#indiewebcamp 2016-02-07

2016-02-07 UTC
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bear using webmention for this (this being a stream of posts from multiple sources) seems forced - as it's more of a syndication target
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[kevinmarks] The rounded versions definitely look better
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[kevinmarks] I'll leave the proportions to you - there is a 2:1 thing in the other letters
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kylewm people that upload pngs inside svgs to svgur --
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aaronpk they probably think it converts it to an svg
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kylewm I think they are just smartasses
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[shaners] aaronpk: kylewm: https://slack-files.com/T03QR2B2T-F0LFRK8AU-1431b39365
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aaronpk I like the block version, but am not a big fan of the proportion of the outlined version
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[kylewm] That reads as a tennis ball to me
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aaronpk huh I did not get that
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aaronpk are the thin parts of each letter the same width in the block version? should they be?
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aaronpk oh I see what you did, you made the left part of the inner curve match a concentric circle of the outer curve
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aaronpk actually no it's ever so slightly different
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[shaners] I’m confused.
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aaronpk this is hard to describe in words
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[shaners] If I’m off on some measurements by a couple few pixels, I can futz them around. That’s not a problem.
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[shaners] Yeah. I see what youre saying.
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[aaronpk] https://slack-files.com/T03QR2B2T-F0LFR0V47-87b39b6676
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[aaronpk] i'm thinking the pink widths should all match, and the same with the green
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[shaners] Thanks for illustrating that
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[kylewm] If I could have made the which arc the same width as the top and bottom gaps, I kind of like how that looks
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[kylewm] white arc*
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[shaners] why that curve, Kyle?
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[aaronpk] (here's the image kyle is talking about https://slack-files.com/T03QR2B2T-F0LFRBA2J-5ef3f23c1c)
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[kylewm] because it mirrors the outer curve
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[kylewm] like one half of the mastercard logo :stuck_out_tongue:
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[shaners] Why that corner?
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[kylewm] which corner?
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[shaners] That you made by intersecting the outer curve and the horizontal
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[shaners] Kyle o_O Have you added yourself to /irc-people?
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[kylewm] yes... but I don't have icon in Slack
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aaronpk kylewm: your image URL broke with the change of your site!
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aaronpk check the logs
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[kylewm] oh I fixed it the Template but not irc-people!
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aaronpk but the URL of your old image is 404 for anyone that cached that URL
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[kylewm] yes that's true
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kylewm.com edited /IRC_People (-9) "update image" (view diff)
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[shaners] Oh wait. Is Kyle o_O == kylewm ?
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[kylewm] <-- kylewm, but where does it say Kyle o_O??
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[shaners] In Slack. Your display name.
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[kylewm] heh oops
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kylewm aaronpk: I redirected the old photo URL to the new one
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kylewm thanks for the heads up
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aaronpk yay
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Loqi giggles
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[shaners] that’s better!
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@benwerd Spending some quality time with @SandstormIO this weekend. #noreason #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/696143971672690688)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Spending some quality time with @SandstormIO this weekend. #noreason #indieweb" by Ben Werdmüller http://werd.io/2016/spending-some-quality-time-with-sandstormio-this-weekend-noreason-indieweb
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[shaners] kylewm: we could give away promotional tennis balls with the IWC logo on it
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kylewm [shaners]: do you like the rounded logo better?
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[shaners] It’s growing on me
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[shaners] https://slack-files.com/T03QR2B2T-F0LFU9YRW-1b9d77f00f
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mblaney here you go, public indieweb planet: https://unicyclic.com/indieweb
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mblaney it's a short list at the moment, let me know who I should add to it.
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kylewm the rounded cutout really stands out to me now, and I can't tell if it's because it's different or because it's actually jarring for some reason
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bear with the first two letters having a single line (the seperator between the "dot" of the i and the slash of the w) I feel that the C should be just a short line
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[shaners] https://slack-files.com/T03QR2B2T-F0LFT9G3T-fe40b97474
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[shaners] bear ^^^
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[shaners] afk
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bear yea, that's what I mean
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kylewm first one there is my favorite so far
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kylewm bear++
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Loqi bear has 101 karma
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kylewm shaners++
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Loqi shaners has 21 karma
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Loqi [indieweb] "We just pushed out Known 0.9.0.3, including some fixes for themes and photos. https://withknown.com/opensource/ #indieweb" by Ben Werdmuller http://stream.withknown.com/2016/we-just-pushed-out-known-0903-including-some-fixes-for
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[kevinmarks] I like the lower left one with the rounded end there
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[kevinmarks] It's going to be pacman when yellow
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[kevinmarks] (which is not a bad thing)
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bear :)
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bear the lower left is my fav of that last batch also
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[kevinmarks] For the square could you push the W up and kern the others in under it?
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[kevinmarks] I think the rounded cutout in the "tennis ball" one stands out because the other 2 have a thick/thin thing going on
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[kevinmarks] So if you moved it right so that the C had a thick/thin feel too it would also work
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[kevinmarks] And thank you shaners for putting up with us pulling out the rulers for this
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[shaners] Kevinmarks im not even thinking about the square version yet.
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mblaney I've started adding kylewm's twitter list to https://unicyclic.com/indieweb, so it's quite a bigger planet now ;-)
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kylewm mblaney, when I get home I can send the raw homepage URLs
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mblaney doh! that would've been handy :-)
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mblaney thanks kylewm that would be good, I'll add in any that I've missed.
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@tedder42 independent/"indieweb" version of twitter: https://github.com/buckket/twtxt (twitter.com/_/status/696187485961920512)
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kylewm mblaney: http://kylewm.com/public/domains.json
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mblaney thanks kylewm!
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mblaney one thing about going through these lists, doesn't necessarily give you someone's feed.... that can take a bit of looking around.
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KartikPrabhu that is what a /reader would do too
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mblaney KartikPrabhu what would a reader do?
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KartikPrabhu https://indiewebcamp.com/feed#How_To_Consume
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mblaney yes I'm doing that. for people who publish rss or atom, feed discovery is working.
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mblaney but I'm talking about home pages that don't have h-feed or h-entry
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mblaney people often have a link to it but would be nice if there's a programmatic way to find it I guess.
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KartikPrabhu of course there is: look for rel=feed
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KartikPrabhu if feed links are not marked up in anyway you can't find them pf course
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mblaney I think you just made that up...
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KartikPrabhu no
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KartikPrabhu rel=feed is a thing
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mblaney where am I looking? :-)
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KartikPrabhu on the homepage
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KartikPrabhu example: https://kartikprabhu.com
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mblaney ok you win because you support it :-)
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mblaney I couldn't find any reference to is on the wiki or on the microformats wiki though.
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KartikPrabhu bridgy found my feeds that way so I am no making it up
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mblaney haha ok I promise to support it too now. sorry wasn't trying to be mean.
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KartikPrabhu not to worry :)
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mblaney aaah it is in the list of rels here: http://microformats.org/wiki/rels
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KartikPrabhu yes of course ;)
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mblaney so far I've added 105 feeds to my planet at https://unicyclic.com/indieweb
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mblaney will go over the list again when I've made some improvements to my discovery process.
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@malcolmblaney planet #indieweb (https://unicyclic.com/mal/2016-02-07-planet_indieweb) (twitter.com/_/status/696233544260005889)
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Loqi [indienews] New post: https://unicyclic.com/mal/2016-02-07-planet_indieweb http://news.indiewebcamp.com/en/unicyclic.com/mal/2016-02-07-planet_indieweb
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[kevinmarks] Just realised that the new logo reminds me of Mr Robot a bit
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@kevinmarks @wilkieii @velartrill having a single code base is the http://indiewebcamp.com/monoculture problem, and Socialwg has been good at resisting that (twitter.com/_/status/696253353471270912)
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Loqi [bridgy] wilkie replied '@kevinmarks @velartrill it has been very good. we have different attitudes and e...' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/monoculture (https://twitter.com/wilkieii/status/696253987218186240)
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@BrendanEich @chris_mahan @brave cc'ing @tantek, who teaches people to do all this at #indieweb camps so they can own their content. (twitter.com/_/status/696272920587309057)
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@diplix @dasnuf @SteveRueck eigentlich ganz einfach: alle indieweb-plugins via https://wordpress.org/plugins/indieweb/ installieren & bei… (http://wirres.net/article/articleview/9260/1/6/) (twitter.com/_/status/696281090743349250)
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Loqi [indieweb] "antwort auf einen eintrag auf twitter.com" by ix@wirres.net (felix schwenzel) http://wirres.net/article/articleview/9260/1/0/
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Loqi [indieweb] "antwort auf einen eintrag auf twitter.com" by ix@wirres.net (felix schwenzel) http://wirres.net/article/articleview/9260/1/54/
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@NormantonStreet RT @jkphl is sincerely looking forward to having @aaronpk & @adactio at http://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg (and still crossing fingers for @t) X= #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/696303252565057536)
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@jkphl @jeena Great to have you on board for the @indiewebcamp! \o/ Pls let me know if can assist you w/ travel stuff and such! :) (twitter.com/_/status/696305717318389760)
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@raretrack How Jim Groom of @ReclaimHosting migrated my @withknown site over: http://bavatuesdays.com/migrating-known/ :) #indieweb #known #ownyourdata (twitter.com/_/status/696320519176613889)
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Loqi [mention] Kyle Mahan wrote a post that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/micropub https://webmention.io/notification/qjYOHz7nxQ_ebutrYUAlJw
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Loqi [bridgy] dr electronic max replied '@kevinmarks we are focusing on various "indie web" architectures, federated self...' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://twitter.com/emax/status/696322585022353409)
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Loqi [bridgy] dr electronic max replied '@kevinmarks oh don't worry-we will! we're the new personal data &amp; privacy la...' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://twitter.com/emax/status/696322336623104000)
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@RikMende RT @withknown We just pushed out Known 0.9.0.3, including some fixes for themes and photos. https://withknown.com/opensource/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/696328737340657664)
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Loqi [mention] someone wrote a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE https://webmention.io/notification/z711AgkEGUlwzLu8HXYWWg
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kylewm oh that's funny, Loqi said I mentioned /micropub because I @ed aaronpk and he has /micropub as one of his URLs
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aaronpk well sort of
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aaronpk it's in my twitter bio
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kylewm that's what i mean
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aaronpk but it's not my twitter URL
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kylewm bridgy doesn't differentiate
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aaronpk :(
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kylewm what are SVCS?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "SVCS" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10D1
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kylewm re: https://twitter.com/emax/status/696322585022353409
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@emax @kevinmarks we are focusing on various "indie web" architectures, federated self-hosted svcs, plus decentralised architectures like ipfs (twitter.com/_/status/696322585022353409)
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aaronpk services?
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kylewm doh
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GWG kylewm: You run some svcs, don't you?
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kylewm I'm racking my brain like "static version control system"?? "silicon valley cooperatives"???
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bear yea, svcs to me will always be subversion
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GWG I thought that was svn
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KevinMarks cvs and svn munged together?
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KevinMarks hm, just saw https://cloud.google.com/source-repositories/
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KevinMarks but only 500MB
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bear sorry, didn't mean to say that svcs was a shortcut/acronym *for* subversion - it's just that SVCS was used by the subversion devs == "Subversion VCS" a lot way back when
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[shaners] mblaney: Any idea what’s causing this in posts from my site in your planet? "#<0x007f4bf4524508>0x007f4bf4524508>"
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@tedder42 @kitchen just need to do some indieweb-style POSE stuff. (twitter.com/_/status/696413806319112192)
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tantek indieweb-style POSE stuff. sounds like we need to do a photoshoot.
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tantek good morning #indiewebcamp! :)
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loqi.me created /SSE (+31) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by aaronpk" (view diff)
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GWG Good morning, tantek.
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aaronpk there is an increasingly higher probability that I will turn p3k into something you can download and self-host easily
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kylewm shaners: it looks like those are categories in your RSS feed:
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kylewm e.g. <category scheme="#&lt;Tag:0x007f4bf855ff00&gt;" term="#&lt;Tag:0x007f4bf855ff00&gt;" />
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tantek aaronpk++ that would be awesome!!!
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Loqi aaronpk has 70 karma
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tantek then you can run the hosted version at centralstation.p3k ;)
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aaronpk not sure I want to run a hosted version, that's a whole different ballgame
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tantek you're right, centralstation is far to public and accessible
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tantek make it citadel.p3k and charge $1337 per year - only paid accounts
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tantek is full of ideas this morning
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aaronpk oh dear
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Loqi [indieweb] "@martinvars if you use an indieweb site like withknown.com and reply to tweets from it, then you will get exactly that behaviour. Try it out" by Kevin Marks http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/martinvars-if-you-use-an-indieweb-site-like-withknowncom-and
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@kevinmarks @martinvars if you use an indieweb site like https://withknown.com/ and reply to tweets from it, then you will… http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/martinvars-if-you-use-an-indieweb-site-like-withknowncom-and (twitter.com/_/status/696429373465833473)
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tantek what is a public timeline?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "public timeline" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10D3
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tantek (pretty sure that's what it was called)
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tantek public timeline is a silo / aggregator feature that simply shows all the public posts from their profiles / subscriptions in a reverse chronological order, popularized by [[Twitter]] who deprecated it 2012-10-10[https://twittercommunity.com/t/public-timeline-down/9564].
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loqi.me created /public_timeline (+297) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-07/line/1454876739811 and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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tantek.com edited /public_timeline (+637) "indie / silo examples, Twitter with screenshot" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /public_timeline (+715) "Brainstorm public indieweb notes stream" (view diff)
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tantek I'm seeing an H in the negative space of the I in the new IWC logo - was that deliberate shaners? As in usable for both IWC and HWC?
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tantek https://slack-files.com/T03QR2B2T-F0LFT9G3T-fe40b97474
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tantek !tell aaronpk,benwerd indieweb public timeline brainstorm captured - feel free to expand/edit! https://indiewebcamp.com/public_timeline#public_indieweb_notes_stream
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk huh I wonder if I could use p3k to make a public post aggregator
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Loqi aaronpk: tantek left you a message 1 minute ago: indieweb public timeline brainstorm captured - feel free to expand/edit! https://indiewebcamp.com/public_timeline#public_indieweb_notes_stream http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-07/line/1454878435314
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tantek aaronpk: I think public per type would be cognitively easier / more pleasant to read than a jumble of all public posts of all types
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tantek e.g. indieweb notes
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tantek indieweb photos
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sknebel aaronpk: you sure you don't want to apply for a .p3k gTLD? ;)
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aaronpk sure i just mean the software already handles storage and displaying lots of kinds of posts now
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aaronpk imagine if the only thing I posted on my site was reposts of other ppls' notes
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aaronpk (and imagine that I fix my repost display ;)
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aaronpk sknebel: maybe I can petition pakistan to give me control of .pk
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aaronpk i should make http://aaronparecki.com/photos use a layout more like instagram!
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Loqi agreed.
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tantek aaronpk - do you like the mobile display of tantek.com? I posted a bunch of photos in a row recently so it should sort of look like IG (but slightly more readable text :) )
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aaronpk oh yeah the full-width photos are nice on mobile
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aaronpk i'm gonna have to figure out how to make that work with my design
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tantek going to try an experiment with the events page, I think originally requested by crystal. since we already have a heading for the year (2016), dropping 2016 from the visible dates of the events to see if that makes them more readable (sorry Europeans, most signficant digit first is the right thing for maths & numbers of all kinds)
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tantek.com edited /Events (+1) "move Jeena's talk to past" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Events (+441) "try display none hiding the 2016 in upcoming event dtstarts to see if it helps event date readability" (view diff)
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tantek !tell aaronpk,kylewm,gregorLove,ben_thatmustbeme please take a look at https://indiewebcamp.com/Events#Upcoming I hid 2016 from upcoming dtstarts in an attempt to implement a Crystal suggestion and see if it would help readability. Opinions?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@t @BrendanEich @chris_mahan check out @indiewebcamp and biweekly Homebrew Website Club @MozSF: https://indiewebcamp.com/Events#Upcoming (ttk.me t4fd2) (twitter.com/_/status/696444163353522178)
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@chris_mahan @t @BrendanEich @indiewebcamp @MozSF Sadly most are spread worldwide, from South Africa to Belarus, Australia to Zambia... (twitter.com/_/status/696444930508521472)
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@chris_mahan @t @BrendanEich @indiewebcamp @MozSF But thank you for letting me know. (twitter.com/_/status/696445015111774209)
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@southafricaz RT https://twitter.com/chris_mahan/status/696444930508521472 t BrendanEich indiewebcamp MozSF Sadly most are spread worldwide, from South Africa to Belarus, Australia to Za… (twitter.com/_/status/696445661957529600)
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@t @chris_mahan reject half-empty framing. ;) Next IndieWebCamps: MIT, Nürnberg, Düsseldorf. HWC in LA. We grow every year. (ttk.me t4fd3) (twitter.com/_/status/696447206245531649)
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tantek doing my daily fighting negativity with positivity :)
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Loqi [bridgy] Chris Mahan replied '@t @BrendanEich @indiewebcamp @MozSF But thank you for letting me know.' to a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/Events#Upcoming (https://twitter.com/chris_mahan/status/696445015111774209)
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Loqi [bridgy] Chris Mahan replied '@t @BrendanEich @indiewebcamp @MozSF Sadly most are spread worldwide, from South...' to a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/Events#Upcoming (https://twitter.com/chris_mahan/status/696444930508521472)
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Loqi [bridgy] ⚡️ replied '@chris_mahan reject half-empty framing. ;) Next IndieWebCamps: MIT, Nürnberg, D...' to a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/Events#Upcoming (https://twitter.com/t/status/696447206245531649)
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tantek just me and Loqi on a lazy Sunday afternoon
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matrrix :)
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kylewm tantek: hiding the year looks good, definitely easier to scan
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Loqi kylewm: tantek left you a message 23 minutes ago: please take a look at https://indiewebcamp.com/Events#Upcoming I hid 2016 from upcoming dtstarts in an attempt to implement a Crystal suggestion and see if it would help readability. Opinions? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-07/line/1454880039130
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kylewm I don't often see another Mahan in the wild!
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tantek thanks kylewm. one step at a time.
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tantek (still keeping the longform for the "past" events since archival integrity is more important there than scannability)
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[kevinmarks] With the year suppressed, month names would be clearer
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tantek KevinMarks: and which language would you prefer to bias there?
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tantek just as we're being challenged to take IWC / HWC worldwide ^^^^
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kylewm in fairness to Kevin 05-07 is probably more ambiguous to Germans than May 7
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@manton2 @yonomitt For now, yes. But standards like Webmention are making cross-site discussions possible. Related: http://www.manton.org/2015/06/dont-solve-everything.html (twitter.com/_/status/696453366671486976)
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KartikPrabhu Use words for months
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snarfed KartikPrabhu++ for human consumption definitely
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Loqi KartikPrabhu has 131 karma
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KartikPrabhu yes :) for machines use usual yyyy-mm-dd
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KartikPrabhu I do that on my site already ;)
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KartikPrabhu also word-months can be translated safely into other laguages and still be understandable without "date ordering" issue
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KartikPrabhu really needs to move away from feedly based bookmarking
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KartikPrabhu correction: turns out "shortform" word months do not translate nicely in Google Translator
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KartikPrabhu So February works but Feb does not
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Loqi [indieweb] "Excited to see that @WithKnown finally features retroactive POSSE! #IndieWeb" by Jonathan LaCour http://cleverdevil.io/2016/excited-to-see-that-withknown-finally-features-retroactive-posse-indieweb
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@cleverdevil Excited to see that @WithKnown finally features retroactive POSSE! #IndieWeb (https://cleverdevil.io/2016/excited-to-see-that-withknown-finally-features-retroactive-posse-indieweb) (twitter.com/_/status/696461848665845761)
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snarfed what is retroactive POSSE?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "retroactive POSSE" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10D4
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snarfed looks for details in http://docs.withknown.com/en/latest/changelog/ but doesn't see any
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tantek cleverdevil: what's retroactive POSSE?
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aaronpk yeah I agree that the dates are more ambiguous now
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Loqi aaronpk: tantek left you a message 1 hour, 34 minutes ago: please take a look at https://indiewebcamp.com/Events#Upcoming I hid 2016 from upcoming dtstarts in an attempt to implement a Crystal suggestion and see if it would help readability. Opinions? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-07/line/1454880039130
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aaronpk especially things like "06-04...05" is actually really confusing now
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aaronpk that would be much more obvious as "June 4-5"
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aaronpk also frankly I think it's fine to "bias" the dates to English given the fact that the descriptions of the events are all in english too
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