#indiewebcamp 2015-12-29

2015-12-29 UTC
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KartikPrabhu
what is multi-photo?
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Loqi
A multi-photo is like a photo post, except just with multiple adjacent photos, either in a series, or tiled / arranged in some layout https://indiewebcamp.com/multi-photo
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kartikprabhu.com
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acegiak
What if you purchased domain names as bolt ons from your ISP?
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acegiak
Still doesn't help people who connect from libraries but it would massively simplify the process of getting set up for the average user
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Schnitz
is back
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ad
Hello everyone
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Schnitz
ad: hi
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ad
I got one simple question Schnitz if you can help me please.
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Schnitz
ad: sure, I'll try
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ad
Great
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ad
I am new to IndieWeb and really liked the idea
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Schnitz
right, great
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ad
but got one question - what I learnt so far is we post on our own website and our posts get publish to other networks lets say Facebook and Twitter
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ad
Does that post also belong to Facebook and Twitter as well? or do they just serve as publishing platform
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Schnitz
ad: ah ok, what exactly do you mean with 'belong', in terms of hosting (physical location / storage) or copyright?
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ad
by belong I mean do they own it like anyother post made natively on their own platform - or will they treat post coming from IndieWeb any different?
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Schnitz
the first thing, it will be a post just like any other.
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Schnitz
You're in control of adding things to your posts you syndicate / distribute... you could add a text phrase 'original text: My Website' to pull me to your website. You can do so, but don't have to, up to u
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Schnitz
technically speaking the posts are copies, so the posts exists multiple times
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ad
ah - right - I understand
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Schnitz
on your own website and on the social media platforms you syndicated them too
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ad
I am a research student and looking into Decentralised Online Social Networks
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Schnitz
ad: interesting
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ad
where users and users should own their data - wish we could own our data via IndieWeb would be cool
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ad
and users only*
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Schnitz
ad: sure, thats the whole idea about IndieWeb... you should go check out the Website / Wiki IndieWebCamp... lots of great examples and things to learn there... I've your looking for just one good example, check out Tantek.com ... he posts everything on his own independent site (Tantek.com) and everything gets distributed nicely into all the other social media platforms. He owns his data. He...
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Schnitz
...only posts once to his website, and still gets connectivity with all the other platforms
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ad
That's great but we are leaving the privacy of our data in hands of those publishing netrowks like Facebook and other big cooperations in Social Networks
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ad
And we don't want to do that. May be we need another kind of social network like Diaspora* (a better Diaspora* may be)
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Schnitz
ad: ah ok you're coming from a privacy perspective, alright, gotcha
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Schnitz
ad: so you're looking into physically owning the data all along
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ad
Absolutely
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Schnitz
ad: well, you know, I'm not aware of everything, I do have full knowledge of all the recent developments, etc. So all say maybe superseded. But, generally if you want to achieve this then a new social media system has be integrated into the web itself so it becomes truly decentralized. Things like IndieAuth and Microformats are a good start, but we still have a long way to go. Indie Web is...
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Schnitz
...certainly pushing in this direction
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ad
Absolutely, I agree with you
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Schnitz
great :-)
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ad
but Thanks a lot Schnitz for all your help
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Schnitz
ad: no prob, anytime
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ad
Have a great day, evening or night depending on your time zone :)
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Schnitz
ad: thanks you too... be sure to join the Indie Web movement, add a User Profile etc., if you can. Would be great to have you on board: https://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started
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ad
Definitely, see you soon
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Schnitz
alright, great, bye for now :-)
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ad
Bye
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Schnitz
is https://shrewdness.waterpigs.co.uk/test/ currently not working or just not with my site belp.audio?
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Schnitz
Shrewdness Feed Tester really seems not working, would be good to have another one available on the Wiki
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snarfed
(shrewdness author barnabywalters hasn't been active here for a while)
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Schnitz
snarfed: thanks so much. Then we should update the Wiki, no?
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snarfed
sure, go for it!
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Schnitz
My ego is too low for that today
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snarfed
aww never! this is a simple easy one. go for it!
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Schnitz
Not so sure this is such an easy one, Shrewdness was meant to be a prototype for validating tool, the notion might be lost when switching to the other two links provided by snarfed. I don't feel qualified (yet) to make that change. Still its an issue that the Wiki is pointing to something that isn't working
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[snarfed]
you can start by just noting that shrewdness is broken
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Schnitz
Logi: !tell Tantek Hey tantek I think https://shrewdness.waterpigs.co.uk/test/ isn't working and its linked from here https://indiewebcamp.com/feed#How_To_Test ... I would do the change in the Wiki myself but I feel uneasy where to point to elsewhere, snarfed recommended: http://reader.kylewm.com/ or http://monocle.p3k.io/
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Schnitz
ups typo
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[snarfed]
http://indiewebify.me/ is another alternative
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Schnitz
Loqi: !tell Tantek Hey tantek I think https://shrewdness.waterpigs.co.uk/test/ isn't working and its linked from here https://indiewebcamp.com/feed#How_To_Test ... I would do the change in the Wiki myself but I feel uneasy where to point to elsewhere, snarfed recommended: http://reader.kylewm.com/ or http://monocle.p3k.io/ or http://indiewebify.me/
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Schnitz
feels kinda stupid now...
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aaronpk
it's just "!tell tantek", no need to prefix with "Loqi:"
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Schnitz
geesus
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Schnitz
!tell Tantek Hey tantek I think https://shrewdness.waterpigs.co.uk/test/ isn't working and its linked from here https://indiewebcamp.com/feed#How_To_Test ... I would do the change in the Wiki myself but I feel uneasy where to point to elsewhere, snarfed recommended: http://reader.kylewm.com/ or http://monocle.p3k.io/ or http://indiewebify.me/
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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aaronpk
monocle doesn't have a feed validator though, I wouldn't recommend that one
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Schnitz
aaronpk: but now that you're here this issue is just as well reported to you, anyways...
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aaronpk
are you trying to check h-entry markup or...?
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Schnitz
aaronpk: yeS!
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aaronpk
oh my... indiewebify.me is having issues too
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aaronpk
i coulda sworn that was working earlier
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aaronparecki.com
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aaronpk
I think it broke once my "free trial" of google appengine ended
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aaronpk
ah here's the error from appengine "The Socket API will be enabled for this application once billing has been enabled in the admin console."
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Schnitz
aaronpk: Is that concering IndieWebify.me?
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Schnitz
Ah ok now I understand
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aaronpk
hm, it is not obvious how to enable billing
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Schnitz
aaronpk: interesting problem. Right I was wondering how to move forward then
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[snarfed]
aaronpk: lol iirc you went through this exact same path a month or two ago :P
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aaronpk
wow i'm so confused. it says i cancelled my account on Dec 22nd
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aaronpk
i think that's when the free trial ended
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[snarfed]
(sockets, trying to enable billing, etc)
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[snarfed]
hmm no there's no time-limited free trial
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[snarfed]
it's a permanent free quota
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aaronpk
there's a 60-day free trial, and they credit the account with $300 during that time
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[snarfed]
that's compute engine (ie vms) not app engine, last i checked
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aaronpk
:shrug:
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aaronpk
i'm completely lost in this thing
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aaronpk
there's about $1/mo of charges on my account (which have been credited because of the free trial)
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aaronpk
"app engine frontend instances"
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[snarfed]
you were trying to enable billing in https://console.developers.google.com ?
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Schnitz
aaronpk: I'm with you... ok philosophically, is it useful to rely on a paid service whatsoever for IndieWebify.me?
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aaronpk
I think I haev to "upgrade" my account now
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aaronpk
Schnitz: there's no philosophical issue with using paid services. there's more of an issue using services you *don't* pay for.
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[snarfed]
to billing, maybe
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[snarfed]
aaronpk++
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Loqi
aaronpk has 43 karma
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KartikPrabhu
Loqi messages?
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Loqi
who, me?
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aaronpk
okay let's see what happens. I have now upgraded the account
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Schnitz
aaronpk: alright, then I guess its ok for you to upgrade that account
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[snarfed]
upgraded by entering a cc?
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[snarfed]
fingers crossed
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Schnitz
crossed 2
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aaronpk
i had already added a credit card, which is why i'm so confused
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[snarfed]
one source of confusion is that developer projects (eg indiewebify.me on app engine) and billing projects are decoupled
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[snarfed]
so you add your cc to a billing project, then need to make sure iw.me is attached to that billing project
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Schnitz
awesome, that I need to move on, thanks so much
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aaronpk
oh strange. yeah it did show that indiewebify is tied to that billing account
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[snarfed]
(you may also have created an unused compute engine project named iw.me or something similar, which could be confusing)
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[snarfed]
glad it's working!
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Schnitz
ok thats weird... I thought Tantek's custom Tumblr template is properly marked up with h-entry and I thought it was a good idea to make that the default template being recommended on the Wiki, since it just look a lot more compelling that the previous. Turns out that the h-entry support is very spotty in that template. So right now we're encouraging users on the wiki to adopt a tumblr...
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Schnitz
...template that is not currently set up in terms of h-entry. I feel responsible for this. I will try and investigate this further and come up with a suggestion
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Schnitz
OK not so sure the original one (tumblr template) had better h-entry support either (http://andthenitcametotheend.tumblr.com) according to IndieWebify.me. So better coming up with something completely new. I added some h-entry support for now on my template for belp.audio. Since tumblr is a bit messy in the structuring of the posts via types, not sure whether perfect h-entry integrations can...
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Schnitz
...be done. Will further look into it...
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Schnitz
Alright, got bridgy, disqus, webmentions installed on belp.audio
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KartikPrabhu
Schnitz: how are you combining disqus with webmentions?
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Schnitz
I have no clue whatsoever
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Schnitz
hahaha
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Loqi
rofl
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Schnitz
I followed exactly the steps on brid.gy when you go the 'I have tumblr' path
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snarfed
Schnitz++
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Loqi
Schnitz has 1 karma
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Schnitz
oh gosh
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Schnitz
Schnitz--
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Loqi
You can't karma yourself!
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Schnitz
Loqi: my ego remains too Low for this
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Loqi
dude
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Loqi
bridgy has 33 karma
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Schnitz
Ok guys that Karma thingy is kinda not my style and rather ... oh well :-)
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KartikPrabhu
Schnitz: you can take it as "the reward for good work is more work"
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Schnitz
KartikPrabhu: hmm... its fostering a darwinistic mindset. Not sure whether that complies with my Indie Principles in General
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KartikPrabhu
i dont think anyone takes it seriously, just a bit of fun ;)
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Schnitz
KartikPrabhu: yeah right I know ... nevermind, but still some people might take it at face value
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snarfed
arguably indiemark is the (somewhat) more serious thing with (maybe) the same problem
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Schnitz
KartikPrabhu: similer issue, this graphs here: https://indiewebcamp.com/generations ... I seriously believe 'Development Leaders' is wrong marketing, 'Developers
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Schnitz
' would be fine
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KartikPrabhu
snarfed: possibly. I take indiemark as more of "i can do these steps next"
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Schnitz
'Leaders' is really problematic, IMHO
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Schnitz
Hi Tantek BTW... :-)
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KartikPrabhu
Schnitz: yeah maybe. I really don't take such competition seriously so <shrug>
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tantek
Hey Schnitz, thanks for answering ad so well
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Loqi
tantek: Schnitz left you a message 1 hour, 52 minutes ago: Hey tantek I think https://shrewdness.waterpigs.co.uk/test/ isn't working and its linked from here https://indiewebcamp.com/feed#How_To_Test ... I would do the change in the Wiki myself but I feel uneasy where to point to elsewhere, snarfed recommended: http://reader.kylewm.com/ or http://monocle.p3k.io/ or http://indiewebify.me/ http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-29/line/1451405179280
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tantek
Schnitz, always ok to update the wiki, even with a minor parenthetical comment (like what snarfed suggested), or a question. Someone else will see it and build on your work!
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tantek
It's a good habit to get into :)
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Schnitz
tantek: no prob, anytime, thanks ... I see, alright, now I know :-)
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tantek
I mean, you can still do it :)
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Schnitz
tantek: yeah right, c'mon... you fix it for good... I guess IndieWebify.me is best option, isn't it?
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tantek
The more you know🌠
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tantek
yes! that's a good one to link to - go for it!
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Schnitz
I needed something to check my h-entries... Shrewdness was no help... OK then I'll do so
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KartikPrabhu
Schnitz: always feel free to document any critique/questions on the wiki, possibly in a new "discussion" section
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snarfed
btw Schnitz looks like your disqus is almost set up right, but not quite. maybe follow the disqus troubleshooting link on any of your posts.
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snarfed
(you got a few webmentions but bridgy couldn't get them into disqus because of that. :P https://brid.gy/tumblr/belp.audio#webmentions )
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Schnitz
snarfed: interesting!
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tantek
!tell barnabywalters Shrewdness tester appears to be down, I get "Failed to connect to localhost port 9200: Connection refused" when I try https://shrewdness.waterpigs.co.uk/test/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftantek.com
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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GWG
Has anyone heard from Barnaby lately?
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tantek
!seen barnabywalters
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tantek
^^^ aaronpk, Loqi feature request?
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Schnitz
snarfed: thanks for pointhing this out about disqus, just currently puzzled what exactly is not working...
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snarfed
Schnitz: you followed the troubleshooting link?
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Schnitz
Not yet
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Schnitz
Where is it?
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Schnitz
no seriously, kinda lost
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tantek
what is Disqus?
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Loqi
Disqus is a comments hosting silo https://indiewebcamp.com/Disqus
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snarfed
it's in the disqus section on any of your posts, just wait for it to try to load and fail
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tantek
snarfed, perhaps add a "Troubleshooting" stub section with that to /Disqus?
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snarfed
tantek: maybe. it's extremely self explanatory, basically says "click this link for troubleshooting." not sure what i'd say beyond that.
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tantek
snarfed, well if your advice helped Schnitz then it's likely worth capturing (and perhaps not that discoverable)
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GWG
Does 2016-01-01 commitment mean I commit by 2015-12-31:2359 or on 1-01
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Schnitz
tantek / snarfed: the only issue I had is were to look, is was looking in my disqus account setting, not on my blog posts / comments section, that was it
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tantek
GWG, if the extra minute helps - take it!
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GWG
I was referring to an extra day, not minute
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tantek
take that too if you like!
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tantek
I think the idea is that you're using it on your own site live sometime on the 1st
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GWG
Okay, because Friday is my day off. Easier to deploy then.
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tantek
for precedence for example, It took me until 23:01 on the 1st to post my first note: http://tantek.com/2010/001/t1/declaring-independence-building-it
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Schnitz
... however, disqus troubleshooting seems to fail to load ;-)
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GWG
Okay, I feel that I am not betraying the spirit of the idea then
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snarfed
Schnitz: looks fine to me. http://docs.disqus.com/help/83
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snarfed
Schnitz: looks like you're using 'belporama' as your shortname. did you register that at http://disqus.com/register ?
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tantek
GWG, not at all! Feel free to add that as an FAQ to /2016-01-01-commitments :)
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aaronpk
totally did not expect to do this just now, but I have a physical button on my desk I can press which will "like" whatever song is playing on my stereo
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GWG
Aaronpk, Dash?
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aaronpk
right now it "likes" it on last.fm, I think I'm going to make it post a like of the last.fm URL to my site
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aaronpk
tried with Dash but the presses weren't being detected reliably enough
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Schnitz
snarfed: yes
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tantek
is the button shaped like a giant thumbs-up?
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aaronpk
i really want to make a 3-d printed thumbs up case for it
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aaronpk
or maybe a heart
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GWG
So what is the tech?
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KartikPrabhu
depending on how you place it a "thumbs up" can be a "thumbs down"
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aaronpk
the hardware is the Electric Imp
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snarfed
i guess just go through the rest of that troubleshooting page then
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Schnitz
snarfed: Ok fixed it
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tantek
aaronpk - pretty sure you can get the youtube video (if any) for the song from the last.fm API (if not from the HTML of the URL you "liked" "data-youtube-url" ahem ;) )
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tantek
if for example you wanted to embed the video right there on your "like" so the music was playable on your site, instead of having to click through to last.fm
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aaronpk
I don't really want to mix video and music like that
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aaronpk
if I like a song that's playing, I don't really want to post a like of the video since I don't necessarily know what the video is
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aaronpk
I'll enhance the presentation of those likes later. I can add a thing that recognizes the last.fm URL and embed a player or something
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tantek
I wonder if there is some way to embed a youtube video iframe to not show the video but still play the audio
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tantek
I'm not saying to change the URL being liked
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Schnitz
snarfed: ok stupid question, presumably everything works now, where should I 'see' those webmentions you sent me: https://brid.gy/tumblr/belp.audio#webmentions ?
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tantek
just adding the youtube as "embed a player" as you say
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aaronpk
i will leave that as a project for another day
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aaronpk
time to get back to working on "trips"
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snarfed
Schnitz: they show up as disqus comments
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snarfed
except they haven't suceeded yet. see the yellow exclamation points there :P
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Schnitz
snarfed: right... and they don't for me. Maybe those two initial webmention got lost 'cos I did have ID issues with disqus ... could you send me a fresh webmention now pls?
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snarfed
same "belporama forum not found" error as before. you can click the "X ago" links to see the logs
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Schnitz
snarfed: why is brid.gy looking for belporama, where can I 'tell' brid.gy to look for a different 'forum' at disqus?
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Schnitz
disqus sucks... It should just implement IndieAuth and then this woudln't happen
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snarfed
Schnitz: it gets that frmo your html
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snarfed
it's in the disqus html etc that you added to your template
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snarfed
ah, looks like yo've changed it now
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snarfed
i'll retry
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snarfed
Schnitz: try signing up for bridgy (tumblr) again and it should find your new shortname
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Schnitz
snarfed: Thats a good idea. Will do
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Schnitz
snarfed: tried sending me a webmention now?
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Schnitz
alright checked everything again now, may have had a case sensitivity issue, if that matters. Otherwise I should be fine. Can't see why this wouldn't work now. Please send me webmentions anyone to belp.audio (my layout isn't perfect yet, I apologize)
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gRegorLove
Good afternoon, #indiewebcamp
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snarfed
Schnitz: looks like it's working, congrats! https://brid.gy/tumblr/belp.audio#webmentions
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Schnitz
is back
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Schnitz
snarfed: YAYY!!!
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Schnitz
snarfed: small question / issue, why does the div e-content show up? Is that a limitation of disqus, bridgy or myself? http://belp.audio/post/136008775512/so-that-was-big-fun-and-great-success-for-the
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[snarfed]
yup, good question, not sure. I'll look
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Schnitz
[snarfed] thanks!
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Schnitz
[snarfed] I've just replied to one of your comments via Disqus / Bridgy... did that show up with you somewhere?
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snarfed
Schnitz: you commented in disqus? no, bridgy doesn't read from disqus.
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Schnitz
snarfed: well I just hit the reply button in my disqus comments view on my tumblr blog post
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Schnitz
snarfed: I understand
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Schnitz
snarfed: anyways, this is f*cking cool... thanks for that great work on bridgy
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snarfed
you're welcome!
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Schnitz
dinnertime ... cu later
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Schnitz
hmmm I'm wondering about the refresh rate of bridgy, like my most recent posts don't show up (yet): https://brid.gy/tumblr/belp.audio
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snarfed1
for tumblr, it uses https://superfeedr.com/ , which varies. looks like it's every 3h or so for your tumblr
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snarfed
if you want faster, you can ask tumblr to support pubsubhubbub, but that's a big ask :P
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Schnitz
snarfed: thanks, thats OK, just good to know. I'm still in the mode of checking so I just to make sure I didn't do something wrong. I'll wait then, thanks for letting me know :-)
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kylewm.com
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snarfed
kylewm: goodreads, cool!
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snarfed
does the id in the review url need to be scoped somehow? ie on https://kylewm.com/2015/12/2-of-5-stars-to-the-night-circus-by-erin-morgenstern
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kylewm
silopub posted to goodreads which auto-posted to twitter which pesosed to my site via ownyourresponses
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kylewm
I didn't expect that!
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snarfed
hah funny
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kylewm
snarfed: I don't understand your question about scoping
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snarfed
kylewm: i was asking about the bad review link in https://kylewm.com/2015/12/2-of-5-stars-to-the-night-circus-by-erin-morgenstern ...but makes sense now that i know it's twitter pesos
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kylewm
ohh yes, that backfeed thing is broken
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snarfed
yeah, so maybe just a bug report to use full urls from tags instead of linkifying text urls that may be truncated
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