#indiewebcamp 2015-12-26

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Schnitz back
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tantek Whoa
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tantek Schnitz! You back for good?
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GWG You two know each other?
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Schnitz Yep, Alive and kicking, I will join this thingy of yours here, its cool man!
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Schnitz Don't worry, this time I won't mess it up, like I did with Xforms ... :-)
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tantek Schnitz: no worries, we all learn from these experiences.
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tantek Schnitz, just got to keep saying NO to all the architecture astronomy mafias, no matter what shape they take.
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Schnitz definitely... I watched your youtube video Tantek Çelik - The once and future IndieWeb and I like 100% agree
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tantek Great!
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Schnitz That was like a resurrection for me... man I felt so bad all these years
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Schnitz for what happened to 'our' Web back then
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tantek Schnitz: it's ok man, it's not your fault. The forces at work were overwhelming and unavoidable.
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Schnitz true. So glad you say that. Absolutely true.
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tantek Not until the great web schism of 2004 did we start to get somewhere. With the subsequent formation of WHATWG and microformats.org
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Schnitz Yeah totally. I'm 100% ok with how things went on, with all the deviations and errors. Then Silos came. And were all wrong about putting user experience first. Architecture astronauts. I was one too. I know. But hey. Its a about the people. I had such a great time back then with you guys and especially you. I value that a lot and often think about all those things that happened BESIDES...
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Schnitz ...technology :-)
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loqi.me created /architecture_astronauts (+35) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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tantek Until that point it was an unwinnable battle. There's nothing you or I or anyone could do singlehandedly to beat the architecture astronauts.
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tantek You were not an architecture astronaut. You built things. You built working things.
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tantek You built things no-one had built before.
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tantek Don't put yourself down.
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tantek Just because we gave in to the architecture astronauts in the early 2000s doesn't mean we became them.
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Schnitz Wow. Thanks so much dude. I felt soo ba :-)
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Schnitz bad
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KartikPrabhu wrote up a Flexbox trick I figured out for my photos display: https://kartikprabhu.com/articles/equal-height-images-flexbox
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tantek You compromised. We all did. But that doesn't mean you became them.
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KartikPrabhu maybe useful for others
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tantek Hey KartikPrabhu ! Cool!
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Schnitz Absolutely man. ...
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Schnitz KartikPrabhu: Yeah way cool dude!
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KartikPrabhu :D
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tantek KartikPrabhu: do I need custom flex settings for each image?
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tantek that sounds like, work.
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KartikPrabhu unfortunately yes. I tried to figure out how to avoid that but there doesn't seem to be another way
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KartikPrabhu each image has a diff. aspect ratio so i don't see how to have a catch-all CSS
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KartikPrabhu would be neat if someone knows :)
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KartikPrabhu tantek: it is some work, but not as much as using non-flexbobx :P
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tantek In my experience with multi-photo posts, I want to do such things automatically
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tantek KartikPrabhu: pretty sure there's a way to do it
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KartikPrabhu if you figure it out let me know! It'd be very useful
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tantek I may eventually. Right now I just let them stack
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tantek because it looks good on mobile
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KartikPrabhu oh yeah mine stack on small screens too
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KartikPrabhu you just put the display:flex in a media query
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tantek oh yeah
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tantek Schnitz: when you're ready to setup your site with IndieAuth, we're ready to help :)
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Schnitz I'll do that for sure man...! Give me a couply of days, ramping up some stuff currently and then I'll be all into it :-)
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tantek Schnitz: then we can show you how to add yourself to /irc-people so you can have a link and icon like we do in the logs: https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-25#bottom
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Schnitz perfect, makes a lot of sense, want that :-)
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david.shanske.com edited /WordPress_hentry_problem (+1779) (view diff)
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GWG It's a start.
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tantek thanks GWG
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GWG Now that I've documented the problem, can someone please help me figure out how to solve it?
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KartikPrabhu here is a live example of equal heights in use: https://kartikprabhu.com/articles/streets-india
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snarfed.org edited /WordPress_hentry_problem (+731) "simple workaround" (view diff)
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tantek Hey Schnitz you're in Germany right?
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Schnitz yup
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tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/events#2016
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Schnitz Did you highlight that just now for me? :-)
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Schnitz I have a company in Nürnberg that does Semantic Web stuff BTW
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Schnitz Tantek: Perfect, I'll be there
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tantek Schnitz: adding a few more now
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Schnitz ah ok... cool
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tantek Schnitz: great - we should talk about practical web vs. semantic web
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tantek UX web vs. plumbing web
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Schnitz right... we should and can... however no worries, the company is using SemWeb Technology for Medical in Intranets... so nothing for the wide open web
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tantek right, as invisible plumbing all that stuff is fine. if it helps get the job done easily, more power to you.
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tantek when it affects the UX and makes it awkward for users, then it's a problem
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tantek which is what often happens on the pratical, open web
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Schnitz For the web out there... I'm totally with you, dead simple, UX first, forget about plumbing and all standards bullshit, as long as its simple and it works we're good
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tantek.com edited /Events (+365) "/* 2016 */ note NYC and MIT being planned for 2016" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Events (+159) "/* 2016 */ IndieWeb summit in early June" (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme !tell snarfed, KevinMarks supporting reacji from quote tweets is not likely to happen, I have to start removing syndication urls (truncated in the exact same way twitter does with uses the '...' single character)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek.com created /SF (+21) "most recent SF was 2015" (view diff)
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GWG Hello, tantek
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tantek.com edited /2015/SF (+48) "next year" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /2016/SF (+36) "redirect to planning for SF for now" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Planning (+467) "/* Planning */ San Francisco, interested, can co-organize, May and December as possible months. Suggest February for Florida" (view diff)
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tantek !tell adactio want to add a "Brighton" section here and suggest some months or dates that you think would be good for an IndieWebCamp Brighton 2016?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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tantek !tell adactio as in here: https://indiewebcamp.com/Planning#2016 :)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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tantek.com edited /2015/SF (+163) "/* Photos */ add 4 more photos!" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2015/SF (+247) "/* Photos */ from, also posted on my own site" (view diff)
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GWG Good morning, gRegorLove
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gRegorLove Morning, GWG
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GWG What's new with you in IndieWeb terms?
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gRegorLove I'm making good progress on reply contexts. Should hopefully have it launched today.
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gRegorLove Using php-mf2 and aaronpk's twitter-shim. Working great so far, just working on the CSS.
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gRegorLove Also need to account for private Twitter accounts and not show those reply contexts.
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gRegorLove How about you?
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GWG Working on the same problem from a design perspective actually
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GWG Does the Twitter shim give you a PHP strict standard warning?
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gRegorLove I don't know. I have strict suppressed
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GWG My problem is that on some things being replied to, the author is more important than others
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gRegorLove I can check. I presume you're getting strict warnings?
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gRegorLove More important? How?
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GWG I fixed it, but was considering raising it as an issue
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GWG I haven't figured out how to distinguish multi author sites which makes the site more significant than the single author
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GWG Example, I reply to a newspaper article vs a tweet
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gRegorLove I'd keep it simple to start - display them the same way.
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GWG I have been
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GWG I want to evolve
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GWG I display everything the same now
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GWG A like displays the same as a reply
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GWG I'm not sure if anyone is varying their display based on the type of url being responded to.
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[shaners] GWG: Can you add markup examples of the wp he try issue to the wiki article please? <http://indiewebcamp.com/WordPress_hentry_problem
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GWG What would you consider an example?
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GWG I have referenced multiple discussions
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GWG You want site examples?
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[shaners] You tell me. Copy the HTML from a webpage that has the hentry class misused.
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gRegorLove Something that shows where the hentry appears incorrectly
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GWG shaners, where would you put your hentry? On what element?
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gRegorLove Examples of where it's wrong in WP is more useful. We have /h-entry already
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[shaners] What gregorlove said
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gRegorLove GWG: What are the content post types WP adds hentry to that it shouldn't?
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aaronpk i haven't checked on the twitter shim in a while. I don't think I've run it on php 5.6 yet
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GWG page, specifically for built in types
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GWG aaronpk, have you noticed a strict standard issue?
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aaronpk i haven't checked yet
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gRegorLove GWG: hentry on a WP page isn't necessarily a problem, is it?
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snarfed.org edited /WordPress_hentry_problem (+96) "/* IndieWeb Examples */" (view diff)
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gRegorLove Man, it's easy to let your CSS selectors get out of hand.
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gRegorLove trims his CSS
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GWG Not always
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aaronpk I may have just created a webmention loop to myself
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aaronpk i need a new rule
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aaronpk this post appears in the reply context as well as in "other mentions" https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5800/23360367143_bbf74d69b2_n.jpg
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aaronpk so I think if a post gets a webmention from the "in-reply-to" URL of that post, it should not treat it as a regular mention
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gRegorLove In Twitter API responses, "protected": true means the account is private, right?
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gRegorLove I'm debating whether to still store the reply-context but not display it publicly in that case.
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[aaronpk] Interesting
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gRegorLove What do you do with replies to protected tweets, aaronpk?
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aaronpk i'm not actually sure
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[snarfed] gRegorLove: yes. <https://dev.twitter.com/overview/api/users
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Loqi [snarfed]: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message 17 hours, 13 minutes ago: supporting reacji from quote tweets is not likely to happen, I have to start removing syndication urls (truncated in the exact same way twitter does with uses the '...' single character) http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-25/line/1451092795051
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gRegorLove Thanks, snarfed! #lazyindieweb :)
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gRegorLove Let there be reply-contexts! https://gregorlove.com/2015/07/solution-or-go-home-couldnt/
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gregorlove.com edited /reply-context-examples (+266) "/* gRegor Morrill */ Updated" (view diff)
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Schnitz hey there
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gregorlove.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:gregorlove-reply-context-2015-12-26.png]]""
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Schnitz so I added the rel="me" link to the tumblr template on my tumblr, that has my domain name on it (belp.audio) and IndieAuth tells me "belp.audio This is not a supported authentication provider." I guess its prohibited to use / hijack something like Tumblr for your one website and join IndieWebCamp with that?
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gRegorLove Hi Schnitz. I see a rel-me to belp.audio only. IndieAuth uses rel-me links to your other profiles like Twitter, Github, etc. to authenticate you.
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gRegorLove The domain pointing to tumblr isn't a problem though
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[snarfed] gRegorLove: looks great!
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[snarfed] good crowd adding reply contexts recently
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gRegorLove Thanks!
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Schnitz gRegorLove: interesting. I don't have other profiles, just Tumblr... oh wait, yes, Soundcloud, but thats it, I add a rel=me on my soundcloud link on belp.audio
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gRegorLove Don't think Soundcloud is supported for IndieAuth, unfortunately
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Schnitz yep, just tried this
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Schnitz belp.audio
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Schnitz This is not a supported authentication provider.
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Schnitz soundcloud.com/belp-music
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Schnitz This is not a supported authentication provider.
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Schnitz Ok interesting. Is this a new problem? I don't have Twitter, Facebook, etc. BECAUSE they are Silos :-)
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Schnitz whats they least 'annoying' supported authentication provider, GitHub?
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Schnitz they = the
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gRegorLove Probably, imo
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Schnitz alright, thanks for letting me know. Will check that out later... TTYL
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gRegorLove I don't have experience with it, but I think there are ways to delegate an authorization server: https://indiewebcamp.com/distributed-indieauth
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Schnitz interesting. Thanks for the link! Will check that out!
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gRegorLove Indieauth does support email authentication (via Mozilla Persona), SMS, and PGP.
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gRegorLove First two require your email or phone number being in your HTML, of course.
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Schnitz Woah
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Schnitz Still having troubles signing in
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Schnitz with Mozilla Persona
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Schnitz Everything works but then it says:
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Schnitz Auth failed: logged in as a different user
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Schnitz This is weird, which different user?
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Schnitz This happens after successfully authorizing myself at Mozilla Persona
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Schnitz Hmm really not getting it how to add my Picture for this IRC
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tantek Hey Schnitz I don't see any rel=me links to email addresses on belp.audio
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Schnitz Hey Tantek
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Schnitz hey I took that one out, it was there before, no I use SMS
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Schnitz and that worked
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tantek whoa cool!
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Schnitz way cool
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Schnitz :-)
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tantek were you able to sign into indiewebcamp.com?
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Schnitz just don't get it how I'm supposed to get my image in here, is it supposed to 'pull' it off some silo?
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Schnitz YES
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tantek did you edit /irc-people ?
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Schnitz Thats the point! I couldn't!
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Schnitz OK don't wanna sound stupid
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tantek huh? once you sing-in you should be able to edit any wiki page!
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Schnitz kinda seems I'm either not persistently logged in ... or I'm missing something
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Schnitz Yeah right I know this is weird, agreed
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tantek do you see an "Edit" link at the top of https://indiewebcamp.comt/irc-people ?
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tantek oops
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tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people ?
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Schnitz NOPE
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Schnitz Could be that with SMS login, I'm logged into the IndieAuth site but NOT IndieWebCamp?
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Schnitz Cos it seems like I'm not logged in again, even though I did
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Schnitz OK I will log in via SMS again now
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tantek yes try it again starting at https://indiewebcamp.com/
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tantek in other news, I just got poster frame support (for my video posts) working locally
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Schnitz Ah now I see its not returning me
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tantek realizes he didn't even document this as an itch
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Schnitz congrats on the poster frame support
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tantek small steps
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Schnitz BTW in general I love what is written about tumblr
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Schnitz I had that feeling for a while
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tantek what in particular?
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Schnitz Tumblr can be a first class if limited IndieWeb platform if you tweak it
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Schnitz I will do that for a little while and then probably venture of into a completely indepedent website
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Schnitz Tantek: http://indiewebcamp.com/Tumblr ... gonna walk for this for start. Great job. Thanks to everyone for checking this out
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Schnitz So yeah still no login
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Schnitz I will try email again
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Schnitz Tantek / everyone: Does anyone know of a web standards max friendly Tumblr template I can grab off somewhere? Has this been already done? Simple + clean HTML plus microformats?
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tantek Schnitz: pretty sure it's on that very page you linked to ;)
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tantek ok, poster frame deployed and live
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Schnitz Shit, should have read first :-)
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Schnitz can I see the poster frame?
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Schnitz tantek.com :-) I guess...
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tantek I updated my one video post to also have a poster frame upon first load: http://tantek.com/2015/346/t3/world-of-laughter-tears-hopes-fears
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Schnitz seems to work perfectly over here...
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tantek great! should work cross browser too :)
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Schnitz I used Chrome / Win7 SP1 ... works
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tantek sweet
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tantek now to post a second video post
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Schnitz AAAAH now I'm logged in
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belp.audio edited /IRC_People (+48) "/* Nicknames */" (view diff)
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belp.audio edited /IRC_People (+53) "/* Nicknames */" (view diff)
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Schnitz Yup, no it works... even added a preliminary avatar image ... all good, I'm in
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Schnitz now
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snarfed.org edited /Bridgy () "(-1597) recent stats, now backfeeds link mentions" (view diff)
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Schnitz BTW, there really might be an issue with loggin in via SMS, but cannot fully conform. Email worked fine with me. With SMS is didn't return me to IndieWebCamp from IndieAuth and then I lost my login everytime
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Schnitz Dudes but this could at least be in XML syntax https://gist.github.com/tallus/43e09af02cbad58534a4
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Schnitz sorry :-)
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tantek wat
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tantek I don't know what that is
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tantek Schnitz: I think I added instructions for adding h-entry to any Tumblr theme
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Schnitz wait you don't what that is... Its linked from http://indiewebcamp.com/Tumblr as the Indie Web Version Theme for Tumblr
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tantek *the* ?
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tantek lol
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tantek more like *a*
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Schnitz sorry dude that what it says :-)
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tantek ok will fix
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Schnitz lemme check don't wanna wrong here
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Schnitz Nono its "a"
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Schnitz sorry
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Schnitz There is a indie web version theme already marked up that you can use.
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tantek there's three
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tantek http://tantek.com/2015/346/t3/world-of-laughter-tears-hopes-fears
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tantek oop
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tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/Tumblr#Example_Tumblrs_with_microformats
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Schnitz Yup
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tantek use your own theme and just https://indiewebcamp.com/Tumblr#Add_microformats_support
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Schnitz right ... I really like your theme grafically, BTW
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Schnitz Tantek, can I someone just use your theme?
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tantek sure!
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tantek it's pretty minimal / simple
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tantek nothing fancy
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Schnitz :-)
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tantek Anyone else here support poster frames on video posts?
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GWG What is a poster frame?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "poster frame" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10AP
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Schnitz is away
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gRegorLove GWG++ for tanteking tantek
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Loqi GWG has 133 karma
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tantek a poster frame is a static image taken from one frame of video to represent a video (like a /video post) visually in various contexts such as a thumbnail or before the video is played.
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loqi.me created /poster_frame (+209) "prompted by GWG https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-26/line/1451169605813 and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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tantek now to find another video to post
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GWG gRegorLove: Who was tanteking? I didn't know.
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KartikPrabhu Loqi messages?
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Loqi woot!
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Schnitz is BACK
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Schnitz hahaha...
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Loqi nice
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Schnitz Loqi: r u a bot?
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KartikPrabhu Loqi: are you a bot?
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KartikPrabhu interesting I was sure Loqi answered that
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aaronpk Loqi doesn't like answering direct questions
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Schnitz No we used to have Zakim and the phrase was
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Schnitz Loqi: How are you?
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Schnitz Hmmm
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Schnitz not implemented
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Schnitz I see
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aaronpk RIP Zakim
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Schnitz Oh well
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Schnitz aaronpk: Yeah man I loved Zakim
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Schnitz My Only Real Friend In Life, Zakim, the W3C IRC BOT
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Schnitz hahaha
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Schnitz just making fun
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Schnitz BTW
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Schnitz Is it ok to chitchat here?
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Schnitz I mean 'cos of the logs and such
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KartikPrabhu usually tantek kicks us off to #indiechat for that
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GWG We have a chit-chat room
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Schnitz Ah I see
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aaronpk we try to keep this channel mostly on-topic since people like catching up on the logs, so we have #indiechat which isn't publicly logged
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Schnitz good to know
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tantek now to POSSE video tweet manually
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