#indiewebcamp 2016-01-12

2016-01-12 UTC
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tantek sonicrocketman: where are you based?
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sonicrocketman San Diego, CA
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tantek nice! It would be great to organize a meetup down there!
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GWG Good evening
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snarfed evening
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GWG What is going on, snarfed?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "going on, snarfed" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10B3
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GWG When will I ever learn?
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snarfed heh
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tantek can't wait for Loqi to start answering "When" questions :D
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tantek When is the next IndieWebCamp?
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tantek When is IndieWebCamp?
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Loqi IndieWebCamps are brainstorming and building events where IndieWeb creators gather semi-regularly to meet in person, share ideas, and collaborate on IndieWeb design, UX, & code for their own sites https://indiewebcamp.com/indiewebcamp
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tantek aww come on
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tantek When is Homebrew Website Club?
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Loqi Homebrew Website Club is a bi-weekly meetup of people passionate about or interested in creating, improving, building, designing their own website, in the same structure as the Homebrew Computer Club meetings https://indiewebcamp.com/Homebrew_Website_Club
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tantek sigh
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GWG What is snarfed?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "snarfed" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10B4
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tantek When is IndieWebCamp NYC?
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GWG I thought it had that one already
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GWG What is tantek?
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Loqi Tantek Çelik is the co-founder of IndieWebCamp and works on open web standards at Mozilla https://indiewebcamp.com/Tantek
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GWG But it doesn't known snarfed?
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GWG Hmm....
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aaronpk nobody is perfect
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snarfed meh https://indiewebcamp.com/User:snarfed.org is enough
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tantek snarfed is /User:snarfed.org
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loqi.me created /snarfed (+29) "prompted by GWG https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-11/line/1452558819918 and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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snarfed aww
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snarfed :P
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snarfed interesting, discovered a new (to me) http status code from github: 422 Unprocessable Entity
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snarfed evidently tries to distinguish 400 to roughly "syntax error" and 422 to "bad value"
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snarfed meh
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kylewm WTB: a command line tool that generates app keys and secrets for any OAuth provider
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kylewm I loathe generating them on all these different services
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mblaney I always contemplate how to add redundancy when there's hardware problems in my server's data center...
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mblaney anyone do anything specific in that regard?
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mblaney !tell bear does your devops support cover how to keep a site up if your server provider has hardware problems?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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tantek what is redundancy?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "redundancy" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10B6
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[snarfed] mblaney: no service provider is perfect, but most will generally do better at uptime long term than hosting yourself (at whichever level of the stack you're thinking)
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[snarfed] unless you're an ops professional, at least... and often even then
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[snarfed] redundancy is interesting (google "RAIC"), but generally even a single host will get you 99%+, which is good enough for most personal web sites
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[snarfed] and adding some extra layer is as likely to add as many problems as it solves
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[snarfed] CDNs are probably the exception; they're fairly mature
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mblaney thanks snarfed
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mblaney yes it's more that when a site is down, I can't stop thinking about how I could improve things...
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mblaney ie at the moment I have automated backups, I rsync my web directories,
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mblaney if I could temporarily switch a site to a new IP address I would probably do that as I have multiple servers.
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mblaney I guess that's what a load balancer would do for you :-)
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KartikPrabhu mblaney: how often has your site gone down due to server outage?
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[snarfed] mblaney: a static fallback could serve you well. cloudflare is good at that
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[snarfed] alternatively, if you have multiple servers ready, just stick all the IPs in your DNS and let that load balance for you
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mblaney snarfed are you saying if my servers were actually duplicates of each other, it wouldn't matter which one someone was sent to?
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mblaney I think I would still have coherency problems because I don't have static sites.
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mblaney KartikPrabhu I have multiple sites, some of them have gone down for a day once a year, some never.
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mblaney sorry I feel like this may be off topic for indieweb because some of these sites I run for other people
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KartikPrabhu hmmm i have had almost 0 downtime due to server. any downtime is due to my code errors
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mblaney who do you host with?
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KartikPrabhu webfaction
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KartikPrabhu shared server
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KartikPrabhu my only point is if you want a backup site then it might be better to have it be static rather than dynamic
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mblaney yeah I guess that's what snarfed was saying
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KartikPrabhu yes
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mblaney I run dynamic sites for people so I guess that won't work.
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tantek dang
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kylewm that's too bad
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kylewm cweiske++ good looking out
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Loqi cweiske has 42 karma
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KartikPrabhu1 a commentary on social media to promote another social media silo: https://blog.this.cm/i-drew-a-bunch-of-dots-to-explain-why-social-media-is-broken-97725e2f0cc4#.sonadbmiy
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@SUSELinux_fr RT @jkphl: is extremely happy to announce that @openSUSE will sponsor the @indiewebcamp #Nuremberg 2016 📅 Details TBA shortly 👉 https://t.c… (twitter.com/_/status/686814821061378048)
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@flano_yuki Webmention https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/ w3cから何か新しいdraftがでてる。あとでよむ (twitter.com/_/status/686818458831486976)
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@screengui_de »Rise of the IndieWeb« von @pfefferle – die Titelgeschichte der Screenguide 26 – könnt ihr jetzt auch online lesen. http://screengui.de/26/indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/686824379347546112)
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@pfefferle RT @screengui_de: »Rise of the IndieWeb« von @pfefferle – die Titelgeschichte der Screenguide 26 – könnt ihr jetzt auch online lesen. https… (twitter.com/_/status/686824952784355329)
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@weyandch RT @screengui_de: »Rise of the IndieWeb« von @pfefferle – die Titelgeschichte der Screenguide 26 – könnt ihr jetzt auch online lesen. https… (twitter.com/_/status/686825225791647744)
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@textformer RT @screengui_de: »Rise of the IndieWeb« von @pfefferle – die Titelgeschichte der Screenguide 26 – könnt ihr jetzt auch online lesen. https… (twitter.com/_/status/686826033992044544)
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@ChristophKappes »Rise of the IndieWeb« von @pfefferle http://screengui.de/26/indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/686826539577675776)
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@jkphl RT @screengui_de: »Rise of the IndieWeb« von @pfefferle – die Titelgeschichte der Screenguide 26 – könnt ihr jetzt auch online lesen. https… (twitter.com/_/status/686827646718730240)
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@tollwerk RT @screengui_de: »Rise of the IndieWeb« von @pfefferle – die Titelgeschichte der Screenguide 26 – könnt ihr jetzt auch online lesen. https… (twitter.com/_/status/686827646790057984)
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@inallermunde_de RT @screengui_de: »Rise of the IndieWeb« von @pfefferle – die Titelgeschichte der Screenguide 26 – könnt ihr jetzt auch online lesen. https… (twitter.com/_/status/686828325730447360)
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@justjns RT @screengui_de: »Rise of the IndieWeb« von @pfefferle – die Titelgeschichte der Screenguide 26 – könnt ihr jetzt auch online lesen. https… (twitter.com/_/status/686828383708250112)
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@mattesmattes RT @ChristophKappes: »Rise of the IndieWeb« von @pfefferle http://screengui.de/26/indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/686829136954941440)
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@ya_f CURLable : “(...) and receive back HTML with visible contents.” https://indiewebcamp.com/curlable?utm_content=buffer6d5b2&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer (twitter.com/_/status/686831760076845056)
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@dobeho Das klingt durchaus interessant: "Rise of the IndieWeb" http://screengui.de/26/indieweb via @nuzzel (twitter.com/_/status/686844958708400128)
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@btconf Don't forget to get a free ticket for the #indiewebcamp before #btconf in May if you are interested and got your #btconf ticket already. (twitter.com/_/status/686848232341811200)
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@henrik_schlegel Sehr cool und interessant das #IndieWeb. Sinn ist, Daten, die man in Sozialen Netzwerken teilt, selbst zu besitzen.. http://screengui.de/26/indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/686854952908636160)
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@webklicks RT @henrik_schlegel: Sehr cool und interessant das #IndieWeb. Sinn ist, Daten, die man in Sozialen Netzwerken teilt, selbst zu besitzen.. h… (twitter.com/_/status/686855512558813188)
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@workingdraft RT @btconf: Don't forget to get a free ticket for the #indiewebcamp before #btconf in May if you are interested and got your #btconf ticket… (twitter.com/_/status/686867332174622721)
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@adactio Brighton Homebrew Website Club is your website’s new year’s resolution: https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-01-13-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/686870051383808000)
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petermolnar wheeee, my alternative, async webmentions plugin appears to be working \o/ https://github.com/petermolnar/wp-webmention-again
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petermolnar and it supports reacji as comment type
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petermolnar !tell GWG I got https://github.com/petermolnar/wp-webmention-again working
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@huffduffer ☞ Tantek Çelik - The once and future IndieWeb https://huffduffer.com/neil/291153 (twitter.com/_/status/686905557635219456)
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Jeena a lonish german article about the IndieWeb http://screengui.de/26/indieweb
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@BurDhar "The black bird sings" #writersofinstagram #poetrycommunity #poetryinmotion #indieauth http://www.aliexpress.com/af/category/7.html?aff_platform=promotion&sk=7MR7u3rRf%3A&cpt=1452608395555&aff_trace_key=cdc85f5c733241eba251b65850661c75-1452608395555-04342-7MR7u3rRf https://twitter.com/girlgetzbizzy/status/686915306871128064 (twitter.com/_/status/686915512673013763)
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@w3c First Public Working Drafts: Webmention; Social Web Protocols https://www.w3.org/blog/news/archives/5268 (twitter.com/_/status/686921883380527104)
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@the__himanish RT @w3c: First Public Working Drafts: Webmention; Social Web Protocols https://www.w3.org/blog/news/archives/5268 (twitter.com/_/status/686922607308836864)
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@AlvaroMunoz RT @w3c: First Public Working Drafts: Webmention; Social Web Protocols https://www.w3.org/blog/news/archives/5268 (twitter.com/_/status/686923069751955457)
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@ArsalanAKhan World Wide Web Consortium (W3C): First Public Working Drafts: Webmention; Social Web Protocols https://www.w3.org/blog/news/archives/5268?pk_campaign=feed&pk_kwd=first-public-working-drafts-webmention-social-web-protocols (twitter.com/_/status/686923199641194496)
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@_public_netizen RT @w3c: First Public Working Drafts: Webmention; Social Web Protocols https://www.w3.org/blog/news/archives/5268 (twitter.com/_/status/686923566735060992)
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@LukasRosenstock "Twitter Isn’t Raising the Character Limit. It’s Building a Wall.": http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2016/01/05/twitter_isn_t_raising_the_140_character_limit_it_s_building_a_wall.html?utm_content=bufferf3b52&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/686923882436116480)
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@offyourleash Decentralised social networking. W3 releases working drafts for Webmention & Social Web Protocols https://www.w3.org/blog/news/archives/5268 #www #socialmedia (twitter.com/_/status/686924760521900034)
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@IgiFischer RT @w3c: First Public Working Drafts: Webmention; Social Web Protocols https://www.w3.org/blog/news/archives/5268?pk_campaign=feed&pk_kwd=first-public-working-drafts-webmention-social-web-protocols&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter #Internet (twitter.com/_/status/686924807586197504)
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@Goldnetonline RT @w3c: First Public Working Drafts: Webmention; Social Web Protocols https://www.w3.org/blog/news/archives/5268 (twitter.com/_/status/686924926893318144)
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@CEEKTechnology RT @w3c: First Public Working Drafts: Webmention; Social Web Protocols https://www.w3.org/blog/news/archives/5268 (twitter.com/_/status/686925047336943621)
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cweiske wtf webmention on w3.org? https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/
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@gorocube First Public Working Drafts: Webmention; Social Web Protocols: The Social Web Working Group has published two ... https://www.w3.org/blog/news/archives/5268?pk_campaign=feed&pk_kwd=first-public-working-drafts-webmention-social-web-protocols (twitter.com/_/status/686926315371417605)
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@DCS_RSS First Public Working Drafts: Webmention; Social Web Protocols: The Social Web Working Group has published two ... https://www.w3.org/blog/news/archives/5268?pk_campaign=feed&pk_kwd=first-public-working-drafts-webmention-social-web-protocols&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (twitter.com/_/status/686926318190002176)
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@roandry First Public Working Drafts: Webmention; Social Web Protocols: The Social Web Working Group has published two ... https://www.w3.org/blog/news/archives/5268?pk_campaign=feed&pk_kwd=first-public-working-drafts-webmention-social-web-protocols&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (twitter.com/_/status/686929562962247680)
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@azu_re そんなのあるんだ "First Public Working Drafts: Webmention; Social Web Protocols - W3C News" https://www.w3.org/blog/news/archives/5268?pk_campaign=feed&pk_kwd=first-public-working-drafts-webmention-social-web-protocols (twitter.com/_/status/686929962922672128)
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snarfed released granary v1.2! https://github.com/snarfed/granary#changes , https://pypi.python.org/pypi/granary/1.2.0
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@yuichigrut Daily Pickup : First Public Working Drafts: Webmention; Social Web Protocols https://www.w3.org/blog/news/archives/5268?pk_campaign=feed&pk_kwd=first-public-working-drafts-webmention-social-web-protocols - via: W3C N… https://www.w3.org/blog/news/ (twitter.com/_/status/686946661596282880)
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@dret sad to see that the new @w3c "Webmention" ignores @theiana #RFC 5988 registry for link relations on the web. time to sort this out, fellas. (twitter.com/_/status/686947950015074306)
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aaronpk kylewm: that's called "dynamic registration" and there is a draft of a spec for that in OAuth
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petermolnar I think we have too many pages related to wordpress in the wiki
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petermolnar in theory I'll have a little time during the weekend to clean it up a little
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GWG petermolnar: I'm curious how you would clean it
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Loqi GWG: petermolnar left you a message 4 hours, 18 minutes ago: I got https://github.com/petermolnar/wp-webmention-again working http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-12/line/1452601412277
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petermolnar GWG we don't need 3 or 4 pages do describe the same plugins
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aaronpk wikigardening++
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GWG It was impossible when it was one page, but I agree it needs cleaning again
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petermolnar aaronpk you just gave me a startup idea wikigrrdening.com :)
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aaronpk a..startup?
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petermolnar 'we'll clean your wiki!' /s
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aaronpk lol
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petermolnar GWG question: I was thinking to make it possible to reply to an incoming reply via a local comment, but it seems to be tricky
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petermolnar I'd need to do a url for a single comment to make it a h-entry
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petermolnar and right now it doesn't seem to be done before
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petermolnar any ideas?
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petermolnar I might have an idea
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@VinAndella First Public Working Drafts: Webmention; Social Web Protocols #w3 https://www.w3.org/blog/news/archives/5268?pk_campaign=feed&pk_kwd=first-public-working-drafts-webmention-social-web-protocols (twitter.com/_/status/686955854122242048)
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@TechAlliances RT @w3c: First Public Working Drafts: Webmention; Social Web Protocols https://www.w3.org/blog/news/archives/5268 (twitter.com/_/status/686956732715679744)
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GWG I thought that pfefferle had webmentions for comments as a github repo
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GWG Wordpress is also looking to give comments a permalink. There's a ticket
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petermolnar GWG it might not be what I want
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petermolnar I want to add the option that if I response to an incoming webmention with a comment, the plugin should send a mention back to the parent comment's origin url without anything else I need to do
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petermolnar as for comment permalinks by WP it's about time...
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GWG It might be a starting point
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@luiggino_om RT @w3c: First Public Working Drafts: Webmention; Social Web Protocols https://www.w3.org/blog/news/archives/5268 (twitter.com/_/status/686972131083718656)
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tantek nice
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snarfed fwiw, wordpress comments have had permalinks with fragments forever
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GWG The replycom ones?
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snarfed i'm guessing this change just gives them fragmentless permalinks. still valuable, of course.
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snarfed GWG: i don't know what replycom is
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GWG Isn't that the query variable?
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snarfed i don't know about the internal wp code; i'm just talking about the user-facing feature
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GWG https://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/34106
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snarfed right, that's the ticket to add fragmentless permalinks
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GWG Which is what I was mentioning. Il
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GWG Right now, the permalinks are very fragile.
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snarfed i see the fragility arguments in that ticket, but i don't entirely buy them
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snarfed his example uses paginated comment urls, which is very unusual
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snarfed the common case doesn't have that. e.g. https://snarfed.org/2015-12-07_bridgy-stats-update#comment-2595413
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GWG I agree to a point, but still welcome the change
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snarfed sure!
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petermolnar permalink fragments are only available if you display the posts on the comment page
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petermolnar currently it's not possible to have a single page for the comment
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snarfed right. that's the main value this would add
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snarfed thinking about using fragment to identify a specific mf2 item on a page (for eg webmention, etc) reminds me of https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/445
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GWG petermolnar, what are you going to say at the feature chat?
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petermolnar GWG I've postponed the idea of pushing the plugin for now
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petermolnar I need to understand better what the requirements/expectations for a featured image are
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GWG I just wanted to see if people are amenable to it being in Core.
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GWG Gauge the temperature
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ben_thatmustbeme cool
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ben_thatmustbeme woops, wrong room
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GWG We are not cool?
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GWG petermolnar, maybe a ticket to gauge interest?
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ben_thatmustbeme GWG / petermolnar is this about webmention?
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GWG Yes, as a feature plugin for WordPress. Feature plugins are core elements in training
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ben_thatmustbeme webmention made it to WD in W3C https://www.w3.org/TR/webmention/
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ben_thatmustbeme definitely worth bringing up
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ben_thatmustbeme either way, it would be nice to get them looking at the draft and see if there are any feedback on it
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snarfed wow, interesting FB notification: "X, Y, and Z are interested in going to an event near you later today."
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anarchivist hiya - just found out about the next indiewebcamp nyc
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petermolnar ben_thatmustbeme thank you for the reacji recogniser tool
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anarchivist i signed myself up via the wiki - anything else i should know?
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aaronpk anarchivist: welcome!
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petermolnar I've added it to https://github.com/petermolnar/wp-webmention-again
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anarchivist aaronpk: thanks! :)
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ben_thatmustbeme cool
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ben_thatmustbeme glad to see someone else using it
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aaronpk anarchivist: signing up on the wiki is great! next step: show up! :D
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aaronpk and feel free to hang out here too
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anarchivist that should be easy enough, i hope ... :P
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ben_thatmustbeme petermolnar++
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Loqi petermolnar has 12 karma
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ben_thatmustbeme reacji, woo
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anarchivist aaronpk: do you have a sense whether ownyourgram is impacted by the recent API/policy changes at instagram? https://www.instagram.com/developer/changelog/
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aaronpk i've been meaning to read up on that
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aaronpk i'm going to have to change the name
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@lehors RT @w3c: First Public Working Drafts: Webmention; Social Web Protocols https://www.w3.org/blog/news/archives/5268 (twitter.com/_/status/686996137845243904)
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aaronpk "valid use cases" include: "to help individuals share their own content with 3rd party apps"
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anarchivist i have colleagues who've been working on an instagram harvester as part of a social media archiving project (https://github.com/NCSU-Libraries/lentil), and it seems like the changes will make probably make it impossible for their project to have new adopters
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aaronpk that makes sense
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aaronpk ownyourgram is different because each person is opting in to have their photos saved to their own site
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anarchivist right, exactly - which i think they'd be interested in as well, but i'm not sure what their use cases are at the moment
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snarfed here's our brief investigation of the instagram changes for granary and instagram-atom: https://github.com/snarfed/granary/issues/65
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anarchivist here's another discussion, from instafeed.js, which is all client side: https://github.com/stevenschobert/instafeed.js/issues/345
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@aaronpk Happy to announce the W3C Social Web Working Group published the First Public Working Draft of the Webmention spec! https://www.w3.org/TR/webmention/ (twitter.com/_/status/686998035889455104)
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tantek nice
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@HongPong RT @aaronpk: Happy to announce the W3C Social Web Working Group published the First Public Working Draft of the Webmention spec! https://t.… (twitter.com/_/status/686998119502970880)
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@indiewebcamp RT @aaronpk: Happy to announce the W3C Social Web Working Group published the First Public Working Draft of the Webmention spec! https://t.… (twitter.com/_/status/686998299744665600)
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@kylewmahan RT @aaronpk: Happy to announce the W3C Social Web Working Group published the First Public Working Draft of the Webmention spec! https://t.… (twitter.com/_/status/686998305398599681)
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@scottjenson RT @aaronpk: Happy to announce the W3C Social Web Working Group published the First Public Working Draft of the Webmention spec! https://t.… (twitter.com/_/status/686998348608360448)
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@davidmead RT @aaronpk: Happy to announce the W3C Social Web Working Group published the First Public Working Draft of the Webmention spec! https://t.… (twitter.com/_/status/686998417973850112)
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aaronpk apparently I forgot to leave room for "RT @aaronpk: " in there :)
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snarfed anarchivist aaronpk: sadly both people in that thread who submitted their IG apps for approval got rejected. eg https://github.com/stevenschobert/instafeed.js/issues/345#issuecomment-166828706
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tantek aaronpk: noob authoring move there, doesn't your CMS auto-warn you that your tweet is not retweetable? ;)
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aaronpk good feature request
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tantek (without dataloss)
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tantek goodness that was one of the first things I implemented in Falcon ;)
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tantek there's functions in cassis.js just for that!
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tantek (I think KevinMarks is using them in noterlive also)
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aaronpk snarfed: oh dear
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snarfed confused. they stopped adding actual 'RT @username' text a while ago, right?
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@codebear RT @aaronpk: Happy to announce the W3C Social Web Working Group published the First Public Working Draft of the Webmention spec! https://t.… (twitter.com/_/status/686998947345338368)
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aaronpk snarfed: the API and plaintext version still include it
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aaronpk you don't see it on the website of course
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snarfed aaronpk: oh sure. i just meant that it now longer applies to the 140 char limit for authoring
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snarfed so i don't quite get the problem
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sonicrocketman @Loqi that's awesome! Thanks for sharing
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snarfed regardless, doesn't matter, ignore me
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aaronpk look at the above RTs
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aaronpk the link is cut off because it overflowed the 140 char limit
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snarfed ah right, if you're imposing a 140 char limit yourself, outside of twitter
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snarfed maybe just don't do that? :P
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@indiewebcamp RT @adactio: Brighton Homebrew Website Club is your website’s new year’s resolution: https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-01-13-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/686999348899516417)
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aaronpk no, that's from the twitter api
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aaronpk if you look at the retweet ID in the API you'll see it gets cut off
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snarfed ohh i see. yeah you don't want to use the RT's own text from the API, you want to construct the text from the inner (retweeted) tweet
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snarfed anyway
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snarfed guess i'm more advocating against caring about it in authoring tools, like tantek mentioned
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snarfed rendering is different
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aaronpk this is coming from the streaming API, but yeah I'm not handling RTs specially
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tantek snarfed, same problem in anyone that gets tweets by SMS
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snarfed (afaik the tweet object schema is the same in streaming and rest apis)
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tantek it's extra work to go get the original retweet ID, and text
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tantek there's plenty of code that does "dumb" (as in simple) things with tweets like this that is vulnerable to this
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snarfed for API clients, you don't need a separate fetch, the original tweet and its text are included in the RT object
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snarfed regardless, agreed, simple/dumb code produces simple/dumb results
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@anarchivist signed up for @indiewebcamp NYC. suddenly missing have conversations with @edsu where we push on simplicity. (twitter.com/_/status/687000662601809920)
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KartikPrabhu loqi messages?
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aaronpk they don't include an example of what that looks like https://dev.twitter.com/rest/reference/get/statuses/show/%3Aid
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Loqi dude
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snarfed aaronpk: https://dev.twitter.com/overview/api/entities-in-twitter-objects#retweets
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aaronpk ah
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snarfed example consuming code: https://github.com/snarfed/granary/blob/master/granary/twitter.py#L948
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tantek aaronpk, wow I'm seeing a promoted tweet that has nothing to do with your tweet on your permalink: https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/686998035889455104
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@aaronpk Happy to announce the W3C Social Web Working Group published the First Public Working Draft of the Webmention spec! https://www.w3.org/TR/webmention/ (twitter.com/_/status/686998035889455104)
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tantek from Bloomberg BNA
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aaronpk i've been seeing those too!
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snarfed tantek: yup, the mobile apps have been doing that for a while now
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tantek *** 2015-03-02 *** <--- old too!
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tantek so useless
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aaronpk apparently you can buy keywords now
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aaronpk and get your tweets to show up on other tweets
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KartikPrabhu urrgh!
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tantek but what keyword did they buy for your tweet?!?
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KartikPrabhu hehe Adblock also blocks the promoted tweet! ;)
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@kevinmarks RT @aaronpk: Happy to announce the W3C Social Web Working Group published the First Public Working Draft of the Webmention spec! https://t.… (twitter.com/_/status/687002552962039808)
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[kevinmarks] noterlive uses cassis.js to estimate the twitter count, and to show a preview (which involved me ganking their CSS form an iframe)
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[kevinmarks] if you want to lift it for your client side app, feel free
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[kevinmarks] https://github.com/kevinmarks/noterlive/blob/master/web/index.html#L104
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[kevinmarks] https://github.com/kevinmarks/noterlive/blob/master/web/index.html#L311 is the ganked twitter layout
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[kevinmarks] the slightly proken h-entry markup is from twitter
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kylewm finally figured out that stray request to mf2 with rascul's url is from people spidering http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-11-17#t1416243702608
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aaronpk lol crazy
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@efexen This looks pretty interesting: Webmention W3C First Public Working Draft - https://www.w3.org/TR/webmention/ (twitter.com/_/status/687010976294670337)
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snarfed think of the internet and HTTP requests like background radiation in cosmology
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snarfed there's a steady low level hum of bots, spiders, malware, and pure randomness
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@cstanhope RT @aaronpk: Happy to announce the W3C Social Web Working Group published the First Public Working Draft of the Webmention spec! https://t.… (twitter.com/_/status/687011164681719808)
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snarfed doesn't mean anything more :P
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kylewm and we can tell how old the internet is by how much the random noise has dissipated?
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kylewm or am I stretching the analogy too far
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KartikPrabhu sidenote: background radiation in cosmology is still very very useful ;)
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snarfed as are these requests!
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snarfed just to a very small niche audience (e.g. security researchers), not to avg developers like us
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[shaners] What does TR mean in W3 context? (And CR, etc.) Is there a glossary of abbrevs somewhere?
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tantek what is a W3C TR?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "W3C TR" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10B7
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tantek W3C TR is an abbreviation for the World Wide Consortium's Technical Reports, which consist of various levels of specifications (from working draft to recommendation), and other non-spec publications such as notes.
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loqi.me created /W3C_TR (+240) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-12/line/1452631474691 and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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tantek *Web
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tantek.com edited /W3C_TR (+36) "Web, see also standards" (view diff)
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tantek what is a W3C CR?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "W3C CR" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10B8
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KartikPrabhu what is W3C?
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tantek A W3C CR is a Candidate Recommendation produced by a World Wide Web Consortium working group.
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Loqi The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) is an international standards organization for the world wide web http://indiewebcamp.com/W3C
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loqi.me created /W3C_CR (+118) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-12/line/1452631590313 and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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[shaners] What is W3?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "W3" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10B9
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tantek.com edited /W3C_TR (+14) "linky w3c" (view diff)
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tantek shaners where did you see W3 by itself?
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[shaners] W3 is /W3C
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loqi.me created /W3 (+16) "prompted by [shaners] https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-12/line/1452631636163 and dfn added by [shaners]" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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tantek not exactly, but frequently
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tantek w3.org is /W3C
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KartikPrabhu i don't think W3 is used by itself, is it?
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tantek it's not
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[shaners] Here and there. (Not in this conversation.)
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[shaners] I’m very surprised that w3c.org doesn’t redirect to w3.org.
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tantek.com edited /W3C_CR (+96) "linky w3c, see also" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /World_Wide_Web_Consortium (+16) "prompted by gRegorLove and dfn added by gRegorLove" (view diff)
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aaronpk it does for me
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tantek me too
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KartikPrabhu me 3
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aaronpk looks like it does for we 3 ;)
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brandonrozek What is W3C PR?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "W3C PR" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10BB
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brandonrozek W3C PR is a Proposed Recommendation produced by a World Wide Web Consortium working group
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loqi.me created /W3C_PR (+116) "prompted by brandonrozek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-12/line/1452631885975 and dfn added by brandonrozek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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brandonrozek Might as well add the others
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@anarchivist @edsu yeah! that would be fun. i've been trying to spitball some indiewebcamp-ish IIIF projects about image sharing (twitter.com/_/status/687014252356460549)
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[shaners] Weird. Now it does for me too. Must’ve mistyped something somehow. :shrug:
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[shaners] We3 is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We3
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@edsu @anarchivist :-) I wish I could join you at @indiewebcamp NYC. (twitter.com/_/status/687013171308146688)
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@AppraisalSAA signed up for @indiewebcamp NYC. suddenly missing have conversations with @edsu where we push on simplicity. (twitter.com/_/status/687017292786356224)
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hillelarnold.com edited /2016/NYC/Guest_List (+324) "/* RSVPs */ adding name" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /procrustean (+191) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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tantek how many implementations of webmention are there?
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tantek q+ to note we should cite empirical atlernatives to incubation rather than aspirational alternatives to incubation ;)
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tantek oops wrong room
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tantek hmm I think https://indiewebcamp.com/webmention#IndieWeb_Examples needs subheads for people / CMS
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petermolnar tantek how about optional block on the person page which gets included in pages like this?
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petermolnar eg. {{tantek}} would have a block of 'implementation:webmention' and [[webmention]] would pull it in?
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petermolnar although this sounds a but too far stretched for a wiki
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tantek petermolnar - not sure I understand - could you demonstrate with your User: page?
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aaronpk whoa interesting idea
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aaronpk actually really easy to do that with wiki categories
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aaronpk add [[Category:implementation/webmention]] on a user page and then there'd be a page that lists everyone that has that category
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petermolnar.eu edited /User:Petermolnar.eu (+630) (view diff)
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petermolnar tantek: https://indiewebcamp.com/User:Petermolnar.eu#implementations
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petermolnar each === [[ ]] === under the == implementations == points to a page; that page could call back to for these blocks to include in it's contents
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aaronpk petermolnar: i don't think there's a built-in way to do that in mediawiki is there?
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petermolnar I have no idea, I barely ever touched mediawiki
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aaronpk ah. let me demonstrate with categories
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aaronparecki.com created /Category:implementation/webmention (+74) "Created page with "The people listed below have implemented [[webmention]] on their websites."" (view diff)
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aaronpk http://indiewebcamp.com/Category:implementation/webmention
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gRegorLove Don't think there's a built-in way to do that. I like the category idea though
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aaronpk you lose the ability to add details about the implementation though, unless you describe it on your user page
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gRegorLove Categories can have hierarchy, too. Perhaps Category:Implementations => Category:Webmention_Implementations
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aaronpk good point
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aaronpk i think there's a way to show a category list on another page too, so this list could be embedded in the webmention page
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petermolnar I think describing the implementation on the user page is ok
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gRegorLove Dynamic Page List MediaWiki plugin: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DynamicPageList_(Wikimedia)
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aaronparecki.com deleted /Category:implementation/webmention "move"
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aaronparecki.com created /Category:Webmention_Implementations (+75) "Created page with "The people listed below have implemented [[webmentions]] on their websites."" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /Webmention (+67) "/* Implementations */ add category list" (view diff)
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aaronpk it works http://indiewebcamp.com/Webmention#Implementations
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tantek wat
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aaronpk that dynamicpagelist one might be nicer
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tantek loses date order
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tantek.com edited /Webmention (+1132) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ subheads for everyone!" (view diff)
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tantek kept both
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tantek note what I did differently - I put people's names and what "implementation" they are using
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petermolnar.eu edited /User:Petermolnar.eu (-238) (view diff)
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tantek to make it easier to count sites vs. code
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tantek plus this list looks much more impressive: https://indiewebcamp.com/Webmention#Overview
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tantek.com edited /Webmention (-67) "/* Implementations */ -dup" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /Webmention (+41) "/* gRegor Morrill with Nucleus CMS plugin */ Noted now ProcessWire" (view diff)
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gRegorLove Nice, I hadn't noticed the subhead updates there.
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petermolnar.eu edited /User:Petermolnar.eu (+45) (view diff)
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petermolnar.eu edited /Webmention (+236) "/* IndieWeb Examples */" (view diff)
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gRegorLove {{PAGESINCAT:Webmention_Implementations}} might be useful though, if we just want to promote the minimum number of known implementations.
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gRegorLove GWG: Your avatar in /Template:gwg appears to be broken
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gRegorLove bear: Are you still working on webmention XMPP notifications? Skimming through /webmention
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GWG <insert sigh here>