#indiewebcamp 2016-01-01

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GWG Flipping back to Firefox. I seem to flip back and forth between browsers every few months.
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GWG tantek: What do I need to do for IWC NYC?
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Schnitz Hey its already 2016 over here :-) Happy New Year everyone!
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GWG Hi, Schnitz
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Schnitz Hi GWG
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GWG How's the site coming?
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Schnitz GWG: You mean, uhmm... my indieweb-friendly tumblr site I'm working on?
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GWG Yes
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Schnitz Thanks for asking, I'm personally extremely satisified with what I got to work in last week
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GWG I'm just updating my itch list.
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Schnitz cool
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GWG And listening to a song about the first transatlantic passenger, but that's a bit off topic
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Schnitz ... lets move to #indiechat, I'm happy to go on there :-)
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tantek Happy new year Schnitz!
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Schnitz Thanks tantek! :-))
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Schnitz So back to on topic, very happy with how belp.audio works with webmentions. I cleaned up the template just now and uploaded it GitHub. No perfect, but a start. I wrote little User Experience write-up on the Wiki where I collected my experiences with this, trying to address non-technical people coming for the first time from Tumblr: http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Belp.audio/MyTumblr
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tantek wow I'm seeing repeated failures attempting to post to IG
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tantek anyone else?
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tantek just "Failed" over and over
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Schnitz On a related side note, I'm a bit positively surprised how much traffic there is on indiewebcamp. I opened up this more personal page (see above link) and it has already accessed over 100 times since 24 hours. For a quite hidden page deep down this is nice. Hope its not all bots :-)
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[aaronpk] Ha! I never even noticed the page view counter on the wiki!
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Schnitz aaronpk: have fun, its quite impressive / uplifting
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@ToferC RT @benwerd: This, exactly. (Now ask us what we're building.) Why Facebook won: http://hapgood.us/2015/12/30/why-facebook-won-and-other-hard-truths/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/682753347028447232)
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GWG Hmm..I think I am.... http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/dshanske-as-you-update-post-kinds-particularly-read-type-you
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GWG kylewm: How are things going with Goodreads?
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@ChrisAldrich If you're going to have an awesome cat blog, make sure your cat owns its own data! #indieweb @indiewebcat https://indiewebcat.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/682762798573617153)
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@ChrisAldrich Running a catblog must be a great way to #dogfood your #indieweb development work. https://indiewebcat.com/ #irony #indieweb @indiewebcat (twitter.com/_/status/682764062527111168)
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Loqi [mention] http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/running-a-catblog-must-be-a-great-way-to-dogfood commented 'Running a catblog must be a great way to #dogfood your #indieweb development wor...' on a post http://indiewebcamp.com/dogfood
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Schnitz IndieWebCat... LOL!
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GWG Okay, now 2016 here in NYC
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falcon42 whats missing on my h-entry thats causing it not to have comment text? http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2015/12/29/2/barbot
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falcon42 http://www.tyler.cat/pages/barbot is source url
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falcon42 ah it probably wants an in-reply-to
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@kevinmarks “the ad market is going to implode anyway when the current bubble bursts.” @baconmeteor http://idlewords.com/talks/website_obesity.htm #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/682849333922811904)
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@sutorinfo @Toupietwopi Empfehlung als Ersatz: #OpenSource backitude Wahrt die Privatsphäre #OwnYourData (twitter.com/_/status/682852082932690944)
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@redlocal Toupietwopi Empfehlung als Ersatz: #OpenSource backitude Wahrt die Privatsphäre #OwnYourData https://twitter.com/sutorinfo/status/682852082932690944 (twitter.com/_/status/682852390350012416)
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@thomaspower RT @kevinmarks: “the ad market is going to implode anyway when the current bubble bursts.” @baconmeteor http://idlewords.com/talks/website_obesity.htm #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/682852744085008388)
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@alenevince RT kevinmarks: “the ad market is going to implode anyway when the current bubble bursts.” baconmeteor http://idlewords.com/talks/website_obesity.htm #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/682858106326487041)
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Schnitz is back
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GWG Okay, 2 2016 commitments completed
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snarfed1 GWG++
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Loqi GWG has 137 karma
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GWG I'm catching up on my trip logs.
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tantek aaronpk, seems like you'd be interested in this "Pilgrim" tech from Foursquare, from a passive geolocation tracking perspective: http://www.businessinsider.com/inside-foursquares-pilgrim-technology-2015-12
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[kevinmarks] Rhiaro is your auth stuff why your feed is full of blank posts in woodwind?
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Loqi [kevinmarks]: tantek left you a message 1 day, 3 hours ago: could you add a link to your notes and add your photo from last night to the wiki page? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-12-30-homebrew-website-club#Notes http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-31/line/1451584023948
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rhiaro kevinmarks.. Ohh boy. No idea what is happening there.
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[kevinmarks] Hm, they're blank on your homepage too
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rhiaro Yeah
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rhiaro Something is triggering a new bit in my micropub endpoint
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rhiaro Presumably my new posting app
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rhiaro But it's not corresponding to me using it
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rhiaro I've clearly majorly screwed something up here
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rhiaro turns everything off
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tantek does anyone here post "played" posts, or perhaps "performed" for when they themselves play a musical instrument or do a musical performance?
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tantek in contrast to say a /listen post
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tantek thinking about this as I'm re-teaching myself piano this year and will likely be capturing when I feel confident playing various pieces again
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tantek perhaps even recording and posting
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aaronpk neat. I hadn't even thought about that
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tantek "play" could be so many things, like games etc.
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tantek though in music track terminology, "performer" is used, so perhaps "perform" is a reasonable shorthand name for this kind of post
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tantek I vaguely remember acegiak capturing / posting "play" of games posts
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[kevinmarks] That was why we picked it as a verb in activity streams originally
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aaronpk I would assume "perform" implies audience, so it would seem strange to use that when just noting playing things yourself
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tantek which "it" ?
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tantek aaronpk: what if the audience is as a result of the post?
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[kevinmarks] "play" as a verb
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aaronpk that is more like a recording then
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tantek aaronpk: in musical recordings there is (typically) no specific audience you are performing for
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davidmead happy new year all :-)
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aaronpk i guess i could see noting "practice" and "perform"
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rhiaro kevinmarks: lolll bug in my mp endpoint wasn't doing auth properly so I think crawlers must've been triggering blank posts all night \o/
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[kevinmarks] Music metadata in general is crap at this
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rhiaro marvels at her incompetence
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tantek kevinmarks, the term "performer" or "performed by" seems quite dominant
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tantek in CDs, LPs etc.
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rhiaro Well that could've been worse
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[kevinmarks] call it an art project
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tantek kevinmarks, you mean like performance art? ;)
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@WordPressTTT New #WPorgSupport > https://wordpress.org/support/topic/problem-with-latest-update-1#post-7836101 > davidmead on "[Plugin: Indieweb Post Kinds] Problem with latest update" (twitter.com/_/status/683032215706550272)
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tantek davidmead, GWG ^^^ ???
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[kevinmarks] With music data you tend to see a title/artist/album model applied in a Procrustean way
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tantek what is Procrustean?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Procrustean" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Ab
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[kevinmarks] Breaking out performer, composer, lyricist, remixer etc is rarer
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tantek (aside: whenever kevinmarks says procrustean I imagine someone who is vehemently for eating the crusts of toast and pizza slices)
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davidmead hmm. that’s odd tantek. i just posted that error on the Wordpress Plugin Forum. Didin’t expect to see it pop up here
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tantek forum -> twitter -> IRC :D
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petermolnar since when flickr photo search doesn't contain real links?! inline JS, 'onload' adding target url to the images, this is WRONG.
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tantek Resisting IRC discussion is futile, all discussions lead to IRC ;)
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aaronpk petermolnar: yeah :( I think with the last redesign
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tantek petermolnar: since last year's JS fashionism
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tantek also does anyone post MIDI?
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aaronpk I started to last year but never launched it
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[kevinmarks] “each service has their own database. if you can match 85% you're a magician”
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tantek e.g. with playback using http://www.w3.org/TR/webmidi/
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[kevinmarks] That is Ty, CTO of gracenote http://www.kevinmarks.com/sfmusictech2015-11.html
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[kevinmarks] Karaoke tracks as midi used to be popular
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tantek I need to figure out what the latest interface is between 1980s MIDI and 2010s USB
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tantek connecting devices across three decades seems pretty fun
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wolftune http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/dec/29/irans-blogfather-facebook-instagram-and-twitter-are-killing-the-web
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wolftune totally missing the context, but… tantek: I posted old music of mine under CC-BY-SA recently and included MIDI files as some source material…
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petermolnar wolftune see 3 days ago
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petermolnar (the guardian link)
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tantek wolftune awesome!
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[kevinmarks] Quicktime supported midi playback since the 90s, for .kar files etc
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wolftune I'm still way way behind on where I want to be for Indie Web… I want to get fully independent, I'm not, but I posted here for now: https://archive.org/details/Conspiracies-Racketeering-Aaron-Wolf
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petermolnar tantek I've checked midi a few years ago, when I dived a little into dj controllers; both arduino and raspberry pi has impressive libraries to handle and interface midi
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wolftune there was chat in LinuxMusicians forum about GPL for music ideas and what it means to provide source for art and music… complex topic, interesting though
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tantek wofltune - you're posting directly to archive.org?
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wolftune tantek: that's right. I still need to figure out getting my own server and moving my site off of Blogger :(
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tantek wolftune: have you considered starting with a withknown.com site?
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GWG Seems there is a problem
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tantek (pretty easy to transition to your own Known install AFAIK)
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wolftune tantek: that's a new one to me…
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tantek and pretty sure (not certain) it can import from Blogger
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davidmead GWG I can send you screenshots and the text if you want.
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tantek let's see how everyone's doing on https://indiewebcamp.com/2016-01-01-commitments
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wolftune what are the ramifications / downsides vs the full goal of my own server running my own site (acknowledging that isn't happening easily right away) ?
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tantek wolftune: AFAIK, not many if any
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GWG davidmead: I'm looking into it now.
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tantek easier to get started on withknown.com
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tantek and I believe they commit to redirecting to your own domain once you have one
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tantek to preserve links
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tantek pretty amazing actually
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wolftune yeah, I really am concerned about link preservation / redirects
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wolftune the thing is, I'd like to eventually have a totally distinct site that does all the various things I want differently and better than my blogger thing… is withknown a positive step toward that?
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davidmead tantek are those commitments to build something, or just implement POSSE, PESOS, etc., on your own sites & silos?
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wolftune I have my own domain and lots of existing links that are out there in the world…
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tantek davidmead: they are different for every person
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aaronpk I might need to "extend" my deadline to the end of the weekend :)
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tantek aaronpk do it! edit the wiki accordingly to note that - helps give others implicit permission to also do so!
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wolftune "Registration for free Known sites has been paused while we prepare for the next iteration of the Known platform" is an interesting message… maybe I should wait for a coming-soon iteration regardless of free vs pro?
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davidmead OK. I just implemented an IFTTT recipe for posting Swarm checkins to WP via Foursquare, and Foodspotting & Untappd checkins to WP by using RSS & a WP plugin
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tantek hmm - that is odd, I'm not sure why they paused registration
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tantek davidmead amazing!!!
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davidmead I can add those there
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tantek what is Swarm?
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Loqi Swarm is an app by Foursquare focused on checkins and showing nearby friends https://indiewebcamp.com/Swarm
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wolftune tantek: they say the "free" is paused but they still accept Pro for now
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tantek can you add a PESOS section there that describes how to do what you di with Swarm checkins to WP via Foursquare?
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tantek similarly
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tantek what is Foodspotting
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Foodspotting" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Ac
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tantek oh hey ^^^ davidmead perhaps start that page?
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tantek what is Untappd
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Loqi Untappd is a social silo for posting consumptions of beer (which they call "Check-ins" to beers) and optionally any or all of where (venue, thus making it an actual checkin), 1-5 star rating, photo, or review commentary https://indiewebcamp.com/Untappd
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tantek ^^^ and add a PESOS section there too!
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davidmead will do
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tantek gRegorlove++ for nice shiny new reply contexts, e.g. http://gregorlove.com/notes/
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Loqi gRegorlove has 45 karma
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aaronparecki.com edited /2016-01-01-commitments (+171) "/* Aaron Parecki */" (view diff)
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tantek !tell gRegorlove congrats on your nice new reply contexts! When did you ship that? Today? Or previously? Could you update https://indiewebcamp.com/2016-01-01-commitments#Gregor_Morrill with a date and citation/permalink example of when?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek.com edited /2016-01-01-commitments (+113) "/* Gregor Morrill */ DONE" (view diff)
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kylewm oh nice handling of private vs. public tweets in reply contexts, gregorlove. that is something i have not done well
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tantek kylewm: whoa I didn't even notice that - could you share a permalink to a reply to a private tweet
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aaronpk nice
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GWG davidmead: I have an alternate method for you
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aaronpk subtle
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tantek uh could someone share a URL to such a reply?
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aaronpk public: http://gregorlove.com/2015/12/and-thanks-for-all-the/ private: http://gregorlove.com/2015/12/girlvsplanet-thanks/
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tantek.com edited /2016-01-01-commitments (+287) "/* kylewm */ DONE (and demo'd at HWC)!" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk, thanks!
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tantek that's definitely worthy of capturing on /reply-context
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tantek I don't know if anyone has done that before explicitly
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[kevinmarks] http://www.jennstrends.com/my-experience-switching-to-a-self-hosted-blog/
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tantek well there it is https://indiewebcamp.com/reply-context-examples#gRegor_Morrill
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davidjohnmead.com created /Foodspotting (+448) "Created page with "Foodspotting is a social [[silo]] for posting consumption of food and drink (which they call "Spotting") and optionally any or all of where ([[venue]], thus making it an actual [..."" (view diff)
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[kevinmarks] Iirc Known suspended free registration because spammers automated it
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davidmead GWG great.
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GWG davidmead: Can you try a test for me?
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davidmead GWG sure
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GWG Try replacing this file in your plugin directory
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GWG https://raw.githubusercontent.com/dshanske/indieweb-post-kinds/master/indieweb-post-kinds.php
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GWG If that works, I may push it to the repository
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tantek.com edited /reply-context-examples (+162) "/* gRegor Morrill */ add links to replies to public vs private tweets" (view diff)
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GWG Hmm..I think Post Kinds needs an icon
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GWG What should an icon for a post kinds plugin look like?
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Loqi [indienews] New post: https://github.com/indieweb/date-formatter-php/releases/tag/0.2.0 (from http://aaronparecki.com/bookmarks/2016/01/01/1/indieweb) http://news.indiewebcamp.com/en/github.com/indieweb/date-formatter-php/releases/tag/0.2.0
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davidmead GWG that fixed it for me :-)
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davidmead GWG thanks
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GWG It will go in the next version. I'll give it time to see if anyone else has any bugs to report.
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davidmead cool
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GWG davidmead: Any other feedback?
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davidmead GWG i did have to keep removing “from Twitter” when it was a repsonse as it duplicated it
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davidmead GWG and the citation was pulled in an posted automatically which meant that was duplicating too.. I removed that
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davidmead haven’t tried with the new version yet
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GWG davidmead: I played with it. It should be more reliable in that regard, but have a look
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davidmead i will when i next reply to a Twitter post and let you know
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GWG davidmead: Anything you notice tell me. I want to keep making it better.
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davidmead will do GWG :-)
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tantek.com edited /2016-01-01-commitments (+56) "/* Gregor Morrill */ date done per reply-context-examples page info" (view diff)
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@bennettscience @krisshaffer it does look good. Webmentions are gone, tho. (twitter.com/_/status/683045147316252673)
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loqi.me created /SWAT0_demo_video (+136) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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kylewm GWG: I think I choose cliche icons, but maybe something like https://www.iconfinder.com/icons/709827/brochure_flyer_leaflet_map_pamphlet_unfolded_map_icon#size=128 or https://www.iconfinder.com/icons/511974/baby_bricks_developmenta_figures_geometric_shapes_toy_icon#size=128
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kylewm sort of denoting different kinds of things on a page?
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tantek.com edited /SWAT0_demo_video (+184) "fix dfn, see also" (view diff)
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GWG I feel a lack of inspiration on the problem
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[snarfed] aaronpk tantek that second reply contact isn't private, i see it on twitter
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tantek snarfed, are you logged in on twitter?
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[snarfed] er context
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[snarfed] sure
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kylewm huh, snarfed is right. this one is private though http://gregorlove.com/2015/12/skirts-thanks-its-funny-you/
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aaronpk it wasn't showing up for me
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aaronpk oh maybe I clicked the wrong one
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@t Great results @IndieWebCamp 2016-01-01 personal site ship commitments. All but 2 done already! https://indiewebcamp.com/2016-01-01-commitments (ttk.me t4f12) (twitter.com/_/status/683047031196139520)
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davidjohnmead.com edited /Foodspotting (+164) (view diff)
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kylewm aaronpk: maybe you're blocked :P
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[snarfed] aha yes
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Schnitz the soundcloud intergration with bridgy suddenly seems extremely useful again :-)
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tantek.com edited /2016-01-01-commitments (+176) "previously, posts about" (view diff)
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davidmead tantek: i created the foodspotting page. will add the PESOS stuff later tonight
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[snarfed] go for it Schnitz! we'll happily help you ramp up
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Schnitz [snafed] I have to honest, this will exceed my programming skills currently
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[snarfed] that's always a good way to learn
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@WordPressTTT New #WPorgSupport > https://wordpress.org/support/topic/problem-with-latest-update-1#post-7836193 > David Shanske on "[Plugin: Indieweb Post Kinds] Problem with latest update" (twitter.com/_/status/683051010097545220)
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belp.audio edited /SoundCloud (+602) "/* Criticism */" (view diff)
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[snarfed] Schnitz first step is just to file a feature request, along with the features it supports (and doesn't) and links to API docs
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Schnitz where exactly can I file this feature request?
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Schnitz See the above post I just made to already understand what I'm trying to get at
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[snarfed] "Bugs" link at bottom of https://brid.gy/
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Schnitz there you go tantek, soundcloud criticism, quick and dirty, a start: https://indiewebcamp.com/SoundCloud#Commentary_lock-in
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[snarfed] tag it with "new silo"
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Schnitz [snarfed] gotcha
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Schnitz done: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/587
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[snarfed] thanks!
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Schnitz snarfed++
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Loqi snarfed has 186 karma
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Schnitz you're most welcome
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Schnitz and I have to thank, really
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@t a video🏙🗼🚄🚀 Stay Tuned… We're Building Your Future. #indieweb #EPCOT #2015 #WDW #Mozlando Orlando, Florida… (http://tantek.com/2016/001/t3/stay-tuned-building-your-future-indieweb) (twitter.com/_/status/683053742556459008)
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belp.audio edited /User:Belp.audio (+140) "/* Indieweb & SoundCloud */" (view diff)
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falcon42 tantek: Are you in disney world right now? I'm leaving on the 4th to go there
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@t Stay Tuned… We're Building Your Future. #indieweb #EPCOT #2015 #WDW #Mozlando … (http://tantek.com/2016/001/t3/stay-tuned-building-your-future-indieweb) https://twitter.com/t/status/683055547650682880/video/1 (twitter.com/_/status/683055547650682880)
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falcon42 spaceship earth is one of my favourite rides
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falcon42 always gives me hope for humanity
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falcon42 I scared him away :(
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GWG falcon42: I'll be over there in the future as well.
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falcon42 GWG: Like... the near future?
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GWG Probably March
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GWG Trying to arrange something
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falcon42 nice
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falcon42 thats the new year in some cultures
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falcon42 like persia
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tantek my Colloquy froze after I posted that video. unrelated I'm sure ;)
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tantek falcon42 - awesome - that was my first time!
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falcon42 I'm an addict. I've been going every year for the last 5 years or so
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falcon42 and I live in portland
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tantek falcon42: wow! I definitely want to go back
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GWG What is a Colloquy?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Colloquy" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Ae
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falcon42 irc client for osx
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GWG Oh
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tantek falcon42: add yourself to the interested in IWC Florida if you like! http://indiewebcamp.com/Planning#Florida
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tantek interesting - @tomcoates is using Twitter's survey feature for explicit reacji! https://twitter.com/tomcoates/status/683055062873079808
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@tomcoates So Britain, what did you think of new Sherlock? (twitter.com/_/status/683055062873079808)
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tantek Though oddly enough I'm only seeing the survey in the Twitter iOS client - and not on e.g. Safari desktop browser!
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aaronpk I see it on desktop chrome
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aaronpk that's neat
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tantek what is reacji?
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Loqi reacji is an emoji reaction, the use of a single emoji character in response to a post, introduced as a feature by Slack[1] https://indiewebcamp.com/reacji
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falcon42 💩
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tantek lol
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Loqi [mention] http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/happy-new-year-to-you-re-your-blog-vs-g commented 'Happy New Year to you! RE: Your blog vs. G+, what if I told you that you mig...' on a post that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started_on_WordPress
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Loqi [mention] http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/happy-new-year-to-you-re-your-blog-vs-g commented 'Happy New Year to you! RE: Your blog vs. G+, what if I told you that you mig...' on a post that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/
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