2016-01-16 UTC
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# 00:22 [shaners] Does anyone still use `rel=“external”` on links? What does it do?
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# 00:37 [shaners] aaronpk: the wiki seems to be suffering. Slow page loads, 504s, timeouts. See anything on your end?
# 00:38 aaronpk i think it's the plugin that tries to go archive hotlinked images
# 00:45 aaronpk ultimately I want the plugin to stash the image away and modify the wiki page source to reference the archived copy
# 00:45 Loqi gives aaronpk the plugin to stash the image away and modify the wiki page source to reference the archived copy
# 00:45 aaronpk which means it will only time out if you add a whole bunch of *new* images to a page at once
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# 01:02 GWG I am thinking of starting the project I planned for IWC early.
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# 01:29 [shaners] GWG: I’m just cleaning up all past references to iamshane.com and Homesteading since I’ve now settled on veganstraightedge.com and Dark Matter.
# 01:29 [shaners] Sometimes, I wish I could make the wiki edits without notifications coming into the channel. But, whatevs.
# 01:29 GWG I wasn't criticizing, I was watching
# 01:35 gRegorLove [shaners]: If you mark the edit as "minor" it apparently doesn't show up in the channel.
# 01:35 GWG I suppose I am just not big on profile pictures.
# 01:35 gRegorLove [shaners]: I used to use rel=external on links, sure there's still some around in my archives. I used javascript so they'd open in an external window
# 01:36 [shaners] I wish browsers would’ve picked up on that and done it be default
# 01:36 aaronpk GWG: you could always use a graphic icon instead of a photo!
# 01:37 gRegorLove Lately I'm just of the opinion that the user can decide if they want to open a link in a new tab or not.
# 01:37 GWG I can't even pick an icon for my Post Kinds plugin.
# 01:40 GWG I need someone more artistic than me.
# 01:46 Loqi LOCKSS is an acronym for Lots Of Copies Keeps Stuff Safe, a mnemonic for the technique of keeping and encouraging many copies of things as a way of improving their longevity https://indiewebcamp.com/LOCKSS
# 01:46 GWG gRegorLove, on the plugin page on wordpress.org.
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# 02:02 [aaronpk] Already hit my first snag while importing, lol. Need to deal with generating and displaying map images for events. I had only done it for bike rides and those kinds.
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# 02:21 [shaners] aaronpk: Can you skip it for now and deal with it after you launch?
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# 17:45 GWG How do I know what the symbols mean?
# 17:48 GWG I was asking from a new visitor perspective
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# 18:00 kylewm aaronpk: what does the battery symbol represent!?
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# 18:06 aaronpk kylewm: that's the current battery life of my phone!
# 18:08 kylewm because every time someone on the internet posts a screenshot with a battery less than 50%, 5 people have to comment "charge your phone!"
# 18:10 aaronpk I will be sure to inform you of any increase in the number of "charge your phone" comments I receive :D
# 18:14 aaronpk articles are proving more difficult to import automatically because of embedded images
# 18:14 aaronpk any posts that use Quill's data URI trick are fine. the problem is the articles with <img> tags that point to local files.
# 18:15 aaronpk which is now also making me think about what is the best way to do this via micropub
# 18:15 aaronpk (my import process is actually my old site making micropub requests to my new site)
# 18:17 aaronpk which has the added benefit of making sure my site supports micropub for creating every kind of post i have!
# 18:28 aaronpk my current struggle is how do I upload multiple images associated with a new blog post via micropub
# 18:29 GWG aaronpk, what if you out the icons in the footer with the names for context?
# 18:29 aaronpk GWG: maybe. I'm gonna deal with that kind of stuff later though, after I launch this.
# 18:30 GWG aaronpk, I try to say things as they occur to me.
# 18:33 aaronpk there's a semi-elegant solution to uploading multiple images via micropub, but it only works with the form-encoded version, not JSON
# 18:35 aaronpk the other solution i'm thinking of places constraints on how the server can store the file, which I don't like
# 18:47 aaronpk the html content of the article has an img tag with a relative URL to "cat.jpg" and there is also a file in the request called "cat.jpg"
# 19:08 kylewm aaronpk: GWG: just <i title="Bookmark" class="fa fa-bookmark"></i> would solve that issue right?
# 19:11 aaronpk i'm just not sure where I want to put the icon. it's already in the top right corner for those anyway.
# 19:13 GWG Does tapping for the title work on mobile?
# 19:13 aaronpk hm I just made a semi-drastic change and I hope it doesn't have unintended consequences
# 19:13 GWG I never quite got touchscreen adaptation.
# 19:14 aaronpk i realized in order for relative image links in posts to work, I need my post permalinks to have a trailing slash if there is no slug
# 19:15 aaronpk but now i can attach multiple files in a micropub request and include a simple <img> tag with the uploaded filename! no extra processing required on the micropub endpoint end!
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# 20:52 gRegorLove Is rel=permalink useful for anything currently? The w3 validator says it's not a registered rel keyword for HTML5.
# 20:52 gRegorLove It's been in my HTML so long and I honestly don't remember why I put it there, heh.
# 20:58 gRegorLove Not quite rel-canonical. Can have multiple rel-bookmarks on a page; serves to indicate the permalink of the closest <article> or section the link is most closely associated with.
# 20:58 gRegorLove I think I'll just drop rel-permalink. Don't see much use for either currently.
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# 21:00 aaronpk nice. now when my micropub endpoint gets an <img> with a data: URI in it, it extracts the file and saves it to disk
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# 21:06 [kevinmarks] There's probably a size threshold where that makes sense, though I suppose http2 will make it less relevant
# 21:12 aaronpk gRegorLove: i'm working through my different post types. currently working on articles which triggered all this stuff about embedded images
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# 21:35 gRegorLove I know they transitioned to 'community ownership' a while ago, but I'd hoped they were going to still maintain persona.org indefinitely. Wasted time setting up a Persona login for local comments on my site.
# 21:41 gRegorLove You'd think they'd put something up on persona.org. I only found out via MDN
# 21:42 sknebel I haven't had the time to follow up on it, but from the discussions around this some people started discussing a new project in this direction in #letsauth
# 21:45 gRegorLove Though I might do it more like a "confirm your comment" email. First-time comments won't post until they click the link. A bit better UX.
# 21:45 aaronpk i'm gonna have to switch indieauth.com to do that too
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# 21:45 aaronpk in order to keep supporting email logins on indieauth.com
# 22:00 tantek gRegorLove: yeah rel=permalink never took hold, was unnecessary since rel=bookmark served the same purpose and was pre-existing.
# 22:01 gRegorLove tantek: rel-bookmark confuses me a bit since I though rels were scoped to the whole page, not just the nearest section of the page.
# 22:01 tantek gRegorLove: and that's why rel=bookmark broke eventually
# 22:01 tantek and it became clear that anything element scoped needed to be in a class microformat, not a rel
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# 22:08 aaronpk i guess this is taking about as long as I expected it to, but dang
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# 23:58 gRegorLove Are wm still being batched? I sent one to /2015 about an hour ago and doesn't look like it showed up. It queued successfully.
# 23:59 aaronpk the notification clustering broke for some reason