#indiewebcamp 2016-01-10

2016-01-10 UTC
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[snarfed] starting to play with telegraph. it's pretty substantial!
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[snarfed] aaronpk nice work!
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[snarfed] aaronpk++ that is
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Loqi aaronpk has 45 karma
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aaronpk cool! thanks!
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[snarfed] just to confirm, the find links part doesn't have an api right now, right?
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[snarfed] i may file a feature request for that
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aaronpk hmm no it doesn't but that wouldn't be hard to add
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aaronpk I didn't have a use case for it which is why I didn't add it
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aaronpk oh yeah haha it'd be super trivial to add, since right now the "dashboard" page makes an ajax call to find the links so it's actually already returning it as JSON in a separate route
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[snarfed] nice! my use case is, I'd like to give it a source page and a target domain, and have it send wms to every link on that domain
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[snarfed] with that, i could implement https://snarfed.org/global-webmention-service with zero code
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[snarfed] just superfeedr -> zapier -> telegraph
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[snarfed] i think
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aaronpk oh! interesting!
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aaronpk I made the UI have buttons to send a webmention for each link found on the page because from what i've seen in practice you don't actually want to webmention *every* link on the page, just some of them.
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aaronpk but adding the constraint of every link on a given domain seems reasonable!
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[snarfed] right. for interactive, the current design is totally right
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[snarfed] want a GH issue? or no need?
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aaronpk yes please!
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[snarfed] will do
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GWG What is the best example of a venue people have?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "best example of a venue people have" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10B2
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GWG I looked at the ones on the wiki, but...I'm not sure I feel inspiration
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aaronpk is there going to be any harm in putting rel=me links on every page on my site? I'm adding it to my global footer
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[shaners] Aaronpk I've had my rel-me links in my global footer for years. I haven't had any troubles.
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tantek aaronpk - rel=me links to where? inside your site or to other sites?
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aaronpk tantek: my rel=me "elsewhere" links
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tantek huh - I suppose they're harmless because you won't ever be linking back to them
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tantek but some consuming code does use one-way rel=me links from personal sites to silo profiles, so that might cause some false positives
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aaronpk (sneak peak: http://7c80887b.ngrok.com/2016/01/03/11)
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tantek that's a lot of elsewhere!
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aaronpk haha yeah!
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tantek wait appdotnet also has a heart icon?
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aaronpk i link to almost all of those from my home page right now
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tantek so they had that before indie (the site/company) did?
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tantek note to self, don't ship a product / company with yet another heart icon as its primary icon
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aaronpk oh dear haha. is that a heart? it could also be a "v"
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tantek it looks like a small grey heart icon yes
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aaronpk https://alpha.app.net/favicon.ico
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tantek and there's gratipay also with a heart
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tantek sheesh
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aaronpk so Peach is interesting because it doesn't have a timeline, the main screen is a list of all your friends and shows the last thing they posted
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ben_thatmustbeme gah, can't sleep
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme: tantek left you a message 1 day, 23 hours ago: let's solidify IWC MIT in March too! re: https://twitter.com/myriadmystic/status/685310358911713280 http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-07/line/1452233063019
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GWG Hi, ben_thatmustbeme
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ben_thatmustbeme hi GWG
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek libreplanet is sat/sunday that weekend in march?
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tantek I believe so
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ben_thatmustbeme i'm even more in favor of mon/tuesday then
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tantek do you plan on going to libreplanet?
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ben_thatmustbeme last year it was switched and i think F2F was Mon/Tue and IWC was Wed/Thu
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ben_thatmustbeme me, no, but i'd like to not overlap with it as i know others do want to go to it
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tantek there is definitely something to be said for having IWC beforehand to get more indieweb stuff working to demo at SocialWG
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ben_thatmustbeme i know Fri/Sat works better for GWG though
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GWG I'm not the only person to consider.
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ben_thatmustbeme have we heard from rhiaro on it?
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rhiaro doesn't mind when
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Loqi rhiaro: tantek left you a message 1 day, 23 hours ago: let's solidify IWC MIT in March too! re: https://twitter.com/myriadmystic/status/685310358911713280 http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-07/line/1452233063019
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GWG You all decide, and I'll see what I can do.
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ben_thatmustbeme well i'll say monday
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ben_thatmustbeme monday/tuesday that is
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ben_thatmustbeme sorry GWG
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: I'm waiting for the day I am independently wealthy and can spend my days attending conferences of all sorts.
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GWG Except I didn't buy a lottery ticket.
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aaronpk gotta make your own lottery
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GWG aaronpk: I do what I can. But independently wealthy doesn't seem in the cards.
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tantek plus Gregorian pi day!
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@krautsource I just registered for IndieWebCamp Nuremberg 2016 https://ti.to/tollwerk/indiewebcamp-nuremberg-2016?utm_content=buffer3e303&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer (twitter.com/_/status/686092113621155840)
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@rrrrrrrix (Neat, in-reply-to works with my #IndieWeb notes generator) (twitter.com/_/status/686093497380638720)
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: want to reach out to cassie and ask her what she thinks of those IWC MIT dates? https://twitter.com/myriadmystic/status/685310358911713280
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@myriadmystic @t when do you think iwc mit might get solidified? i’m coming into town again for libreplanet, def for iwc too, but need plane tix :) (twitter.com/_/status/685310358911713280)
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@jkphl RT @krautsource: I just registered for IndieWebCamp Nuremberg 2016 https://ti.to/tollwerk/indiewebcamp-nuremberg-2016?utm_content=buffer3e303&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer (twitter.com/_/status/686107654624788484)
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@jkphl @krautsource Cool, dass du dabei bist! Magst du dich nich auf https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg/Guest_List eintragen? Ich kann gerne dabei helfen! :) (twitter.com/_/status/686108301466152960)
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Loqi [bridgy] Dominic Grzbielok replied '@jkphl Danke fürs Angebot! Als N00b habe ich es hoffentlich dennoch geschafft :)' to a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg/Guest_List (https://twitter.com/krautsource/status/686155469354864640)
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Loqi [bridgy] Joschi Kuphal 吉 replied '@krautsource Astrein, Aufnahmeprüfung bestanden! Dann ist auf dem Camp der nächs...' to a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg/Guest_List (https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/686157057121193989)
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@aaronpk @myriadmystic @t We're deciding between 3/14-3/15 vs 3/18-3/19 right now. Your opinion would be appreciated! http://indiewebcamp.com/2016/#MIT (twitter.com/_/status/686211841165365248)
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Loqi [mention] Aaron Parecki commented '@myriadmystic @t We're deciding between 3/14-3/15 vs 3/18-3/19 right now. Your o...' on a post that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2016/#MIT (http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2016/01/10/1/indiewebcamp)
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sensible.mn edited /Planning (+107) "/* MIT */" (view diff)
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aaronpk I think that's enough votes to call 3/14-3/15
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Loqi [bridgy] cassie replied '@aaronpk @t thanks! i hacked together an ugly response on the planning page :-)' to a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/2016/#MIT (https://twitter.com/myriadmystic/status/686218091257147392)
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petermolnar 'evening
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GWG Evening
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tantek good day #indiewebcamp!
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tantek aaronpk: agreed
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tantek now to see if we can get an organizer on the line
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aaronpk I will try to get a hold of sandro tomorrow to book space
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tantek.com edited /Planning (+37) "/* MIT */ 3-14..15 very likely! pending venue confirmation" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk: shall we call it IndieWebCampPi since it is 03.14..15?
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aaronpk haha
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tantek being at MIT on Gregorian pi day should be pretty entertaining
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voxpelli 'evening everyone
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voxpelli anything fun happened in the last few months? been very disconnected from the indiewebby world :/
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@srbanister Der @jkphl organisiert das IndieWebCamp Nuremberg 2016. Lasst uns da treffen! http://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg/Guest_List #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/686264341356789760)
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tantek voxpelli: welcome back and lots yes!
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voxpelli tantek: thanks! will probably be about a month before I'll be able to catch up :/
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kylewm voxpelli: some good stuff on /2016-01-01-commitments
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voxpelli kylewm: ah, right, will check that one out!
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tantek voxpelli: were you around for the surge of /person-tag development & deployment? like with Bridgy silo.pub etc.?
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tantek also - renewed interest in /video now that we figured out how to post .mp4 files that work cross-browser cross-platform
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tantek and lastly, some recent experimentation and interest with /read posting, text-first design, and even POSSEing (silo.pub support to Goodreads).
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voxpelli tantek: can't remember being so, I think person-tags is one of the major things I still need to take a look at before I can do a full proper SWAT0
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tantek voxpelli: which player? A, B, or C?
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voxpelli tantek: in first stage A and B, but have some other plans that may get me to C as well eventually ;)
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[dariusdunlap] Updated Square Peg Foundation website yesterday (squarepegfoundation.org), and now hooking up IndieWeb stuff to it, and to dariusdunlap.com
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tantek different requirements for each: https://indiewebcamp.com/SWAT0#implementation_requirements
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@jkphl RT @srbanister: Der @jkphl organisiert das IndieWebCamp Nuremberg 2016. Lasst uns da treffen! http://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg/Guest_List #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/686266994556014593)
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@tollwerk RT @srbanister: Der @jkphl organisiert das IndieWebCamp Nuremberg 2016. Lasst uns da treffen! http://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg/Guest_List #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/686266994644107264)
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tantek dariusdunlap++ awesome!
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@nueww RT @srbanister: Der @jkphl organisiert das IndieWebCamp Nuremberg 2016. Lasst uns da treffen! http://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg/Guest_List #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/686270486142148608)
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GWG tantek: Did you get an equipment status from MozNYC?
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tantek GWG what are the specific questions?
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GWG Surge protectors, extension cords, and a screen for presentation
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tantek can you add those to the organizer to do list? I'll check on it next time I'm in touch with Lara
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GWG tantek: How many simultaneous tracks do you think we'll have?
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tantek hmm this Wikipedia page looks like it could use some help in terms federated web sites https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federation_%28information_technology%29
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GWG I need to know how many recording machines I need to get set up.
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tantek GWG - another good question to add re: # of rooms, capacity of each etc.
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GWG Done
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[dariusdunlap] Indieweb update for squarepegfoundation.org: Twitter webmention is up and running. https://brid.gy/twitter/SquarePegRanch#
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GWG petermolnar: I was thinking about our chat. I have 2 ideas.
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petermolnar listening
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GWG 1. A webmention and pingback plugin for WordPress that uses webmention.io.
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GWG 2. I'd like to see that code you were working on.
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petermolnar the first one is a good idea, some might like to outsource webmentions
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petermolnar 2.nd I'm heavily working on it, and apart from the receiving a mentions (target, source), adding a note to the post to process it and start the processor from cron I'm not done with anything, so it's not in working shape yet
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petermolnar but I'll push it to github is you're interested
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petermolnar it does borrow code from the current webmention plugin sometimes, but I'm going to add the semantic linkbacks functionality built-in
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aaronpk re: #1, webmention.io provides a web hook now so you wouldn't even have to have the plugin do any polling
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petermolnar GWG: https://github.com/petermolnar/wp-webmention-again
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kylewm aaronpk: mightn't that be a pretty big load on webmention.io?
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aaronpk if it's a plugin? i dunno
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aaronpk I might request the plugin include a donation link in the admin interface :-)
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tantek yeah that's a good idea
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tantek now does that link go directly to a specific payment provider or would it go to a /payment page that has various providers?
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aaronpk also it should definitely have a config option to point it at a custom instance of webmention.io
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tantek and would you implement a custom /payment/nn page for automatically prefilling all your payment links with nn $?
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aaronpk hehe I like these ideas
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tantek I should add that to /payment
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Loqi agreed.
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tantek :)
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aaronpk i should make a payment page for the p3k.io hosted services
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Loqi it is probable
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[snarfed] GWG: instead of a WP webmention.io plugin, should we maybe instead work on a way to migrate mentions from there into the existing WP plugins?
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tantek that page needs some cleanup
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kylewm [snarfed]: would your Superfeedr -> Telegraph idea work with IFTTT? You mentioned Zapier, I wondered if there was a reason it wouldn't work for the other one
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[snarfed] kylewm: i looked, i don't think so
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aaronpk IFTTT tends to be more bizdev driven and less hackable
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[snarfed] zapier will work with the wmio target domain feature
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aaronpk for example, here's something you can't do on IFTTT https://zapier.com/zapbook/zaps/1676/post-information-from-a-webhook-through-a-new-webhook/
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petermolnar is there a donation link for bridgy?
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[snarfed] right
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[snarfed] especially the arbitrary param making
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petermolnar the wp bridgy publish could add the link there as well
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[snarfed] er mapping
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aaronpk petermolnar: https://brid.gy/about#cost
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petermolnar I'm aware
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petermolnar but I know that bridgy is growing
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[snarfed] petermolnar: donate PRs!
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[snarfed] (and thank you for the thought regardless!)
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kylewm aaronpk: even with https://ifttt.com/maker?
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aaronpk oh interesting, that's new
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aaronpk i had to go through SO MANY HOOPS to get IFTTT to send my withings data to my website
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kylewm mapkyca had the wildest hack for sending webhooks through IFTTT
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aaronpk Withings -> IFTTT -> Gmail -> gmail filter -> Postfix server -> HTTP
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aaronpk weird limitation of IFTTT is you can only have *one* gmail account configured, so you can't even have a trigger send an email to any other email address
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kylewm https://www.marcus-povey.co.uk/2012/11/07/using-webhooks-with-ifttt-com/
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kylewm ew, that's obnoxious (the gmail thing)
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aaronpk oh yeah this web hook thing should work
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aaronpk which actually means i can use the "maker" channel to make IFTTT send micropub requests
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tantek.com edited /payment (+1261) "clean up examples headings a bit, add brainstorming with explicit payment page, /10 option" (view diff)
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GWG aaronpk: I think many people would want local hosting, and many people would want you do handle it.
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GWG I think both options are viable.
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tantek aaronpk: captured: https://indiewebcamp.com/payment#Brainstorming
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GWG Sorry for the delay there. Pidgin randomly crashed
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aaronpk GWG: yes definitely, just saying it should support other hosts and not just be hard-coded to webmention.io. but as a default that's fine!
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tantek is there a verb for "make a video call"?
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tantek I think "call" usually means / assumes audio only by default
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aaronpk facetime? ;-)
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tantek lol
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tantek ok
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aaronpk this is kind of great https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1594/24300432875_d9ac88a6cf_b.jpg
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aaronpk kylewm++
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kylewm wow, so can I do OwnYourGram with just IFTTT?
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aaronpk ha! yes
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[snarfed] aaronpk: just like zapier!
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tantek well, slowly
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aaronpk oh yeah ifttt is still limited to the 15 minute polling they do
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tantek IFTTT has a non-trivial latency from what I've seen on other people's sites
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aaronpk although right now ownyourgram is broken for half the people using it
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kylewm no custom request headers in IFTTT
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aaronpk instagram stopped sending me web hooks for an arbitrary subset of users
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aaronpk kylewm: yeah your micropub endpoint would have to accept the access token in the post body
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singpolyma Hey all! Does indieauth spider any levels? Ie: can I do <a href="/contact" rel="me>... and have that work?
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aaronpk singpolyma: I don't know of any implementations that do that yet
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singpolyma hmm
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tantek aaronpk: I think that's an FAQ
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singpolyma that's unfortunate
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aaronpk yeah, it just unfortunately adds a lot to the implementation to actually do that properly
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tantek besides, silo profiles are "contact", they're "elsewhere"
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tantek e.g. a Twitter *contact* URL should link directly to the URL to DM you
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tantek whereas a Twitter relmeauth/indieauth URL is a link to your Twitter profile
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tantek so they're not the same thing
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tantek aaronpk, URL verbs captured for contact purposes: https://indiewebcamp.com/communication#Verb_redirect_URLs
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kylewm ages ago when I tried it, IFTTT had a non-trivial latency even with superfeedr
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tantek what is IFTTT
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Loqi IFTTT is an abbreviation for IF This Then That, and is a spof for performing (semi?)-automated actions using feeds https://indiewebcamp.com/IFTTT
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kylewm spof--
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Loqi spof has -1 karma
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kylewm why is it more of a SPOF than anything else?
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aaronpk that sounds like an old dfn to me
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tantek kylewm: because it is so popular?
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tantek and not open source
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tantek adding
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kylewm going to find something to 'gram
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kylewm to test this :)
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tantek aaronpk, kylewm big update ^^^ feel free to tweak as you see fit.
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aaronpk I will add my example of using IFTTT to post weight from my withings scale :)
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aaronpk now that I can do it via micropub!
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singpolyma oh man, I just found http://indieauth.id.cweiske.de/ yay!
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Loqi yay!
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tantek cweiske++ has done some pretty awesome stuff with indieauth
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[snarfed] kylewm: zapier does custom request headers
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kylewm I wonder if I can send a feature request to them
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aaronpk it's called the "maker" channel so they would likely be willing to add the header option
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kylewm whoaaaaa it worked on the first try!
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kylewm seems like it was pretty instant too
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tantek interesting, maybe instant to startup and then slower later?
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kylewm huh could be, will have to try it out for a while
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KevinMarks re indiewebcampPi, pi to 5 figs is 3.1416
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aaronpk or you got lucky with the polling interval
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KevinMarks so it is US ordered gregorian pi day
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kylewm also ISO 8601
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kylewm (the 03-14 part at least :)
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kylewm (does anyone else always imagine Jean Valjean singing "ISO 8601")
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[snarfed] kylewm++
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kylewm :D
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[shaners] What is Dark Matter?
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[shaners] Loqi?
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Loqi :)
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Loqi Dark Matter is a personal publishing platform project (created with Ruby on Rails) by Shane Becker and Bookis Worthy https://indiewebcamp.com/Dark_Matter
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[shaners] What is Homesteading?
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Loqi Homesteading was the name of Shane Becker's project which was renamed to Dark Matter https://indiewebcamp.com/Homesteading
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[shaners] You the best, Loqi!
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@DarkMatterAppCo Dark Matter is a personal publishing platform for the #indieweb. Built on @Rails and easily deployable on @Heroku. http://darkmatterapp.com (twitter.com/_/status/686313306072547328)
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@JosephCaudle RT @DarkMatterAppCo: Dark Matter is a personal publishing platform for the #indieweb. Built on @Rails and easily deployable on @Heroku. h… (twitter.com/_/status/686313887939989504)
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[shaners] So. I’ve renamed Homesteading to Dark Matter. Obviously. :point_up_2::skin-tone-2:
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@jkphl @diplix Gerade deinen Talk über's #indieweb gesehen! Nicht mal Lust auf ein @indiewebcamp, mit @aaronpk und anderen? https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg (twitter.com/_/status/686317724599975938)
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[snarfed] shaners++
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[snarfed] just watched an instagram video inside my feed reader mobile app thanks to kylewm's work on granary and https://instagram-atom.appspot.com/ a while back
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[snarfed] kylewm++ yay!
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Loqi [mention] felix schwenzel commented 'hört sich interessant an und wenn ich schin gefragt werde, sage ich eindeutig: d...' on a post https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg/Guest_List (https://wirres.net/article/articleview/9099/1/54/)
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GWG Anyone do movie or book reviews on their site?
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