#indiewebcamp 2016-01-07

2016-01-07 UTC
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kylewm letsencrypt++ just tried it out on a secondary domain, pretty amazing
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Loqi letsencrypt has 4 karma
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GWG snarfed: I merge most things, either manually or automatically.
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cleverdevil <3 LetsEncrypt.
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cleverdevil we're going to be rolling it out more aggressively at DreamHost soonish :D
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aaronpk i am most excited about letsencrypt for what it does for companies like dreamhost :)
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aaronpk oh maybe someone here knows, I couldn't find the answer online. when you are requesting a cert for subdomain.example.com, does letsencrypt check for the verification file at example.com or subdomain.example.com?
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@ChrisAldrich I already have two @twitter apps that both do 10,000+ characters: they're called @WordPress and @withknown #indieweb https://twitter.com/Recode/status/684416027925467136 (twitter.com/_/status/684891365386240000)
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@kevinmarks RT @ChrisAldrich: I already have two @twitter apps that both do 10,000+ characters: they're called @WordPress and @withknown #indieweb http… (twitter.com/_/status/684893744198320128)
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rhiaro aaronpk: subdomain
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@cubicgarden RT @ChrisAldrich: I already have two @twitter apps that both do 10,000+ characters: they're called @WordPress and @withknown #indieweb http… (twitter.com/_/status/684895118952951808)
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@peteramckay RT @ChrisAldrich: I already have two @twitter apps that both do 10,000+ characters: they're called @WordPress and @withknown #indieweb http… (twitter.com/_/status/684895184316833792)
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GWG Thinking.
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KartikPrabhu what is status
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "status" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Ax
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bear I offer my services as someone who is good at "running services" to anyone in the indieweb community who needs Ops skills - just ping me
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[snarfed] bear++
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Loqi bear has 92 karma
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bear I need a way to send that to everyone :)
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KartikPrabhu bear: document on your user page?
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KartikPrabhu or if there is an "ops" page
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KartikPrabhu what is services?
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Loqi https://indiewebcamp.com/services
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bear.im edited /services (+206) "bear offers to be the ops person for IndieWeb" (view diff)
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bear.im edited /User:Bear.im (+186) "add "ops help apply here" signage to my user page" (view diff)
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bear let's see how that works :)
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bear goes to sleep
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@webrocker und dieses 'poste ich halt jeden beitrag als link auf twitter' ist mir auch zuwider, indieweb hin oder her. (twitter.com/_/status/685028748169768960)
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petermolnar good morning
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cweiske hiho
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Loqi cweiske: KartikPrabhu left you a message 10 hours, 2 minutes ago: thanks for reporting. It was a glitch in the code. In any case the hfeed2atom form is causing my server to "freeze" for some reason, so I have disabled it until I fix the problem. Sorry about that. I am no good at running services http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-06/line/1452123704062
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cweiske KartikPrabhu, maybe ask bear, he offered help :)
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@ledouarec les solutions existent : http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE http://indiewebcamp.com/backfeed cf aussi https://withknown.com/ https://twitter.com/15marches/status/685014392832933888 (twitter.com/_/status/685034535055179776)
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KartikPrabhu yeah... have to see how to run that thing for others
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petermolnar !tell snarfed,kylewm bridgy to Flickr location support tested, working flawlessly; one concern unrelated: if I use responsive images with srcset and the fallback, original image is small, that is the one that gets pushed. Would it be possible to parse srcsets and other responsive image methods? It might soon be needed.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek petermolnar: let's start with documenting use of srcset, and then figuring out how to properly do mf2 markup for them
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tantek so in that regard...
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tantek what is srcset?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "srcset" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Ay
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tantek ^^^ petermolnar could you create and once you start publishing srcset on your site add yourself with URLs to an "IndieWeb Examples" section?
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KartikPrabhu I have been looking at srcset too. But haven't implemented it
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petermolnar tantek sometimes you make my life harder by reminding me that not every tech acronym is widely known :)
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tantek KartikPrabhu: great, please help with that page and document your "looking at" in a "Brainstorming" section.
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petermolnar KartikPrabhu it's pretty badly supported, unfortunately I need to suggest to use picturefill.js for fallback
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KartikPrabhu no need. the fallback should do the trick srcset is pretty much progressive enhancement built-in
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tantek petermolnar: it may look like making your life harder, but I'm actually making a smaller more constrained request that *should* help with getting us (as a community) as a whole solve the larger challenges you are bringing up!
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petermolnar srcset is an HTML <img> tag extension, allowing an image to have multiple sizes listed for various screen resolutions.
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loqi.me created /srcset (+145) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-07/line/1452160468388 and dfn added by petermolnar" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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tantek a way to help with incremental progress towards solving
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tantek thanks petermolnar !
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KartikPrabhu my problem with srcset is it ties presentation ( image sizes in vw ) with HTML markup. I have no idea how to sanely implement it for a given arbitrary image
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petermolnar tantek smiley at the and as a 'nod', since I understand the need
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tantek Bridgy folks will ask what's the right mf2/HTML5 way to parse it etc., and likely we need a way of specifying it explicitly in HTML5+mf2 for other consuming code as well.
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petermolnar KartikPrabhu it's not entirely a progressive enhancement: I use the smallest image size as default to save bandwith
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tantek which of course depends on understanding real world use of srcset, hence document real world use, documenting srcset itself. etc.
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petermolnar so even on normal screens it needs to kick in
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tantek solving a maze from the finish to the start by unwinding the dependencies.
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petermolnar tantek I will extend it, this was just to have the page
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tantek I figured. :)
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KartikPrabhu petermolnar: yes. I would use whatever image src I would have used without srcset as the default
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petermolnar I originally did that as well
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petermolnar but right now, I have 4 sizes, the most common, for displays between hd and fullhd resolutions is the 3rd
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petermolnar therefore smallers screens downloaded a large image, just to fall back on a smaller once the srcset kicked in
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petermolnar so I decided to use the smallest as img src
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petermolnar and progressively add the larger is it's really needed
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petermolnar that's where picturefill.js comes in: http://caniuse.com/#search=srcset
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petermolnar (it's unbelievable that IE still lags behind o.O)
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KartikPrabhu provide safe defaults and no need to worry about IE and polyfills
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petermolnar safe, but ugly defaults, to discourage stupid browsers...
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KartikPrabhu in any case how do you decide the "sizes" in srcset?
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petermolnar offtopic, but interesting: http://webdesign.maratz.com/lab/responsivetypography/simple/ (found when searching for a good responsive image article that is somewhere in my bookmarks )
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petermolnar KartikPrabhu I'm just about to document that on the wiki
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KartikPrabhu it seems to me the sizes depends on the CSS display of the images and so I don't know how to put it in the HTML
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tantek petermolnar, KartikPrabhu the bigger challenge here is that we may need to add mf2 parser support for explicit srcset handling, and mf2 JSON updates as well. TBD based on real world examples.
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KartikPrabhu tantek: yes once we have examples
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tantek KartikPrabhu: I'm falling asleep, but feel free to capture that analysis as well in a "Brainstorming" section on the page
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petermolnar I'm looking for an article that summarized the different srcset and responsive image methods
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petermolnar because as always, there is more than one way to do it
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tantek which is why it is important to document the ways people actually do it
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petermolnar what is responsive images?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "responsive images" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Az
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petermolnar responsive images are an extension to HTML to allow different resolutions of an img or a picture element, according to screen resolution or screen pixel density.
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loqi.me created /responsive_images (+188) "prompted by petermolnar https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-07/line/1452161367086 and dfn added by petermolnar" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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KartikPrabhu cool night tantek
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petermolnar gotcha: https://www.smashingmagazine.com/2014/05/responsive-images-done-right-guide-picture-srcset/
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petermolnar wiki related question: 4 spaces should be code, but it seems like it executes the html in there. should I manually escape the <s ans >s or is there something I'm not aware of?
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KartikPrabhu use <code> and <pre> as in usual HTML
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petermolnar ok
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@ledouarec @15marchestu pour la syndication, tu connais http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE http://indiewebcamp.com/backfeed ? voir https://withknown.com/ avec bridgy (twitter.com/_/status/685045598454677504)
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petermolnar.eu edited /srcset (+2756) (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu petermolnar: thanks for writing that up. my question was how do you decide the sizes attribute. It ties the HTML to the CSS
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petermolnar that comes from PHP; I've added definite image sizes to wordpress to generate these; when the content is generated, I auto-add the featured image if present and the featured image is html is generated like this, if that is the question
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KartikPrabhu so you decide the HTMl based on the CSS?
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petermolnar ?
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petermolnar css had nothing to do with this
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KartikPrabhu the CSS decides is the image is 50vw at viewports > 960px
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petermolnar yes
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petermolnar but those are hardcoded
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KartikPrabhu so if I change the CSS I have to change the HTML too no?
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petermolnar ah, I get it
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petermolnar yes, you do
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KartikPrabhu unless all your images are in the same place all the time
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KartikPrabhu on my site they aren't
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petermolnar by the way, I have this in the css: @media (min-width: 960px) and (orientation: landscape) and (-webkit-max-device-pixel-ratio: 1.5),(min-width: 960px) and (orientation: landscape) and (max-resolution: 220dpi),(min-width: 2400px) and (orientation: landscape) and (-webkit-max-device-pixel-ratio: 1.9),(min-width: 2400px) and (orientation: landscape) and (max-resolution: 290dpi) {
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petermolnar .nav-toggle-button {
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petermolnar ignore the last line, sorry, bad selection
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petermolnar that is my "is it a desktop?" query
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KartikPrabhu yeah this will get real complicated when combined with /custom-post-style
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KartikPrabhu which is why I haven't adopted it yet
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petermolnar you can skip the correlation if the images always take the same size of the viewport
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KartikPrabhu they don't
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petermolnar s/same size/same %/
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Loqi petermolnar meant to say: you can skip the correlation if the images always take the same % of the viewport
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KartikPrabhu depending on the article different images are placed differently and have different sizes
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petermolnar I'd skip the css correlation in that case
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petermolnar just add alternate sizes, pixel density approach
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petermolnar my example is for photos which are either 100% or 50% of the viewport
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KartikPrabhu but then it doesn't do what responsive images are supposed to do
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petermolnar what, there are two aspects and you're mixing it
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KartikPrabhu my problem is how do I decide the HTML for a srcset if the size of the image depends on the CSS that is sizing it
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petermolnar 1, the image shouldn't be fixed in size and should resize according to the viewport
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petermolnar that I fixed as this: https://petermolnar.eu/reducing_js/ see 'Limiting image width & height'
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KartikPrabhu 1. is simply doen by width 100% in a container
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petermolnar 2, the real resolution of an image to avoid too much down/upscaling
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KartikPrabhu 2. is the problem
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petermolnar for that we have srcset
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petermolnar and that will kick in automatically
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KartikPrabhu yes. so how do I decide the sizes attribute for some given image whose size might depend on the CSS?
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petermolnar you don't need the media query
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petermolnar that's just an addition
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KartikPrabhu if i say in CSS position this image at this size I have to change the HTML for the sizes attribute
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petermolnar no, you don't
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petermolnar you specify the availabe resolutions of an image
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petermolnar the browser chooses one
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petermolnar IF
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petermolnar you have specific cases and you can describe them, like that 960px viewport % example, you add that as well
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petermolnar to make it easier for the browser to decide
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KartikPrabhu hmmm so not optimal
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petermolnar as far as I understand it, it is optional
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petermolnar I might be mistaken, but this needs more research
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KartikPrabhu without the sizes attribute the browser does not know how big the image will be actually displayed according to the CSS.
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KartikPrabhu it will go with the pixel density/viewport size and download the image even if the CSS has not been applied yet
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petermolnar it'll fall back for 100%
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KartikPrabhu yup. even if the final image is displayed at 20%
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KartikPrabhu so if I have the CSS #img1{width: 20%;} and #img2{width: 100%} the browser does not know until it downloads and parse the CSS but by that time it has laready requested the images
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petermolnar I never went deep enough into the topic to tell how it's actually working in the wild, so I can't verify this
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KartikPrabhu I think it does work as such. Which is why now I have JS doing the "responsive images" thing. But the drwback is that the JS has to wait for the CSS
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@webrocker ich finde es nervig, auf twitter links zu (indieweb) statusmeldungen zu bekommen, die auch direkt in einen tweet gepasst hätten. > (twitter.com/_/status/685055067309916161)
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KartikPrabhu petermolnar: not to worry. I think this use-case of mine needs a whole post so I might write it up sometime soon
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Jeena interesting, some guys here at the customers office I work at now listen to one of KevinMarks podcasts and got interested in my IndieWeb talk at foss-gbg next month, cool stuff :D
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KartikPrabhu Jeena: that is pretty neat
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@lukasbestle @creichel_ Wann planst du denn, zur btconf zu kommen und abzureisen? Hast du am WE davor auch schon Zeit? https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Germany (twitter.com/_/status/685074981852676096)
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petermolnar !tell snarfed,kylewm granary is awesome! one note: is does not display images (neither inline, nor as attachment) when it's used in atom mode for Flickr
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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petermolnar does the happy dance, got blogroll2email work with granary's json-mf2 mode work flickr and instagram, and now can has notifications in email
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@lukasbestle @creichel_ Das ist eigentlich immer sehr ähnlich vom Programm. Hier Infos zu dem 2015: http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Germany (twitter.com/_/status/685090621095292928)
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@btconf @lukasbestle @creichel_ here's this years, but you're right, it's similar: https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Germany Registration: https://ti.to/beyondtellerrand/duesseldorf-2016/with/vog-9jmlz08 (twitter.com/_/status/685096218528247808)
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@btconf @lukasbestle @creichel_ that is logic and true ;) More images of the #indiewebcamp 2015 here https://www.flickr.com/photos/marcthiele/sets/72157652680002660 (twitter.com/_/status/685096779302453248)
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Loqi [bridgy] Lukas Bestle replied '@btconf But that one doesn’t have images yet. ;) @creichel_' to a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Germany (https://twitter.com/lukasbestle/status/685096482165374978)
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Loqi [bridgy] beyond tellerrand replied '@lukasbestle @creichel_ that is logic and true ;) More images of the #indiewebca...' to a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Germany (https://twitter.com/btconf/status/685096779302453248)
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@LukasRosenstock "The Website Obesity Crisis": http://idlewords.com/talks/website_obesity.htm?utm_content=buffer733b8&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer Transcript of a great talk that criticizes website bloat and calls for the #IndieWeb. (twitter.com/_/status/685111959214227456)
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Schnitz hey snarfed
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Schnitz BTW, snarfed, if you'd ask me, I'd give the SoundCloud SILO integration into Bridgy a higher priority than Issue 590
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snarfed Schnitz: understood!
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Loqi snarfed: petermolnar left you a message 5 hours, 41 minutes ago: bridgy to Flickr location support tested, working flawlessly; one concern unrelated: if I use responsive images with srcset and the fallback, original image is small, that is the one that gets pushed. Would it be possible to parse srcsets and other responsive image methods? It might soon be needed. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-07/line/1452160368618
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Loqi snarfed: petermolnar left you a message 2 hours, 43 minutes ago: granary is awesome! one note: is does not display images (neither inline, nor as attachment) when it's used in atom mode for Flickr http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-07/line/1452171061991
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snarfed adding a new silo is a lot of work, though, and i don't use soundcloud (and i don't think kylewm does either) so i doubt either may be unlikely for either kylewm or me to do anytime soon
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snarfed so if you want it, definitely feel free to jump in!
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Schnitz alright good, I might actually do that and brush up my programming skills after I come back from my vacation, thanks for letting me know
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snarfed cool!
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marcthiele Hey snarfed.
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snarfed hi marcthiele!
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snarfed saw your issue
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marcthiele Filed another possible …
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marcthiele ok ;)
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marcthiele Not sure if it really is one or i simply did not understand the concept of the file
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snarfed the json you included, where is it from?
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snarfed (for the logs, this is https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/591 )
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marcthiele It is what the Plugin (https://github.com/bastianallgeier/kirby-webmentions) from Basti grabs from Bridgy.
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marcthiele When I asked him, he said that this is 1:1 what his plugin reads from Bridgy. All the other json files have "text" before the actual texst
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snarfed hmm. the plugin fetches HTML from bridgy, so it must have converted it to that JSON somehow
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snarfed i'll look more
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marcthiele OK. Let me know if you need more info/input
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snarfed marcthiele: i think i understand now, and we can probably fix it on our end. thanks for reporting!
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marcthiele Happy to being able to ;)
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@jgmac1106 @LukasRosenstock That article was awesome. laughed out loud for quite some time. Going to use the Taft test in all my writing. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/685141711358717952)
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@belp_audio The Website Obesity Crisis #indieweb (http://belp.audio/post/136815704047/the-website-obesity-crisis-indieweb#_=_) (twitter.com/_/status/685142957410795521)
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kylewm good morning
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Loqi kylewm: petermolnar left you a message 7 hours, 19 minutes ago: bridgy to Flickr location support tested, working flawlessly; one concern unrelated: if I use responsive images with srcset and the fallback, original image is small, that is the one that gets pushed. Would it be possible to parse srcsets and other responsive image methods? It might soon be needed. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-07/line/1452160368618
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Loqi kylewm: petermolnar left you a message 4 hours, 21 minutes ago: granary is awesome! one note: is does not display images (neither inline, nor as attachment) when it's used in atom mode for Flickr http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-07/line/1452171061991
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kylewm huh, so it doesn't!
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gRegorLove Morning, #indiewebcamp
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aaronpk good morning!
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Schnitz mornin' gRegorLove!
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GWG Time.
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snarfed so inscrutable!
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GWG snarfed, I am contemplating time. Over the weekend, I did a post and backdated it to 1999.
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snarfed fun!
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GWG I am
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GWG recreating the events of April 10, 1999 as chronicled by me.
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GWG That was back in the days I took real film and kept a film log in a notebook
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GWG People don't seem to annotate their pictures like they used to
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GWG It changes the meaning of photo post.
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GWG I know there was a lot of talk about multi photo posts recently
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snarfed there was! bridgy publish now supports multi photo to twitter
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snarfed and location!
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GWG Not sure how to multi photo post. I have been doing it as an article.
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snarfed kylewm++
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Loqi kylewm has 281 karma
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Jeena So next week the first HWC in GOT this year, don't miss it if you're somewhere near! https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-01-13-homebrew-website-club
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kylewm Jeena++ I like your poem
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Loqi Jeena has 26 karma
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Jeena I have a oem?
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Jeena poem
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kylewm ...year, ...near in your previous message :)
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Jeena haha unintentional ^^
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Loqi nice
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[snarfed] hey kylewm, does silo.pub support syndication? ie if i have silo.pub tumblr and twitter accts, can i use it to post to tumblr and posse that post to twitter?
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kylewm no, interesting idea though... so you'd send your micropub request for tumblr with syndicate-to[]=https://silo.pub/twitter.com/schnarfed, and it'd pass the request along?
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[snarfed] i guess so?
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kylewm what is micropub chaining?
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[snarfed] sure!
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Loqi micropub chaining is when you have one micropub endpoint itself use micropub to post to another micropub endpoint, like to POSSE a post to silos, or to a community site or other commons https://indiewebcamp.com/micropub_chaining
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[snarfed] ah i see, so that way silo.pub wouldn't advertise and handle the explicit syndicating targets itself?
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[snarfed] although that could work too i guess, just needs implementation
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kylewm hehe PublishToSomeSilo.xyz
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aaronpk interesting idea
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kylewm [snarfed]: in my mind I guess it would work just like redwind does now. there is some UI for adding a micropub syndication target to your tumblr account
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kylewm then when the micropub client requests the list of possible syndication targets, that would be returned as one of them
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snarfed sure!
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kylewm I don't know about all this /micropub?register=... stuff
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snarfed Schnitz might be interested in this. he's been pushing the boundaries of using bridgy publish to posse his tumblr posts
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aaronpk yeah I don't really follow that page. It seems more like implementation detail of a particular implementation
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snarfed well, the ability to pass an arbitrary mp endpoint as a syndication target is user visible, not just implementation detail
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snarfed but it's not quite plug and play since the first mp server needs the token for the second
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kylewm snarfed: Schnitz: of course the major drawback would be you'd have to use Quill or another client to publish...not Tumblr's native client which I'dgues is pretty good?
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aaronpk but even still, to the user it just looks like another syndication target, doesn't really matter if the syndication target supports micropub or not
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Schnitz reading...
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snarfed aaronpk: i think it does matter though, since the first mp server uses mp to talk to the synd target, right?
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aaronpk but that's just implementation detail of how syndication works
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Schnitz kylewm: Tumblr's native client *is* pretty good, thats the point. I alllows Rich Text that becomes clean HTML, and you can author in HTML directly, which is nice (that how I add my webmention <a href="">) to my posts manually right now
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aaronpk all the client cares about is passing the syndicate-to string to the first micropub endpoint
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snarfed aaronpk: sure. for normal syndication targets, agreed. it seems like the difference w/chaining is that a URL syndication target automatically tells the mp server to use micropub
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snarfed so it can syndicate to an arbitrary MP endpoint it's never seen before
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@DionysiusOfDnvr http://indiewebcamp.com/ http://indiewebcamp.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/685172946109882368)
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snarfed having said that, i haven't actually looked at this deeply, so i should probably stop talking :P
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snarfed kylewm: Schnitz: understood! it's a tradeoff, i guess. the benefit of silo.pub is that you'd get more sophisticated POSSE support than bridgy publish
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Schnitz right, that has its value, for sure
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Schnitz snarfed, but do mean in terms of post formating options or things like multi-threaded commentary?
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snarfed Schnitz: i think the latter?
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kylewm aaronpk: speaking of all this, I'd like to brainstorm a bit how we could get the name/icon for a service from its url https://kylewm.com/2016/01/i-need-to-work-on-how-a-micropub-client-could-better
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Schnitz right
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snarfed you'd also be able to use interesting special-purpose micropub clients, e.g. http://ownyourgram.com/ , https://teacup.p3k.io/ , mobile apps, etc
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aaronpk kylewm: yeah totally. right now the two approaches are either change the response of the syndication endpoint query to include that info, or have the client make an HTTP request to fetch the info from the syndication URL
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kylewm maybe something like h-x-app but for a silo account... h-x-account? which would have the silo icon, the silo name and the account name
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aaronpk i think h-card covers everything needed, right?
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Schnitz to post formatting wise we're down to either just text or one image plus text if you want it to be equally well recepted on Tumblr / FB / Twitter, not so much a technical issue, more about audiences and their usage patterns
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Schnitz even photosets don't really make soo much sense when cross-posting
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kylewm the confusing thing is h-card would presumably have the photo of the user, not the icon of the service
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kylewm e.g. https://silo.pub/twitter.com/kylewmahan
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aaronpk hmm, what's the reason you have the h-card there right now?
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kylewm experimenting only, it doesn't do anything yet
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kylewm well, redwind reads the p-name, but it doesnt'make much sense that three of my syndication targets suggest "Kyle Mahan" as the name
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aaronpk oh that's the indieauth URL right?
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kylewm yes
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aaronpk if you sign in to https://telegraph.p3k.io it will grab the icon from that h-card then
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kylewm I don't even want to think about what it means to sign into telegraph with silo.pub :P
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aaronpk lol. it's just an ID, no micropub support in telegraph
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[snarfed] if the synd targets have your name and also the silo url, that could work, right?
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[snarfed] and/or username
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aaronpk you'd want the syndication buttons to show the service icon I'd think
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snarfed e.g. https://brid.gy/users?start_name=Kyle
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gRegorLove Hah. Looking at Facebook's "Memories" for the first time. Ye olde tweets that cross-posted to FB are prefixed with "is twittering:" I'd forgotten about that.
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snarfed er s/url/icon/. what aaronpk said
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aaronpk keep in mind that syndication targets are not always silos. e.g. I might want to syndicate something to another website of mine
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aaronpk (i have some plans brewing)
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kylewm you may also want to syndicate to something like IRC or Slack
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aaronpk those are silos too but yeah a little different from twitter/tumblr/etc
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aaronpk so it's almost like the profile h-card needs a way to describe the service that provides it
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aaronpk which makes me think there is probably some prior art here
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singpolyma org
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aaronpk "affiliated organization"? not quite
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snarfed destination
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aaronpk more like account provider
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aaronpk were there ever any microformats to describe an account rather than a person?
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singpolyma re https://kylewm.com/2016/01/i-need-to-work-on-how-a-micropub-client-could-better what's wrong with using favicon? (rel="icon" etc)
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aaronpk quill actually does use /favicon.ico right now
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aaronpk but that doesn't provide a way to have it show alternate text on the button, which is demonstrated nicely in that screenshot
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singpolyma <link rel="shortcut icon" title="Twitter" href="/assets/twitter.png /> ?
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singpolyma seems not quite right
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kylewm singpolyma: I like that idea
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aaronpk whatever this ends up being is going to have to work also on your own home page
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aaronpk if you want your website to be used as a syndication target
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kylewm compatible with the way it works for targets that are directly twitter.com/ or facebook.com/
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singpolyma kylewm: exactly
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singpolyma with domain+ /favicon.ico as fallback, probably
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kylewm silopub doesn't have a /favicon.ico right now, which is probably why it's blank for Quill
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aaronpk yeah. but also it just assumes favicon at the root so it'd be the same for all silo.pub targets right now anyway
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kylewm woodwind just uses google's favicon service, will have to test to see how it works with different icons at leaves
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aaronpk rel=icon probably works
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aaronpk if it can have a title too
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aaronpk my current rel=icon is my favicon (different from my profile photo), and I'd just have to add "aaronparecki.com" or "Aaron Parecki" to the title attribute
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kylewm doh google's favicon thinger only accepts domains
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snarfed huh, http://www.neverendingbooks.org/ has a pretty cool, unusual looking wordpress theme
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snarfed i confused it for medium at first
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@kevinmarks @UnburntWitch @girlziplocked what we're doing with #indieweb has the potential to be this. Would love to help. (twitter.com/_/status/685186027313471488)
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snarfed looks like it's http://themeforest.net/item/readme-a-readable-wordpress-theme/9167043
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kylewm I take it back, google's thing does accept full urls!
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snarfed woo! and does it work?
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kylewm yes!
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kylewm singpolyma++ great suggestion
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Loqi singpolyma has 8 karma
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aaronpk wait what just happened
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kylewm I added rel="shortcut icon" to the silopub proxy pages, and Woodwind gets them from there
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aaronpk oh nice
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kylewm which works whether your url is twitter.com/kylewmahan or silo.pub/twitter.com/kylewmahan
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kylewm <title> is trickier
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aaronpk I liked the idea of using the title attribute of the <link>
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kylewm ohhh, thought you meant title of the page
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kylewm It seems like the title of the <link rel="icon"> should describe the icon, rather than the account?
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aaronpk hmm yeah suppose so
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@kevinmarks @anildash #indieweb by far (twitter.com/_/status/685191314678284289)
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singpolyma but if the icon is for the service... and the title is of the service... maybe?
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aaronpk you want the syndication button to say "aaronpk on twitter" or "twitter.com/aaronpk" though, in case there are more than one button on the same service
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singpolyma oh. and the page isn't always a profile page?
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kylewm it seems reasonable to assume it's a profile page or a homepage
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singpolyma if it's a profile page, then you could either use <title> or else use hcard fn + icon title
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KevinMarks I use srcset on user profiles in willsomeone
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KevinMarks eg http://ask.willsomeone.com/user/chrisheuer
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KevinMarks up to 4x on the icon, 3x on the main
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@jgmac1106 @kevinmarks @anildash Its #teachtheweb for me its a baby step to #indieweb, honorable mention to: #literacies, #clmooc, #ccourses (twitter.com/_/status/685206781136629764)
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KevinMarks hm, how about profile image badged with the favicon?
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@ledouarec here I am thrilled to play with the indieweb tools with known https://goware.withknown.com/ https://indiewebcamp.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/685208606791217152)
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aaronpk KevinMarks: too small. the button only shows a 16px icon really
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KevinMarks hm, realised in willsomeone I shoudl detect an SVG icon and not use a srcset fot it
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KevinMarks bum
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petan1 hello little fellows
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Schnitz hey petan1
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petan1 what's up
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petan1 what do you guys do in here indieweb?
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snarfed hi petan1!
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snarfed check out http://indiewebcamp.com/
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jgamc1106 @loqi: are those automated so any post to #indieweb on Twitter automatically gets posted to IRC by some bot?
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aaronpk yes
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aaronpk who is Loqi?
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Loqi Loqi is a friendly and useful bot present in the #indiewebcamp IRC channel and other channels http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Loqi.me
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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petermolnar I finally finished reading this: http://idlewords.com/talks/website_obesity.htm - this is probably the most important articles I've read in years; it's conclusions would also work as a manifesto for the web of the (near) future ( sorry for linking it again, it sure has been mentioned, but I'm amused and happy to read this. Finally something on 'what to do' not just 'what's borked and it used to be better' )
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petermolnar s/articles/article
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Loqi petermolnar meant to say: I finally finished reading this: http://idlewords.com/talks/website_obesity.htm - this is probably the most important article I've read in years; it's conclusions would also work as a manifesto for the web of the (near) future ( sorry for linking it again, it sure has been mentioned, but I'm amused and happy to read this. Finally something on 'what to do' not just 'what's borked and it used to be better' )
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tantek GWG, we are a go for IWC NYC at MozNYC
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tantek got my flight
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tantek confirmed MozNYC space, coffee, food for breakfast/lunch
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tantek updating wiki...
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tantek looks like we have THREE confirmed indieWebCamps for 2016 now!
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tantek NYC, and two in Germany in April!
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aaronpk off to a good start! we just need to nail down the date for the IndieWeb Summit in PDX now!
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tantek !tell gRegorlove could you update the IndieWebCamps template for 2016, starting with /2016/NYC /2016/Nuermberg /2016/Germany (Düsseldorf) ? Thanks much!!!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek make that one in Germany in April, and another in Germany in May
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tantek we might be able to get 12 months of IndieWebCamp this year!
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aaronpk Nuremberg or Nürnberg, not sure if the wiki can do umlauts though
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aaronpk oh it's here already! https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg
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tantek yup! oh I see my typo
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tantek IWC NYC capacity is 15
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tantek !tell bear, jedahan, zachdonovan IndieWebCamp 2016 NYC is a GO 2016-01-22..23 at MozNYC. Add yourself: https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/NYC#Guest_List
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[jonnybarnes] Will there be a UK IWC this year?
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tantek jonnybarnes - very likely - you should ask adactio!
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[jonnybarnes] Okay :)
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jgamc1106 ooh may have to make the NYC IWC this year thoguh as non-dev person wonder if I somethign to contribute/learn. Wanted to make it last time but had travel conflict
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