aaronpkI would add a step which is normalizing URLs, which basically would add "/" to a URL that has no path, since a URL has to have a path in order to do anything with it
aaronpkI would be curious to hear tantek's thoughts on that since he's the one who wrote this up. He tends to have good reasons for these details even if they are not yet captured on the page.
aaronpkthink about the HTTP request involved, if you are trying to fetch "https://bear.im" you make an HTTP GET request to the server at bear.im, you have to request *some* path
aaronpkproblem is I do a `git pull`, but then a bunch of code references things that aren't there until I run `composer install`, and then I still have an issue because database changes aren't applied until I run `migrate`
aaronpkfor example i've got this bot crawling me right now, making 2-3 requests per second, so I don't trust that an in-process migration would finish before the next request came in
ben_thatmustbeme!tell tantek I have to agree, month names would be clearer. Also, language isn't as much a concern as wikis have a method for alternate language versions of a page, plus translation software will work perfectly well on a month name
[aaronpk]It also occurred to me that the mechanism for returning a webmention status URL conflicts with the way syndicating via webmention returns the URL of the page that was created
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Loqitantek: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message 2 hours, 22 minutes ago: I have to agree, month names would be clearer. Also, language isn't as much a concern as wikis have a method for alternate language versions of a page, plus translation software will work perfectly well on a month name http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-07/line/1454903074408
tantek! tell ben_thatmustbeme problem with month names is that it's too much work and too easy to get wrong the month name vs. the ISO Date for the <time> elements. and few enough people update /Events anyway so month names = BAD because they make it harder to update.
tantek!tell ben_thatmustbeme problem with month names is that it's too much work and too easy to get wrong the month name vs. the ISO Date for the <time> elements. and few enough people update /Events anyway so month names = BAD because they make it harder to update.
KartikPrabhumy homepage does not list "notes" but I use rel=feed to link to an h-feed of my notes, which is consumed by bridgy for POSSE-post-discovery
tantekaaronpk: calagator has the same problem as all other event systems, too much structure getting in the way of being able to informally add random events like people speaking, or uncertain events, or potential events etc.
tantekif you think you know how to do events well with structure, great, implement /event posts on your site and show everyone the screenshots of your UI
Loqirel-feed is the standard for linking to multiple (potentially alternative) h-feeds from a site's homepage using the code rel="feed" on those links http://indiewebcamp.com/rel-feed
tantekpretty funny that we are sensitive to different things seeming "hard", e.g. aaronpk's point about editing/adding events to wiki is enough for him to not do it, whereas for me, all the git command-line mumbo jumbo is bad enough for me to never use it
tantekKartikPrabhu: nah, with wiki editing, you can easily see existing examples, copy paste, not feel at risk of collossally screwing things up with the slightest typo
Loqitantek meant to say: kylewm: let me know when git introduces "git undo" to undo the last command you did no matter what it did and then I'll reconsider
cweiskeaaronpk, the micropub draft only gives an examples for objects that can be created. Shouldn't that be part of the spec? Because in the end, everyone could support micropub and still be incompatible with everyone else
Loqiben_thatmustbeme: tantek left you a message 8 hours, 49 minutes ago: problem with month names is that it's too much work and too easy to get wrong the month name vs. the ISO Date for the <time> elements. and few enough people update /Events anyway so month names = BAD because they make it harder to update. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-07/line/1454912283304
ben_thatmustbeme!tell tantek i'm not sure I agree with you on them being harder to update, I personally think a number is easier to mix up, but thats me. Its really just a problem of people not updating /Events. I wonder if there is some fudgery that can be done with css like time[datetime*="-02-"]::before {content: "February";}
aaronpkand since each page is marked up with h-event, you could crawl that category page, fetch each URL, and then render a new page showing all the events
aaronpkthe nice thing is it would be using the canonical event URL page to get the data, so we wouldn't have to also worry about duplicating the data between /events and the event permalink
aaronpkokay this is very strange. I forgot to put the google analytics code on my new site, so it has not had the tracking code on it from Jan 30 until today
Loqitantek: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message 2 hours, 7 minutes ago: i'm not sure I agree with you on them being harder to update, I personally think a number is easier to mix up, but thats me. Its really just a problem of people not updating /Events. I wonder if there is some fudgery that can be done with css like time[datetime*="-02-"]::before {content: "February";}http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-08/line/1454944200048
ben_thatmustbemeyou assume there is a stage of "translating it back to a word from a number" which i don't think many people do since they go the other way
ben_thatmustbemeeither way, i think you are overthinking it, adding a word when you create an event is not really a big leap. its just that its not updated,
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aaronpkfollow-up question to that then, it would seem I need to restrict that to the same domain. otherwise you could hijack someone's comment on my site by sending a webmention with their URL
gRegorLoveYeah, we can use built-in MediaWiki datetime functions, so the event date can always be entered yyyy-mm-dd and displayed in multiple ways, no manual copy/pasta
aaronpkthe problem i'm having is wirres.net for some reason generates multiple URLs for each post, and one URL pattern shows up in his PuSH feed, and the other is from his webmention sending. both have the same u-url property on the page, but they are different source URLs
tantekanyone heard of singleplatform.com? They seem to be a semi-full-service website publishing / updating hosting service specifically for local businesses (example: http://bluehawaiisf.com )
desttinghimI'm trying to get my twitter connected to my domain, but it looks like twitter automatically shortens my link on my profile. How have other people gotten around this?
Loqi[shaners]: mblaney left you a message 20 hours, 39 minutes ago: I use SimplePie which looks like it tries to deal with atom category schemes, but not sure what that should look like. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-07/line/1454893213788
jonnybarnesI’m trying to write some phpunit tests. if I run just one specific test where I pass example.org to `getAuthorizationEndpoint()` it returns bool(false) as expected. if it gets run in the test suite where that method has been called and returned https://indieauth.com/auth already, then thats what it returns for example.org
Schnitzsnarfed1: OK I posted now from Tumblr, Posseing into FB / Twitter via Bridgy using the same webmention a hrefs as before, no change from my side, lets see whether it gets thru, I'll let you know :-)
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jonnybarnesaaronpk: it definitely is your client caching values, if I uncomment the lines in fetchHead and fetchBody that check for self::$_{headers,body} then my tests pass as I would expect
jonnybarneshowever this does mean example.org/post1 and example.org/post2 are cached seperately where as you would assume they’d have the same endpoint information
snarfedhuh. i actually interpreted the idea as more of a planet, ie it would take a set of sites and merge all of their notes automatically into a single feed
tantekso if you want to label something that does that in a way that at least *some* people will understand, "public timeline" is MUCH better than "planet"
aaronpki'm not totally sure I agree with that assessment though. My first thought when I hear "public timeline" is all public things posted to a specific service, not aggregated.
tantektheir website on their twitter profile aurore2.com redirects to a FB page that says "Sorry, this content isn't available right now / The link you followed may have expired, or the page may only be visible to an audience you're not in." (not logged in)
tantekHumanML was an early 2000s OASIS attempt at an XML format to describe human communication, previously at humanmarkup.org (long abandoned / reparked domain).
snarfedSchnitz: re your bridgy publish twitter failure just now, looks like your account is in a funny auth state. if you sign up for twitter again from http://brid.gy/ , then enable publish, that should fix it
tantekOASIS is an abbreviation for the Organization for the Advancement of Structured Information Standards, a consortium for making web-like standards, similar to W3C, yet more enterprise/business focused in general.
aaronpkI have decided the next thing I need to do to further all of my projects is Scribe, a service that parses any URL, and stores an archive of what it finds there
Schnitzsnarfed trying to refresh responses now manually but that doesn't seem to work, maybe no issue tho, I'll try again with responses from a new post... https://brid.gy/twitter/belp_audio#