#indiewebcamp 2016-01-09

2016-01-09 UTC
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[kevinmarks]
There is the core of something there (Tantek's MUST preference) but he overstates it into full draconian mode
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GWG
I got something committed to core Wordpress in an hour. I choose to be pleased.
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aaronpk
whoa! congrats!
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aaronpk
okay so "Solved by Flexbox" makes it sound super easy to get a footer to stick to the bottom of a page
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aaronpk
but then it has "Note: the CSS required to make this demo work cross-browser is slightly different from the CSS shown in the example above, which assumes a fully spec-compliant browser. See the comments in the source for more details."
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aaronpk
and for the life of me i can't get this to work on my site
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GWG
aaronpk, it was a simple one. The class that abstracts comment queries didn't let you search by author_url.
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GWG
It does now.
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: I have 10 mins you have example site?
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GWG
I was looking earlier when petermolnar and I were discussing the Webmention plugin
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aaronpk
i will ngrok it one sec
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: on content-sticky put overflow-y: scroll
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KartikPrabhu
works in FF and Chrome
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aaronpk
hm that's not what i want tho
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KartikPrabhu
that does not work in FF
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KartikPrabhu
footer is not sticky
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aaronpk
it is for me
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aaronpk
ff 42.0
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KartikPrabhu
ff 43.0 for me
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aaronpk
"sticky" meaning always at the bottom, so if the page is shorter than the window, it's at the bottom, and if the page is longer than the window, you have to scroll to see it
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KartikPrabhu
Oh! not stuck to the viewport ok
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aaronpk
just updated to 43 and it works as expected
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aaronpk
yeah "sticky" isn't the best word. I want it always at the bottom.
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KartikPrabhu
oh ok then 42.0 might not have the correct flexbox
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aaronpk
the demo looked the same in 42 and 43
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KartikPrabhu
the demo does not have very short page though
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aaronpk
click the button and it does
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aaronpk
"Toggle Contents"
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KartikPrabhu
oh toggle I see
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KartikPrabhu
yeah weird....
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KartikPrabhu
maybe philip is using the cross-browser thinga in the NOte
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aaronpk
yeah and i've been trying some of that too
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KartikPrabhu
anyway. this is not really crucial UX so you can let it fallback to the non-sticky version
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KartikPrabhu
good to know this. I wanted this for my notes which are sometime very short
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aaronpk
it's pretty important for me
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aaronpk
having the background continue past the bottom of the page is super ugly
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KartikPrabhu
it is ugly, but still functional so I wouldn't be concerned
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aaronpk
ooh i think i got it
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aaronpk
argh no now it starts just under the viewport
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aaronpk
I don't know why this is so important to me lol
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aaronpk
okay something weird is happening. i'm trying out other versions of "sticky footer" hacks and getting similar results
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aaronpk
there must be something about the rest of my CSS that's causing it
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aaronpk
okay it's definitely something in semantic-ui.css causing this
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aaronpk
oho! it was the height:100% on the html tag that was breaking it
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KevinMarks
what did it break?
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tantek.com
edited /NYC (+115) "2016 IWC is upcoming"
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tantek
IndieWebCamp NYC Lanyrd page is up: http://lanyrd.com/2016/indiewebcampnyc/
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tantek.com
edited /2016/NYC (+30) "/* RSVP */ Lanyrd URL"
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tantek.com
edited /2016/NYC (+94) "/* RSVP */ copy some to be added from /2015/SF"
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tantek.com
edited /2016/NYC/Guest_List (+378) "two days, comment checkmark, organizers, add co-organizer Lara from Mozilla"
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petermolnar
!tell GWG I've spent a few hours on trying to morph the current webmentions plugin into what I believe could be async on receiving, but it uses a different logic from what I need, so it seems I'm about to write a another-webmentions-plugin for wp :/ not ideal, but I have no better way so far
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@offrayLC
@mbauwens we could start by owninig our data with the #IndieWeb http://indiewebcamp.com/ and taking back data from silos to #DataCommons
(twitter.com/_/status/685803397111492608)
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jkphl.is
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sandro
loqi?
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sandro
Loqi, tell sandro this works
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@mbauwens
RT @offrayLC: start by owninig our data with the #IndieWeb http://indiewebcamp.com/ and taking back data from silos to #DataCommons
(twitter.com/_/status/685837543749844992)
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@commonssibi
RT @mbauwens: RT @offrayLC: start by owninig our data with the #IndieWeb http://indiewebcamp.com/ and taking back data from silos to #DataCo…
(twitter.com/_/status/685843651381964800)
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@pierreozoux
RT @mbauwens: RT @offrayLC: start by owninig our data with the #IndieWeb http://indiewebcamp.com/ and taking back data from silos to #DataCo…
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@IndieHosters
RT @mbauwens: RT @offrayLC: start by owninig our data with the #IndieWeb http://indiewebcamp.com/ and taking back data from silos to #DataCo…
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@ledouarec
RT @mbauwens: RT @offrayLC: start by owninig our data with the #IndieWeb http://indiewebcamp.com/ and taking back data from silos to #DataCo…
(twitter.com/_/status/685850217443373056)
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GWG
petermolnar: How did you account for everything?
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Loqi
GWG: petermolnar left you a message 7 hours, 22 minutes ago: I've spent a few hours on trying to morph the current webmentions plugin into what I believe could be async on receiving, but it uses a different logic from what I need, so it seems I'm about to write a another-webmentions-plugin for wp :/ not ideal, but I have no better way so far http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-09/line/1452328287744
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aaronpk
aaaand just like that the original method I was trying (with flexbox) works now that I turned off html{ height: 100% }
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aaronpk
i think i'm going to stick with the flexbox method because it doesn't rely on specifying a height for the footer block
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aaronpk
[shaners]: I like your footer block, I'm going to take some ideas from there!
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[shaners]
:+1::skin-tone-2::+1::skin-tone-2: take away. All ideas are wild and free. :grin:
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[shaners]
Aaronpk but pay no mind to the as- classes. Those are going away.
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aaronpk
ah I wasn't looking at the markup, just the content
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[snarfed]
morning all!
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GWG
Good morning, snarfed.
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[snarfed]
if anyone's interested in tackling a little new side project, feel free to check out https://snarfed.org/global-webmention-service
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[snarfed]
inspired by our discussion of google news/alerts, grep.io, and superfeedr tracking feeds yesterday
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GWG
snarfed, both petermolnar and I are looking at something that might interest you.
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[snarfed]
new webmention plugin?
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GWG
Well, more async webmention plugin
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GWG
The current plugin does not adopt that recommendation of the spec.
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[snarfed]
right, and that seems totally ok to me
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GWG
It's such a big change in behavior.
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GWG
Which, trying to see if async is possible, or not having it?
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[snarfed]
making per-site wm handlers async seems like a low priority to me compared with lots of other things we could be working on
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GWG
I'm contemplating it. I haven't written anything. I have so many other things on my list.
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[snarfed]
prioritizing++
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Loqi
prioritizing has 3 karma
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GWG
But I do think if there is an attempt to get webmentions as a feature plugin, it should be written up to full specification. petermolnar did suggest it as one.
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GWG
Also with vouch
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aaronpk
are css sprites still a thing?
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[snarfed]
eh. again, it's only a recommendation, not a requirement. i think it's useful for some implementations, but not necessarily all
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[snarfed]
and vouch is an entirely optional extension
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[snarfed]
it'd be good to have more implementations of it though!
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GWG
I'm just thinking about the complaints given about pingback and trackback. To overcome that, you need to show a robust protection built in
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GWG
snarfed, let's say, hypothetically, a man came up to you and said... "Webmention, that just sounds like a pingback. What's the difference?" What would you say?
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GWG
Not on a technical level, but..why is this better than what I have?
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GWG
I want to be able to say...it's better because it has better DDOS protections, it has an optional system to protect from SPAM, so on.
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[snarfed]
eh. it's useful to us right now without either of those
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[snarfed]
if you're talking about getting it into wp core, then you're right, it probably needs async
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GWG
But because of it being a mechanism for delivering other types of information. You could deliver that information with a pingback.
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[snarfed]
but we don't :P
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GWG
The WordPress REST API took 2 years to get into core.
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GWG
Getting it on the proposals for a feature plugin is only an endorsement that if we did the work, it could be in Core.
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[snarfed]
ok. I'm not familiar with the wp core processes. apart from them, though, i just wouldn't personally prioritize async in wp wm plugins
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[snarfed]
that's just me though!
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GWG
I'm only pondering anyway. Not sure I'm going to do anything but gauge interest on the WordPress side.
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GWG
But you can't add a possible userbase the size of WordPress to a system without the protection.
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GWG
In the interim, I have...venues as custom taxonomy metadata, micropub, some syndication links work, etc.
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[snarfed]
ooh syndication links support for pages! :P
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GWG
My plan with Syndication Links is a minor rewrite to add some features and refine some code, because I still haven't decided if I'm going to split the plugin as suggested. For now, I'm just going to make the instructions better. But I intend to fix all issues.
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[snarfed]
thanks again btw for continuing to work on so much WordPress stuff, GWG! we're lucky to have you here. you contribute a lot of value to this community.
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GWG
I appreciate the appreciation. Wish I was a better programmer. Some of this stuff would be better at the outset. But it is at least iterating.
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GWG
Right now, I'm really curious about taxonomy term meta and if it will work for venues, which I had previously envisioned as WordPress pages.
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GWG
I am really tempted to make this my project for IWC NYC.
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GWG
I tried checkins at IWC Cambridge, but it fizzled out
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matrrix
aaronpk_: I have a bunch of webmentions seemingly stuck between bridgy and webmention.io again :-( http://notes.whatthefuck.computer/1451896320.0-note.html for example should have quite a few according to bridgy, but none are returned
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nicolaischwarz.de
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