#indiewebcamp 2016-01-31

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@withknown Hey, while we've got your attention - it's not too late to become a Known sponsor! https://withknown.com/sponsors/ #opensource #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/693584848015851525)
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@redlocal #opensource Known publishers: version 0.9 is just around the corner. So many new features and fixes. We're excited! #indieweb … (twitter.com/_/status/693586256652046336)
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@redlocal Hey, while we've got your attention - it's not too late to become a Known sponsor! https://withknown.com/sponsors/ #opensource #indieweb … (twitter.com/_/status/693586264310808576)
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@miklb I think I've finally nailed getting webmention working with Jekyll (http://miklb.com/finally-webmentons-with-jekyll-part-duex) (twitter.com/_/status/693586890734198790)
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miklb boom
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miklb can't express how happy that makes me
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aaronpk woohoo!
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miklb to be clear, that is a GitHub hosted Jekyll site
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miklb using Travis CI to build and deploy
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@georgkaser RT @withknown #opensource Known publishers: version 0.9 is just around the corner. So many new features and fixes. We're excited! #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/693588736773353472)
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@ebot70 Top hashtags for @georgkaser: #indieweb #rp15 #firefox #redaxo #griechenland http://www.redaelli.org/matteo-blog/projects/ebottwitter/ (twitter.com/_/status/693588750518095874)
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tantek.com edited /events/2016-02-10-homebrew-website-club (-11) "try object-position, tweak description a bit" (view diff)
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tantek ok tweaked it some more - take a look at the header: https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-02-10-homebrew-website-club
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tantek gRegorLove: ^^^ thoughts?
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aaronpk that looks more like a cover photo now!
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tantek aaronpk: thanks to some CSS object-fit and object-position hackery :)
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aaronpk oh my
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tantek you can basically use those to position and crop an image
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tantek without resorting to weird background-image hacks
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aaronpk whaaaaat
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tantek YES :D
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aaronpk that's amazing
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tantek view the source
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aaronpk and here i just went and implemented cover photos for my new site using background-image
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aaronpk i will fix that later
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tantek we've had good cross-browser interop on object-* props for about a year now
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aaronpk my css knowledge is slowly catching up to 2010
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tantek so I figure as a CSS person I should be using these in the wild to help spread the knowledge / pattersn :)
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aaronpk actually i guess i've been re-learning CSS so you could say my css knowledge is slowly catching up to 2016
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tantek also note the explicit <h1> instead of mediawiki "= ... =" in order to style it
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cweiske I'm tackling the no-search-on-my-website problem by implementing a search engine myself using php and elasticsearch. crawling and indexing is actually working now; http://fotostore.cweiske.de/screenshots/2016-01-31%20phinde%20indexing.png
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aaronpk neat
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aaronpk i want to do that eventually
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tantek indeed. google site-specific date-ordered results have become abysmal.
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aaronpk used to be so good too :(
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tantek there's seriously another opportunity for someone to rebuild/recreate Technorati (with a better name)
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aaronpk what was technorati?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "technorati" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Cc
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aaronpk seems like superfeedr is in a good position to do that
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tantek Technorati was a real-time blog search engine that provided comprehensive date-ordered results within seconds of when people published on their blogs.
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loqi.me created /Technorati (+177) "prompted by aaronpk https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-30/line/1454201092416 and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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tantek aaronpk: except Technorati parsed HTML
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tantek there were competitors that focused on feeds, like Feedster (seriously), but they had a mere fraction of what Technorati had. insert broken feed stats here etc.
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aaronpk superfeedr has been giving me realtime search results for "indieweb" and "indiewebcamp" via grep.io and it's been pretty amazing
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tantek aaronpk: high quality enough for Loqi to share here?
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Loqi yeah!
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aaronpk i'm considering it
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tantek well he thinks so apparently
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aaronpk i think i'd have to use the superfeedr API directly instead of grep.io since that just sends emails
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cweiske ha. indexing is done; 18mib elasticsearch index for my website + directly linked urls
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cweiske 0.003s query time, that's nice
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aaronpk fun
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tantek are there any decent date and time sites with well design URL permalinks?
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tantek here is an example of poorly designed (just to set a low bar to beat) http://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/monthly.html?year=2016&month=1
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aaronpk trying to think of what I would call a search engine module of p3k
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tantek as a service, or built into the server?
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aaronpk as a service
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aaronpk Monocle is the best fit, and coincidentally does a lot of the stuff a search engine has to do already
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tantek nah, Monocle is still focused on reading, not searching
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tantek searching seems quite different
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aaronpk Telescope?
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tantek consider encoding seconds since midnight in NewBase60
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aaronpk since telescopes are used to search for things in deep space
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tantek since that would give you 1 digit for hours, 1 digit for minutes, 1 digit for seconds
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aaronpk isn't that just newbase60 time of day?
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aaronparecki.com edited /p3k_naming_convention (+310) "add URLs" (view diff)
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tantek yes I think it has that nice characteristic as a result
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aaronpk i have that on my current metrics permalinks although i will lose that as soon as i switch
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aaronpk https://aaronparecki.com/metrics/2016/01/30/134427/ and http://aaron.pk/m4fWcLT (cLT == 134427)
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tantek neat
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aaronpk oh wait i'm wrong, cLT is just 134427 as an integer
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aaronpk or wait is that the same thing? NUMBERS R HARD
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tantek not the same thing
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aaronpk 13:44:27 == 13*60*60 + 44*60 + 27 == 49467 == DjT
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tantek and note that 13=D, 44=j, and 27=T
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tantek that's the point
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aaronpk largest newbase60 you'd get encoding seconds since midnight is Pzz
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aaronpk ah yeah, 235959 is 15Ye which jumps to 4 digits
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tantek as a number right
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aaronpk aaaand my shortlinks are broken for metrics after 10pm
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aaronpk well good thing i'm dropping that scheme :)
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tantek oops
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tantek how did that happen?
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aaronpk i never noticed!
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aaronpk i think i assumed that the time would always encode to a 3-char result
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aaronpk what I actually wanted was seconds since midnight!
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tantek it does, if you treat it as encoding h:m:s
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tantek encoding h:m:s in NewBase60 == NewBase60 seconds til midnight - that's the point!
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aaronpk i was just taking the time, smushing the decimal digits together, then encoding that integer
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aaronpk so 22:00:00 -> 220000 -> 116f
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aaronpk and 21:59:59 -> 215959 -> zzK
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tantek the smushing of non-base10 numbers together and treating it as base10 was the error
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aaronpk well in about 1.5 hrs none of this will matter :D
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aaronpk my import script is currently at october 2015 now
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tantek neat!
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tantek start searching for domains again
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aaronpk domains for?
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tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-30/line/1454201538624
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aaronpk ah :)
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aaronpk if I build one it will be almanac.p3k.io :)
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aaronpk didn't barnaby's reader have a search function backed by elastisearch?
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tantek has anyone done anything with newbase60 epoc seconds?
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kylewm tantek: can you make it render this https://www.flickr.com/photos/tantek/23803704613/ for a given /year/month, I would like that :)
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kylewm aaronpk: yes shrewdness use[ds] elasticsearch
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tantek kylewm: with the right CSS ;)
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tantek kylewm: btw what do you think of the updated header/description at the top of https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-02-10-homebrew-website-club ?
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kylewm I like it, big improvement! my eye keeps being drawn back to "ask the experts" though, trying to think how i'd like to rephrase that
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tantek great! if you think of a rephrasing - please go ahead and edit!
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tantek.com edited /IndieWebCamps (+451) "move NYC to *camps" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Main_Page () "(-502) move NYC to *camps" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Main_Page (+36) "/* Homebrew Website Club */ update next dates" (view diff)
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aaronpk so close
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GWG I have returned.
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aaronpk here we go!
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GWG Should I get the noisemakers and confetti?
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aaronpk not until I get my first webmention on the new site :)
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tantek aaronpk: how about comments importing?
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aaronpk i'm gonna let that run overnight
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aaronpk it's gonna take a loooong time because i'm going to archive all the avatars so I can serve them over ssl and so that they will stop being broken images
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aaronpk but! I've already done it once! with indiewebcat.com
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aaronpk here comes the google crawler!
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aaronpk wow it's hitting this pretty hard
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aaronpk slurp slurp slurp
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aaronpk well this is puzzling. when I log in to Quill, the token doesn't get the "post" scope
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aaronpk oh hey bridgy sent me some webmentions
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aaronpk and all the avatars are https now and will not disappear anymore! \o/
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@roomthily @roomthily d) urban lichens e) IndieWeb f) scicomm metaphors that are not related to war/battle g) api design (twitter.com/_/status/693649181081112579)
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aaronpk heyyyy look at this! comments! https://aaronparecki.com/2015/11/18/5/instagram
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aaronpk and i just realized i can run the comment export script on the new copy of my old site i launched which means i don't have to worry about my laptop going to sleep
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aaronpk muahaha now the battery icon on my site actually reflects my phone's battery
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aaronpk well
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aaronpk SITE IS LAUNCHED
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aaronpk I still have a TON to do, but at least it's up
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tantek congrats aaronpk !
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aaronpk going to let my comments import overnight, and then decide what more to fix tomorrow afternoon
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aaronpk woohoo first post on the new site! https://aaronparecki.com/2016/01/30/13/
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tantek aaronpk: is this p3kv2?
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tantek nice new simplified home page design
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tantek singlecolumn++
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Loqi singlecolumn has 1 karma
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KartikPrabhu but it looks the same ;)
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: it would be neat to have summaries on articles
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tantek aaronpk: did you consider putting your icon up at the top right by your name in the header?
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tantek aaronpk, what's going on with reposts of tweets only showing the URL? e.g. https://aaronparecki.com/2016/01/28/19/
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tantek A /repost should show the full content of the thing being reposted
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aaronpk shhhh
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tantek looks like a bug
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aaronpk i'll fix all that later
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tantek of course. just making sure you knew ;)
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notes.whatthefuck.computer created /Template:rrix (+54) "Create a template to give me a real name." (view diff)
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notes.whatthefuck.computer edited /events/2016-02-10-homebrew-website-club (+11) "/* San Francisco */" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk: care to do the honors and update this? https://indiewebcamp.com/2016-01-01-commitments#Aaron_Parecki (the way the rest of us there have added "DONE" items)
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tantek looks like all 2016-01-01 commitments will at least be done before end of January!
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tantek oh dear, just saw the link to w3schools.
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tantek please never recommend w3schools - it has tons of out of date and/or outright inaccurate info
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KartikPrabhu yeah i mentioned that immediately
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miklb perfect example of 1st result not best result
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tantek going through Emma1's questions again to see how well my current HTML5 TGP drafts address her questions in relative order
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KartikPrabhu tantek: do let me know if I answered them correctly or if there are better ways
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tantek KartikPrabhu: you did great
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GWG I honestly haven't looked for a tutorial in a while.
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miklb sadly, HTML & CSS has almost become an assumption.
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KartikPrabhu which is why it is more important to have good guides
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@hobsonlane Interesting: http://indiewebcamp.com (twitter.com/_/status/693704776903692291)
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GWG Okay, more refinements in the Indieweb plugin. Enough for tonight
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@LukasRosenstock If you haven't seen it yet, here's my reply to @davewiner's post about @Medium: https://lukasrosenstock.net/post/67312387 #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/693720901922217984)
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voxpelli !tell GWG Good job on the plugin! If you want some feedback, then: Try separating refactoring work and new features into separate atomic commits as it makes it easier to track what has changed due to what :)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@openscience RT @benwerd Regardless of where else you share it, if you believe in #openaccess you should put your research on the open web. #indieweb #edtech (twitter.com/_/status/693745359298785280)
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@openscience RT @jgmac1106 @benwerd There is a large and growing #openscience movement goes hand in hand with #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/693745405461291008)
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@runsinthewind RT @benwerd Regardless of where else you share it, if you believe in #openaccess you should put your research on the open web. #indieweb #edtech (twitter.com/_/status/693745520448139265)
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@dtnameh RT @benwerd Regardless of where else you share it, if you believe in #openaccess you should put your research on the open web. #indieweb #edtech (twitter.com/_/status/693746142958395392)
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@dogfood @btconf FYI: auf euren Seiten tragen alle Infos zum IndieWebCamp die Jahreszahl 2015 (z.B. Ticket-Seite + Side Events-Seite) (twitter.com/_/status/693749239504052225)
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@mothersele RT @LukasRosenstock If you haven't seen it yet, here's my reply to @davewiner's post about @Medium: https://lukasrosenstock.net/post/67312387 #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/693749954226044929)
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@dogfood @btconf Auf der Ticket-Seite ist es das Side Events-Datum und auf der Side Event-Seite das indieWebCamp-Datum (twitter.com/_/status/693762136707874816)
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@e8johan Get ready to learn about #indieweb at foss-gbg! http://foss-gbg.se/2016/01/indieweb/ Get your free tickets here: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/foss-gbg-om-indieweb-tickets-20911762645 (twitter.com/_/status/693768487915933697)
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voxpelli Would be really cool to start seeing some (more?) non-personal indieweb tools – like indieweb:ish Product Hunts, Nuzzle and more – employing indieweb-content, social graph data etc
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[shaners] !!tell aaronpk CONGRATS on the new site!
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[shaners] !tell aaronpk I think telescope is a good name for a search service. :+1::skin-tone-2:
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk good morning
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Loqi aaronpk: [shaners] left you a message 1 hour, 26 minutes ago: I think telescope is a good name for a search service. :+1::skin-tone-2: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-31/line/1454262141132
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aaronpk well I guess it's good that I launched my site yesterday, since the old server decided to crash overnight!
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@barryf I'm excited to read about @manton2's upcoming microblog platform, especially if it supports Micropub and Webmention: http://www.manton.org/2016/01/micropub-and-the-quiet-indiewebcamp-revolution.html (twitter.com/_/status/693863278599020544)
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@jgarber RT @calum_ryan Slides from my talk last night @FrontEndLondon https://calumryan.com/talks/fel-280116/ Thanks to all at FEL Credits to @t, @adactio + #indieweb community (twitter.com/_/status/693856533990342657)
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@OlofKindgren RT @e8johan Get ready to learn about #indieweb at foss-gbg! http://foss-gbg.se/2016/01/indieweb/ Get your free tickets here: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/foss-gbg-om-indieweb-tickets-20911762645 (twitter.com/_/status/693813572405760001)
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@Toni_Kinnunen RT @TheDavidJohnson Spending some time this week getting better acquainted with the #indiewebcamp community. Lots to learn! (twitter.com/_/status/693799142187991040)
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aaronpk thanks Loqi
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Loqi you're welcome
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aaronpk guess that server is back now
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aaronpk wow, tantek's home page webmentions from bridgy are making webmention.io fall over
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GWG And he doesn't even do anything with them
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Loqi GWG: voxpelli left you a message 9 hours, 59 minutes ago: Good job on the plugin! If you want some feedback, then: Try separating refactoring work and new features into separate atomic commits as it makes it easier to track what has changed due to what :) http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-31/line/1454232967701
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aaronpk i just deleted 8gb of logs from them
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GWG voxpelli: I tend to jump around a lot
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@rrrrrrrix @asmallteapot @pcperini or uh http://indiewebcamp.com if you are less motivated like me (twitter.com/_/status/693886162033750016)
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aaronpk hold on to your hats! upgrading the indiewebcamp.com nginx version
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aaronpk woo! now we have http2 on indiewebcamp.com
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aaronpk and indieauth.com
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voxpelli yay!
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Loqi does a happy dance!
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GWG Happy day
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aaronpk I've really gotta stop getting in the habit of using mysql databases to log random things
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GWG aaronpk: Sometimes, text files and a copy of logrotate does wonders.
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aaronpk i'm up to 5gb of weather logs now
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aaronpk converting it to flat files and dropping this database
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@RikMende Subscribe, Follow, Like, Favorite, Read-It-Later should all be actions/protocols of the #openweb #indieweb http://www.rmendes.net/2016/subscribe-follow-like-favorite-read-it-later-should-all-be-actionsprotocols-of (twitter.com/_/status/693902960573591552)
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GWG aaronpk: What do you plan on doing with the weather logs?
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KartikPrabhu what is http2?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "http2" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Cd
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: would be helpful if you wrote/blogged about switch to http2
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GWG aaronpk: With Nginx, it is about a fifteen second update if you were using SPDY before
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@LukasRosenstock "Where is the 'open web' now?" http://millikandaily.com/2016/01/25/where-is-the-open-web-now/?utm_content=buffer8e38b&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/693916936007225344)
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KartikPrabhu really wishes people would strip the utm crap from URLs
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tantek wishes Loqi would strip the utm carp from URLs
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Loqi yeah!
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tantek Loqi knows what's up
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KartikPrabhu is flexboxing his site
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KartikPrabhu google servers now 403 an https request from an http site
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KartikPrabhu a bunch of images don't load on my local version for that reason
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KevinMarks I need to do my utm rewriter that changes medium, source etc into indieweb crediting links
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mathpunkIRL I want to try hosting a static blog on s3 next.
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mathpunkIRL This means I need to re-learn what nameservers and DNS is.
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mathpunkIRL I'm scurred.
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matrrix what is s3?
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Loqi Amazon S3 is a file hosting service from Amazon https://indiewebcamp.com/S3
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matrrix Come now, Loqi.