#indiewebcamp 2016-01-05

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tantek petermolnar, what is the easiest way to add rel=me to a WordPress blog?
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davidascher petermolnar: grumble. I'm trying hard to avoid making theme changes that are semantic.
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tantek davidascher: that seems reasonable
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KevinMarks does silo.pub walk you through that?
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petermolnar tantek, davidascher I believe we do need a plugin for that
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petermolnar I'll put one together soon
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petermolnar but for now
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KevinMarks or is this self-hosted
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petermolnar I'd add a text-widget
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petermolnar with the HTML in it
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tantek davidascher does raise a good question though
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KevinMarks hm, no that uses it's own auth now
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snarfed alternatively, davidascher, in your wordpress admin console, try Appearance => Customize, then click on Theme Options
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tantek !tell snarfed,GWG,petermolnar,pfefferle what is the easiest way to add rel=me to a WordPress blog without having to make theme changes?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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snarfed if it's there, less invasive and more DRY than a text widget
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davidascher (on the phone)
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snarfed (not available in all themes though)
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petermolnar tantek: text widget with corresponding HMTL
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tantek snarfed, petermolnar supposedly "Syndication Links" has or "supports rel-me links for IndieAuth. "
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tantek according to https://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started_on_WordPress#Syndicate_your_content_to_other_sites
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tantek do either of you use "Syndication Links" for your rel=me?
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tantek and if not, why not? has anyone?
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tantek petermolnar: could you add a section "Setting up rel=me" to the start of https://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started_on_WordPress which describes what you think is the easiest way to setup rel=me on a WordPress blog?
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petermolnar I don't; i used to, but I wanted a bit more flexibility; my rel=me is coming from a twig include, set up based on the author
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petermolnar but if "Syndication Links" say it does it, it should
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petermolnar "I don't..." was in response to "do either..."
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petermolnar I'll add a section tomorrow morning (past midnight here, so see you in the morning)
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tantek petermolnar: last time I tried to work with someone to find the UI in Syndication Links it was impossible or nonexistent
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tantek so I gave up
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tantek the point is, our "Getting Started on WordPress" page should *start* with the absolute easiest steps to setting up rel=me on a WordPress blog
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tantek without having to make theme changes
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davidascher tantek: ideally wordpress would just work.
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tantek because with rel=me you can then sign-into the wiki etc.
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davidascher next best would be a checkbox on stock wp
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tantek davidascher: yes! ideally. however, like some other open source projects, they like to see adoption of functionality in a plugin before including it in core ;)
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davidascher next best woudl be a simple plugin
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davidascher not 5 =)
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tantek agreed
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GWG Did someone say WordPress?
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Loqi GWG: tantek left you a message 17 minutes ago: what is the easiest way to add rel=me to a WordPress blog without having to make theme changes? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-04/line/1451952137821
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GWG I prefer installing Syndication Links, but I'm biased. Also, needs a better help section
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tantek GWG - Syndication Links has no discoverable UI for rel=me
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tantek we already tried that and failed at IWC SF last year
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tantek pretty sure there's an archived IRC log about it
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GWG tantek: I know. That's the help part I need to improve on
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GWG I had to finish my 2016 commitment first.
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snarfed GWG: also is the indieweb bundle plugin still maintained and recommended? or no?
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tantek Ok I'm not waiting
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tantek having an out of date Getting Started on WordPress page is kinda bad
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GWG I finished that this week.
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GWG Syndication Links is next
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tantek.com edited /Getting_Started_on_WordPress (+507) "minimize intro para, put rel=me setup at top, note indieweb plugin in question and needs clarification" (view diff)
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GWG By the way, in the Settings Page for Syndication Links, it has a check box that says "Add rel-me links to the header, and below it a text box for the rel=me links."
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tantek GWG, none of us could find even how to get to the Settings Page
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tantek petermolnar: could you add necessary details to https://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started_on_WordPress#Setup_rel.3Dme ?
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GWG It's under Settings. Odd. I may be too close to this.
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tantek.com edited /Getting_Started_on_WordPress (+132) "/* Setup rel=me */ note that this is literally the first measure of indiemark after your own domain" (view diff)
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tantek GWG, literally none of us. not me, snarfed, kylewm, no one
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GWG tantek: I'm therefore confused about how to make it more obvious. But I'll try.
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tantek no one could find it or figure it out - we were all trying to help a new IWC participant who uses WordPress get up to speed and none of the instructions worked for any of us
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tantek GWG, you might need to test the instructions with someone with WordPress who is new
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GWG I may ask you to try at IWC NYC if you mind.
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tantek or make a separate page
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GWG tantek: I intend to give it a shot
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tantek and include screenshots for each step
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KevinMarks see https://github.com/kylewm/silo.pub/blob/master/silopub/templates/indieauth_wordpress.jinja2
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tantek KevinMarks: apropos what?
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KevinMarks adding rel me links to wordpress
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GWG I definitely need to figure out user issues
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tantek Kevinmarks - not really understanding, if you think the material there is helpful, could you update https://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started_on_WordPress#Setup_rel.3Dme ?
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GWG tantek: Re the Indieweb Plugin, I pushed the last few updates. Pfefferle has been busy with life. I still have privileges though.
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tantek GWG, best way to learn more (about) user issues is to work directly with new users and listen and take notes when they're confused or ask questions.
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tantek GWG, that wasn't the question re: IndieWeb plugin
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GWG tantek: I'm eagerly awaiting one to work with. I have had a few things for Post Kinds lately that I did based on feedback, but no one has said anything until your comment. And I intend to try and rearrange it.
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tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-04/line/1451951820293
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tantek snarfed thought it was deprecated
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tantek.com edited /Getting_Started_on_WordPress (+60) "/* Indieweb Plugin */ IRC citation" (view diff)
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GWG No. He's thinking of version 1, which contained the other plugins.
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GWG Version 2 installs other plugins for you
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GWG davidascher: Are you still around?
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kevinmarks.com edited /Getting_Started_on_WordPress (+230) "/* Setup rel=me */" (view diff)
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tantek GWG thanks for clarifying
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davidascher yes but on the phone sorry
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GWG davidascher: When you have a moment
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GWG tantek: I could add how to use Syndication Links to add rel=me to the wiki, or hold that off till I update with a better explanation in the plugin itself
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tantek.com edited /Getting_Started_on_WordPress (+124) "/* Setup rel=me */ test your rel=me with indiewebfiyme" (view diff)
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tantek GWG, at this point the text widget explanation is up there
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tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started_on_WordPress#Setup_rel.3Dme
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tantek so now that's the bar to beat
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GWG I know.
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tantek if you can come up with a *simpler* setup/explanation then great, update it
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GWG I could use some help with the explanation.
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GWG Tell me how this sounds..
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tantek otherwise, it's not really helpful
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GWG 1. Visit the Settings -> Syndication Links page.
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GWG 2. Add the list of URLs to add as rel=me to the box that says "List of Rel-Me Links for This Site"
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GWG 3. Click the checkbox that says Add rel-me links to the header and hit save changes
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KartikPrabhu Loqi messages?
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GWG 4. Alternatively, if you wish the links to be visible, do not select this box, visit the Appearance -> Widgets page, and add the Rel-Me Widget to add it to any widgetized area of the theme.
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tantek hmm - I would think the default would/should be visible
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tantek because then you're aware of them, and if/when you change them in the future, (as in change what accounts you use), you'll see the obvious out of date accounts
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GWG tantek: That's the widget, which is what I realized needs an explanation on the page
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tantek it's bad practice to encourage invisible identity stuff by default
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tantek GWG, no idea how widget and plugin are any different
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GWG The plugin adds the code for the widget. You still need to tell the system where to put it
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GWG My plan was to change the settings page to explain this, but you said no one found the settings page.
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tantek right, we looked at the list of plugins and didn't see any way to get to settings for that plugin
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tantek GWG, basically, too many clicks to get something done
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tantek from a new person's perspective, it's like, here, please solve this UI maze adventure of several screens deep before we reward you with the functionality.
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GWG Well, there are other ways, but the user will have to select them
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GWG I'll play with it.
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GWG Widgets, as far as I know, are something common to WordPress users.
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tantek well let's see how davidascher responds to https://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started_on_WordPress#Setup_rel.3Dme
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davidascher i like the text-widget hack.
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tantek davidascher: why is it a hack? would a dedicated plugin be less hacky? would you expect the indieweb plugin to do this for you?
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GWG davidascher: Knowing what a widget is, if a plugin gave you one to put on your site, would that work too?
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tantek wow: FB deliberately crashed their Android app as a live (unbeknownst to the users) user-test! https://twitter.com/internetofshit/status/684124629963685888
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@internetofshit ummm holy shit [photo] (twitter.com/_/status/684124629963685888)
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davidascher it's not a hack in a bad way.
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davidascher text widget is better than plugin -- no installation needed, will work everywhere.
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GWG davidascher: I take a different point of view, but is there anything I can help you with, WordPress wise?
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tantek.com edited /Facebook (+359) "/* Criticism */ Live user frustration test" (view diff)
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tantek davidascher: were you able to sign-into the website via the one neat text widget trick?
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davidascher off the phone.
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davidascher GWG: sorry, was curt cause distracted.
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GWG davidascher: I didn't see it is as curt. I pop in and out all the time
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davidascher I mean that having a way to just configure WP to make it indieweb is great, because in some setups (wp.com IIRC) installing plugins isn't possible.
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GWG Both ways should be noted, I think
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davidascher Having a higher-powered indieweb addon with more features etc. is a nice-to-have-on-top.
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davidascher tantek: about to try it.
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GWG davidascher: The add-on is broken into a lot of different pieces. Not everyone wants all of them
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GWG For example, most people use webmention and semantic linkbacks. But not everyone uses some of the others
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davidascher tantek, GWG: worked, thanks.
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gRegorLove Is the rel-me links portion necessary for Syndication Links plugin to work? If not, why not a separate plugin for rel-me links?
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GWG gRegorLove: You are suggesting more plugins?
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GWG Doable
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gRegorLove Yeah, a dedicated plugin for adding rel-me links, separating out that functionality from Syndication Links.
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GWG They go together mostly because I use the same icons
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gRegorLove The hypothetical rel-me plugin could have a link in the main sidebar, so it's not hidden under Settings > or Tools >. One click, enter rel-me links one per line in a textarea, click save.
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GWG gRegorLove: Most plugins aren't top level links in WordPress
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gRegorLove Just thinking through ways to make it simpler since this has come up a couple times.
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tantek GWG, since setting up rel=me is literally the first indieweb thing you should be doing, why not build that into the IndieWeb Plugin?
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tantek with the UI that gRegorLove suggested?
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gRegorLove Good idea. I forgot about IndieWeb plugin.
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GWG tantek: I'm happy to. The reason why pfefferle stopped doing that is the task of updating it.
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ascher.ca created /related_reading (+795) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-04/line/1451951184971" (view diff)
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GWG What gets bundled into it is then the issue again
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davidascher tantek: quick draft: https://indiewebcamp.com/related_reading
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tantek davidascher++ congrats on getting rel=me setup and thank you for adding to the wiki!
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Loqi davidascher has 1 karma
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gRegorLove "IndieWeb" could be the main sidebar link then, with plugins underneath it.
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tantek that makes sense
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gRegorLove I've seen a loooot of plugins adding main sidebar links, which I agree gets pretty cluttered quickly.
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GWG gRegorLove: That is doable. Coding the plugin to recognize the installation of the Indieweb plugin and moving the main link under there instead of under Settings
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GWG By the way, as of the last version of the webmention plugin, you should see where its settings are.
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tantek.com edited /related_reading (+165) "stub, dfn, IW/Silo examples, see also, linky linky" (view diff)
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tantek davidascher: looks great, I just tweaked a little bit
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GWG I'm going to have to think about this. But an Indieweb main link with sublinks may be doable.
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tantek by adding a <dfn> tag, Loqi will use the first sentence as the definition
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tantek e.g.
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tantek what is related reading?
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Loqi Related Reading is a feature of some blogging silos (like Medium, Wordpress.com) where at the end of a blog post, the system suggests another deemed-likely-interesting-to-you given your assumed interest in the topic that you just read about https://indiewebcamp.com/related_reading
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KartikPrabhu I don't really want to show others posts on my site that way
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KartikPrabhu s/others/other people's
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Loqi KartikPrabhu meant to say: I don't really want to show other people's posts on my site that way
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davidascher KartikPrabhu: totally an opt-in concept.
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tantek.com edited /related_reading (+19) "see also UX" (view diff)
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davidascher but I'm curious -- why?
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KartikPrabhu if people have their own site, readers should read that post on their site
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tantek KartikPrabhu: think of the reverse, would you want to show your posts on someone else's site that way?
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KartikPrabhu no
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tantek I can see opting in to either or both (or neither)
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davidascher KartikPrabhu: Can you unpack the "should"?
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davidascher do you feel the same about feed readers?
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GWG !tell acegiak, pfefferle, snarfed What do you think about the idea of the Indieweb plugin creating a unified settings area for any of the plugins included in it?
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davidascher (not trying to convince, just to understand)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KartikPrabhu davidascher: the post author might have designed the post in a specific way with some custom design/scripts. I have no desire to "spoil" that experience for readers by showing the post in my site's design
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davidascher yup, i can see that for some posts.
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KartikPrabhu yes I feel the same way about feed readers too. I always read posts on the original site and not in my reader
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tantek KartikPrabhu: or vice-versa? like your custom posts with style/script? how would those work on another site?
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KartikPrabhu i don't know if they can
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KartikPrabhu unless the person wants to trust my scripting
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tantek.com edited /related_reading (+55) "/* Silo Examples */ screenshot needed" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu here is a challenge: https://kartikprabhu.com/articles/life
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek, regarding issue, no, its the requirement that all hashes in the jf2 must have a type field
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davidascher My own perspective is a) I care about the ideas inside the post reaching a broad audience, b) requiring people to visit N sites for N authors is not working compared to silos, so I'm looking for alternative ways to get the content to readers while keeping the idea of a federated web alive.
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Schnitz nice link, Kartik
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ben_thatmustbeme the webmention.io serialization does not have that for author, it dropped off the card type
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KartikPrabhu it would be a challenge to show that post of fine on someone's site/feed reader
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davidascher totally.
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KartikPrabhu s/fine/mine
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Loqi KartikPrabhu meant to say: it would be a challenge to show that post of mine on someone's site/feed reader
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davidascher KartikPrabhu: which is a good feature request to my idea -- make it possible for people to indicate which posts can be syndicated, and which ones really need the entire context.
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KartikPrabhu hmm a lot of my posts won't qualify then
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KartikPrabhu any post with /custom-post-style or /custom-post-script will not work
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KartikPrabhu anyway how is this different from just building another silo?
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tantek KartikPrabhu: one moment, wiki update coming
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tantek.com edited /related_reading (+1498) "Why - based on reasons in original article, and provided by davidascher in IRC. How to, brainstorming" (view diff)
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tantek davidascher: take a look and see if these edits captured what you were expressing: https://indiewebcamp.com/related_reading
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davidascher tantek: will do.
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tantek davidascher: do you want to provide a Related Reading on ascher.ca, or do you want your posts on ascher.ca to show up in others's Related Reading sections? Or both?
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acegiak GWG: Wouldn't that then mean the sub plugins require the indieweb plugin?
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Loqi acegiak: GWG left you a message 18 minutes ago: What do you think about the idea of the Indieweb plugin creating a unified settings area for any of the plugins included in it? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-04/line/1451957187673
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davidascher KartikPrabhu: It's not a silo anymore than webrings were a silo =)
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GWG acegiak: No. You do a test on if class_exists('Indiewebplugin') and have it change the behavior
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acegiak ok neat
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KartikPrabhu never understood webrings
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tantek what is a webring?
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Loqi A webring is a collection of websites linked together in a circular structure https://indiewebcamp.com/webring
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tantek.com edited /related_reading (+14) "/* See Also */ webring" (view diff)
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davidascher tantek: Personally, my content is generally script-free, so most of it i would syndicate out; I'm actually equally interested in having "related reading that is available through links" but that makes for a less smooth, stream-y experience, so I expect most of those links wouldn't be followed.
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davidascher tantek: you have a lot of fun w/ loqi, don't you.
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Loqi yeah!
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tantek huh - that stub could use expanding ( /webring ) if anyone wants to try explaining how/why
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tantek davidascher welcome to the furture where we take our helpful anthropomorphized robots for granted :)
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acegiak GWG: https://acegiak.net/files/2016/01/Screenshot-050116-121652.png see what I mean about the meta being there but not there?
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davidascher Oh, i like a bot as much as the next person, but I think you talk to loqi more than anyone else if the last few minutes are relevant ;-)
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tantek Loqi is multifunctional, notifies us of wiki edits, Twitter mentions etc. in addition to being useful at answering some questions for folks in the channel.
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davidascher KartikPrabhu: the point of the ring (and I think of my suggest-you-read-this "tunnel") is to create a virtuous cycle of recommendations between web authors. I send the 'network' traffic and expose the ideas that I think are interesting in a way that is more seamless than a "you should read this <link/>", and hopefully if my stuff is interesting you'll
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davidascher reciprocate. I guess I think of it as a different UI on links, one that has no "UI" beyond scrolling.
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ben_thatmustbeme davidascher: think of loqi as a tool for us all. although if you look up "tanteking"
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davidascher but I realize it's not exactly a 'normal' model from a web 1.0 POV.
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GWG acegiak: That is funny. Is there anything in your error log?
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ben_thatmustbeme What is tanteking?
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Loqi Tantek-ing is a method of encouraging people to contribute to the wiki by indirectly prompting the person who first mentioned the term to create a short wiki dfn page for it https://indiewebcamp.com/tanteking
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davidascher nice.
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davidascher which, of course, one can only do by first reaching level 1 certification, which is clearly how tantek thinks he's going to win over the world. One sucker at a time.
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gRegorLove GWG, acegiak: If the authors desired, any (future) IndieWeb plugins, bundled or not, could add to the "IndieWeb" main navigation link. So whichever plugin is installed first would add it.
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GWG Good point.
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KartikPrabhu "scrolling a UI for a link" does not sound good to me. I dislike continous scrolling UX
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gRegorLove I think all those admin menus are generated dynamically anyway, based on the calls from the plugins.
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KartikPrabhu anyway, if someone wants to build it sure, just not my cup of tea
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acegiak gRegorLove: that was what I was thinking
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davidascher While I want to use the "intellectual economic" incentives of web authors to participate -- if indieweb participation means i get more traffic and my ideas reach more brains (or at least as many as publishing on Medium), then I'm more likely to adopt an Indieweb approach.
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acegiak GWG: Just testing to see what happens in the error log
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tantek what is incentive?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "incentive" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Ap
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tantek incentive is /why
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loqi.me created /incentive (+16) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-04/line/1451958818789 and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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acegiak are you aware type="date" and type="time" are chrome only?
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GWG Really? I'm on Firefox and it works for me.
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GWG Although it doesn't have the pull-down it does on Chrome.
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davidascher tantek: btw, sorry i can't make indieweb next week. will be in MV but busy.
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tantek.com edited /why (+428) "Reach more people" (view diff)
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GWG acegiak: I could add a polyfill for that, I suppose.
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acegiak GWG: I'm on firefox 43 on xubuntu if that makes a difference
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davidascher would love for wikis to adopt the upload image flow from Ghost.
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acegiak but I'm seeing a lot of posts in google about those input types not working in firefox
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tantek.com edited /webring (+346) "add Why section based on davidascher's IRC explanation" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /webring (+15) "/* See Also */ related reading" (view diff)
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GWG http://caniuse.com/#feat=input-datetime
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@DomainersMag what is the domain name? Let's add some #indieweb building blocks! - https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=http://tantek.com/2016/003/t2/domain-name-add-indieweb-building-blocks&ct=ga&cd=CAIyGjBkMGM2ZTZjMzVmNTRkYTk6Y29tOmVuOlVT&usg=AFQjCNFL95AwJ88eFJXZS0PJY73XC8QGYQ (twitter.com/_/status/684192710366990336)
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tantek.com edited /related_reading (+71) "/* Enables just keep scrolling */ different UI on links" (view diff)
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GWG acegiak: Guess I need datepicker
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tantek davidascher: like this? https://indiewebcamp.com/why#Reach_more_people
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acegiak GWG: I feel like wordpress should have one bundled in but doesn't look like it
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acegiak GWG: I really like the use of the input="date" and input="time" fields on mobile though... hmmm
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davidascher tantek: hmm -- my own implementation for reading list would be JS-required, so I don't know that that's really a point of alignment.
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GWG acegiak: That's why I was going to look into a polyfill. It works as a textbox on Firefox if you use the right format.
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davidascher tantek: uh -- my reading of the anecdotal data suggests that the "reach more people" argument for indieweb is wrong, alas.
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davidascher if you want to read more people, you're better off posting on facebook or Medium.
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acegiak GWG: Nothing in my error log btw. You can see the meta data is being saved succesfully by the looks of it, but not read?
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KevinMarks are webmentions related reading?
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GWG acegiak: Will experiment
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KevinMarks you can POSSE to medium
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acegiak GWG: Might be something to do with a separate bug I'm having where I have to save updates twice
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acegiak like, I'll make an update and press the update button and then I'll have to re-enter the changes and press it again
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gRegorLove GWG: I have a PHP snippet for date-time validation that works well as a fallback for browsers that don't support type="date"
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gRegorLove I prefer hinting at the preferred format and letting PHP's DateTime() validate and format the date
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gRegorLove I can put it in a gist if you'd like
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acegiak That's a nice way of doing it
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tantek davidascher_afk - I too have to run, however, a JS-required reading list would make sense - so others's articles wouldn't get indexed on your pages!
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acegiak pity there isn't a input type="datetime"
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KevinMarks js does get indexed now
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tantek acegiak: there was but not enough implementations
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acegiak ah ok
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KevinMarks https://www.google.com/search?q="google+made+some+dubious+choices+too"
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GWG gRegorLove: Can I have a link?
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tantek.com edited /related_reading (+164) "Brainstorming how to provide a Related Reading feature - use a JS-required feature to avoid having others content indexed on your site" (view diff)
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KevinMarks note the js-injected webmention on my site shows up in results
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tantek out for dinner
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KevinMarks KartikPrabhu: that is a very small grid for a game of life - can't even do a 3x1 blinker only a 2x2 square
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KartikPrabhu of course it is ;)
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KevinMarks if you made it 5x5 it could support a glider
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KartikPrabhu but then I'll have to extend the haiku to not a haiku! :P
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KevinMarks haku is 5-7-5 not 3-5-3
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KartikPrabhu in english it depends on whom you ask
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gRegorLove GWG: Sure, just a moment
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KartikPrabhu since there is no accurate mapping between Japanese idea of syllables and the English idea of syllables
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acegiak My chatbot watches for haikus in chat and oh my god is that difficult to work out programmatically
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KartikPrabhu yup
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gRegorLove GWG: https://gist.github.com/gRegorLove/97a705c920022e2a8b3c
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gRegorLove With a return of false, I show a message like "The date you entered is not valid. Please enter in MM/DD/YYYY format."
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gRegorLove And a hint beside the input field "MM/DD/YYYY format" Works pretty well to gracefully downgrade for browsers that don't support type="date"
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KevinMarks you could do that in js clientside too
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gRegorLove That line checking warning_count is because DateTime will accept 2015-02-30 as correct and make it March 2
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gRegorLove Sure, but less js is best js ;)
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gRegorLove (jk. I don't have strong feelings on it here)
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KevinMarks it's a reasonable enhancement
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gRegorLove I kind of like that this method lets someone enter "January 1 2016" and still works
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aaronpk I cringe every time I see mm/dd/yyyy format
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gRegorLove For those people who disobey form input hints :)
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gRegorLove Heh, well sure. Use YYYY-MM-DD. Esp. since it's a WordPress plugin
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KevinMarks you might need a date regexp
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gRegorLove As long as you're not one of those dd/mm/yyyy people.
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KartikPrabhu i propose a yyyy/dd/mm format! ;)
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gRegorLove ydmydmyy
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KevinMarks http://caniuse.com/#search=pattern
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aaronpk dd/mm/yyyy makes more sense than mm/dd/yyyy! but yeah yyyy-mm-dd fl
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KevinMarks so safari desktop is still the annoying one
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aaronpk acegiak: wow really? I haven't even thought about that, but I would have assumed an NLP library could do syllable counting pretty well
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GWG Okay, went the JQuery if date and time properties not supported route as WordPress has it built in anyway
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ben_thatmustbeme oh yay, i made it to the first page on google search for "ben roberts"
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Loqi giggles
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ben_thatmustbeme and thats in a private window, so its not just knowing its me
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@elimisteve Awesome idea, @indiewebcamp: "Send someone a short message only knowing their domain name", received via any medium! http://indiewebcamp.com/Projects#IndieWeb_Messaging (twitter.com/_/status/684227807933681664)
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GWG !tell acegiak Added a datepicker for you. Will update stable version
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@VSChawathe http://indiewebcamp.com/ActivityStreams (twitter.com/_/status/684234984803045376)
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tantek good evening #indiewebcamp!
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tantek !tell kylewm we are a go for HWC SF @MozSF 01-13 and 01-27 - could you post indie events and FB POSSE copies? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-01-13-homebrew-website-club https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-01-27-homebrew-website-club
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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bear hmm, what is the proper micropub response for a POST (note create) if the item already exists - 400? 406?
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tantek great question
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bear I scanned the micropub page for the create action and didn't see anything specific
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bear just 201, 202
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tantek I wonder if all the existing clients have some way of avoiding existing URLs on note create
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bear my issue is that it's deferred processing so I generate the url slug in one code part and then have to respond to that in another
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bear which is why I want to flag the 4xx immediately
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bear yes!
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bear indieweb 2016 commitment <-- done
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bear cleaned up my micropup and webmention code and also (finally) tracked down some bugs that were keeping the events from working
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bear I just used quill to post an update to my site without any arcane command lines
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bear does his happy dance
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cweiske bear, https://bear.im/bearlog/
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cweiske the link to "IndieWeb 2016 COmmitment" is dead
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bear looks
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bear oh - that is me making a silly typo
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bear doh!
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bear which is why micropub edit is next on the list ;)
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cweiske how do you plan to implement oembed support?
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cweiske do we have a generic mf2-to-oembed proxy?
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bear I was going to look at bridgy and the like and see if they have solved it
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bear but i'm a bit away from even thinking about that
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cweiske bear, https://indiewebcamp.com/indie-stats the "routes" -> ?id=bear.im does not work (anymore?)
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bear routes?
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cweiske Routes is a section on the wiki page
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bear oh, it's out of date
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bear fixes
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bear cweiske - also added an item for the new api/v1/domains handling
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tantek bear++ congrats! that's great news (re: micropub support)
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Loqi bear has 91 karma
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bear thanks!
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bear cool - and a micropub create also now will get a webmention scan
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tantek I think we're just waiting on aaronpk now ;)
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bear :)
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cweiske aaronpk's site doesn't have micropub support?
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bear it does, he is in the middle of a big refactoring
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tantek his 2016-01-01 commitment
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KevinMarks is this article asking for the indieauth n of m thing? http://techcrunch.com/2016/01/04/is-the-password-dead-the-future-of-web-and-mobile-authentication/?ncid=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Techcrunch+%28TechCrunch%29&sr_share=twitter
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@keybits @elimisteve @indiewebcamp Excellent idea. With quality ux design this could be a powerful attractor for personal domain ownership (twitter.com/_/status/684305605805391872)
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petermolnar 'morning
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acegiak GWG: seems to be saving datetimes now? I dunno, maybe posting from my mobile is different. Should the duration be prefaced with PT in the frontend display?
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Loqi acegiak: GWG left you a message 6 hours, 32 minutes ago: Added a datepicker for you. Will update stable version http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-04/line/1451968683883
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@NikkiJParker @BARMER_GEK protects its business with @Covata delivered by @tsystemsde #OwnYourData Time to take security seriously http://www.moneycab.com/mcc/2016/01/05/barmer-gek-entscheidet-sich-fuer-file-sharing-loesung-von-t-systems-und-covata/ (twitter.com/_/status/684336552042991616)
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@Covata RT @NikkiJParker: @BARMER_GEK protects its business with @Covata delivered by @tsystemsde #OwnYourData Time to take security seriously http… (twitter.com/_/status/684346270975180800)
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@AllanMo87513273 RT @NikkiJParker: @BARMER_GEK protects its business with @Covata delivered by @tsystemsde #OwnYourData Time to take security seriously http… (twitter.com/_/status/684346399597539328)
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petermolnar WordPress people, I've pushed my initial commit for people tagging in posts: https://github.com/petermolnar/wp-peoplemention
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petermolnar simple custom taxonomy, name as username, description as single line URL
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petermolnar the plugin will auto-tag on publish
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cweiske what happens with the tags?
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cweiske once they are created?
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petermolnar they send a webmention
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petermolnar although I made a mistake, correcting it now
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cweiske but wouldn't sending webmentions also work without people tagging?
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petermolnar it would
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petermolnar what's the question?
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cweiske maybe I should ask different
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cweiske how does it work? do I have to manually link the people, or does your plugin do this by matching the name?
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cweiske if I write "Today I talked with petermolnar" (no links), does it detect petermolnar and link to your homepage?
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petermolnar yes
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petermolnar but the list of people is hand-managed for now as a custom taxonomy
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petermolnar although I made a small php + bash + wp-cli script to pull the people from the irc-people page initially
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petermolnar but that's too ugly to be published :)
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cweiske maybe you could fill in a description in your readme
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petermolnar doing it right now :)
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@myfreeweb @abditum https://indiewebcamp.com/indie-config it shouldn't ask for it when you don't have a web+action handler, but… I think Safari does anyway (twitter.com/_/status/684354926831636480)
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Loqi [bridgy] Griffin Boyce replied '@myfreeweb Hmm, odd. This was in Chrome under linux.' to a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/indie-config (https://twitter.com/abditum/status/684355134973997058)
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petermolnar cweiske readme done
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Loqi [bridgy] Pelle Wessman replied '@myfreeweb @abditum I fixed it for Safari in my indie-config script through this...' to a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/indie-config (https://twitter.com/voxpelli/status/684355287025844224)
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petermolnar ...aaand I need to regex the matches, because right now, it matches way too many things for a user
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cweiske hellocweiske
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cweiske what about code in <pre> tags?
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petermolnar yes
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cweiske <pre><?php $cweiske = 'cweiske';?></pre>
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petermolnar you'll be mentioned. If I'm mad enough to code that, you'll be mentioned :D
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cweiske no, I would not want that
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cweiske should be only in normal text
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petermolnar obviously, but currently I have not idea how to sort that out
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cweiske parse HTML
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petermolnar no
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petermolnar too many pitfalls
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petermolnar and I also compose in markdown
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cweiske so it only works with markdown?
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cweiske I thought it's a generic wordpress plugin
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petermolnar no, it works on text. html is text. markdown is text. it doesn't work in binary. but currently, it's a little too sensitive, so I'll work on that.
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petermolnar I'm not really keen on making everything overprotective
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petermolnar if you use someone's CamelCase username in a code, that's your fault, not the plugins
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petermolnar matching too widely, that's the plugins fault.
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Schnitz hi
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petermolnar hi
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petermolnar cweiske the <pre> issue I haven't figured out yet (I still don't want to parse HTML), but for a little more restrictive matching this should do I believe; any opinions? https://regex101.com/r/uS1oV9/1
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cweiske not really
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petermolnar because ...?
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cweiske no time :)
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petermolnar it scratches my itch of wanting to be lazy on tagging, but as always, I'm open for pull requests
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petermolnar.eu edited /User:Petermolnar.eu (+782) (view diff)
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voxpelli petermolnar: you could try https://github.com/Masterminds/html5-php ;)
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voxpelli petermolnar: otherwise: Why not just parse names that are explicitly mentioned through something like an "@"-sign?
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petermolnar I could, though for potential future reason, I wanted it to be IRC-log friendly
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petermolnar thus that regex I linked
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petermolnar thanks for the html5 parser
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petermolnar simple_html_dom is getting a bit old
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@leibigtsystems RT @NikkiJParker: @BARMER_GEK protects its business with @Covata delivered by @tsystemsde #OwnYourData Time to take security seriously http… (twitter.com/_/status/684399978903678976)
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Schnitz morning snarfed, another little success on my end, I got twitter signed up on my bridgy tumblr now, and POSSEd a new track of mine into fb & twitter, and look how nicely the commentary is now collected back from both FB & Twitter on my site belp.audio via Bridgy / Disqus: http://belp.audio/post/136678013002/11k-soundcloud-follower-free-bonus-track-the
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Schnitz now if could get the actual commentary on SoundCloud collected back too via bridgy, that would be my actual end result / use case: https://soundcloud.com/belp-music/the-penguins-club
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petermolnar oh, I forgot, snarfed++ and GWG++ because I've tried publish to FB with bridgy and GWG's plugin and both worked flawlessly.
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petermolnar snarfed++
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Loqi snarfed has 190 karma
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petermolnar GWG++
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Loqi GWG has 138 karma
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Schnitz petermolnar++
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Loqi petermolnar has 11 karma
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petermolnar thanks, but what for? :)
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Schnitz for remembering, and being nice :-)
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@43dos RT @tistre: .@klischka praises the @withknown CMS – lean, bridging silos, based on #indieweb principles. Article in German: https://t.co/Ld… (twitter.com/_/status/684414876777902080)
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@aribadernatal I'm interested in thoughts from #indieweb folks on the #favelog, an easy way to #ownyourcollections. https://aribadernatal.com/2016/01/04/the-favelog-writes-itself/ (twitter.com/_/status/684421339050934273)
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@aribadernatal Credit to @indiewebcamp Homebrew Website Club and @t for the push last year. (twitter.com/_/status/684422879442780164)
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@anvial61 #indieweb @nasa: great (twitter.com/_/status/684423356272238592)
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@anvial61 #indieweb @anvial61: not sure if I understand how this works (twitter.com/_/status/684423528091926528)
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@anvial61 RT @aribadernatal: I'm interested in thoughts from #indieweb folks on the #favelog, an easy way to #ownyourcollections. https://t.co/JeZOKd… (twitter.com/_/status/684423896611815424)
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@petermolnar @aribadernatal nice work, I believe it falls under http://indiewebcamp.com/PESOS (https://petermolnar.eu/o0hpgs/) (twitter.com/_/status/684424048659415040)
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Loqi [mention] Peter Molnar commented '@aribadernatal nice work, I believe it falls under http://indiewebcamp.com/PESOS' on a post that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/PESOS (https://petermolnar.eu/o0hpgs/)
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Loqi [mention] Peter Molnar commented '@aribadernatal nice work, I believe it falls under http://indiewebcamp.com/PESOS' on a post that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/PESOS (https://petermolnar.eu/o0hpgs/)
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@TapestryMaker An #indieweb/@WithKnown question: how to reply "thanks" to @KevinMarks as a comment w/o having it show up in my stream? (twitter.com/_/status/684424705516765185)
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petermolnar I didn't want to triple-mention, sorry
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petermolnar seems like twitter + bridgy publish + my site = 3 Loqi
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tantek petermolnar - is the tripling your fault? or did that all come from one post? and if so, then perhaps it should be de-duppable
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petermolnar I think it's the result of twitter crawl, bridgy, and my own site's webmention to the wiki
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tantek petermolnar: I feel like with original post discovery Loqi could be de-duping those
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Loqi grins profusely
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aaronpk sadly it's not that simple
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aaronpk the twitter search and webmention notifications are totally separate systems, they just both end up making Loqi say things here
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loqi.me created /taxonomy (+245) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk - Loqi could queue them both like it already does for clustering *some* notifications
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tantek and then it could cluster *across* notification sources
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aaronpk that involves so much more plumbing
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aaronpk right now the twitter search and webmention handling are on separate servers, and the actual IRC bot is on another separate server
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tantek aaronpk: but it's the year of separate servers/services right?
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aaronpk it's true. i'm not saying it's impossible, just that it's a pretty big change for Loqi and would involve quite a bit of work
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tantek I'm curious about it because I'm wondering what pieces are missing.
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aaronpk well right now, Loqi is really just a UDP->IRC gateway. there's a UDP port he listens on and anything sent to that port ends up in this channel.
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aaronpk so the twitter search is running on a separate server, builds the text to send to IRC and then sends it to the API. by the time it hits the IRC bot, there is no meta data, it's just a line of text
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tantek got it - so a de-duper would need that extra data
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tantek how does the Bridgy invitations de-duper work?
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aaronpk that's all inside webmention.io
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aaronpk (and is also apparently broken right now)
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tantek ohhh, upstream ok
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[snarfed] aaronpk: how do petermolnar's second and third notifs there differ? just curious
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Loqi [snarfed]: GWG left you a message 16 hours, 26 minutes ago: What do you think about the idea of the Indieweb plugin creating a unified settings area for any of the plugins included in it? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-04/line/1451957187673
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[snarfed] maybe just same wm sent twice?
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aaronpk i'm not sure how that happened. it only sends a notification once for the same mention, so sending two webmentions wouldn't cause two notifications here
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[snarfed] i figured
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[snarfed] (and sorry GWG that's probably above my UX pay grade)
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tantek aaronpk, probably worth adding https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/684226935606517765 to /checkin as an example implementation
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@aaronpk Just made a "clock" that moves its hand to show where you're checked in to on @swarmapp! https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/684226935606517765/video/1 (twitter.com/_/status/684226935606517765)
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GWG snarfed, how so? You are familiar with the Wordpress admin. If Indieweb was a top level in the side bar instead of plugins having stuff under settings that even you can't find...
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[snarfed] sorry, i don't spend a lot of time in wp admin, i don't know its conventions, and i don't have great UX instincts
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Guerillero I avoid wordpress myself...
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GWG snarfed, I will have to test it out then.
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GWG Guerillero, it is my platform. Trying to help on board more people who already use it.
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GWG I still am too close to the problem
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Guerillero sorry about that
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gRegorLove I think a top-level link is a good UX to logically group indieweb-related plugins.
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gRegorLove (Re: WordPress)
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GWG I just wish we had more Wordpress developers interested.
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gRegorLove In general, or for this question?
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GWG I'm not exactly a great designer and I'm something of a mediocre programmer.
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GWG In general
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gRegorLove The design part is pretty well covered for the admin. A basic form will be styled nicely like the other admin forms.
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GWG I meant that I have so many things that I want to do.
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GWG It would be nice to have more company
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gRegorLove "If you build it, they will come" :)
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GWG Only if they can find and understand the settings.
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GWG If even snarfed couldn't find how to do relme in my plugin, I clearly have a problem
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GWG By even snarfed, I'm using him as an example of someone who has used Wordpress for a while.
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GWG gRegorLove, how do I know if I built the right thing for people to come?
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gRegorLove That's why I think rel-me should be its own plugin.
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gRegorLove That breaks out a simpler problem to tackle
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gRegorLove Can even ignore the question of the top "IndieWeb" link for now. Can always add that later. Pointing someone to "Settings > Rel-me Links" is clearer than currently.
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tantek welcome Guerillero! great to have someone here who is actively using Ghost on their own domain!
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GWG Putting them together makes sense because of the duplicate code.
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GWG Maybe I need to rename the plugin.
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Guerillero thanks, tantek. I have hung out in this chan for a while I learned about indewebcamp from tommorris a few years ago but never got around to adding my site as an example
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tommorris oh hey Guerillero
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GWG What name combines the idea it provides both relme and syndication links?
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gRegorLove Which code is duplicated?
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GWG The display code
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GWG Maybe rel links
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tantek Guerillero: have you taken a look at indiewebify.me?
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tantek and tried it on your site?
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Guerillero I have not
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snarfed GWG: i'm with gRegorLove, rel-me and synd links are pretty independent functionality. from a user perspective, it's not clear that they should be bundled in the same plugin
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snarfed avoiding duplicate code is an admirable goal, but not sure the tradeoff is worth it
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tantek snarfed, agreed.
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gRegorLove This looks pretty self-contained. The links are set via a separate config file is all I can tell. http://plugins.svn.wordpress.org/syndication-links/trunk/includes/class-relme-widget.php
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snarfed and you can also de-dupe the code in other ways, e.g. a php library, git submodule, etc
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tantek Either they are fundamental enough that they should go into the "IndieWeb" plugin so you get functionality by default
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tantek or they should be in their own *optional* plugins
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tantek e.g. rel=me is not really optional
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tantek whereas syndication links kind of are, since POSSE itself is optional
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tantek the experience of installing a "do nothing" plugin is not a very good one
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tantek as we heard from davidascher yesterday
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tantek and then he was stuck with how to add rel=me
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tantek so it seems logical to combine both of these
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Guerillero tantek: i have never seen the point of adding an hcard to my site...
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tantek Guerillero: let's take a look
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tantek here we go: https://indiewebcamp.com/h-card#Why
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aaronpk Telegraph uses your home page h-card to grab your profile icon and name after you log in :)
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Guerillero I guess so
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tantek Guerillero do you use Gravatar at all?
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Guerillero github has phased it out so not really
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Guerillero I can
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aaronpk github has phased it out? in what way?
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tantek whoa that's news to me too
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tantek but yeah, h-card on your homepage is an open web replacement for Gravatar (which depends on their single site).
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Guerillero I made my gravatar account for github. When I look at my profile there is a standard image there is nothing to change your gravitar
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aaronpk guess i had forgotten they used it at all. they've had direct profile image uploads for a while now
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Guerillero When I made my github in 2011, they didn't
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tantek aaronpk: interesting - I didn't notice that either
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rhiaro I actually hated having my photo on my homepage but ended up adding it because of all this indieweb h-card shizzle
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rhiaro I still might take it off again and hide it in data
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Guerillero I am trying to think of another silo that uses it...
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aaronpk lots of things still use gravatar. i'm always surprised when I sign up for something and then it already has my photo
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rhiaro yeah, same aaronpk
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petermolnar I didn't know about this talk: http://ikreymer.github.io/talk-20151215/#/ some of us might be interested
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marcthiele Good evening from Krefeld, Germany.
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aaronpk good evening marcthiele!
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@circa1977 We need Twitter et al to offer ping/notification URLs instead of being walled gardens. Or http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE https://twitter.com/bobpoekert/status/684448346438778885 (twitter.com/_/status/684455139579662336)
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snarfed rhiaro: many of us agree! hence http://indiewebcamp.com/representative_h-card
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marcthiele Hey Aaron ;)
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snarfed rhiaro: also http://indiewebcamp.com/h-card#Issues
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aaronpk snarfed: there isn't anything there about finding the h-card on another URL, it's about where to find it on a given page
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aaronpk http://microformats.org/wiki/representative-h-card-parsing
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Guerillero I also really don't like having my face on my homepage
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aaronpk I made a library that implements that algorithm, and that's what I used for Telegraph: https://github.com/indieweb/representative-h-card-php
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snarfed aaronpk: pretty sure we have an alg documented somewhere for finding it on another page
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aaronpk yeah, forget what that was called
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GWG Reading the thoughts. Going to let this percolate
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tantek Guerillero: it looks like you have a favicon and apple-touch-icon-precomposed.png though
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tantek that's another way to do it, just have an icon for your homepage, see: http://indiewebcamp.com/icon
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tantek and the question of a face icon is answered with multiple viewpoints here: https://indiewebcamp.com/icon#Should_you_use_a_photo_of_your_face
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Guerillero I mean the favicon is the ghost standard, but I see your point
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[kevinmarks] Gah, typoed the title of a post showing off long tweets.
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[kevinmarks] Gravatar is so easy to integrate if you have email. It has some old profile pic of mine that makes me look young.
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[kevinmarks] If you have the users email, that is.
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aaronpk i'm hoping that h-card library I published makes it easier to use people's h-cards
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aaronpk i could launch it as an API so that it's actually as easy as using gravatar
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Guerillero that would then change the game, imo
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tantek agreedd
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tantek aaronpk, Census? a service for providing what people self-report about themselves? is that "old" school enough ;)
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aaronpk :D
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aaronpk I could be more aggressive about finding a profile pic too, by checking for rel=me links on the person's home page and looking for a photo in other profiles
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tantek aaronpk - or doing /icon discovery first
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@kevinmarks @Serena well, there are ways around that - POSSE with brid.gy to bring back replies http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE - click on my post to see (twitter.com/_/status/684462441590173697)
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aaronpk yeah, representative h-card, icon, then rel=me profiles
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tantek in case they didn't put their /icon in their /h-card
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tantek yeah that makes sense
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[kevinmarks] And gravatar if they post an email
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singpolyma gravatar/libravatar
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aaronpk so libravatar lets you specify which server your icon is on in DNS? https://wiki.libravatar.org/api/
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aaronpk it took me a while to find that, it's initially framed as an equivalent to gravatar but is better because...?
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singpolyma aaronpk: better because not centralised, basically
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singpolyma so singpolyma@singpolyma.net can be resolved to an icon on my server with libravatar instead of using a single point of failure (gravatar)
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aaronpk that's what i mean though. if you just search "libravatar" and read about it, it is centralized, since all the examples point to you using their server
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rhiaro Linking my email address on my site does *not* mean I'm giving permission to directly link my site with gravatar image..
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rhiaro kevinmarks ^
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singpolyma using their server is a waste of time. that's just a tech demo / fallback
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rhiaro If that's implied I need a rethink
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cweiske aaronpk, I run my own libravatar server
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cweiske lookup works by first checking the user's domain DNS entry
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cweiske and if he does not have one, the central libravatar server is used
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cweiske which falls back to gravatar
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cweiske but it's decentralized by default
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cweiske the central server is only used as fallback
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aaronpk you keep saying "decentralized by default" but literally the first example is "Turn the image into a URL by prefixing it with the base URL http://cdn.libravatar.org/avatar/"
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cweiske where?
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aaronpk https://wiki.libravatar.org/api/
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cweiske Simple API
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aaronpk in order for it to be decentralized by default, the description of how to use it needs to include the discovery step. otherwise people will just use libravatar.org and not do the discovery
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cweiske below is Federated servers
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aaronpk also if i'm reading it correctly there is nothing federated about it, it's just delegated right?
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aaronpk profile images aren't synced between libravatar instances or anything right?
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cweiske I don't understand
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cweiske no
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cweiske it's like email, everyone has his own server
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cweiske aaronpk, according to the definition on http://indiewebcamp.com/federation it is federated
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aaronpk guess so. just sounded misleading when i was reading it
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aaronpk i kept expecting there to be more to the story other than DNS delegation
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cweiske DNS tells you at which http address your avatar server is, nothing more
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cweiske like an MX entry for email
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aaronpk right
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singpolyma I don't even run my own instance. It's just a single line in my .htaccess file to get libravatar supported on my server
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tantek I thought libravatar was abandoned
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aaronpk rhiaro: that's an interesting point. the fact that your email address is on your home page means anyone *can* get your gravatar picture if they know your URL
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aaronpk i'm not sure how to reconcile that with your intent to publish a profile image though
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cweiske tantek, you also think that atom and rss are abandoned
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cweiske just because you abandon a thing doesn't mean others do
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tantek cweiske: according to dying implementations, yes, they are being abandoned
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tantek cweiske: no need to make this personal
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tantek the documentation speaks for itself
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cweiske how so?
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tantek you can check the pages it's all there, RSS abandonment etc.
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tantek I have no desire to rehash what's already been documented on the wiki with citations
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cweiske ah you didn't mean the libravatar docs
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tantek cweiske: I never used libravatar so I never abandoned it.
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tantek I just kept hearing about it, asked about it, found out it involved weird DNS configuration tricks (that nearly no one bothers figuring out how to do)
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Loqi [bridgy] @serena ehrlich replied '@kevinmarks Oh Kevin.... it is so beautiful.... (for realz, whoa). I spend most ...' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (https://twitter.com/Serena/status/684463986994094080)
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tantek but that's just absence of info which is irrelevant
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tantek what is libravatar?
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Loqi Libravatar is a protocol specification for fetching avatar images for E-Mail addresses and OpenIDs in a decentralized way https://indiewebcamp.com/libravatar
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cweiske I don't think TXT records is a weird trick, but maybe it's my tech glasses
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tantek cweiske: then you have a better understanding of that tech, which is helpful.
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tantek cweiske: if your site supports libravatar, please add it to https://indiewebcamp.com/libravatar#IndieWeb_Examples
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tantek so we can at least document positive support (rather than arguing about abandonment or not)
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aaronpk this is an interesting trend, I hadn't heard about this before: http://nownownow.com/about
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aaronpk a "now" page
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[kevinmarks] Hm, 'cos I linked the w3c spec, my root post didn't get webmentions in here.
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[kevinmarks] http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/rather-than-having-g-10000-character-tweets-i-expect-twitter
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[kevinmarks] Nbsp--
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Loqi Nbsp has -1 karma
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kylewm huh, Derek Sivers sounds like an interesting dude
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Loqi kylewm: tantek left you a message 14 hours, 43 minutes ago: we are a go for HWC SF @MozSF 01-13 and 01-27 - could you post indie events and FB POSSE copies? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-01-13-homebrew-website-club https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-01-27-homebrew-website-club http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-04/line/1451973363678
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kylewm petermolnar: cool presentation (re: web archiving) -- Ilya has been to HWC in SF several times
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KartikPrabhu1 Loqi messages?
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KartikPrabhu Loqi messages?
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Loqi woot!
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snarfed aaronpk: interesting indeed. sounds like a pinned tweet
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aaronpk really? the pinned tweets i've seen are mostly tweets that people think are funny so they stick them at the top
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snarfed sure, people do that too
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snarfed but some people use them as "now" posts
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[kevinmarks] It reminds me of finger
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tantek thanks cweiske and singpolyma
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KartikPrabhu all the "now" examples on nownownow.com look like "about" to me
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[kevinmarks] With now I think of "the now" on Flickr
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[snarfed] KevinMarks++
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[snarfed] (re finger. ah webfinger, we hardly knew ye...)
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[kevinmarks] Was "the now" the original selfie?
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kylewm 2003 selfies :) https://web.archive.org/web/20031209124939/http://kindofblue.net/webcam.php
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aaronpk haha oh man, i have some of that
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aaronpk really low-res webcam archives
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petermolnar snarfed do you thing pushing the lat/long if a h-geo is present for an image is possible for Flickr via bridgy?
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snarfed petermolnar: sure! if the flickr api supports it
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petermolnar I've hacked that into SNAP, but that plugin is horrible and I'd really like to move away from it
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snarfed cc kylewm
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snarfed petermolnar: feel free to add it to https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/317
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@jkphl @christianegle Hallo Hr. Egle! Wären Sie der richtige Ansprechpartner für ein mgl. @openexchange-Sponsoring hiervon?http://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg (twitter.com/_/status/684488448040923136)
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kylewm petermolnar: snarfed: definitely possible in the api (silo.pub does it), just have to figure out how ActivityStreams wants to represent lat/long locations
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snarfed kylewm: https://github.com/snarfed/granary/blob/master/granary/test/test_facebook.py#L415
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snarfed lots of example locations (with and without lat/lon) in the tests
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kylewm tnx
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cweiske aaronpk, I hope this is better now: http://wiki.libravatar.org/api/
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aaronpk much better!
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singpolyma cweiske++
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[kevinmarks] https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/684435661638615040
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@brycebaril @beaugunderson > split('❤') [ '💔' ] (twitter.com/_/status/684435661638615040)
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petermolnar tantek I might have spammed you a bit accidentally with webmentions
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petermolnar please ignore if I did
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snarfed petermolnar: kylewm raises a good point: you might also look into silo.pub as an alternative to bridgy publish
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petermolnar I'll check it out
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[kevinmarks] Hmm https://twitter.com/jack/status/684496529621557248
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@jack [photo] (twitter.com/_/status/684496529621557248)
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@btconf We are happy to let you know that one of the Side Events during #btconf Düsseldorf will be the #indiewebcamp again. http://beyondtellerrand.com/events/duesseldorf-2016/side-events#indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/684499134527717377)
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@decentcamp RT @btconf: We are happy to let you know that one of the Side Events during #btconf Düsseldorf will be the #indiewebcamp again. https://t.c… (twitter.com/_/status/684499242375839746)
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@kevinmarks @wblau the actual antithesis is http://indiewebcamp.com and the protocols we're building there (twitter.com/_/status/684500043814981632)
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snarfed on a related note, kylewm you might want to s/blog/silo/ or something similar on the https://silo.pub/ front page and docs now :P
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Loqi [bridgy] Wolfgang Blau replied '@kevinmarks thx! will check it out.' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://twitter.com/wblau/status/684500292684111872)
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kylewm snarfed: good point!
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