#indiewebcamp 2016-01-09

2016-01-09 UTC
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[kevinmarks] Hmm https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-thomson-postel-was-wrong-00
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[kevinmarks] There is the core of something there (Tantek's MUST preference) but he overstates it into full draconian mode
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GWG I got something committed to core Wordpress in an hour. I choose to be pleased.
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aaronpk whoa! congrats!
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aaronpk okay so "Solved by Flexbox" makes it sound super easy to get a footer to stick to the bottom of a page
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aaronpk https://philipwalton.github.io/solved-by-flexbox/demos/sticky-footer/
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aaronpk but then it has "Note: the CSS required to make this demo work cross-browser is slightly different from the CSS shown in the example above, which assumes a fully spec-compliant browser. See the comments in the source for more details."
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aaronpk and for the life of me i can't get this to work on my site
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GWG aaronpk, it was a simple one. The class that abstracts comment queries didn't let you search by author_url.
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GWG It does now.
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: I have 10 mins you have example site?
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GWG I was looking earlier when petermolnar and I were discussing the Webmention plugin
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aaronpk i will ngrok it one sec
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aaronpk KartikPrabhu: http://7c80887b.ngrok.com/2015/08/23/1
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: on content-sticky put overflow-y: scroll
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KartikPrabhu works in FF and Chrome
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aaronpk hm that's not what i want tho
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aaronpk the demo here is exactly what i want https://philipwalton.github.io/solved-by-flexbox/demos/sticky-footer/
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KartikPrabhu that does not work in FF
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KartikPrabhu footer is not sticky
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aaronpk what!
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aaronpk it is for me
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aaronpk ff 42.0
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KartikPrabhu ff 43.0 for me
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aaronpk "sticky" meaning always at the bottom, so if the page is shorter than the window, it's at the bottom, and if the page is longer than the window, you have to scroll to see it
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KartikPrabhu Oh! not stuck to the viewport ok
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aaronpk just updated to 43 and it works as expected
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aaronpk yeah "sticky" isn't the best word. I want it always at the bottom.
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KartikPrabhu oh ok then 42.0 might not have the correct flexbox
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aaronpk the demo looked the same in 42 and 43
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KartikPrabhu the demo does not have very short page though
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aaronpk click the button and it does
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aaronpk "Toggle Contents"
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KartikPrabhu oh toggle I see
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KartikPrabhu yeah weird....
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KartikPrabhu maybe philip is using the cross-browser thinga in the NOte
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aaronpk yeah and i've been trying some of that too
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KartikPrabhu anyway. this is not really crucial UX so you can let it fallback to the non-sticky version
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KartikPrabhu good to know this. I wanted this for my notes which are sometime very short
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aaronpk it's pretty important for me
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aaronpk having the background continue past the bottom of the page is super ugly
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KartikPrabhu it is ugly, but still functional so I wouldn't be concerned
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aaronpk ooh i think i got it
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aaronpk argh no now it starts just under the viewport
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aaronpk I don't know why this is so important to me lol
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KartikPrabhu :)
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aaronpk okay something weird is happening. i'm trying out other versions of "sticky footer" hacks and getting similar results
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aaronpk there must be something about the rest of my CSS that's causing it
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aaronpk okay it's definitely something in semantic-ui.css causing this
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aaronpk oho! it was the height:100% on the html tag that was breaking it
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KevinMarks what did it break?
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tantek.com edited /NYC (+115) "2016 IWC is upcoming" (view diff)
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tantek IndieWebCamp NYC Lanyrd page is up: http://lanyrd.com/2016/indiewebcampnyc/
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tantek.com edited /2016/NYC (+94) "/* RSVP */ copy some to be added from /2015/SF" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2016/NYC/Guest_List (+378) "two days, comment checkmark, organizers, add co-organizer Lara from Mozilla" (view diff)
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Loqi [indienews] New post: https://snarfed.org/global-webmention-service http://news.indiewebcamp.com/en/snarfed.org/global-webmention-service
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petermolnar !tell GWG I've spent a few hours on trying to morph the current webmentions plugin into what I believe could be async on receiving, but it uses a different logic from what I need, so it seems I'm about to write a another-webmentions-plugin for wp :/ not ideal, but I have no better way so far
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@offrayLC @mbauwens we could start by owninig our data with the #IndieWeb http://indiewebcamp.com/ and taking back data from silos to #DataCommons (twitter.com/_/status/685803397111492608)
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sandro loqi?
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sandro Loqi, tell sandro this works
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@mbauwens RT @offrayLC: start by owninig our data with the #IndieWeb http://indiewebcamp.com/ and taking back data from silos to #DataCommons (twitter.com/_/status/685837543749844992)
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@commonssibi RT @mbauwens: RT @offrayLC: start by owninig our data with the #IndieWeb http://indiewebcamp.com/ and taking back data from silos to #DataCo… (twitter.com/_/status/685843651381964800)
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@pierreozoux RT @mbauwens: RT @offrayLC: start by owninig our data with the #IndieWeb http://indiewebcamp.com/ and taking back data from silos to #DataCo… (twitter.com/_/status/685846804726943746)
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@IndieHosters RT @mbauwens: RT @offrayLC: start by owninig our data with the #IndieWeb http://indiewebcamp.com/ and taking back data from silos to #DataCo… (twitter.com/_/status/685846804823453696)
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@ledouarec RT @mbauwens: RT @offrayLC: start by owninig our data with the #IndieWeb http://indiewebcamp.com/ and taking back data from silos to #DataCo… (twitter.com/_/status/685850217443373056)
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GWG petermolnar: How did you account for everything?
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Loqi GWG: petermolnar left you a message 7 hours, 22 minutes ago: I've spent a few hours on trying to morph the current webmentions plugin into what I believe could be async on receiving, but it uses a different logic from what I need, so it seems I'm about to write a another-webmentions-plugin for wp :/ not ideal, but I have no better way so far http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-09/line/1452328287744
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@textformer I just registered for IndieWebCamp Nuremberg 2016 https://ti.to/tollwerk/indiewebcamp-nuremberg-2016 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/685853013664206849)
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aaronpk aaaand just like that the original method I was trying (with flexbox) works now that I turned off html{ height: 100% }
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aaronpk i think i'm going to stick with the flexbox method because it doesn't rely on specifying a height for the footer block
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aaronpk [shaners]: I like your footer block, I'm going to take some ideas from there!
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[shaners] :+1::skin-tone-2::+1::skin-tone-2: take away. All ideas are wild and free. :grin:
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[shaners] Aaronpk but pay no mind to the as- classes. Those are going away.
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aaronpk ah I wasn't looking at the markup, just the content
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[snarfed] morning all!
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GWG Good morning, snarfed.
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[snarfed] if anyone's interested in tackling a little new side project, feel free to check out https://snarfed.org/global-webmention-service
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[snarfed] inspired by our discussion of google news/alerts, grep.io, and superfeedr tracking feeds yesterday
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GWG snarfed, both petermolnar and I are looking at something that might interest you.
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[snarfed] new webmention plugin?
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GWG Well, more async webmention plugin
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GWG The current plugin does not adopt that recommendation of the spec.
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[snarfed] right, and that seems totally ok to me
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GWG It's such a big change in behavior.
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GWG Which, trying to see if async is possible, or not having it?
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[snarfed] making per-site wm handlers async seems like a low priority to me compared with lots of other things we could be working on
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GWG I'm contemplating it. I haven't written anything. I have so many other things on my list.
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[snarfed] prioritizing++
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Loqi prioritizing has 3 karma
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GWG But I do think if there is an attempt to get webmentions as a feature plugin, it should be written up to full specification. petermolnar did suggest it as one.
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GWG Also with vouch
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aaronpk are css sprites still a thing?
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[snarfed] eh. again, it's only a recommendation, not a requirement. i think it's useful for some implementations, but not necessarily all
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[snarfed] and vouch is an entirely optional extension
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[snarfed] it'd be good to have more implementations of it though!
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GWG I'm just thinking about the complaints given about pingback and trackback. To overcome that, you need to show a robust protection built in
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GWG snarfed, let's say, hypothetically, a man came up to you and said... "Webmention, that just sounds like a pingback. What's the difference?" What would you say?
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GWG Not on a technical level, but..why is this better than what I have?
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GWG I want to be able to say...it's better because it has better DDOS protections, it has an optional system to protect from SPAM, so on.
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[snarfed] eh. it's useful to us right now without either of those
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[snarfed] if you're talking about getting it into wp core, then you're right, it probably needs async
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GWG But because of it being a mechanism for delivering other types of information. You could deliver that information with a pingback.
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[snarfed] but we don't :P
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GWG The WordPress REST API took 2 years to get into core.
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GWG Getting it on the proposals for a feature plugin is only an endorsement that if we did the work, it could be in Core.
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[snarfed] ok. I'm not familiar with the wp core processes. apart from them, though, i just wouldn't personally prioritize async in wp wm plugins
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[snarfed] that's just me though!
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GWG I'm only pondering anyway. Not sure I'm going to do anything but gauge interest on the WordPress side.
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GWG But you can't add a possible userbase the size of WordPress to a system without the protection.
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GWG In the interim, I have...venues as custom taxonomy metadata, micropub, some syndication links work, etc.
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[snarfed] ooh syndication links support for pages! :P
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GWG My plan with Syndication Links is a minor rewrite to add some features and refine some code, because I still haven't decided if I'm going to split the plugin as suggested. For now, I'm just going to make the instructions better. But I intend to fix all issues.
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[snarfed] thanks again btw for continuing to work on so much WordPress stuff, GWG! we're lucky to have you here. you contribute a lot of value to this community.
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GWG I appreciate the appreciation. Wish I was a better programmer. Some of this stuff would be better at the outset. But it is at least iterating.
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GWG Right now, I'm really curious about taxonomy term meta and if it will work for venues, which I had previously envisioned as WordPress pages.
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GWG I am really tempted to make this my project for IWC NYC.
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GWG I tried checkins at IWC Cambridge, but it fizzled out
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matrrix aaronpk_: I have a bunch of webmentions seemingly stuck between bridgy and webmention.io again :-( http://notes.whatthefuck.computer/1451896320.0-note.html for example should have quite a few according to bridgy, but none are returned
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