#indiewebcamp 2015-12-28

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aaronpk reposts:green, likes:yellow, bookmarks:blue
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[shaners] ooooh. in that sense. :shipit:
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aaronpk *whew* got all the "easy" ones done
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[shaners] what are the “hard” ones?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "“hard” ones" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10AU
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aaronpk trips (car, bike, walking, etc), food/drink, sleep
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[shaners] true
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aaronpk i have a pretty good start on trips though
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GWG aaronpk: I like your trip presentation.
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GWG Although mine is noted as 'travel'. Wonder if I should change my terminology. Trip is probably better.
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[tantek] Someone please add this to /why https://twitter.com/swiftonsecurity/status/681297239776444417
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@SwiftOnSecurity Protip: Buy your own email domain. Normal people legit think you're a god when you tell them your address is personal@yourname.com (twitter.com/_/status/681297239776444417)
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KartikPrabhu !tell [shaners] what about "Autonomous" as a name?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek KartikPrabhu: names are hard
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tantek I'm pretty impressed this community has come up with so many
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KartikPrabhu tantek: yes! so I am just brain dumping :) maybe something will stick like it has n the past
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tantek heck, aaronpk's whole p3k theme is amazing
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KartikPrabhu yeah. i have a whole math theme going on
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tantek that's a good theme
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KartikPrabhu currently staring at more flexbox to simplify my layout CSS
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@lightcoin @ElissaBeth you might be interested in trying the POSSE #indieweb method http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE it's what I do for long-form posts (twitter.com/_/status/681347275814223873)
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@lightcoin @ElissaBeth wanna start doing POSSE for microblogging too, would like to see some data on CTR compared to native engagement though #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/681347614265192448)
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tantek I can't tell if Ev actually belives this, or if he is trying to spur the open / indie web into action by indirect challenge: http://recode.net/2015/12/24/mediums-ev-williams-its-going-to-make-less-and-less-sense-to-publish-on-the-web/
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tantek from: https://twitter.com/lightcoin/status/681347614265192448
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@lightcoin @ElissaBeth wanna start doing POSSE for microblogging too, would like to see some data on CTR compared to native engagement though #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/681347614265192448)
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tantek I mean https://twitter.com/ElissaBeth/status/681342200601395200
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@ElissaBeth There's value in a free & open non-monoculture web. I'll publish to my own site more in 2016 http://recode.net/2015/12/24/mediums-ev-williams-its-going-to-make-less-and-less-sense-to-publish-on-the-web/ [photo] (twitter.com/_/status/681342200601395200)
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tantek top of that thread
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek, I don't ever check-in anywhere, but if i did, i'd do it indieweb-wise
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme: tantek left you a message 7 hours, 45 minutes ago: are you still owningyourcheckins? Last one I see on https://ben.thatmustbe.me/checkin is from 2015-01-10 (per https://ben.thatmustbe.me/note/2014/12/18/1/ ) http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-27/line/1451255003641
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: but you did as of that post!
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tantek e.g. https://ben.thatmustbe.me/checkin/2014/12/19/3/
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tantek and https://ben.thatmustbe.me/checkin/2015/1/10/1/ - though I suppose that's your latest one?
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ben_thatmustbeme yep, that is my lastest one
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ben_thatmustbeme okay, back to bed
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@kevinmarks Not just for email. Put your Web presence there too. Homebrew Website Club will help #indieweb https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/681297239776444417 (twitter.com/_/status/681362733976039425)
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@kevinmarks @tomcoates @adactio that is the important conversation though. http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths tries to document that aspect (twitter.com/_/status/681363593082740737)
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Loqi [bridgy] Tom Coates replied '@kevinmarks @adactio "The people who used the service, and invested their belief...' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (https://twitter.com/tomcoates/status/681367639327805440)
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Loqi [bridgy] Tom Coates replied '@kevinmarks @adactio I'm not convinced this is the core purpose of the 'our incr...' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (https://twitter.com/tomcoates/status/681367396204978176)
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Loqi [bridgy] Tom Coates replied '@kevinmarks @adactio Is another thing entirely, and I totally agree with that.' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (https://twitter.com/tomcoates/status/681364193203716097)
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Loqi [bridgy] Tom Coates replied '@kevinmarks @adactio … the likelihood that post-acquisition there's a good chanc...' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (https://twitter.com/tomcoates/status/681365478892150784)
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Loqi [bridgy] Tom Coates replied '@kevinmarks @adactio That a user should be able to get their data out of the ser...' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (https://twitter.com/tomcoates/status/681364149188730880)
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Loqi [bridgy] Tom Coates replied '@kevinmarks @adactio That seems to be confusing things - that's about site death...' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (https://twitter.com/tomcoates/status/681363939578400768)
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Loqi [bridgy] Tom Coates replied '@kevinmarks @adactio They can, and while I'd like them to, I don't know that I f...' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (https://twitter.com/tomcoates/status/681366200341798912)
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Loqi [bridgy] Kevin Marks replied '@tomcoates @adactio for sites with private utility, that is much harder and need...' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/681366021165297664)
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Loqi [bridgy] Kevin Marks replied '@tomcoates @adactio which is why applying a bit of social pressure by pointing t...' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/681366509579452416)
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Loqi [bridgy] Tom Coates replied '@kevinmarks @adactio Specifically with regard to the rhetoric around how happy t...' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (https://twitter.com/tomcoates/status/681365374919520256)
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Loqi [bridgy] Kevin Marks replied '@tomcoates @adactio or forced to migrate into the acquirer's stack, losing momen...' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/681368071844442113)
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Loqi [bridgy] Tom Coates replied '@kevinmarks @adactio But companies aren't fundamentally there to pay for service...' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (https://twitter.com/tomcoates/status/681366044892499968)
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Loqi [bridgy] Tom Coates replied '@kevinmarks @adactio Where I think we disagree is on how important the wording o...' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (https://twitter.com/tomcoates/status/681365263992762368)
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Loqi [bridgy] Tom Coates replied '@kevinmarks @adactio The larger conversation here actually seems to be about wid...' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (https://twitter.com/tomcoates/status/681364404273680384)
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Loqi [bridgy] Tom Coates replied '@kevinmarks @adactio I personally don't see any way around the idea that sites w...' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (https://twitter.com/tomcoates/status/681364011896602627)
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Loqi [bridgy] Tom Coates replied '@kevinmarks @adactio I've seen acquired companies lied to during acquisitions - ...' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (https://twitter.com/tomcoates/status/681366437777256449)
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Loqi [bridgy] Tom Coates replied '@kevinmarks @adactio I believe that both Jeremy and I think sites will go out of...' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (https://twitter.com/tomcoates/status/681364848060411904)
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Loqi [bridgy] Kevin Marks replied '@tomcoates @adactio for public hosting style sites, going static is a good optio...' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/681365554452533252)
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Loqi [bridgy] Tom Coates replied '@kevinmarks @adactio But I think I disagree on them having an obligation to do s...' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (https://twitter.com/tomcoates/status/681365931721801728)
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Loqi [bridgy] Tom Coates replied '@kevinmarks @adactio I think it's reasonable to put pressure on the acquiring co...' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (https://twitter.com/tomcoates/status/681365817557045248)
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Loqi [bridgy] Tom Coates replied '@kevinmarks @adactio … and then forced to shut down the acquired property immedi...' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (https://twitter.com/tomcoates/status/681366508992253952)
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Loqi [bridgy] Tom Coates replied '@kevinmarks @adactio "or logging data are left to find new virtual homes while t...' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (https://twitter.com/tomcoates/status/681367744604839936)
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Loqi [bridgy] Tom Coates replied '@kevinmarks @adactio And frankly, whatever happens, we're putting the attention ...' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (https://twitter.com/tomcoates/status/681366341526241280)
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tantek I really don't understand why or who @tomcoates is apologizing for.
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tantek KevinMarks: can you summarize tomcoates's point?
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[kevinmarks] He thinks "our wonderful journey" should focus on the acquirer, not the company acquired, as he empathises with startup founders and thinks Phil is being hard on them
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petermolnar_ !tell tantek I'm catching up and reading that article from Ev. I sadly believe he's somewhat right, especially in terms of generic public. For the many, those platforms are enough to post their words, and from the user perspective, their recommendation system (coming from the disgusting way of intrusive data collection, but most don't care) , the way they could be searched (hashtags, graph-based ordering, etc.) for "what interests me"
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petermolnar_ is way, way ahead of what the open web offers. To counter that, we'd need a wildly popular silo that is just and only a personalized recommendation system and nothing more, pointing to the articles on the web.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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petermolnar reading back that twitter conversation between @kevinmarks, @adactio and @tomcoates (https://twitter.com/tomcoates/status/681366341526241280), lol. Ignore users even deeper by changing the perspective to the acquirer, great idea. welcome back, medieval feudalism :)
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@tomcoates @kevinmarks @adactio And frankly, whatever happens, we're putting the attention on the large co not the acquired company (twitter.com/_/status/681366341526241280)
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@jgmac1106 @aaronpk Wow looks cool. Some how I have screwed up indieauth and my rel=me links can't get any site recognized (twitter.com/_/status/681452426336071680)
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loqi.me created /sameroom.io (+180) "prompted by petermolnar and dfn added by petermolnar" (view diff)
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@skarjune RT @rida_shah: RT tedcurran: The #openweb is better than your silo, Ev http://scripting.com/liveblog/users/davewiner/2015/12/24/0703.html #WordPress #blogging #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/681506133505343488)
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@rida_shah RT rida_shah: RT tedcurran: The #openweb is better than your silo, Ev http://scripting.com/liveblog/users/davewiner/2015/12/24/0703.html #WordPress #blogging #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/681506592861339648)
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@ChrisAldrich RT @kevinmarks: Not just for email. Put your Web presence there too. Homebrew Website Club will help #indieweb https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/681297239776444417 (twitter.com/_/status/681510716847730688)
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tantek.com edited /2016/NYC (+383) "venue to summary, planning see planning, previously" (view diff)
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tantek !tell GWG,ben_thatmustbeme,KartikPrabhu,bear looks like 2016-01-22..23 (F&Sa) is our best bet for IWC NYC 2016, can you make it? (at least remotely?)
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Loqi tantek: petermolnar_ left you a message 6 hours, 2 minutes ago: I'm catching up and reading that article from Ev. I sadly believe he's somewhat right, especially in terms of generic public. For the many, those platforms are enough to post their words, and from the user perspective, their recommendation system (coming from the disgusting way of intrusive data collection, but most don't care) , the way they could be searched (hashtags, graph-based ordering, etc.) for "what interests me" http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-28/line/1451301735875
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek and anyone else East Coast or wanting to visit NYC then too
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tantek petermolnar: I never believe that argument because that's the same argument made for nearly every mass-media silo that is now dead per /silo-deaths
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tantek petermolnar: the recommendation system is interesting - could you capture a summary of what you think it does (even guessing/roughly), and why it is compelling from a user perspective?
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tantek perhaps on /Medium#Recommendation_System (i.e. make a new section if necessary)
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[snarfed] petermolnar tantek sounds like stumbleupon, etc
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petermolnar tantek my message was cut a bit
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petermolnar http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-28/line/1451301735875
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tantek petermolnar: I think that's by design ;)
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petermolnar indeed, but you might have missed the end :)
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tantek the "wildly popular silo" assumption is also one I disagree with, as every wildly popular silo was once a single account.
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tantek anyway if you see value in Medium's 'recommendation system' - please document it, because from my minimal usage of Medium it didn't seem noticeably useful
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tantek Happy birthday aaronpk!
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tantek (aside: old USB cables are worth keeping especially if you can remember/label the vintage(year) and origin - I can explain more in person)
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petermolnar I never meant Medium exclusively
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GWG Good afternoon
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Loqi GWG: tantek left you a message 27 minutes ago: looks like 2016-01-22..23 (F&Sa) is our best bet for IWC NYC 2016, can you make it? (at least remotely?) http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-28/line/1451323476367
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GWG I think I can.
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tantek petermolnar, in that case, perhaps you could explain what you mean by recommendation system
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tantek what is a recommendation system?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "recommendation system" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10AX
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GWG I want to know about the USB cable thing
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aaronpk thanks tantek!
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petermolnar I'm not going to define it, because in this case, I have an opinion without proof, but what I mean under recommendation system is a one-to-many (user to interest) aggregator, based on variables the user provide or available from graph data of user connections
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[kevinmarks] Do USB cables have a terroir?
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tantek what is a terroir?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "terroir" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10AY
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GWG aaronpk, is it your birthday?
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aaronpk it is!
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GWG Then I will express thanks for another year of aaronpk.
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GWG Thank you for being the best aaronpk you could be.
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aaronpk why thank you!
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GWG I try to be unique in my birthday wishes.
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GWG You are welcome
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bear gwg++ for an impressive birthday wishing
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Loqi bear: tantek left you a message 37 minutes ago: looks like 2016-01-22..23 (F&Sa) is our best bet for IWC NYC 2016, can you make it? (at least remotely?) http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-28/line/1451323476367
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Loqi gwg has 134 karma
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GWG Bear, wait for your birthday. I will prepare something
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bear :) - you have 11 months to prep
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GWG This is why I need to write these down.
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tantek what is a birthday?
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Loqi A birthday is the date when someone is born, however in the context of the indieweb, it is a feature displayed on some silos' user profiles that you can (or must) enter, and some prominently present to your friends on the month and day of your birthday, like Facebook's "BIRTHDAYS THIS WEEK" feature at the top of their events page https://indiewebcamp.com/birthday
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tantek aaronpk: do you have a venue for HWC PDX this week? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-12-30-homebrew-website-club#Where
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tantek !tell Jeena,adactio is there a HWC in your fair city this week? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-12-30-homebrew-website-club#Where
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG What is the Indieweb manner of knowing when bear's birthday is?
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bear hmm, 22nd of Jan - I will find out about being present in person, but for sure will attend remotely
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tantek bear, great to hear that 22-23 Jan is a possibility for you for IWC NYC. If it helps, feel free to offer preferences for other dates on the /Planning page!
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@jgmac1106 Hey #indieweb folks good summary from #32c3 conference: http://ccc.cryptoacademy.org/view/welcome-visitors/view/daily-hangouts/view/index-of-talks/view/internet-landscapes (twitter.com/_/status/681541210377433088)
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bear I just love it when I see people using ward's wiki
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tantek W3C is looking at updating its mailing list archives https://github.com/w3c/mailing-list-archives - perhaps this is a good opportunity to help W3C's email archives become more indieweb friendly? you know, for better reply contexts etc.
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aaronpk interesting
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snarfed maybe we could get them to sponsor someone to do https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/257
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tantek at a minimum I'm thinking simply h-entry + h-card markup for each individual message, maybe an h-feed for the top level date-index of recent messages
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tantek keeping it super minimally impactful, i.e. only mf2 that is directly useful to a specific use-case (e.g. reply-context when replying to w3c email lists using your own website)
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bear.im edited /Planning (+148) "add date preferences" (view diff)
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tantek thanks bear. unless there's significant contra-input, it looks like 2016-01-22..23 is the clear leader for IWC NYC 2016!
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bear goes back to wrangling AWS IAM policy roles
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tantek aaronpk, got any plans for the weekend of 2016-01-22..23? :D
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@enquos @mcuban thinks everyone should #track their own health. @enquos Premium tracks 20+ areas of #health. #OwnYourData https://www.yahoo.com/health/mark-cuban-believes-everyone-should-track-their-115303830862.html?nf=1 (twitter.com/_/status/681550654708563968)
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@jgmac1106 @timmmmyboy @WardCunningham @fortyfoxes @holden Thank you all. Looking forward to playing #fedwiki has so much potential for #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/681553265687949312)
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aaronpk heh. no plans yet.
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aaronpk hmm flights are only $250
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tantek right
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tantek stay sunday for a day exploring Manhattan
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KartikPrabhu Loqi messages?
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Loqi KartikPrabhu: tantek left you a message 5 hours, 48 minutes ago: looks like 2016-01-22..23 (F&Sa) is our best bet for IWC NYC 2016, can you make it? (at least remotely?) http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-28/line/1451323476367
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@jgmac1106 Talking #fedwiki to think about #digped and #indieweb unity http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2015/talking-fedwiki-to-think-about-digped-and-indieweb-unity (twitter.com/_/status/681621904306892800)
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