some other semantic
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tantek that's the criteria of tags in general
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tantek an explicit intention to tag someone by the author
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tantek or something
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KevinMarks I'm in the room with them, transcribing their talk
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tantek right, that's semantic is a citation
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tantek we already have that
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aaronpk i've person-tagged people by them being the author of a quote
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KevinMarks which is directly analogous to tagging them in a photo of them in the room
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tantek automatically inferring citation -> person-tag is diluting the meaning of person-tag
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tantek no that's different because they are in the photo, rather than "speaking" the photo
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KevinMarks I'm not auto-inferring, noterlive is adding them because I am live-transcribing them
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tantek you are citing them. then noterlive is auto-over-marking-them-up
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KevinMarks they are in the discussion
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tantek that's not where they are in the current markup
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tantek their current reference is as the active speaker
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tantek which is just a citation
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aaronpk http://aaron.pk/n4dt1
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tantek see above where I said what *would* I think merit
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KevinMarks but the link is between pages
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KevinMarks my page is a representation of that HWC meeting
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tantek so? that's links in general. not special.
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tantek not really, it's a transcript
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KevinMarks their page is a representation of them
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tantek this is the same problem as why every use of a word is not a tag of that word
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tantek you of all people know that difference
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tantek another example: a definition of a word is not a tag of that word either
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tantek it's a separate semantic
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KevinMarks I agree that noy every @-mention is a tag
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KevinMarks but my notes posts are records of events, and I am person-tagging them as contributors to that event
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tantek if you had a section at the top saying "the following people participated in the discussion: a, b, c etc." those are the "in the thing" type person-tags
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tantek but you don't have that
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tantek "person-tagging them as contributors" <--- that's the problem
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tantek if they're a contributor, you're already citing them
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tantek no need to *also* person-tag them
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tantek if you had a section at the top saying "the following people were in the meetup" <-- that's the analogy to people being in a photo
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tantek mentioned and tagged once
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KevinMarks there is a difference between one of my notes posts and, say, the web page for this channel
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tantek a key indicator that your person-tagging them is incorrect is that you do it for every time you cite them
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tantek that smells of automatiion
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tantek automatic citation -> person-tag
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KevinMarks you're just saying I need better automation to dedupe them
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tantek it's not just " they were at the event"
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tantek there are sometimes people at the event (which would merit a person-tag) that don't say anything that you cite
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tantek here's the thing, yes you should webmention them as being quoted, no they are not person-tags because you're typing their name in as a speaker, not as someone to tag. (and saying you're doing both proves my point of diluting the meaning of person-tag)
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tantek from a UX perspective, their notifications should show
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tantek "Kevinmarks quoted you in his post"
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tantek because that's what you're actually doing
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tantek not "Kevinmarks tagged you in his post" - because when they click through - visually it does not seem to convey being person-tagged, but rather, being quoted!
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tantek from a UX perspective, it's pretty obvious you're abusing person-tags
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KevinMarks no, I just have a different view of them from you
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tantek you're welcome to try to explain how the UX makes sense as I did above (showing they didn't make sense)
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tantek simply saying "have a different view" doesn't really make an argument
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tantek.com edited /2016-01-01-commitments (+248) "/* Posts */ add my declaration to get person-tags working" (view diff)
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aaronpk If i'm standing up talking at HWC I would definitely prefer my watch to show me notifications like "Kevinmarks quoted you in a post" instead of "Kevinmarks tagged you in a post" since they'd be blowing up my watch every couple seconds
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tantek.com edited /2016-01-01-commitments (+177) "/* Posts */ ok I have person-tagged photos." (view diff)
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tantek GWG, have you blogged your 2016-01-01 launch commitment?
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KevinMarks well, aaronpk, they will be doing that anyway as bridgy will be posse-ing the @ mentions on twitter
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KevinMarks I meant I should send one webmention per speaker for the whole summary post
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tantek.com edited /Planning (+568) "/* 2016 */ add HWC options, opinions" (view diff)
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tantek gRegorLove: could you add your opinions/prefs re: HWC 2016 start dates? https://indiewebcamp.com/Planning#2016
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tantek actually that's for everyone - please note your prefs about what day we restart HWC meetups in 2016: https://indiewebcamp.com/Planning#2016
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[snarfed] ideally wm targets would only send notifs based on new/changed content, not per received wm, but maybe that's not common in practice yet
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tantek snarfed, any pref / avail difference for HWC 2016? 01-06 vs 01-13?
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tantek aaronpk - as Portland HWC host - appreciate your input in particular on this
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[snarfed] tantek: not yet. thanks for checking!
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tantek gRegorLove: let's give til EOD Friday (tomorrow) across timezones (PST) to settle on when to restart
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tantek make sense?
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tantek and then yes - would very much appreciate the template update and page creation!
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KevinMarks does webmention say what to do if the target is linked to multiple times from the source?
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tantek two ways of asking that
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tantek what do webmention receivers do if there are multiple instances of "target" in the "source"?
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tantek (empirical question)
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tantek what *should* webmention receivers do if there are multiple instances of "target" in the "source"?
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tantek (aspirational question)
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KevinMarks if the source has a fragment, does that make a difference?
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tantek what is marginalia?
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Loqi Marginalia are interactions or responses to arbitrary parts of a post, in contrast to a traditional comment which refers to the entire post https://indiewebcamp.com/marginalia
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tantek ^^^ yes :)
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KevinMarks if source=http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-17#t1450385685551 target=http://tantek.com/
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KevinMarks that's target
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KevinMarks fragment on target is marginalia
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KevinMarks fragment on source = more specific reference?
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tantek that would make sense as an extension yes
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tantek here's the use-case
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tantek you want the recipient of the webmention to *only* display the paragraph (as a comment) with the specific ID fragment that you're using in the source URL
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tantek and then link to that paragraph within the context of your larger (perhaps article) post
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tantek *a* use-case
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KevinMarks right
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KevinMarks building webmentions with notes first made it easier
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KevinMarks when it's an article, working out what to show is trickier
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ben_thatmustbeme ac, not getting updates on here, must have left this open on my home machine
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ben_thatmustbeme i'm thinking when i get the UI cleaned up more, i'm going to convert all my likes in to reacji hearts
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KevinMarks which may be part of what went wrong with pingbacks - their default model was a link within a long post, hence the crude excerpting
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KevinMarks do the reacji work with my style tweets, or is the problem that bridgy doesn't send those?
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snarfed yup bridgy still doesn't send quote tweets
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snarfed https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/504
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snarfed honestly i'm not planning to work on that anytime soon, but i'd happily merge a PR if anyone else wants to!
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snarfed (all these twitter features would be so much easier if they had API support for any new features since, oh, 2009 or so...but i'm not holding my breath :P)
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ben_thatmustbeme my site doesn't handle reacji from twitter yes
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ben_thatmustbeme s/yes/yet/
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme meant to say: my site doesn't handle reacji from twitter yet
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ben_thatmustbeme as the backfed body contains '@dissolve333 <emoji>'
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KevinMarks not if it's a quoted link- this way http://www.kevinmarks.com/notinourstars.html
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aaronpk wow $76 for 3-years of the new AWS EC2 machine
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snarfed t2.nano++
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KevinMarks what if I send you a Webmention for the tweet directly?
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snarfed no mf2 in tweets
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Jeena !tell tantek I'm not sure I will be back from the winter hollidays untill the dec 30
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Loqi Jeena: tantek left you a message 2 hours, 4 minutes ago: could you confirm the location for HWC Göteborg 2015-12-30? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-12-30-homebrew-website-club#Where http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-17/line/1450380693894
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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aaronpk KevinMarks: I basically do that by sending myself a webmention with a source of https://brid.gy/post/twitter/aaronpk/ID
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aaronpk from the script that's tapped in to the streaming API
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snarfed true! sadly wouldn't work in this specific case though. they need it rendered as in-reply-to the quoted tweet, which bridgy/granary haven't implemented yet
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ben_thatmustbeme KevinMarks: you could but you would have to mark up a page to be the placeholder mf2 version of the tweet, like brid.gy does
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KevinMarks ah
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snarfed aaronpk: t2.nano is definitely interesting. looks like the perfect candidate for e.g. huffduff-video: https://github.com/snarfed/huffduff-video/issues/11#issuecomment-165591321
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ben_thatmustbeme goes about reprocessing kylewm's twitter reacji
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ben_thatmustbeme it works!
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ben_thatmustbeme twitter reacji now working!
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ben_thatmustbeme https://ben.thatmustbe.me/note/2015/12/16/3/
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KevinMarks but not my style?
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snarfed ben_thatmustbeme: cool! you're stripping leading @-mentions?
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aaronpk snarfed: nice
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ben_thatmustbeme https://twitter.com/kylewmahan/status/677171473698521088
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@kylewmahan @dissolve333 🐶 (twitter.com/_/status/677171473698521088)
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ben_thatmustbeme snarfed: actually stripping out ALL @mentions of my name
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snarfed makes sense
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ben_thatmustbeme because if they put <emoji> @dissolve333 its just as valid
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KevinMarks but not https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/677602694391947264
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@kevinmarks 🌟 https://ben.thatmustbe.me/note/2015/12/16/3/ (twitter.com/_/status/677602694391947264)
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gRegorLove tantek: Makes sense. Added a third option and voted. I don't have much of a pref since I'm not attending an HWC currently :)
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ben_thatmustbeme woah.... that worked?
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ben_thatmustbeme i didn't know bridgy would pick that up
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ben_thatmustbeme but KevinMarks it worked, reload
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KevinMarks I seprately sent http://known.kevinmarks.com/2015/untitled-2
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ben_thatmustbeme ah, yeah, i was just looking that up
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KevinMarks lol, thanks known
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snarfed ben_thatmustbeme: so you also strip out the post link if it's in the content?
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snarfed aha, nm, it's from his known post
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, thats why i was like whuuu???
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KevinMarks I should have used a different star
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ben_thatmustbeme snarfed: bridgy won't pick that post up though right?
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Loqi +1
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KevinMarks you could use the facepile+emoji presentation?
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snarfed ben_thatmustbeme: it will. it now searches for links to your site and backfeeds them
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snarfed on twitter and G+
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snarfed launched maybe a few months ago
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ben_thatmustbeme KevinMarks: I have an idea to use hovers and make it look similar to Slack's UI
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ben_thatmustbeme but i haven't gotten there yet
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KevinMarks oh, so that would be sent?
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ben_thatmustbeme oh wow
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snarfed yeah but probably won't work as reacji unless ben_thatmustbeme strips the post link
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, i'll update the code for that once i get the reply
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KevinMarks I cheat by making the likes show up as stars: http://www.kevinmarks.com/#webmentions
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KevinMarks though the recycle for repost doesn't work as well - I need a shadow or something
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gRegorLove tantek: Er, disregard. I can't do date-math today apparently :)
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ben_thatmustbeme ohhhh, it came in as a mention of that page
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ben_thatmustbeme which i don't display currently
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ben_thatmustbeme i store them, but don't display them
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ben_thatmustbeme so it still won't work as reacji
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snarfed ah true
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snarfed you could arguably extend reacji to single char mentions too
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ben_thatmustbeme hmm, i'm a little hesitant on that one
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aaronpk i was thinking about that
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aaronpk or possibly single words, so you could do polls :)
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: i thought of that too
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ben_thatmustbeme but it would be annoying for me to determine if I should group replies or not, etc
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ben_thatmustbeme reacji work for polls as it is
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ben_thatmustbeme thumbs up/down
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ben_thatmustbeme smile / frown
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ben_thatmustbeme Polls usually have a set range of values though
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ben_thatmustbeme like "respond a, b, c, or d" (oxford comma... always oxford comma)
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ben_thatmustbeme which i thought would be a cool way to extend polls from events
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ben_thatmustbeme or rather the other way around
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ben_thatmustbeme event lists a set of possible responses "attending" "not attending" "attending day 1 only" "attending day 2 only" "attending remotely"
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[snarfed] KevinMarks: heh, I'm surprised your home page hasn't made voxpelli add paging to <https://webmention.herokuapp.com/ :P
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[snarfed] (also he badly needs a proper name for that thing!)
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aaronpk I thought webmention.io was a bad name but yeah...
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KevinMarks now I get all twitter mentions it is a lot busier
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aaronpk lol
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KevinMarks mentiontech is no better
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ben_thatmustbeme hmmm, i can't turn mentions in to reacji so easily
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ben_thatmustbeme at least not in this format
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ben_thatmustbeme http://www.unmung.com/mf2?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbrid-gy.appspot.com%2Fpost%2Ftwitter%2Fdissolve333%2F677602694391947264&html=&pretty=on
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voxpelli [snarfed]: I maybe should do something about that :)
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ben_thatmustbeme i would not want to use html field as that adds a bunch more complexity, and the text field shortens the url
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snarfed ben_thatmustbeme: complexity is maybe an overstatement, right? you just need to strip tags
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ben_thatmustbeme snarfed: no, thats what text is
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snarfed oh nm, you're right, you need to pull the url out of the link
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ben_thatmustbeme i have to grab the href= value, and then assume that the value in the a tag is correct
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voxpelli [snarfed]: new name and a proper domain name would be a good idea eventually, I agree :)
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snarfed voxpelli: lol good to hear
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snarfed does it have a name at all right now?
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aaronpk I'm tempted to rename webmention.io to something more along the lines of the rest of the p3k names too
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snarfed (i don't mind the domain, personally)
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snarfed aaronpk: ooh i dunno, the webmention.io name is pretty well known, you'd lose that if you renamed
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aaronpk yeah true. maybe i could keep the domain but give it a proper name
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voxpelli snarfed: "A WebMention Endpoint" can't really be called a name I guess :P
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: courier pidgen ?
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aaronpk ha
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ben_thatmustbeme telegraph?
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aaronpk Telegraph is what i'm building to send webmentions
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aaronpk https://github.com/aaronpk/Telegraph
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aaronpk (api feedback welcome btw)
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ben_thatmustbeme hmmm, heres an interesting question... now that i have the reacji (and it could be from a like or a reply) do i mark it up a p-comment or as p-like?
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ben_thatmustbeme for salmention reasons
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ben_thatmustbeme pretty sure i can't do p-like since it may not be
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aaronpk whatever it came in as I would imagine
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ben_thatmustbeme i throw that info away as it becomes a "reacji"
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ben_thatmustbeme i guess reply and its up to the person processing it from me to determine if its a reacji or not
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snarfed ben_thatmustbeme: there was a big irc discussion on this yesterday
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KevinMarks mention-tech sends webmentions by receiving them
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snarfed one camp (tantek) interpreted reacji as "fancy likes," another (aaronpk) interpreted them as replies, and explicitly *not* likes
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snarfed +1 to aaronpk's "whatever they came in as"
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, i interpret them as very much not likes
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ben_thatmustbeme i was here for that
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ben_thatmustbeme but i am NOT going to maintain that info
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ben_thatmustbeme what it came in as vs what i interpret it as
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snarfed why not?
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snarfed out of curiosity
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snarfed apart from just being more work
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ben_thatmustbeme check out hover on those
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ben_thatmustbeme a lot of work to do
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ben_thatmustbeme s/those/my reacji display/
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ben_thatmustbeme gtg catch a train
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kylewm just found out webmention.herokuapp.com streams comment edits as well as new comments
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Loqi kylewm: tantek left you a message 2 hours, 59 minutes ago: could you post a FB POSSE copy for our very last HWC SF event of the year? https://kylewm.com/2015/12/sf-homebrew-website-club-2 http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-17/line/1450380817898
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kylewm that is very cool to see!
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kylewm voxpelli++
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Loqi voxpelli has 60 karma
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kylewm sure thing, tantek
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voxpelli :)
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@kylewmahan @Johannes_Ernst maybe trying to get you to launch a drone strike against someone https://github.com/aaronpk/webmention/issues/10#issuecomment-160013380 (twitter.com/_/status/677621588057939968)
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aaronpk lol kylewm
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kylewm oh man, forgot about the all-seeing eye of Loqi again
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aaronpk you can't escape Loqi
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aaronpk the only place you can hide from Loqi is on facebook
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Loqi yeah!
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