#indiewebcamp 2016-01-13

2016-01-13 UTC
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snarfed
GWG i always love your inscrutable IRC messages :P
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GWG
snarfed: In the old days, I used to slap people with a large trout.
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GWG
The mIRC days
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GWG
snarfed: Come to IWC NYC later this month. I can inscrute in person
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snarfed
heh, thanks, wish i could!
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bear
gRegorLove - yes, I get all of my notifications that way
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Loqi
bear: mblaney left you a message 22 hours, 21 minutes ago: does your devops support cover how to keep a site up if your server provider has hardware problems? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-11/line/1452564544961
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bear
!tell mblaney qualified yes - meteor from the sky, no; anything else, maybe
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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gRegorLove
gives GWG a sigh
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gRegorLove
As in, hands you one. Not sighing *at* you.
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tantek
did he use all his up?
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gRegorLove
He <insert sigh here>'d earlier
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GWG
tantek: I've been sighing a lot lately.
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GWG
I need an Indiewebcamp to raise my hopes before they are broken up on the rocky shore of reality.
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@lukaszwozinski
First Public Working Drafts: Webmention; Social Web Protocols https://www.w3.org/blog/news/archives/5268
(twitter.com/_/status/687077249036763136)
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GWG
So, I was asking this the other night, but I'm thinking, now that there is a working draft, of filing a ticket for WordPress, and proposing at some point in the future webmentions might be included in core.
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GWG
Why should people want webmentions?
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GWG
I'm still on that question
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KartikPrabhu
Why do you want webmention?
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singpolyma
I want the semantic linkback stuff (scraping ufs at the same time as checking the mention truly links) -- which can be done with any of the protocols anyway
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singpolyma
webmention is just yet another thing to implement
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Loqi
gives singpolyma the semantic linkback stuff
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KartikPrabhu
singpolyma: other protocols do not ask you to scrap. webmention does and that is the main difference
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singpolyma
pingback does ask you to, and it's the only real contender anymore (others never forbid you from scraping, but whatever, pingback mostly killed other contenders)
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KartikPrabhu
was going to do that ^
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singpolyma
I totally get that webmention is simpler than pingback, but it's not simpler for me because I have to implement both anyway
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singpolyma
just more work
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gRegorLove
There apparently is no longer a #Why on /Webmention. Hm.
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GWG
KartikPrabhu: I want it for the same reason as singpolyma, but arguably, that could be done with pingback
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GWG
I'm asking at a lower level.
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GWG
The structures we've built with webmention could be done with pingback.
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KartikPrabhu
GWG: "could be" but haven't
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KartikPrabhu
I could do a lot of things
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GWG
What inherently makes webmentions worth doing? By themselves, without what could be built on top of them?
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singpolyma
KartikPrabhu: untrue. the wordpress semantic linkback, etc, plugins work with pingback even if you don't have the webmention plugin
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KartikPrabhu
GWG: what makes webmention inherently worth doing for you?
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GWG
KartikPrabhu: If I have a spoon, and someone offers me a spork....I could use both of them to eat food. What makes the spork better?
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singpolyma
and the Linkback plugin in GNU Social also supports it with both
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KartikPrabhu
what makes the spork better for you?
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GWG
My argument was async and vouch, actually. Except I have neither of those
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KartikPrabhu
GWG: you can do those with pigback too
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singpolyma
and should
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KartikPrabhu
just like you can distribute content with pdfs but you use HTML
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KartikPrabhu
"you can do that with XYZ" is a very useless argument
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singpolyma
those are pretty fundamentally different
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KartikPrabhu
singpolyma: if I want people to read what I write, I can do it with PDFs and mostly I do with academic papers.
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singpolyma
webmention adds nothing to pingback, it just uses a different HTTP body encoding. a better one, to be sure, but pingback already has a lot of penetration and webmention has almost none so I have to build both, which is not very harmful and mostly annoying
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gRegorLove
I use webmention.io to convert pingback to webmention.
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KartikPrabhu
singpolyma: don't use webmention if it is annoying and more work
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gRegorLove
so my webmention plugin only needs to support *sending* pingback as a fallback
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singpolyma
KartikPrabhu: have to, because some indieweb stuff only supports webmention :)
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gRegorLove
Different HTTP encoding + lack of XML
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KartikPrabhu
singpolyma: then there is your reason
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KartikPrabhu
you want sites to communicate with each other. For newer sites webmention is easier to implement etc...
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GWG
So, the answer is that it is an updated version of pingback using a simpler transport method?
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singpolyma
GWG: same transport, simpler data encoding
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gRegorLove
Yes. That's in the opening paragraph of /Webmention
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singpolyma
or... shorter encoding anyway. complexity of two fields can't be reduced by much ;)
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GWG
I want to be prepared to make this argument
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KartikPrabhu
IMO much easier to parse mf2 than XML
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singpolyma
KartikPrabhu: webmention does not use mf2. it uses x-www-form-urlencoded
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singpolyma
which is easier to parse than xml if you don't have a library, for sure
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singpolyma
though in practise you use a library for both
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gRegorLove
GWG: Yeah, updated version of pingback. Easier to implement. Easier to test.
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KartikPrabhu
I know. I mean't after the notification. If you want to parse mf2 with pingback sure go for it
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KartikPrabhu
do there exists forms to send pingbacks?
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KartikPrabhu
probably not.
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singpolyma
KartikPrabhu: like, generic ones? I don't know. I could make one pretty quick
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KartikPrabhu
even building a UI for webmention sending is easier
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KartikPrabhu
singpolyma: go for it if you want to use it. I'll stick with webmention-forms
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singpolyma
I would have no reason to use it. Everything I use supports pingback already
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KartikPrabhu
again "I could do it with XYZ" is fine. Maybe "XYZ" is not so easy for people just starting out
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gRegorLove
I don't know if the Pingback spec says anything about async processing. Webmention spec strongly recommends it, as a SHOULD, which is good for preventing DoS
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singpolyma
this is not an "I could" but an "everyone already does". I'm fine to implement webmention and every other NIH competitor necessary, because I can, it's just more work is all
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gRegorLove
So another possible advantage
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KartikPrabhu
singpolyma: I did not have.
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singpolyma
I'm not arguing that pingback is better, only that it's already deployed everywhere
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KartikPrabhu
making a new website it was easier to build webmention.
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KartikPrabhu
"everyone" rarely equals everyone
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singpolyma
Sure. My webmention implementation probably took a few fewer minutes than the pingback one too. I'm not saying it's not a little better, it is
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singpolyma
gRegorLove: need a webmention.io in reverse to proxy webmention sending to pingback, then could only implement it once in both directions
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gRegorLove
What is Telegraph?
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Loqi
Telegraph is an open source API and service for sending webmentions, part of the p3k suite https://indiewebcamp.com/Telegraph
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gRegorLove
Telegraph does, it appears https://telegraph.p3k.io/api
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gRegorLove
Perhaps /Pingback should be updated to suggest Telegraph
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gRegorLove
I like Pingback "How do I implement receiving?" "First, don't bother with XML-RPC."
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tantek
the first indieweb distributed comments used pingback+h-entry+h-card
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tantek
go look it up
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gRegorLove
I remember that. I was excited to get my first webmention plugin done and then realized I had to support sending pingback to comment on that first federated comments post :)
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tantek
so there is some "here's what you should do once you get and verify a webmention" that we should document
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GWG
tantek: In the draft spec?
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tantek
no I mean it exists as a best practice
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tantek
and we should spec it
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GWG
I was thinking of writing a...Fun Things to Do with Webmentions section...sort of a...see the potential
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tantek
Webmention best practices
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fnordle
Anyone know why the unicode iconography on indiewebcamp.com/principles won't render for me? I'm on Iceweasel (Firefox) on Debian and rarely have this problem on modern sites. See https://imgur.com/UymHr7S
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fnordle
The links appear to misbehave as well. For example, clicking the icon next to "Build tools for yourself" redirects me to the "Exercise" page. The "Open source your stuff" icon redirects to the "Love" page. The three icons that /do/ render appear to function properly.
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singpolyma
fnordle: hmm. icons render for me in abrowser on trisquel
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fnordle
hmm w3m (command-line browser) renders identically
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fnordle
must be lack of a font..
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KartikPrabhu
those links are going to the right place then
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: should the icons on the /principles page be linked!?
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KartikPrabhu
they are really confusing. see preceding discussion
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tantek
those are emoji
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KartikPrabhu
yes but when they don't load/render they lead to confusion
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tantek
their rendering may be platform font / browser support dependent
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tantek
we can fix the links
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singpolyma
fnordle: oh. install ttf-ancient-fonts
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: should I just remove the links to the pages then?
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tantek
nah, we should fix them!!!
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tantek
what's this "remove" you speak of?
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tantek
we don't shy away from broken things, we fix them.
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: the emojis are linked to the wiki pages about the emoji.
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tantek
that sounds like a tautology
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tantek
so we should figure out if the emojis should link to different pages
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fnordle
ttf-ancient-fonts fixed it. Thanks singpolyma.
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KartikPrabhu
the emoji with the hearts links to /love which is fine, but then it sits in front of a paragraph where the link to /love seems out of context
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fnordle
can confirm that proper rendering of icons has no effect on link resolution
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fnordle
a "Love" page with Rick Astley lyrics looks like spam
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KartikPrabhu
fnordle: it is an inside joke here
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KartikPrabhu
what is love?
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tantek
that's not Rick Astley
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fnordle
possibly showing my age..
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fnordle
:)
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fnordle
The page leaves me more confused than I feel it should.
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KartikPrabhu
fnordle: what are you trying to do?
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fnordle
Kartik: I'm looking to IndieWebify myself
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KartikPrabhu
what is indiewebify?
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fnordle
and want to document the process
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Loqi
Indiewebify.me is a service that checks how "indie web" your site is and reports back its results https://indiewebcamp.com/indiewebify
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fnordle
oh..
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fnordle
what are microformats?
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Loqi
microformats are extensions to HTML for marking up people, organizations, events, locations, blog posts, products, reviews, resumes, recipes etc https://indiewebcamp.com/microformats
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KartikPrabhu
yes that should tell you steps to setup a indiwebsite. Are you having trouble with it?
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[aaronpk]
Wait why do the emoji on /principles link to the emoji pages? That's weird
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[aaronpk]
I never even noticed they were links
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KartikPrabhu
because the emoji displayed for you (and I) and we assumed they were icons for decoration
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KartikPrabhu
fnordle: feel free to ask questions here if you have trouble with the "indiewebification"
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fnordle
thnx
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fnordle
curious..
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fnordle
just checked the irc log on the website and see aaronpk talking but don't see him in my IRC client
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tantek
aaronpk feel free to unlink them until we sort out which emoji should link where etc.
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fnordle
sorry must be me
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KartikPrabhu
fnordle: that is strange
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KartikPrabhu
do some IRC clients not like the brackets around names?
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KartikPrabhu
fnordle I am going to test that
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[Kartik]
did you get this message fnordle?
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fnordle
yes
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[Kartik]
ok weird
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fnordle
my irssi isn't scrolling properly
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fnordle
I'm new to IRC. anyone here using irssi?
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kartikprabhu.com
edited /principles (-48) "unlinked emojis until we sort out which emoji should link where etc."
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[aaronpk]
I use weechat, kind of like irssi
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fnordle
thanks i'll check it out
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@WordPressTTT
New #WPtrac > https://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/35435 > Ticket #35435 (Support Webmentions) created #WordPress
(twitter.com/_/status/687146745449574400)
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GWG
I figured...what the heck
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GWG
It will take them 11 years to look at the ticket
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@brianjesse
Happy to announce the W3C Social Web Working Group published the First Public Working Draft of the Webmention spec! https://www.w3.org/TR/webmention/
(twitter.com/_/status/687181723268849664)
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@nhoizey
Yeaaaah, Webmention arrive enfin en First Public Working Draft, ça va lui donner de la visibilité ! https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/
(twitter.com/_/status/687218194730254337)
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@hail2u_
Webmention仕様読むぞ
(twitter.com/_/status/687220778081726464)
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@iamtzi
Yeaaaah, Webmention arrive enfin en First Public Working Draft, ça va lui donner de la visibilité ! https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/
(twitter.com/_/status/687221087290142720)
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@AntBogarin
"Webmention is a simple way to notify any URL when you link to it on your site." #seo https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/
(twitter.com/_/status/687223474679603200)
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@antoinentl
Yeaaaah, Webmention arrive enfin en First Public Working Draft, ça va lui donner de la visibilité ! https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/
(twitter.com/_/status/687228906085191680)
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tommorris.org
edited /2016/NYC/Guest_List (+250) "/* RSVPs */ adding myself and partner +1"
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tommorris
so, yeah, NYC here we come
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tommorris
hmm, no minor edits propagating in here?
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tommorris
hoping I might have ferocity2 stuff to show at IWC-NYC
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@nsteinmetz
Yeaaaah, Webmention arrive enfin en First Public Working Draft, ça va lui donner de la visibilité ! https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/
(twitter.com/_/status/687258345066082304)
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@W3CSverige
Nya Working Drafts: sociala webben ... ”Webmention”; ”Social Web Protocols”. Se http://www.w3c.se/news-archive/2016/01.html#item3051
(twitter.com/_/status/687261751151357953)
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@bigmeatynyas1
Nya Working Drafts: sociala webben ... ”Webmention”; ”Social Web Protocols”. Se http://www.w3c.se/news-archive/2016/01.html#item3051
(twitter.com/_/status/687262327599661056)
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petermolnar
I finally finished reading backlog
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petermolnar
!tell singpolyma pingbacks _were_ are widely supported. Nowadays they are widely ignored or considered spam. It'd need additional magic to support types - like, fav, reply, repost, etc -, and by a short research, none blogger or blogspot supports it (any more?). The support you're referring to is long gone, maybe except for WordPress where it's ignored.
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@LukasRosenstock
Have you seen my "Social Web Vendor Diversity Challenge"? If not, check it out here: https://lukasrosenstock.net/post/66967056 #SocialMedia #IndieWeb
(twitter.com/_/status/687286259618856961)
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@jgarber
Happy to announce the W3C Social Web Working Group published the First Public Working Draft of the Webmention spec! https://www.w3.org/TR/webmention/
(twitter.com/_/status/687307187924938752)
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@myriadmystic
plane tickets to boston acquired! #libreplanet2016 and #indiewebcamp mit, here we go!
(twitter.com/_/status/687315583260479488)
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@roomthily
having a think about w3c things & what an IndieSciWeb would look like... new potential spec: https://www.w3.org/TR/webmention/
(twitter.com/_/status/687316077773074432)
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kylewm
petermolnar++ good points about pingback
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Loqi
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aaronpk
petermolnar++ yes!
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Loqi
petermolnar has 14 karma
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tantek
tommorris coming to NYC! Yes!
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tantek
GWG++ for a very well written ticket https://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/35435
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Loqi
GWG has 139 karma
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aaronpk
GWG++ very nice
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Loqi
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GWG
tantek: Which puts me back at how to design a webmention system for WordPress. I'm aware of the fact that pfefferle already did that, but it needs certain things if it is going to work in core.
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petermolnar
GWG check my code, it might help
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GWG
petermolnar: I did.
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raucao
nice work on the webmention draft!
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petermolnar
and apart from being a mess, is it any help? :)
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GWG
petermolnar: Parts of it. There are parts I'm not sure I like.
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petermolnar
please be more specific, I'm open for changes
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GWG
petermolnar: For example, I was thinking about custom comment statuses this morning.
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GWG
petermolnar: The async problem could be addressed by adding the webmention to the comment table with a status of 'queued' or such, if support existed for that. Then the cron job would work off of comments of that status.
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GWG
That would address incoming.
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petermolnar
that is similar to what I did, but indeed better
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GWG
The problem is a new comment status is a core issue
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petermolnar
is anything using the karma field currently?
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GWG
And would possibly run up against the spam fighting tools that do their checks before the comment is inserted.
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petermolnar
or comment_type incoming, unapproved
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petermolnar
change type according to fetched result
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petermolnar
not that's not enough
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GWG
petermolnar: So, all core changes.
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GWG
petermolnar: That's why this requires a lot of thought. The existing webmentions plugin and the one you are playing with can't think about changing core functions. But a feature plugin should be thinking about whether or not that is a good idea.
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GWG
petermolnar: And changing core functions gets into the WordPress philosophy of backward compatibility.
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petermolnar
comment_approved is a varchar(20)
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petermolnar
in theory, we could add other states
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@tamuwww
Happy to announce the W3C Social Web Working Group published the First Public Working Draft of the Webmention spec! https://www.w3.org/TR/webmention/
(twitter.com/_/status/687324467392045056)
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GWG
petermolnar: Correct. But look at wp_set_comment_status
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petermolnar
does it have filters/hooks?
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GWG
But it doesn't have to be used.
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petermolnar
it can be circumvented
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petermolnar
which is not the best
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petermolnar
but since it uses a wpdb->update
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GWG
petermolnar: Exactly.
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petermolnar
I won't feel guilty
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GWG
But that is a bigger conversation
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@dret
proposing to register "webmention" https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/ in the RFC 5988 link type registry. please voice support. https://github.com/aaronpk/webmention/issues/29
(twitter.com/_/status/687333204882096128)
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@LukasRosenstock
I coined the "Social Web Vendor Diversity Challenge", and here's the sites and apps I use: https://lukasrosenstock.net/post/67007256 #SocialMedia #IndieWeb
(twitter.com/_/status/687333881989693441)
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GWG
Who implements asynchronous processing of webmentions right now?
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aaronpk
as does webmention.io
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snarfed
bridgy doesn't
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snarfed
(publish only half counts, but blog webmentions fully count)
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GWG
I am trying to come up with a design for doing that. I am not prepared to build it yet, but want to have the proposal ready,since I opened the ticket.
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snarfed
GWG: sounds like you already came up with a design and proposed it to petermolnar earlier
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GWG
snarfed, I am refining it. I have to pour through built in Wordpress functions to figure out what to integrate.
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GWG
Right now, I am trying to figure out status pages
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GWG
Do people see utility from queued webmention status pages?
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kylewm
GWG: yes, absolutely
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gRegorLove
GWG: I do async
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gRegorLove
But I don't do status pages yet.
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GWG
How long do you queue your webmentions?
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aaronpk
i don't understand the question
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GWG
The specification states that they should be processed asynchronously.
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aaronpk
not sure I understand what the "how long" part of the question is
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snarfed
that doesn't imply a delay before processing, just that returning the HTTP response doesn't block on processing
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GWG
I'm wondering if anyone adds a deliberate delay to the processing.
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snarfed
doubtful
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aaronpk
ah, no I try to process it as soon as it's added to the queue
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snarfed
usually the constraint is on processing rate, eg people will process them one at a time (or n at a time)
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GWG
That is what I wanted to know.
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gRegorLove
GWG: I use a "lazy" cron that triggers after page loads. It runs ~30 seconds and processes 5 at a time.
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snarfed
more importantly though, these are implementation details. afaik the spec doesn't say anything about any of this
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GWG
gRegorLove, not dissimilar to how Wordpress cron works
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GWG
snarfed, I am working on a design for a core implementation in my head. I want to have every major implementation detail thought out.
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gRegorLove
It's set that way since I'm distributing the plugin and ProcessWire has that built-in lazy cron and not everyone can run cronjobs. I will likely set up an actual cron on my site eventually, though.
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kylewm
ben_thatmustbem had an intentional delay (5 minutes?) IIRC
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aaronpk
I thought that was just his cron job interval
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gRegorLove
Sorry, the lazy cron interval is 1 minute, not 30s
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GWG
It may just be my fwa
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GWG
fear that the Wordpress core team will be hard on me.
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gRegorLove
I think 1 or 5 minutes is a reasonable default
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snarfed
GWG++ for pushing on wp core
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Loqi
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aaronpk
snarfed: btw I fixed the RTs showing up here to pull the text from the original tweet :D
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snarfed
aaronpk++ cool!
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Loqi
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@acka47
Webmention working draft published by @w3c. A "simple way to notify any URL when you link to it on your site" https://www.w3.org/TR/webmention/ via @t
(twitter.com/_/status/687345135651295232)
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gRegorLove
tantek: Your like/repost/reply icons at the bottom of your posts appear to be broken
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tantek
gRegorLove: LGTM
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tantek
gRegorLove: you might be ad-blocking them
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gRegorLove
Wait, nvm. disconnect.me
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GWG
I keep rereading the specification for webmention.
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GWG
The receiver may periodically reverify webmentions.
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GWG
Is there anyone who implemented that?
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snarfed
GWG: doubt it
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GWG
Seeing how others have tackled something is part of my process.
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tantek
GWG, optional stuff is optional. ;) it helps to skip optional things until you personally have a use-case for it (painpoint).
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GWG
I intend to dump my thoughts into a post.
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calumryan
Any Brightonians in the house tonight?
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tantek
I do a lot of that kind of intending also GWG
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GWG
tantek, you are the King of Brain dumping.
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GWG
But I think I will follow through on this.
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adactio
calumryan: Yup! A few of us are home-brewing (not many though).
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Loqi
adactio: tantek left you a message on 12/14 at 10:12am: will there be a HWC Brighton 2015-12-30? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-12-30-homebrew-website-club#Where http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-14/line/1450116770497
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Loqi
adactio: tantek left you a message on 12/17 at 11:31am: could you confirm the location for HWC Brighton 2015-12-30? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-12-30-homebrew-website-club#Where http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-17/line/1450380676260
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Loqi
adactio: tantek left you a message on 12/25 at 7:59pm: want to add a "Brighton" section here and suggest some months or dates that you think would be good for an IndieWebCamp Brighton 2016? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-25/line/1451102354000
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Loqi
adactio: tantek left you a message on 12/25 at 7:59pm: as in here: https://indiewebcamp.com/Planning#2016 :) http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-25/line/1451102362918
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Loqi
adactio: tantek left you a message on 12/28 at 10:06am: is there a HWC in your fair city this week? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-12-30-homebrew-website-club#Where http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-28/line/1451325963115
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Loqi
adactio: tantek left you a message on 1/3 at 9:10am: Are you able to host Homebrew Website Club Brighton on 2016-01-13? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-03/line/1451841050444
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aaronpk
welcome back adactio! haha
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calumryan
adactio: working on anything new/existing?
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adactio
calumryan: I'm bashing out a blog post on this: https://securityheaders.io/?q=https://adactio.com
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aaronpk
oh no I have an F lol
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aaronpk
i will wait for the blog post before i pass judgment on myself
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bear
a few headers added and my site is A+ now for that
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@dissolve333
#webmention now officially a Working Draft! Now go implement it. It won't take long at all http://www.w3.org/TR/webmention/
(twitter.com/_/status/687353718124187648)
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snarfed
"Now I’m inside nano. It’s like any other text editor you might be used to using, if you imagined what it would be like to remove all the useful features from it."
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snarfed
(i used pico in college for longer than i care to admit)
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bear
heck, I still use nano
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bear
it's often the only editor I know will be on systems I support
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benjaminparry
Hello Brighton Homebrew Club
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calumryan
benjaminparry: hey think things wrapped up at 19:30 (GMT) - I’m not actually there just remote
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[shaners]
I got a B without having done anything special myself. Everything that is being done was all default Rails.
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benjaminparry
calumryan: Oh I thought they extended it, the events page its untill 9.30pm. Thanks
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AngeloGladding
shaners: are you in LA?
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AngeloGladding
farmhouse related?
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[shaners]
Nah. The Farmhouse is no more. They tore it down.
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[shaners]
I live in a van now.
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AngeloGladding
I was just looking for a venue for an LA HWC, vaguely remembered the Farmhouse, saw Tantek was a follower, saw the Farmhouse's hashtag #veganstraightedge, saw your securityheaders.io link.. Tiny world.
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tantek
welcome AngeloGladding!
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[shaners]
Totally for sure
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[shaners]
I really should update the FH site to reflect the current reality of it.
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AngeloGladding
Sad. I never made it out.
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tantek
AngeloGladding: add Los Angeles, CA and yourself to the list of cities here! https://indiewebcamp.com/Homebrew_Website_Club#Up-and-coming_Meetings
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tantek
awesome
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@WhatWebCanDo
RT @w3c First Public Working Drafts: Webmention; Social Web Protocols https://www.w3.org/blog/news/archives/5268
(twitter.com/_/status/687358940120772611)
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[shaners]
AngeloGladding: what part of the city are you in?
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AngeloGladding
South Pasadena
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AngeloGladding
I was just going to set up in a local cafe for the evening to set a precedent.
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AngeloGladding
I've got a couple of other ideas I'll pursue for future events but I'd like to hit the ground running for 2016.
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[shaners]
Ah. That’s our problem in LA. The city is so big that what’s local for someone is an hour+ drive for someone else. :confused:
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AngeloGladding
Are you currently in LA?
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[shaners]
We had that problem with our Ruby group a few years ago too
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[shaners]
I’m currently in Beverly Hills
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[shaners]
I’d love to go to a HWC in town. But I also don’t wanna drive a godzillion miles. Ya know?
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AngeloGladding
Definitely thought about that.
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[shaners]
We really like 4-6 different chapters just within LA. :shrug:
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AngeloGladding
Pasadena is a tech niche but Santa Monica and Venice have a scene as well.
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AngeloGladding
One in the center might suffice. If two, one on the East side and one on the West side..
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AngeloGladding
I was just thinking of starting something close so that I can be consistent and then try to drum up interest in my local community.
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AngeloGladding
Anyone else here from LA?
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kylewm
hehe littlemisadventuretime.com is js;dr
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kylewm
i mean, i did read it
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kylewm
i'm not passing judgement :P
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kylewm
hey nice, bookmarklets still work on adactio.com even with the new Content-Security-Policy
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kylewm
(in Firefox which has a bug that prevents them from working on some sites like Twitter)
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petermolnar
GWG I thought I lot about your idea of immediately pushing a comment, and I think I disagree; what I do need and want to do is a queue table, which will get in/out webmentions
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@tullemich
RT @acka47 Webmention working draft published by @w3c. A "simple way to notify any URL when you link to it on your site" https://www.w3.org/TR/webmention/ via @t
(twitter.com/_/status/687370954461282304)
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[shaners]
Kylewm it sure is. :grin::grin::grin::grin:
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[shaners]
It was basically a ten minute hack to get something for people to follow who weren't on ig/ fb. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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kylewm
[shaners]: that's a really good idea... my mom needs that
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snarfed
kylewm: it's your web site too, right?
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snarfed
maybe a specific feed for just photos, or just photos + articles or something?
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snarfed
i definitely tell my in laws "we posted new brooke photos, check them out on snarfed.org" all the time
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tantek
in looking at the IWC NYC guest list, it appears none of us so far have support for indie events + receiving/showing RSVPs
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tantek
would it be possible for one of you with indie events support on your site to post an indie event + FB POSSE copy of https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/NYC ? (aaronpk, kylewm, kevinmarks, benwerd, ... ?)
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aaronpk
I vote for not me since with any luck my site will be drastically changed between now and then
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tantek
your event support won't magically redirect?
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aaronpk
it will
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aaronpk
and theoretically webmentions to the old URLs will be handled properly too
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tantek
good test right?
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aaronpk
heh suppose so
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aaronpk
what's the official start time? it's not obvious on the wiki
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aaronpk
8:30 I suppose?
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aaronpk
also where is mozilla NY? it's not showing up on google maps
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aaronpk
and "23rd & Lex" is not really an address
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aaronpk
can't find mozilla nyc on the moz wiki either
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tantek
it's not an official "Mozilla Space"
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tantek
(which all have some co-working capacity)
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tantek
it's more of an actual just minimal office office
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aaronpk
well, let's start with getting an actual address on the wiki so people know where they're going
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tantek
good call
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tantek.com
edited /2016/NYC (+9) "street-address"
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aaronpk
"Lex" is short for "Lexington"?
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tantek.com
edited /2016/NYC (+38) "/* Summary */ abbr lex"
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tantek
avenue yes
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aaronpk
and to confirm, this is Friday and Saturday, not Sat+Sun?
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aaronpk
should probably be explicitly stated by the dates since it's unusual
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tantek
correct
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tantek
whoa - now that's a last minute HWC! well done AngeloGladding
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tantek.com
edited /2016/NYC (+27) "end day 1 at 17:00"
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tantek.com
edited /2016/NYC (+20) "/* Summary */ FSa"
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aaronparecki.com
edited /2016/NYC (+54) "/* RSVP */"
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tantek
aaronpk++ thank you!
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Loqi
aaronpk has 50 karma
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tantek.com
edited /2016/NYC (-22) "/* To Do */ lanyrd done already"
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snarfed
AngeloGladding++ agreed!
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Loqi
AngeloGladding has 1 karma
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snarfed
wow also that 4MB 180x140 profile image on your site is a bit intimidating :P
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snarfed
nice photo though!
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AngeloGladding
thanks guys
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AngeloGladding
very last minute here in every respect
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AngeloGladding
will be indiewebifying all day and through the night
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AngeloGladding
btw aaronpk++ thanks for the recommendation of weechat.
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aaronpk
i've actually been using it from a web interface the last couple months which has been pretty neat!
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AngeloGladding
do I need an "@" prefix for loqi to acknowledge the karma?
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aaronpk
no it just has to be the first thing on the line
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[kevinmarks]
I implement async webmentions, though I need to fix the html storing part
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Jeena
somewhere I read that there will be a Indie Web Camp in Duesseldorf in April or something, do we know the date?
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AngeloGladding
aaronpk++ thanks for the recommendation of weechat
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Loqi
aaronpk has 51 karma
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Jeena
Oh Nuernberg, not Duesseldorf?
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[kevinmarks]
BTW being in NYC now is weird as everywhere has a Bowie soundtrack
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aaronpk
[kevinmarks]: PDX too!
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[kevinmarks]
Adactio: restricting iframing can be harsh. Also, there is the bookmarklet problem
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[kevinmarks]
I suppose it is because I am visiting so in lots of public spaces, but it really is all Bowie, which means all songs that earlier me
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[kevinmarks]
And also evoke other eras
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@BenoitErken
RT @acka47 Webmention working draft published by @w3c. A "simple way to notify any URL when you link to it on your site" https://www.w3.org/TR/webmention/ via @t
(twitter.com/_/status/687397409362702336)
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angelo.lahacker.net
created /Template:angelo (+94) "Created page with "<span class="h-card" style="white-space:nowrap">[[User:AngeloGladding|Angelo Gladding]]</span>""
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petermolnar
!tell GWG I've altered wp-webmentions-again; it now creates it's own table in the db to act as a queue, due to the lack of queue manager in WordPress; this way sending can be initiated from anywhere
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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petermolnar
RSVP is an interesting thing for me, from the privacy point ( I would not like to announce my whereabouts publicly searchable ), so I wonder if it would be possible to RSVP an event, but only provide the page for the webmention callback; i guess it'd need the private webmention idea implemented
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tantek
petermolnar: agreed there are some interesting privacy problems to solve re: events / rsvps
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tantek
currently all "public" event implementations (silos) have public rsvps too (e.g. FB, Lanyrd, etc.)
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petermolnar
that freaks me out just as well
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@kevinmarks
https://medium.com/@_danilo/everything-i-wish-i-d-known-about-technology-speculation-bd20868cfaf0 “It’s up to us to figure out how to make technology serve the communities who sustain it” #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/687416045708115973)
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@georgkaser
Testing the #indieweb with #known
(twitter.com/_/status/687416708416581632)
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tantek
if you RT an RSVP, does that mean you are RSVPing as well?!?
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aaronpk
i don't think so
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rhiaro
Having thought about it for 20 seconds, could a lightweight private webmention work by passing a token as a parameter when you *send* the webmention, which the target can use to get it to verify?
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tantek
I think aaronpk figured out private webmentions a while ago
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tantek
as in built / got working
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rhiaro
I just checked the wiki, there's a proper oauth protocol flow thing diagrammed
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rhiaro
I was thinking... simpler
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aaronpk
the version i was scheming involved oauth (indieauth) yes
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aaronpk
i don't think I actually built it though
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aaronpk
well I built half of it, since you can request private posts from my site
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aaronpk
hm, it just occurred to me that I haven't built any private post handling in my new site. I think I'm okay with losing that feature in order to not delay the launch more.
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tantek
good call
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tantek
aaronpk - I'm hoping your new site doesn't have the same RSVP bug here: https://aaronparecki.com/events/2016/01/22/1/indiewebcamp
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tantek
note the auto-linked URL in my reply
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tantek
I think you may be dropping cr instead of turning it into %20
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tantek
"indiewebcampsilo" lol
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aaronpk
it looks like that's a parser bug with whitespace
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aaronpk
fwiw my new site likely doesn't have this bug because it uses the webmention.io ruby parser :)
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@alenevince
https://medium.com/@_danilo/everything-i-wish-i-d-known-about-technology-speculation-bd20868cfaf0 “It’s up to us to figure out how to make technology serve the communities who sustain it” #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/687423204466552832)