#indiewebcamp 2016-01-02

2016-01-02 UTC
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Schnitz I have yet to understand why my simple webmentions do not show here
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Schnitz another one is on tis way
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Schnitz s/tis/its
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Loqi Schnitz meant to say: another one is on its way
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aaronpk it's a problem with the buffered/grouped notifications in webmention.io. I'm not sure what happened really.
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Schnitz ah ok
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Schnitz I would very much look forward to actively participate, I post links to IndieWebCamp often on my now webmention enabled tumblr blog. And it would be great if people could see it show it here. But don't feel bad in any way. I was just wondering when I can do anything, but its seems nothing on my side really
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aaronpk yeah sorry! I will fix it soon but not until I finish my site ;)
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aaronpk if you post things you really want to highlight you can always syndicate to http://news.indiewebcamp.com ! those still show up here
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Schnitz thanks, take you time, as I say, no urge! I'm already thrilled with everything thats working so far, thanks so much, this is all very awesome, never forget that :-)
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GWG So, now that I've added dt-start and dt-end properties to my post interface, what can I do with them?
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tantek Now that you've found start/end dates, what are you going to do with it? (with apologies to Heavy D)
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GWG Right now, I use them to calculate duration. But I know there is more
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GWG If I go back and iterate on location, location plus duration is event.
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GWG 2 locations plus duration is travel.
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tantek whoa! I just discovered Twitter redirects (clientside?!?) from https://twitter.com/#indiewebcamp to https://twitter.com/hashtag/indiewebcamp
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aaronpk nice
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tantek anyone here POSSE notes to Instagram by screenshotting them from your site and posting that to IG?
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davidjohnmead.com edited /Foodspotting (-14) "/* PESOS */" (view diff)
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tantek only example is Twitter tweet -> IG screenshot of tweet https://indiewebcamp.com/Instagram#Manual_Notes_POSSE
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tantek so let's add an indieweb example
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davidmead tantek, how do i upload a screenshot to the wiki?
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tantek "Upload" link in the footer!
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davidmead duh!
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davidmead thanks
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davidjohnmead.com uploaded /File:ss-foodspotting-link-davidmead.png "Screenshot showing link from blog post to original Foodspotting post, including a rel="me" attribute."
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Schnitz hmmm... I wonder why my post to news.indiewebcamp.com failed: https://brid.gy/tumblr/belp.audio
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aaronpk Schnitz: it should link to http://news.indiewebcamp.com/en without the "/submit" at the end
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davidjohnmead.com edited /Foodspotting (+51) "/* Example */" (view diff)
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Schnitz duh! thanks aaronpk :-)
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davidjohnmead.com edited /Foodspotting (+0) (view diff)
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Schnitz aaronpk the webmention is only fired once by bridgy right? when I change the webmention link the post it won't work when bridgy pulls this in again next time, I have to do a new post right?
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aaronpk hm I'm not sure!
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Schnitz yeah interesting huh?
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aaronpk it depends on whether bridgy checks for changes in the post. if it does, it should recognize there is a new outgoing link there
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Schnitz right
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aaronpk you can always send it manually with https://telegraph.p3k.io
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tantek.com edited /Instagram (+515) "/* Manual Notes POSSE */ subheads, tweet vs IndieWeb" (view diff)
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tantek ok now we have an indieweb example of manually POSSEing text to IG
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tantek similar effect is happening (in terms of likes) - more likes on the IG POSSE copy than on the tweet POSSE copy! (despite far more followers on Twitter than IG)
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Schnitz hmmm weird telegraph is not finding the webmention links I have in my blog post, I probably tagged up wrong
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[snarfed] Schmitz you can also send wms manually with http://mention-tech.appspot.com/ or curl
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aaronpk strange. Well it definitely assumes it will find an h-entry in the post
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aaronpk there's also a separate tab you can use to enter a source and target manually
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aaronpk the "fancy" feature of telegraph is that it looks for an h-entry and finds all URLs inside it and gives you buttons to send each
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Schnitz aaronpk: yes absolutely, but I'm puzzled, look at this post: http://belp.audio/post/136415196782/indieweb-soundcloud and if I check with webindiefyme everything seems ok: http://indiewebify.me/validate-h-entry/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbelp.audio%2Fpost%2F136415196782%2Findieweb-soundcloud
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davidjohnmead.com edited /Foodspotting (+16) (view diff)
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aaronpk Odd... Can you file an issue on telegraph with that link included?
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Schnitz whereas 'seems' is there is webmention new.indiewebcamp.com URL in the contents
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Schnitz wow
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Schnitz I'm filing a lot of issues today :-)
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Schnitz sure
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Schnitz where exactly can I file the issue with telegraph, GitHub?
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tantek what is telegraph?
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Loqi Telegraph is an open source API and service for sending webmentions, part of the p3k suite https://indiewebcamp.com/Telegraph
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Schnitz hmmm I have a manual webmention sent successfully via mention-tech.appspot.com: "webmention received successfully:
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Schnitz source: http://belp.audio/post/136415196782/indieweb-soundcloud
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Schnitz target: http://news.indiewebcamp.com/en" but it doesn't show up at http://news.indiewebcamp.com/en?
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davidjohnmead.com uploaded /File:ss-untappd-link-davidmead.png "Screenshot showing rel="me" link on David Mead's blog, back to original Untappd check in"
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tantek davidmead++ thanks for that!
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Loqi davidmead has 2 karma
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davidmead np tantek. feel free to edit. still not familiar with link my user page (which i may have to update) or writing in the 3rd person :-)
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tantek it's all about practice :)
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tantek what is Untappd?
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Loqi Untappd is a social silo for posting consumptions of beer (which they call "Check-ins" to beers) and optionally any or all of where (venue, thus making it an actual checkin), 1-5 star rating, photo, or review commentary https://indiewebcamp.com/Untappd
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tantek what is Foodspotting?
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Loqi https://indiewebcamp.com/Foodspotting
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tantek.com edited /Foodspotting (+93) "dfn tweaks" (view diff)
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tantek has anyone posted a "2015 in review" post about what they got done on their site? If so, add it to https://indiewebcamp.com/2015-review !
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GWG The year is still digesting, tantek
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tantek.com edited /2015-review (+43) "2015-created" (view diff)
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tantek 4 days until ask aaronpk if he could create /2015-created similar to /2014-created.
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Loqi I added a countdown scheduled for 1/5 5:58pm (#5784)
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davidjohnmead.com uploaded /File:ss-swarm-link-davidmead.png "Screenshot showing Swarm/Foursquare login as a post on David Mead's blog."
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@kartik_prabhu likes http://idlewords.com/talks/website_obesity.htm another great talk by @baconmeteor #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/683108722156015619)
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bear oh my - why have I never thought of POSSE'ing my untappd entries before now...
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bear (except maybe I don't want to show exactly how much beer I consume on a regular basis ;)
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@davidmead I'm starting 2016 out by documenting my #IndieWeb Commitments. In fact I've already finished a... http://davidjohnmead.com/blog/2016/01/01/indieweb-2016-commitment/ (twitter.com/_/status/683111672047771648)
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Schnitz Did another test, waiting for it to show up. I believe my h-entry might be bogus / confusion to some parsers: http://mention-tech.appspot.com/
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Schnitz but then again, why is indiewebifyme giving me green light? Isn't that supposed to be for testing, ie. strict enough that it should work on news.indiewebcamp.com? http://indiewebify.me/validate-h-entry/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbelp.audio%2Fpost%2F136428378537%2Ftest
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KartikPrabhu Schnitz: your h-entry looks fine to me
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Schnitz Kartik: thanks so much, I needed a second opinion, I was about to tear apart my template
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Schnitz Could be that news.indiewebcamp.com had a problem?
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Schnitz and also telegraph?
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Schnitz thats kinds unrealistic too
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Schnitz puzzled
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk should know more about those. I think they both use the ruby parser
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Schnitz ah ok
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KartikPrabhu the pyhton parser picks up your h-entry fine https://kylewm.com/services/mf2?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbelp.audio%2Fpost%2F136428378537%2Ftest
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Schnitz OH WOW
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Schnitz thanks for that!
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Schnitz KartikPrabhu++
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Loqi KartikPrabhu has 126 karma
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Schnitz That DOES actually look pretty good, TBH
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KartikPrabhu it might not be the easiest to parse the JSON tree but it gives you all the info
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Schnitz OK so changing something on my side seems premature, right now
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Schnitz do you know of another news service that works like news.indiewebcamp.com (displays / fetches the post and renders it on the web when you simply add the URL to it and send it over via webmention) that uses a different parser than ruby? :-)
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KartikPrabhu Schnitz: i wouldn't worry about every site gettting it right. Post away on your site :)
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KartikPrabhu Schnitz: no not really
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KartikPrabhu oh wait
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KartikPrabhu KevinMarks' story cards seems to be getting it fine: http://www.unmung.com/storycard?url=http://belp.audio
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Schnitz there we go
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KartikPrabhu note it uses p-summary and u-featured which you don't have uet
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Schnitz right
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Schnitz but thats fine
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KartikPrabhu yeah see my homepage: http://www.unmung.com/storycard?url=https%3A%2F%2Fkartikprabhu.com
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Schnitz I'm kinda satisfied with that then :-)
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Schnitz interesting thanks for showing me yours, kartik
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KartikPrabhu sure thing. I use p-summary for summaries of long posts/articles and u-featured for a featured image
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Schnitz hmmm
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Schnitz I could add u-featured very easily I guess
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Schnitz lemme do this know :-) I'm in coding mode, wait a sec
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Schnitz s/know/now
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Loqi Schnitz meant to say: lemme do this now :-) I'm in coding mode, wait a sec
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Schnitz tadaaaah: http://www.unmung.com/storycard?url=http://belp.audio
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Schnitz Kartik: nice one, thanks man!
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KartikPrabhu neat!
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Schnitz oh yeah now p-summary
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Schnitz there we go, not to bad, looking really nice over here now: http://www.unmung.com/storycard?url=http://belp.audio
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Schnitz Thanks again, KartikPrabhu
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KartikPrabhu Schnitz: it might be good to put the entire post into a summary
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Schnitz hmmm (thinking)
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Schnitz_ Kartik: Not sure eactly what you mean
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KartikPrabhu Schnitz: oh nevermind, i thought your indieweb/soundcloud post had all its contents in a summary but it doesn't.
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Schnitz_ No it doesn't
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Schnitz_ right and look
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Schnitz_ https://brid.gy/tumblr/belp.audio
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Schnitz_ no it got thru to news.indiewebcamp.com at it failed
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Schnitz s/at/and
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Schnitz so I'm happy chicken, I'll just pretend I'm have and both news.indiewebcamp.com and telegraph have issues :-)
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Schnitz s/have/fine
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Loqi Schnitz meant to say: so I'm happy chicken, I'll just pretend I'm fine and both news.indiewebcamp.com and telegraph fine issues :-)
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Schnitz Kartik: thanks for the help, you really made my day. Spent quite of time on my site and already declared victory and suddenly became unsure tonite, since I've already upload my Tumblr Template to GitHub :-)
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Schnitz but I should be fine
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KartikPrabhu yeah. if the problem is diagnosed you can always update your template so not to worry
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Schnitz right
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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Schnitz hey imokruok
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@elimisteve https://brid.gy/ looks extremely useful for @redecentralize'ing the internet! Yay @indiewebcamp! via @IndieHosters (twitter.com/_/status/683135822019690496)
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tantek thinking about text-first design for /read posts "started reading..."
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bear.im edited /text-first_design (+578) "another ascii pre-web formatting example" (view diff)
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DailyGkCapsuke Hi , http://www.dailygkcapsule.com
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@pierreozoux RT @elimisteve: https://brid.gy/ looks extremely useful for @redecentralize'ing the internet! Yay @indiewebcamp! via @IndieHosters (twitter.com/_/status/683251964369616896)
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@IndieHosters RT @elimisteve: https://brid.gy/ looks extremely useful for @redecentralize'ing the internet! Yay @indiewebcamp! via @IndieHosters (twitter.com/_/status/683251964285685760)
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@pypi_updates ronkyuu 0.3.2: Webmention Manager https://pypi.python.org/pypi/ronkyuu/0.3.2 (twitter.com/_/status/683256424340811777)
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@artwisanggeni #python ronkyuu 0.3.2: Webmention Manager https://pypi.python.org/pypi/ronkyuu/0.3.2 (twitter.com/_/status/683258028800385025)
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@jmsmcfrlnd Please do not mistake ind.ie for #indieweb - the latter is the real deal. The former, IMHO, is some kind of social/elitist arrogance. (twitter.com/_/status/683296295382069248)
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@s_b_sh @elimisteve @IndieHosters @redecentralize @indiewebcamp http://zeronet.io/ ? (twitter.com/_/status/683341043752939520)
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snarfed "Real-time updated, P2P websites using Bitcoin cryptography and the BitTorrent network" ahahahaha
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Loqi awesome
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snarfed wow, fun little bridgy display load test: http://www.leitmedium.de/2016/01/01/eine-kaiserin-zu-besuch/#comments
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snarfed ~350 likes, ~120 reposts
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Schnitz very awesome, all via bridgy?
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snarfed also has facepiles on wordpress, i wonder if he's using pfefferle's in progress code for that
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snarfed Schnitz: the likes and reposts yes. some comments and mentions may be native
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Schnitz fascinating. Very advances. way to go. This is what I want to achieve, too
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snarfed i vaguely remember benwerd saying he did an accidental load test on known that got ~5k responses backfed from bridgy to one post, that may still be the biggest single post
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snarfed over 1% of the total 300k that bridgy has ever sent! :P
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snarfed also made me reconsider https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/73#issuecomment-168412227
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Schnitz amazing
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Schnitz I posted the link to his blog myself right now, curious to see whether I show up as a mention therefore: http://belp.audio/post/136469657957/great-bridgy-example
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snarfed Schnitz: i expect you will
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Schnitz I /should/, yes
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Schnitz ;)
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Schnitz thanks for like pal :-)
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GWG Afternoon
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Schnitz HEy GWG
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@IndieHosters @s_b_sh @elimisteve @redecentralize @indiewebcamp From this article https://blog.indie.host/2015/the-new-blog (twitter.com/_/status/683380176625995776)
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GWG I feel like we need some spirited discussion
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petermolnar you want some ghosts? :) Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice!
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@s_b_sh @elimisteve @redecentralize @indiewebcamp @IndieHosters The Web Is Centralized (twitter.com/_/status/683380783017504768)
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@petermolnar @s_b_sh you need to tell us more, because as far as I know, the web is not centalized. cc #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/683382088003891205)
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GWG I'll wait for the sequel
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petermolnar (spirited -> ghosts, sorry, lame, and I'm getting tired)
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GWG petermolnar, I was looking at your hcard plugin idea on your user page
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petermolnar yeah, that's still just an idea
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GWG I had a similar idea, but using the user table instead of custom taxonomies.
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petermolnar i had to custom taxonomy idea because then it's easy to use it similar to the tags
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GWG Well, there is term meta now
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GWG That would actually be a great use of it
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GWG This just gave me an idea. Venue as a taxonomy now that it have meta
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GWG That's it, I'm going to try it.
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GWG I'll have to do a major rewrite of Simple Location
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davidmead hey GWG. got some feedback for the post-kind plugin
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GWG Share with me?
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davidmead could be my template but the formatting is breaking when displaying as a reply
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davidmead http://davidjohnmead.com/blog/2016/01/02/3400/
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davidmead also, when reply to a tweet it now pulls in the “title” which looks odd imho http://davidjohnmead.com/blog/2016/01/02/3396/
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GWG I forgot 4.4 embeds Wordpress sites
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GWG It isn't supposed to if the title = the summary.
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GWG That was how I tried to automatically address that
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GWG I'm on my phone, so can't see the source code of the first link right now
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GWG Maybe I need a different solution to that problem then
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GWG How is it working otherwise?
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GWG Improvement over the previous version?
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davidmead np GWG. Here’s screenshots as i used the plugin, an error I got when posting, and the final post. https://www.evernote.com/l/AAG8CERp4UlDXrmTKxYMWbyk7ZF0JaZH3PE
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davidmead GWG - I do like the way it’s handling the different kinds, and I’m no longer getting odd characters coming through in the citation anymore
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davidmead for me just the name, instead of name/title, would be better as the tweet/post is displayed below. Seems repetitive.
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GWG The screenshot isn't coming in from my phone. Will be home in twenty. Will have a look.
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GWG When there is no title, it is supposed to say 'a post' or a 'tweet'
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GWG The issue I was struggling with is how to determine a URL represents something like a tweet over an article and change the display
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KartikPrabhu what is post-type-discovery?
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Loqi Post Type Discovery specifies an algorithm for determining the type of a post by what properties it has and potentially what value(s) they have, which helps avoid the need for explicit post types that are being abandoned by modern post creation UIs https://indiewebcamp.com/post-type-discovery
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GWG KartikPrabhu, I studied that. But that covers post type, not whether the publication or the author is more important
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KartikPrabhu publication or author?
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GWG Publication being the site name in many cases
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GWG Am I responding to Bob or Example.com
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KartikPrabhu is there a way to markup sitename?
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davidmead GWG it’s tricky. the title of a tweet could be the whole content.
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KartikPrabhu davidmead: yes see /post-type-discovery
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GWG Davidmead, that is why I checked to see if they were equal
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GWG Or rather if the title is a substring of the summary
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KartikPrabhu you mean content?
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davidmead GWG does it matter which order i fill in the ‘post content’ and the ‘post kind’?
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davidmead does one informs the other?
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Schnitz It worked!!!
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Schnitz I mentioned http://www.leitmedium.de/2016/01/01/eine-kaiserin-zu-besuch/ just by including the URL in my post http://belp.audio/post/136469657957/great-bridgy-example and now I show up as a mention / pingback at the bottom of his page with my Tumblr Avator Logo and link to my post
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Schnitz webmention / bridgy at its best
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Schnitz thinks, Indieweb really is working
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Schnitz it took about 3 hours relay time :-)
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GWG davidmead: Actually, no, it doesn't. But it will more in the future. I want to write custom presentations for each post kind. Right now, they all use the same presentation style.
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GWG Just got back to my computer. Looking at your screenshots now.
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GWG Had to be some pseudophedrine. Phenlyphrine does nothing for me
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GWG I''ll look at the first and seocnd one. But it isn't supposed to show the name/title if it equals the summary
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GWG I think the wrapping is the theme. But will look further.
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GWG Note to self. Add note on theming to readme for Post Kinds plugin
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davidmead sppreciate it GWG
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Loqi [indienews] New post: http://me.gidzit.org/#2016-01-02 http://news.indiewebcamp.com/en/me.gidzit.org/#2016-01-02
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KartikPrabhu why is there a # in that URL?
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[snarfed] hah, because the source page is a single page app
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[snarfed] funny
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KartikPrabhu no it does not use client-side JS
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KartikPrabhu i checked. the page is rendered server-side
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Schnitz hmmm trying to connect FB with Bridgy
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Schnitz I seem stuck
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Schnitz https://brid.gy/facebook/477446255632109#
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KartikPrabhu Schnitz [snarfed]: is the problem that belp.audio does not have an explicit h-feed?
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Schnitz Kartik: wait, I'm still trying to learn the basic, like in which direction what would be posted :)
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[snarfed] Schnitz: try adding belp.audio to your FB profile and sign up again
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Schnitz snarfed, thanks for the hint, my personal FB profile or for the page I
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Schnitz am running at FB or doesn't matter?
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[snarfed] oh, right, this is an FB page. let me take a step back. what's your use case?
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Schnitz thanks for helping. Actually TBH I'm not sure what use case is
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Schnitz ;)
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Schnitz Ok of course I want to get the commentary on the FB onto another website
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Schnitz thats always the use case
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Schnitz Ideally from the page I manage (Schamoni Film)
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[snarfed] well, publish is another :P
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[snarfed] but ok, thanks, just checking
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[snarfed] looking
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Schnitz no problem, I'm most grateful for any help. What would work easily / or are most people doing, may I ask?
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Schnitz publish I guess
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[snarfed] btw KartikPrabhu interesting. i see different content at / vs at /#2016-01-02. regardless, i expect they sent the wm with the # in source, so that's why news has it
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[snarfed] Schnitz: not at all! backfeed is fine.
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Schnitz I've put belp.audio under website now for the FB page (Schamoni Film)
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KartikPrabhu yes. i think the URL design on the server-side includes a #. it is strange
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[snarfed] well servers don't see the fragment, so they can't use it when rendering
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KartikPrabhu oh hmm yeah... very strange indeed. And I don't know how to webmention that page because it has no URL for a post only days
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[snarfed] Schnitz: first step is to sign up schamoni's tumblr for bridgy, if it's not already, so that it can receive webmentions
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Schnitz right!
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Schnitz thanks, I would do that and then get back to it, thanks for the help!
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[snarfed] (btw i was wrong, no need to add belp. audio to it if it's a page. you just need the sites it will backfeed to, eg the tumblr)
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Schnitz ah ok
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Schnitz also good to know
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Schnitz I will take out belp.audio from the FB profile then now
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petermolnar re KartikPrabhu "i checked. the page is rendered server-side" CSS magic
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KartikPrabhu CSS ?
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[snarfed] plus JS i assume
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[snarfed] btw including a fragment in a webmention target for a SPA post sounds similar to doing it for marginalia
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[snarfed] a wm handler could definitely support that
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KartikPrabhu yes. but the post has a days page only. if there are multiple posts on a day who knows
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[snarfed] good point. maybe there are per post permalinks too
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petermolnar there is no script on that site
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petermolnar that seems to be pure css
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KartikPrabhu anyway. that site does not have a webmention endpoint so...
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KartikPrabhu petermolnar: CSS does not know about URLs
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petermolnar it does
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petermolnar in a way
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KartikPrabhu you mean it is using :target to display certain posts?
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petermolnar [href=]
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petermolnar see #11 http://code.tutsplus.com/tutorials/the-30-css-selectors-you-must-memorize--net-16048
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KartikPrabhu yeah i know about :target and href in CSS, but using those to display posts is really overkill
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petermolnar better than js
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KartikPrabhu not really
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petermolnar why?
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petermolnar it's noscript compatible
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petermolnar and blazing fast
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KartikPrabhu CSS is supposed to be for styling and not for URL navigation. Same problem with using JS
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KartikPrabhu let the browser do navigation
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petermolnar sure, but if someone insist on a single page site, this is still a nice way to do so
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KartikPrabhu also it is downloading the HTML of all the posts even if I want to see only one of them
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petermolnar by the way, it seem to have a webmention endpoint, but nested in the content: <p><a href="//webmention.gidzit.org/w/" rel="webmention"></a></p>
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KartikPrabhu hmmm
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