#indiewebcamp 2016-02-11

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tantek Free My Data is http://freemydata.co/ - a handy quick reference with direct links to export your data from various [[silo]]s. See also [[FreeMyOAuth]].
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snarfed aaronpk i do not envy you this rebranding
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loqi.me created /Free_My_Data (+178) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-10/line/1455148503577 and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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snarfed i expect to take the lazy gross way out and just scrape
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aaronpk I do need to add polling to it since i'm still missing web hooks for some people for no reason
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[kevinmarks] Yes, we'll be over
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tantek great!
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tantek hmm - I don't know if I have anything new to demo :/
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tantek.com edited /Free_My_Data (+8) "link, see also section" (view diff)
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aaronpk tantek: do you normally have something new to show every HWC?
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tantek I try! Ever since we switched to a "show demos of what you have gotten working recently" format
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aaronpk nice
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tantek I try to demo something new, however small or trivial
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aaronpk do those get written down?
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tantek aaronpk: by kevinmarks when he's live tweeting
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tantek and then in his report subsequently
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aaronpk ah cool
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tantek should be in the IRC logs for each
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tantek snarfed: I"m reviewing my https://www.instagram.com/accounts/manage_access/ now and seeing a few apps that have lots of privileges!
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tantek Iconosquare has the ability to like photos, comment on photos, follow/unfollow other users
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aaronpk I was looking at my twitter security page the other day and it shows a log of the last several days worth of logins, and about 90% of them were bridgy :)
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snarfed heh
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tantek interesting, Instarchive claims to "Download your Instagram photos as a zip file"
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tantek Websta also have permission to like photos, comment on photos, follow/unfollow other users
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tantek as does Inkstagram
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aaronpk that's all going to change in june
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aaronpk instagram hasn't actually revoked any permissions yet
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aaronpk nor locked down the api
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[kevinmarks] But they have rejected submissions?
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aaronpk yes, submissions to get access to the new API and new permissions
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[kevinmarks] We should write those up
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Loqi yea
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[kevinmarks] I probably need to kill pestagram.com
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snarfed [kevinmarks]: we have written them up; mentioned earlier. :P https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/603
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aaronpk yes I don't think pestagram will pass the review process ;)
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tantek snarfed, maybe add link to that from https://indiewebcamp.com/Instagram#API
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snarfed sure
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aaronpk first, anything with "insta" or "gram" in the name will be rejected
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aaronpk and then anything that is trying to replicate the experience of instagram will be rejected
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snarfed.org edited /Instagram (+1297) "/* API */ permissions approval" (view diff)
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aaronpk "The requested permissions must provide a non-automated, authentic, high-quality experience to your user and the larger Instagram community"
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aaronpk what does non-automated mean?
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aaronpk uhoh
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tantek sounds like non-spammy
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aaronpk ah yeah
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Schnitz back
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Schnitz btw site44 works so exactly like pancake.io that is seems that the former pancake.io reopened it as a commercial service http://raketenbasis.site44.com/
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Schnitz even nicer here, it the HTML is completely untouched: view-source:http://raketenbasis.site44.com/
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aaronpk http://www.site44.com/ doesn't even load for me
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Schnitz why's that?
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Schnitz aaronpk what UA are you using?
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aaronpk dunno, i was just staring at a white screen and "waiting for www.site44.com" for a minute. Chrome osx
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aaronpk tried again an it works now
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aaronpk what do you think "To help individuals share their own content with 3rd party apps" means?
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snarfed evidently not bridgy
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aaronpk how can an app help someone share their content with an app?
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snarfed their examples are 1) printing and 2) using a photo as a profile picture
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snarfed http://developers.instagram.com/post/133424514006/instagram-platform-update
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snarfed aaronpk, silver lining, if i do scrape, granary's REST API will expose that, so you could port ownyourgram to that
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snarfed ugly, but hey
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aaronpk heh
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Vendan holy shit they are making some money off of that
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Vendan $5 a month for 10gb of traffic?
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KartikPrabhu Loqi messages
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Loqi KartikPrabhu: tantek left you a message 4 hours, 33 minutes ago: some examples of multiple photos being tiled in Instagram's notifications UI, might be useful: https://indiewebcamp.com/notifications#Instagram http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-10/line/1455138743156
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Loqi who, me?
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tantek oh hello
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tantek hey I did get something implemented in the past two weeks!
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tantek automatic Bridgy Publish to POSSE to Flickr!
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tantek doesn't really demo anything new
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KartikPrabhu aren't all photos on instagram square?
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tantek hah no
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tantek they added non-square support a while ago
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KartikPrabhu ok
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aaronpk not anymore! yay!
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Loqi giggles
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tantek oh wait yes I can show one minor new thing - automatic syndication links to Flickr copies
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KartikPrabhu so yeah they are padding their non-square photos with white-space
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aaronpk no
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tantek looks for his first automatic Bridgy POSSE to Flickr
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aaronpk they show up at whatever size the photo is posted in the timeline now
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tantek aaronpk: note that there is a 4:3 ratio limitation for portrait!
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KartikPrabhu ha :)
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aaronpk aha!
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tantek (I discovered this through experimentation)
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KartikPrabhu Phyks: good question about indieweb and scientific publication
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tantek checks logs
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KartikPrabhu Phyks: the first hurdle is to have scientific papers in HTML... a huge task
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tantek KartikPrabhu: I was going to say
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tantek however, there is likely still value in hosting academic PDFs on your own domain
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KartikPrabhu tantek: yeah I tried to do it with my papers but Latex to HTML conversion is very very non-trivial
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tantek so perhaps we can separate those two?
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KartikPrabhu tantek: yes good point
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tantek permalink / domain vs content?
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aaronpk I feel like the updates shared during HWC should be included in the weekly newsletters that go out
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KartikPrabhu but it might conflict with the license you give to journals
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tantek aar yeah!
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tantek aaronpk: yeah!
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tantek KevinMarks writes up his notes every time
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tantek but we could be better about linking to those from the HWC event page itsef
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tantek s/itsef/itself
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Loqi tantek meant to say: but we could be better about linking to those from the HWC event page itself
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aaronpk that would be a good start
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snarfed tantek: feel free to show off video posse too
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tantek snarfed that reminds me I haven't posted a video in a while!
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tantek certainly not since I started automatic Flickr POSSEing
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KartikPrabhu what is instagram
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Loqi Instagram is a popular image hosting silo most well known for square photos that have been processed with an image filter https://indiewebcamp.com/Instagram
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KartikPrabhu is there an actual URL where I can see instagram's display of photos side by side?
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tantek KartikPrabhu: did you see the screenshot that I linked you?
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KartikPrabhu yeah I want to inspect the site
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tantek instagram.com/tantek
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KartikPrabhu thanks
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KartikPrabhu ok so instagram also crops photos to a square to display in a grid
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tantek yes
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tantek I do post non-square photos
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aaronpk question: when I make a new post about upcoming travel, such as https://aaronparecki.com/2016/04/11/1/ what date would you expect to see in the permalink?
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KartikPrabhu yeah I found one and hence the conclusion
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tantek both portrait and landscape are cropped
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tantek looks like a simple centered crop
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KartikPrabhu yes
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aaronpk i've always shown the date that the travel starts, due to historical implementation details. I now have the ability to show the date I posted the plan
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tantek aaronpk: I'll answer a different question. I expect to see the date that an event starts for an event post permalink
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aaronpk https://aaronparecki.com/2016/03/14/1/indiewebcamp
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tantek rather, an event permalinks
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tantek s/permalinks/permalink
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Loqi tantek meant to say: rather, an event permalink
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aaronpk I suppose I can do the same as I did for events. I avoided the issue by showing "permalink" instead of the date, so that the only date visible is the date of the event
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tantek aaronpk: the design I have in mind to work around this issue is basically to copy the activity on an event that FB shows
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tantek where it shows what looks like a comment about "so and so created the event" and that thing has a permalink with the date that the event was created
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tantek nice map btw
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tantek I'm very confused by the "Other Mentions" though
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tantek why am I in there twice as an Other Mention, and not at all as an RSVP?
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aaronpk well it was a tweet, and there isn't any bridgy mapping of tweets to RSVPs
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tantek and the event says "1 RSVP" but I can't see it
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tantek or who
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tantek why is the tweet there twice?
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tantek and zero RSVP from my site?
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aaronpk bridgy sent me two webmentions with differnt source URLs https://brid-gy.appspot.com/post/twitter/aaronpk/692535841105772544 and https://brid-gy.appspot.com/post/twitter/aaronpk/692536929720635392
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tantek weird
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aaronpk they both have the same u-url property though
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aaronpk this was my question the other day
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tantek so can you de-dupe?
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aaronpk yes but then there's a security hole, where anyone could hijack a comment
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aaronpk we decided that restricting the de-duping to the same domain would be safe, but then that doesn't actually solve the bridgy issue
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tantek how?
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tantek I don't think you can hijack something by duping it
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aaronpk cause anyone can make a URL that has a u-url of your comment URL, which would then make it look like an update
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tantek I didn't say update, I just said de-dupe
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tantek in this case they look the same
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aaronpk but then how do I handle updates?
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tantek so there's no reason to show both
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tantek tweets don't get updated, never a problem :D
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aaronpk so not hardcoding that
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tantek why not?
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aaronpk the less bridgy-specific code in my site the better
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aaronpk also that still doesn't solve the problem
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tantek not bridgy-specific, twitter-specific
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aaronpk okay so I could restrict updating comments where the only way to actually update it would be to use the same source URL
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tantek yes
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aaronpk (I bet 692536929720635392 is a like of your tweet)
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aaronpk okay if updates are limited to using the same source URL, then hijacking a comment is not possible
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aaronpk which then means it's safe to de-dupe based on what I am displaying, which has nothing to do with the source URL
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aaronpk (also figured out why your actual RSVP isn't showing up... I apparently totally forgot to display RSVPs, and am only showing the count of them!)
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tantek aaronpk: maybe 692536929720635392 is a retweet!
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tantek and once again, I'm good at breaking things
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tantek 2 minutes!
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tantek !tell Kevinmarks, benwerd coming to HWC? ETA?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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kylewm Tantek, I'm with ben and Kevin. We're 10mins away
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tantek ok
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tantek here with matrrix @MozSF!
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tantek now we're discussing Micropub at Homebrew
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Loqi [indieweb] "Lotsa fun. After spending the day messing with ways to get this..." http://belp.audio/post/139084360867
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GWG I am looking forward to fewer red sections of the specification
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matrrix I really should kill my old ZNC account tonight and just become rrix
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@jgarber Launching FrancisCMS onto the IndieWeb – https://sixtwothree.org/posts/launching-franciscms-onto-the-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/697614782988472321)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Launching FrancisCMS onto the IndieWeb" https://sixtwothree.org/posts/launching-franciscms-onto-the-indieweb
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Loqi [mention] felix schwenzel wrote a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/micropub https://webmention.io/notification/ZLVaUmvFs-ChqHWfthMfKg
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loqi.me created /decentralized (+259) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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@olivermakes RT @jgarber Launching FrancisCMS onto the IndieWeb – https://sixtwothree.org/posts/launching-franciscms-onto-the-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/697618630419226624)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Liked Malcolm Blaney's feed discovery #indieweb" by Kyle Mahan https://kylewm.com/2016/02/liked-malcolm-blaneys-feed-discovery-indieweb-ee60286c82
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: welcome to homebrew website club - last time I shared the off the record URL for micropub (twitter.com/_/status/697622297885147138)
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tantek https://www.w3.org/TR/micropub/
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: since then the w3c has published the 1st public working draft of Micropub https://www.w3.org/TR/micropub/ (twitter.com/_/status/697622469780369413)
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KartikPrabhu oo just visited that link on kylewm's site and FF asked me if I wanted to subscribe to Push notifications!
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GWG KartikPrabhu: Fun.
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tantek https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micropub
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kylewm Kartikprabhu, oh! It's not supposed to do that unless you are logged in!
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KartikPrabhu no it isn't you site doing it it is Firefox
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KartikPrabhu https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/push-notifications-firefox?as=u&utm_source=inproduct
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: the Micropub spec is the 2nd result on google, which is good when it competes with small public houses https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micropub (twitter.com/_/status/697622866154680320)
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KartikPrabhu oh depends on Service Worker neat!
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: which is an opportunity for someone to create a disambiguation page on wikipedia, as w3c is notable (twitter.com/_/status/697623100284923904)
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tantek https://www.w3.org/blog/news/archives/5286
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: here is a suitable citation: https://www.w3.org/blog/news/archives/5286 (twitter.com/_/status/697623379071913984)
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tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/2016
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: the indieweb summit dates are set for June 4th and 5th in Portland, OR (twitter.com/_/status/697623577827414016)
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GWG The 4th and 5th?
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tantek GWG, yes per that URL ^^^
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@kevinmarks @Techfollowy @t we did name it after that one, and follow their model yes, but this is Homebrew Website Club https://indiewebcamp.com/Homebrew_Website_Club (twitter.com/_/status/697624039511035905)
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GWG Ah, the irony.
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GWG I think I bid my vacation for the following week
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@WillaCassandra_ RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @t: the Micropub spec is the 2nd result on google, which is good when it competes with small public houses https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micropub (twitter.com/_/status/697624386107535360)
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@Valerie_Janelle RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @t: the Micropub spec is the 2nd result on google, which is good when it competes with small public houses https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micropub (twitter.com/_/status/697624387999158272)
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@IMJACKTG RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @t: the Micropub spec is the 2nd result on google, which is good when it competes with small public houses https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micropub (twitter.com/_/status/697624388842229760)
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@IMJACKTG RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @t: which is an opportunity for someone to create a disambiguation page on wikipedia, as w3c is notable (twitter.com/_/status/697624389743996930)
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@IMJACKTG RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @t: here is a suitable citation: https://www.w3.org/blog/news/archives/5286 (twitter.com/_/status/697624391899811840)
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@ginomartignetti RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @t: the Micropub spec is the 2nd result on google, which is good when it competes with small public houses https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micropub (twitter.com/_/status/697624393162362880)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: who has something to share or something that they need help with (twitter.com/_/status/697624460413825024)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: the open bot Trink I showed last meeting is now a real project for Withknown that we are building (twitter.com/_/status/697624710138499073)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: the Known open source project is getting lots of pull requests now, and there is a Docker repo (twitter.com/_/status/697625173097324545)
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KartikPrabhu benwerd++ for Known traction+adoption by many
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Loqi benwerd has 105 karma
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kylewmahan: on my known site I added a notification screen for things that would otherwise go to email from Known (twitter.com/_/status/697626216543731712)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kylewmahan: I was trying out the HTML5 notifications today so it will show me notifications when things come in (twitter.com/_/status/697626474287861760)
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: should the FF notification stuff not show up unless I am logged in to your site?
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: every browser has set up a behind the scenes push notification server for their browser, which will call your service worker (twitter.com/_/status/697626692966338560)
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KartikPrabhu tantek: any link for browser support of that?
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aaronpk http://caniuse.com/push
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: doh! should have checked that thanks
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tantek https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/notification
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aaronpk caniuse++
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Loqi caniuse has 0 karma
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: also thanks for the no "#" URL ;)
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KartikPrabhu wait what!
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KartikPrabhu caniuse++
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Loqi caniuse has 1 karma
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aaronpk hashurl--
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Loqi hashurl has -1 karma
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tantek what is a hashurl?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "hashurl" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10DW
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aaronpk i dont know i just made that up
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: having notifications is interesting anyway - maybe you can hook it up to the SWAT0 flow (twitter.com/_/status/697627553117442048)
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KartikPrabhu is surprised that FF43 is still leading in usage
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tantek is that like a capability URL?
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aaronpk it's when the URL has a # on it but really it should be its own URL
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tantek oh those
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gRegorLove What is hashbang?
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Loqi A shebang (or hashbang) is the character sequence #! https://indiewebcamp.com/hashbang
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: I got something minor done - automatic POSSE to flickr of Photos and maybe video (twitter.com/_/status/697628217331601408)
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Vendan technically that's the "fragment" of the url
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aaronpk which should be used to reference a specific location of a page
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: I built this on brid.gy publish to flickr, which means I am publishing syndication URLs to flickr too (twitter.com/_/status/697628374479597568)
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aaronpk not act as though it's actually a permalink to a new page
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gRegorLove Usage seems to be declining, at least. From my anecdotal experience.
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aaronpk I hope caniuse.com drops it eventually
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Vendan they were more used back in the days before javascript history push support
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gRegorLove hashurl is /shebang
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Loqi ok
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KevinMarks I've seen lots of fragment pollution recently - medium does that
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Loqi KevinMarks: tantek left you a message 1 hour, 18 minutes ago: coming to HWC? ETA? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-10/line/1455157937769
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@ginomartignetti RT @kevinmarks #indieweb @t: I built this on brid.gy publish to flickr, which means I am publishing syndication URLs to flickr too (twitter.com/_/status/697629652244963329)
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tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/2016-01-01-commitments
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KevinMarks a title-less blogger post from 2001 http://epeus.blogspot.com/2001/11/dan-gillmor-is-complaining-about-that.html
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: we are now 100% on our January commitments as @aaronpk shipped his site https://indiewebcamp.com/2016-01-01-commitments (twitter.com/_/status/697630415037849600)
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aaronpk *WHEW*
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aaronpk thank goodness I got that in before the end of january!
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tantek https://slack-files.com/T03QR2B2T-F0LFT9G3T-fe40b97474
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aaronpk oh neat, I hadn't seen that last iteration yet
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aaronpk I like the bottom left one
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tantek same
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tantek https://twitter.com/crystaldbeasley/status/694924238977798145
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@crystaldbeasley @veganstraightedge @andigalpern @t @aaronpk As the person who designed the first one, I approve! ;) (twitter.com/_/status/694924238977798145)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: we also have a new Indiewebcamp logo design from Shaners https://slack-files.com/T03QR2B2T-F0LFT9G3T-fe40b97474 http://indiewebcamp.com/logo (twitter.com/_/status/697630965426950144)
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Loqi [mention] Jason Garber wrote a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/Homebrew_Website_Club https://webmention.io/notification/1V5kmhG4IP0A51FwfTnU8A
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KevinMarks bottom left seems like consensus
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KevinMarks and when it's yellow it will be a Pacman
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tantek what do people think of timing with the summit? can you +1/0/-1? https://indiewebcamp.com/logo#Logo_change_at_IndieWeb_Summit_2016
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tantek aaronpk: we'll need an updated squarespace parody ;)
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aaronpk ha
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KartikPrabhu you should use this year's squarespace ad... which was terrible actually
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aaronpk was there a new squarespace superbowl ad this year?
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Loqi agreed.
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KartikPrabhu yeah I thought I saw one
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kevinmarks.com edited /logo (+20) "/* Logo change at IndieWeb Summit 2016 */" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk: no - new logo!
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tantek new indiewebcamp logo at the end of the parody :)
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tantek for showing at IndieWeb Summit
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aaronpk yes but maybe there is a new squarespace ad too!
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KartikPrabhu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nG_wVxO7EM
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @rrrrrrrix: I built a webring - because I use it as an interview question (twitter.com/_/status/697631803247562752)
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KartikPrabhu its pretty bad
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sixtwothree.org edited /logo (+17) "/* Logo change at IndieWeb Summit 2016 */ Adding my plus-one." (view diff)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @rrrrrrrix: so I have a DHT based webring in javascript for matrix (twitter.com/_/status/697631886068346880)
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tantek what is a webring?
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Loqi A webring is a collection of websites linked together in a circular structure https://indiewebcamp.com/webring
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KartikPrabhu what is DHT?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "DHT" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10DX
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kylewm I'm guesising distributed hash table
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kylewm shows off lack of CS knowledge
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: I like the idea of a webring, and of a public timeline - as it shows 'here are the people" (twitter.com/_/status/697632479444889600)
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@olivermakes @jgarber Closed some GitHub issues for my site and created an indieweb label for writing: https://olivermak.es/label/indieweb/ 🔧 (twitter.com/_/status/697632502228209664)
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matrrix http://ring.whatthefuck.computer
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @rrrrrrrix: instructions for adding your site to the distributed webring is at http://ring.whatthefuck.computer (twitter.com/_/status/697632807414267904)
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tantek Hmm: "Visit our dope website / Build a dope website"
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Loqi [mention] Kevin Marks posted "#indieweb @t: we are now 100% on our January commitments as @aaronpk shipped his..." https://brid-gy.appspot.com/post/twitter/aaronpk/697630415037849600 that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/micropub and https://indiewebcamp.com/2016-01-01-commitments https://webmention.io/notification/E99Vd5sjqZU9pIhdwvQVZg
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mblaney I think there was talk of a square version of the logo the other day?
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mblaney shouldn't even bother now. just pacman.
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tantek hey mblaney when did you start using /dobrado on your personal site? do you have a permalink to a first post with it or something like that?
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tantek looking to updated https://indiewebcamp.com/Projects#Dobrado the way that jgarber updated his following FrancisCMS
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mblaney tantek: https://unicyclic.com/mal/2013-06-20-First_Post
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tantek cool! can you add that to the wiki entry there ^^^ ?
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unicyclic.com mal edited /projects (+17) "/* Dobrado */" (view diff)
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olivermak.es edited /2016/DC (+23) "/* Interested */ adding oliverpattison" (view diff)
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mblaney hope that's ok
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Loqi [indienews] New post: https://aaronparecki.com/2016/02/10/23/ http://news.indiewebcamp.com/en/aaronparecki.com/2016/02/10/23/
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@kevinmarks #indieweb Homebrew Website Club @ Mozilla SF https://www.instagram.com/p/BBofTYLxKF6/ (twitter.com/_/status/697638895412977665)
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Loqi [indieweb] "#indieweb Homebrew Website Club" by Kevin Marks http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/indieweb-homebrew-website-club
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Loqi [indieweb] "@martinvars if you use an indieweb site like withknown.com and reply to tweets from it, then you will get exactly that behaviour. Try it out" by Kevin Marks http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/martinvars-if-you-use-an-indieweb-site-like-withknowncom-and
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tantek mblaney: yes that's good! link the date to your first post
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tantek !tell jgarber could you link your "2016-01-14" to your post on that date? https://indiewebcamp.com/projects#FrancisCMS
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jgarber tantek: I flipped the switch on FrancisCMS on 2016-01-14 but didn't write an announcement post until tonight. Sufficient to link to tonight's post but keep the launch date accurate?
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Loqi jgarber: tantek left you a message 2 minutes ago: could you link your "2016-01-14" to your post on that date? https://indiewebcamp.com/projects#FrancisCMS http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-10/line/1455165156542
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sixtwothree.org edited /FrancisCMS (+103) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ Add link to public announcement of sixtwothree.org re-launch." (view diff)
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@bstockdale @LessonsOfBS https://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/697661537540902912)
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aaronpk I'm not going to restore next/prev links until I figure out how to properly scope them
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aaronpk for example, if you're viewing a tag, I want the "next" link to go to the next photo that matches that tag
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Loqi gives aaronpk the "next" link to go to the next photo that matches that tag
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kylewm maybe use Flickr for prior art there
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kylewm But not the part where they could never decide if left was older or newer
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KartikPrabhu haha!
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Loqi nice
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KartikPrabhu use the words "older/newer" and it isn't amiguous where you're going
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kylewm I think the issue there was sets are arbitrarily ordered, but id order mine chronologically oldest to newest. So sets went in the opposite direction from the photo stream
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: yes that is problem with the standard reverse-chronology on the web
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@CaptainKurtis This is 1 reason why @sensiblemn uses @withknown. Now we own canonical version of all social media posts. #indieweb https://twitter.com/FearDept/status/697000901307858944 (twitter.com/_/status/697694981188931584)
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@Frau_Semm RT @wke Für HMTL5 - back to the roots beim #wke2016 : @jkphl mit IndieWeb - Deine Daten, dein Netz! https://www.webkongress.fau.de/referenten/joschi-kuphal/ https://twitter.com/wke/status/695696476459110401/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/697701190675664896)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Notes from tonight's Homebrew Website Club on my site http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2016-02-10.html #indieweb" by Kevin Marks http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/notes-from-tonights-homebrew-website-club-on-my-site-hwc2016-02-10html
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@kevinmarks Notes from tonight's Homebrew Website Club on my site http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2016-02-10.html #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/697713220509827072)
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Jeena what is webring
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Loqi A webring is a collection of websites linked together in a circular structure https://indiewebcamp.com/webring
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petermolnar lol haven't seen that word in a decade
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Jeena I still don't know what it means
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Jeena ah the wikipedia explains it better
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cweiske that was the time before search engines
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Jeena I see, so before my time, I bought my first PC end of 2002
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petermolnar Jeena in short: it was like an ad banner but the banners were for personal sites
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petermolnar kind of a random-discovery thing
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cweiske webrings were often theme-specific
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Jeena I see
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cweiske e.g. a ring for all people who like discworld
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cweiske so you could click to the homepage of the next one who likes discworld
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Jeena was it different to a blogroll?
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cweiske yes
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petermolnar yes
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cweiske it was centrally managed
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petermolnar it was not hand managed by you
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cweiske and you only included the "widget"
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cweiske on your site
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Jeena oh I see
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cweiske ha. the word widget wasn't even invented at that time
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Jeena so you would run some javascript from a different provider and this provider would then create a link and a image on your site which would point so some other website in this webring?
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KartikPrabhu the "you didn't manage" part is bad
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cweiske yes
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cweiske but javascript wasn't en vouge at that time
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cweiske or rather it was the time of the browser wars
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Jeena ok, so how would you do it without javascript?
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cweiske with netscape and internet explorer implementing different javascript APIs
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cweiske DHTML
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cweiske so you had to to have two code paths, one for each browser
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cweiske frameset or iframe
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cweiske IIRC
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Jeena ah
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cweiske no
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cweiske easier
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cweiske you only linked to an image and to a hard-coded URL
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cweiske and that redirected you dynamically
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cweiske KartikPrabhu: central management by the ring owner was a feature, not a bug
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sknebel some had buttons for next/prev/list/random, but I don't know if they gave you an iframe or
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cweiske so you had a central point to register yourself
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sknebel had you copy the entire HTML
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cweiske sknebel, yes, that's what I mean by linking to an image and a hard-coded url
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sknebel (it was the time of "copy this snippet in your page and magic happens"
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cweiske just as it is now with the terminal
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KartikPrabhu cweiske: "was" you mean "was considered"
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sknebel (I recently found this page full of strange-ish javascript snippets again: http://rainbow.arch.scriptmania.com/scripts/index.html )
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cweiske cool
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petermolnar we could revive this, based on irc-people :D
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petermolnar the only thing more retro I could think of is nntp, but that is not the web
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KartikPrabhu ohboy! no way I'm having this on my site unless I approve it
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cweiske i'm actually still using nnt
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cweiske p
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Jeena aah cweiske redirection, ok I get it now I think
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petermolnar Jeena http://dir.webring.org/rw
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petermolnar something like this
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cweiske example: http://www.webring.org/h/whatiswr
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Jeena hehe ok thanks ^^
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cweiske "Here's an example of a NavBar:
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cweiske "
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Jeena it looks awfull, now that I know what it is I don't want it anymore :p
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petermolnar :D
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petermolnar there was a time when it didn't look awful
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Jeena hehe
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@d0gada Enabled #IndieWeb webmentions on https://dogada.org/ (https://dogada.org/dvd/blog/enabled-webmentions) (twitter.com/_/status/697724369548627968)
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Loqi [mention] Kevin Marks wrote a post that linked to a photo: "logo" http://indiewebcamp.com/logo https://webmention.io/notification/do3u68-aUS3iuIm5_5F8DA
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Schnitz mornin'
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petermolnar hi Schnitz
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Schnitz hey peter
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Schnitz thanks for the books btw, had a great time reading them on my vacation
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petermolnar I was about to ask on #indiechat, but you're not in there
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@coect_net RT @d0gada Enabled #IndieWeb webmentions on https://dogada.org/ (https://dogada.org/dvd/blog/enabled-webmentions) (twitter.com/_/status/697759196884942849)
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petermolnar it seems we're gaining momentum on webmentions
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Phyks oh, KartikPrabhu left? =(
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@lc_link_preview This article … - http://indiewebcamp.com/link-preview was just previewed by @TheLeoCardz's Link Preview (http://lab.leocardz.com/facebook-link-preview-php--jquery/) #lclp #af022 (twitter.com/_/status/697790054211719168)
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@lc_link_preview This article … - http://indiewebcamp.com/link-preview was just previewed by @TheLeoCardz's Link Preview (http://lab.leocardz.com/facebook-link-preview-php--jquery/) #lclp #4153c (twitter.com/_/status/697790055541248001)
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cweiske.de uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:pinterest link preview.png]]""
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petermolnar http://www.factmag.com/2016/02/11/soundcloud-financial-report-44m-losses/ - should we put SoundCloud on death watch?
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cweiske every silo is on the death watch
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petermolnar fair point
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Loqi [indieweb] "Liked Jason Garber's Launching FrancisCMS onto the IndieWeb" by Tino Kremer https://tinokremer.nl/2016/liked-jason-garbers-launching-franciscms-onto-the-indieweb-943b59cfdc
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@wiobyrne Lightweight blogging, publishing, and sharing using Known #indieweb http://wiobyrne.com/lightweight-blogging-publishing-and-sharing-using-known/ https://twitter.com/wiobyrne/status/697808081812529153/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/697808081812529153)
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Schnitz yes SoundCloud is definitely dying... I'm enjoying the last days there...
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Schnitz responding to cweiske petermolnar
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aaronpk what's going to replace it?
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@jkphl ✒ wrote a little sth about the #indieweb and the @indiewebcamp Nuremberg http://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg in the @nueww blog http://nueww.de/blog/article/Post/show/indieweb-unsere-daten-unser-netz-96/ (twitter.com/_/status/697814945795346433)
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Schnitz aaronpk to be honest, thought about this for a while - nothing
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Schnitz and this is good and bad ... good for us, because new silos don't seem to come up again, the era is over. Bad, because there is a lot of good community their, and it will be gone for good. Bandcamp will take over a bit, but thats different
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singpolyma youtube has eaten a lot of soundcloud
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loic_m (just realizing who is jkphl ^^)
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jkphl loic_m: :)
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loic_m jkphl> I'll try to come to material.is ;)
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jkphl loic_m: awesome - would love to see you there!
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loic_m I'd love too:)
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loic_m Is there a page on the wiki where there's documentation about running an indiewebcamp?
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@cedricziel @jkphl sure you dont mean http://nueww.de/blog/article/Post/show/indieweb-unsere-daten-unser-netz-96/d9b831d86e233f016654c5f4cf56618d/ ? (twitter.com/_/status/697819044154642432)
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jkphl loic_m: http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieWebCamps#How_to_organize
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Loqi [bridgy] Cedric Ziel replied '@jkphl sure you dont mean nueww.de/blog/article/P… ?' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg (https://twitter.com/cedricziel/status/697819044154642432)
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Loqi [bridgy] Joschi Kuphal 吉 replied '@cedricziel Should work again (as far as one can consider that speed as "working...' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg (https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/697821741410861056)
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Loqi [bridgy] Cedric Ziel replied '@jkphl That went to some overview page from 2013' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg (https://twitter.com/cedricziel/status/697819590420774913)
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Loqi [bridgy] Joschi Kuphal 吉 replied '@cedricziel :/ Must be a CoolURI hickup — again. And the @mittwald server is suu...' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg (https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/697820511859011585)
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Loqi [bridgy] Joschi Kuphal 吉 replied '@cedricziel ? Didn't I post that exact URL (excluding the chash)?' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg (https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/697819479967985664)
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jgarber This may be an IRC newbie question, but when someone leaves you a message with "!tell", is there a way to be shown that message without posting publicly? (I've had at least one of these messages waiting for me in the recent past, but it only showed once I'd posted something publicly).
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bear not an IRC newb question at all - the !tell messages are via the bot Loqi
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Loqi grins profusely
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bear so it will only post a response when it sees you are active
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jgarber bear: Ah! Okay, that explains why I couldn't find anything about "!tell" in IRC tutorials. Thanks for the explanation. :)
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jgarber bear++
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Loqi bear has 104 karma
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bear now tho you have me wondering if loqi responds to dm's
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Loqi who, me?
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aaronpk a long time ago it used to send the message when you joined the channel, but that triggered a lot of false positives
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aaronpk Loqi sometimes responds to DMs, but the !tells are all channel-scoped so that wouldn't work
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bear if I private msg loqi will it respond with messages over dm's
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Loqi who, me?
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bear ah
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aaronpk jgarber: that's why you see some people say "Loqi messages" right after they join the channel here
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jgarber aaronpk: Gotcha. Good to know there's a "convention" more or less.
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aaronpk or a friendly "hi everyone" works too :)
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jgarber Hi, everyone! :waves: :)
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[kevinmarks] Interesting re the decentralisation conversation last night https://medium.com/@oditorium/distributed-vs-centralised-crypto-chains-9b23cc555f10#.721rzwnyw
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M-RyanRix Gmorn
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Loqi [indieweb] "Lightweight blogging, publishing, and sharing using Known #indieweb" https://plus.google.com/+IanOByrne/posts/gY7xcUqazxn
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@pfefferle RT @jkphl ✒ wrote a little sth about the #indieweb and the @indiewebcamp Nuremberg http://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg in the @nueww blog http://nueww.de/blog/article/Post/show/indieweb-unsere-daten-unser-netz-96/ (twitter.com/_/status/697837134259056640)
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[shaners] I still owe the channel another blog post with the latest round of IWC logo Iterations. I just got swamped the past few days. And writing these posts up with all the images is an undertaking. I'll try to get it done in the next couple few days.
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[shaners] Tantek et al: I like the idea of launching new branding for IWC summit. That'll give me enough time to work through the full style guide of use cases.
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kylewm shaners: very positive reaction to the pacman version of the logo at HWC last night
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kylewm well very positive reaction in general
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kylewm anybody have a good idea for name for a posse-via-micropub Known plugin?
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veganstraightedge.com edited /logo (+148) "/* Adopt {{shaners}}'s proposal */" (view diff)
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veganstraightedge.com edited /logo (+94) "/* +1 Logo change at IndieWeb Summit 2016 */" (view diff)
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[shaners] kylewm: thanks. good to know.
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kylewm calling it IndieSyndicate (to mirror IndiePub, the micropub plugin), speak now or forever hold your peace
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kylewm (I mean speaking later is also fine, it's easy to change)
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aaronpk how about Sindiecate :P
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kylewm lol
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KevinMarks do people understand syndicate?
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KevinMarks Share is what it tends to be called these days
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@nueww RT @jkphl ✒ wrote a little sth about the #indieweb and the @indiewebcamp Nuremberg http://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg in the @nueww blog http://nueww.de/blog/article/Post/show/indieweb-unsere-daten-unser-netz-96/ (twitter.com/_/status/697854522417397760)
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bear SiloShare
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KevinMarks MicroPublican
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bear :)
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kylewm hmm, this plugin is stepping on Convoy's toes a bit
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kylewm what is share?
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Loqi share is a watered down verb that's used on the "social web" (and other platforms like Google's Android) to mean pretty much any action https://indiewebcamp.com/share
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KevinMarks heh
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KevinMarks what is syndicate?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "syndicate" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10DY
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kylewm wat!
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KevinMarks what is syndication?
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Loqi syndication may refer to: https://indiewebcamp.com/syndication
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kylewm yeah Loqi I think it probably does
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Loqi yo
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KevinMarks syndicate is /syndication
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loqi.me created /syndicate (+24) "prompted by KevinMarks https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-11/line/1455216596339 and dfn added by KevinMarks" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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aaronpk is Convoy like paid silo.pub?
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kylewm yes but
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kylewm tight integration with Known, non-developer centric
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aaronpk no API then?
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kylewm plus different targets that I'll never have like LinkedIn and Google+
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kylewm no public API, no
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kylewm i think ben was originally thinking about having an API for it so platforms other than Known could use it
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aaronpk oh no I got &quot in my tweet
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@nueww Wir haben einen Fokus auf das #IndieWeb. Lest bei uns im Blog mehr über "Unsere Daten. Unser Netz." http://nueww.de/blog/article/Post/show/indieweb-unsere-daten-unser-netz-96/d9b831d86e233f016654c5f4cf56618d/ #nueww (twitter.com/_/status/697858935563403269)
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@jkphl RT @nueww Wir haben einen Fokus auf das #IndieWeb. Lest bei uns im Blog mehr über "Unsere Daten. Unser Netz." http://nueww.de/blog/article/Post/show/indieweb-unsere-daten-unser-netz-96/d9b831d86e233f016654c5f4cf56618d/ #nueww (twitter.com/_/status/697859620950446080)
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@tollwerk RT @nueww Wir haben einen Fokus auf das #IndieWeb. Lest bei uns im Blog mehr über "Unsere Daten. Unser Netz." http://nueww.de/blog/article/Post/show/indieweb-unsere-daten-unser-netz-96/d9b831d86e233f016654c5f4cf56618d/ #nueww (twitter.com/_/status/697859620979806208)
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@wwnrw RT @nueww Wir haben einen Fokus auf das #IndieWeb. Lest bei uns im Blog mehr über "Unsere Daten. Unser Netz." http://nueww.de/blog/article/Post/show/indieweb-unsere-daten-unser-netz-96/d9b831d86e233f016654c5f4cf56618d/ #nueww (twitter.com/_/status/697859821601738752)
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@workingdraft RT @nueww Wir haben einen Fokus auf das #IndieWeb. Lest bei uns im Blog mehr über "Unsere Daten. Unser Netz." http://nueww.de/blog/article/Post/show/indieweb-unsere-daten-unser-netz-96/d9b831d86e233f016654c5f4cf56618d/ #nueww (twitter.com/_/status/697859821647876096)
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@srbanister RT @nueww Wir haben einen Fokus auf das #IndieWeb. Lest bei uns im Blog mehr über "Unsere Daten. Unser Netz." http://nueww.de/blog/article/Post/show/indieweb-unsere-daten-unser-netz-96/d9b831d86e233f016654c5f4cf56618d/ #nueww (twitter.com/_/status/697860001440886784)
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KevinMarks thats a very thoroughv article
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kylewm aaronpk: I had a — in my tweet the other day, think silopub should convert those?
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aaronpk I don't think so, because then you couldn't post a literal — or "
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kylewm ok yeah you're right
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aaronpk i just don't know where it came from
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aaronpk ohh it's because I use the rendered version of the post to send through silo.pub
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aaronpk that's bad. I need to use the original source
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jkphl KevinMarks: thanks :) (and sorry that it's german only)
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aaronpk wonder if I can study that article to help improve my german vocabulary for this stuff
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KevinMarks my german is not good enough to get all of it, but google translate and hovering to see the original helps
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Schnitz I happy to help you guys, I'm german native speaker
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jkphl aaronpk: ha, not sure about that. sometimes people tell me that my vocabulary is somewhat ... well, mediaeval. ;)
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@belp_audio RT @nueww Wir haben einen Fokus auf das #IndieWeb. Lest bei uns im Blog mehr über "Unsere Daten. Unser Netz." http://nueww.de/blog/article/Post/show/indieweb-unsere-daten-unser-netz-96/d9b831d86e233f016654c5f4cf56618d/ #nueww (twitter.com/_/status/697863525067288577)
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tantek good morning #indiewebcamp!
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M-RyanRix good morning tantek
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tantek what is NNTP?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "NNTP" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10DZ
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tantek !tell petermolnar if you want to add an "At Risk" just before "Past" on https://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths#Past with Soundcloud and that citation that would be one way of capturing it.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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petermolnar what is usenet?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "usenet" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10D_
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petermolnar tantek I'm skipping adding it yet, that article turned out to be pure speculation
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tantek you could add it to the "Speculation" section already there!
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tantek re: share vs. syndicate
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tantek I get the sense that a "share" is a manual human action
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tantek whereas "syndicate" is automatic, passive.
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tantek has to resist misspelling automatic with two Ts
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tantek KevinMarks: I'm totally ignoring that crypto chain clickbait you linked to per https://indiewebcamp.com/bitcoin#Criticism
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kylewm aaronpk++ for indieauth-client-php, saved me a ton of time on this plugin
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Loqi aaronpk has 73 karma
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aaronpk oh good
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KevinMarks this line was interesting "However, I hope it has become clear that this debate is not as clearcut as the current Blockchain-related practices suggest, where noone seems the question the ‘distribution is better’ mantra (it is of course undoubtedly better to get funded, but this is a discussion for a different day)."
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KevinMarks why are people happy to fund decentralised bitcoin?
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tantek !tell jgarber how was HWC DC? Did you take a photo? Post to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-02-10-homebrew-website-club#Photos !
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek KevinMarks: now that is a good question. I suspect it has less to do with "decentralised" and more to do with "this thing *might* replace other forms of currency"
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jgarber tantek: Dropped the ball on a photo, but our first meeting went well! Seven of us got together and shared our sites and what we hoped to get to work on and get out of HWC DC. The venue (coffee shop/restaurant) wasn't really conducive to coding so we're going to find a quieter space for next time.
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Loqi jgarber: tantek left you a message 1 minute ago: how was HWC DC? Did you take a photo? Post to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-02-10-homebrew-website-club#Photos ! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-11/line/1455221029360
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tantek that is, if you can get any critical mass / uptake with a currency alternative, you will likely get funding (money is greedy for more money)
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Loqi [bridgy] Will Cadell replied '@nichom @aaronpk yes, but its a very precise line :)' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/micropub (https://twitter.com/geo_will/status/697874209658130433)
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Loqi [mention] D.V.D. wrote a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/reply https://webmention.io/notification/z7Tl0nLi2x3uK4r17_9u3g
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aaronpk *sigh* should I take out micropub.net from my twitter bio so all my home page mentions don't show up in this channel?
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snarfed i'm open to suggestions on how bridgy handles links in twitter bios
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snarfed the tradeoff is that many other users have multiple homepages and wanted bridgy to grok them all, and the only place to put the add'l ones is bio
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aaronpk do you have a sense of how many people that's true for?
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aaronpk if it's not a ton, you could have them enter their other URLs in a bridgy interface after connecting twitter
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snarfed i ran those stats a bit ago; i'll try to find them
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snarfed i guess the other point is that bridgy has one set of home pages that it uses for both OPD and mention notifs
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snarfed i could separate them...but i'd still need some UI like you mention, or other heuristic
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snarfed aaronpk: some stats in https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/323#issuecomment-67715430 . not a histogram though, which is what we want here
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kylewm alternatively, if aaronpk is the first person who's ever been bothered by it, could just add it to a config file :P
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kylewm (alternative to UI/heuristics)
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cweiske does anyone here provide opensearch descriptions for their site? is it worth it? are there non-browser clients?
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tantek what is opensearch?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "opensearch" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10De
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snarfed kylewm: lol true, it'd be trivial to blacklist micropub.net :P aaronpk want me to do that?
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aaronpk and oauth.net while you're at it
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aaronpk lol that's an awful solution
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aaronpk "solution"
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snarfed eh true but it is something
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snarfed up to you
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kylewm manual til it hurts
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snarfed :P
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aaronpk ha yeah go for it if you don't mind that hack
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snarfed not at all, will do
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aaronpk here's an idea for a minimal UI for a better solution. after I auth with twitter, show me a list of all the links it finds in my bio and website field, and allow me to un-select individual ones if I want
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snarfed i like it!
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aaronpk no typing required, and if peopel do nothing, it behaves as it currently does.
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kylewm oh yeah that's a lot better :)
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snarfed generating the histogram for all users now, just out of curiosity
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gregorlove.com created /opensearch (+193) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-11/line/1455222236817" (view diff)
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aaronpk "and syndicating its search results"? what does that mean?
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snarfed fwiw opensearch is pretty old and afaik not widely adopted
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aaronpk i've only heard of the use of opensearch to add site search to a browser toolbar
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gRegorLove Borrowed from http://www.opensearch.org/Documentation/Frequently_asked_questions#What_is_OpenSearch.3F. I didn't dig deep :)
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snarfed maybe not worth thinking too hard about
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aaronpk our wiki has it
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aaronpk type "indiewebcamp.com: " into your address bar and you'll see
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aaronpk still works on latest chrome
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aaronpk https://aaronparecki.com/2011/07/11/3/how-to-let-google-power-opensearch-on-your-website
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gRegorLove I have lots of sites in my browser that use it.
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gRegorLove Wikipedia
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gRegorLove (Probably any mediawiki)
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cweiske.de uploaded /File:opensearch_chromium_init.png "Chromium has already visited cweiske.de once and thus knows about its opensearch description"
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aaronpk yeah it's in mediawiki by default
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snarfed ah sure, the browser integration part definitely
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snarfed iirc that was a small part of the spec/vision, but useful, agreed
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cweiske.de uploaded /File:opensearch_chromium_input.png "After writing cweiske.de, I pressed tab in chromium"
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cweiske.de uploaded /File:opensearch_chromium_results.png "I pressed "Return" after typing my search word, and am shown the result page."
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gRegorLove cweiske++ for screenshots
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Loqi cweiske has 44 karma
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aaronpk nice
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cweiske aaronpk, https://aaronparecki.com/2011/07/11/3/how-to-let-google-power-opensearch-on-your-website links to itself
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cweiske "other mentions"
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aaronpk lol
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cweiske and this time it's not my fault
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gRegorLove If you liked this post, you might like this post
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aaronpk no idea how that got there
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@muhh Ganz schwer gerade zu entscheiden ob ich dort hin oder zum @wordcampnbg soll. #IndieWebcamp #nueww http://nueww.de/blog/article/Post/show/indieweb-unsere-daten-unser-netz-96/ (twitter.com/_/status/697889143062405120)
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@ingodibella Der Artikel "IndieWeb" von @jkphl ist wirklich gut geworden! Leseempfehlung! #nueww http://nueww.de/blog/article/Post/show/indieweb-unsere-daten-unser-netz-96/d9b831d86e233f016654c5f4cf56618d/ (twitter.com/_/status/697889503931932674)
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@jkphl @muhh Was'n da schwer? Vorschlag: Samstag @indiewebcamp, Samstag Abend @wordcampnbg-Party, Sonntag #indiewebcamp. Na? ;) (twitter.com/_/status/697891499825086464)
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@ingodibella RT @muhh Ganz schwer gerade zu entscheiden ob ich dort hin oder zum @wordcampnbg soll. #IndieWebcamp #nueww http://nueww.de/blog/article/Post/show/indieweb-unsere-daten-unser-netz-96/ (twitter.com/_/status/697894079204614144)
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@dkreuz RT @ingodibella Der Artikel "IndieWeb" von @jkphl ist wirklich gut geworden! Leseempfehlung! #nueww http://nueww.de/blog/article/Post/show/indieweb-unsere-daten-unser-netz-96/d9b831d86e233f016654c5f4cf56618d/ (twitter.com/_/status/697904968158855169)
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@kevinmarks @puellavulnerata @nydwracu @kragen @maradydd @thequux we have web based protocols to help with this at http://indiewebcamp.com (twitter.com/_/status/697906235455057920)
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@kragen RT @kevinmarks @puellavulnerata @nydwracu @kragen @maradydd @thequux we have web based protocols to help with this at http://indiewebcamp.com (twitter.com/_/status/697907375076986881)
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@kevinmarks @kragen @puellavulnerata @nydwracu @maradydd @thequux creating another monoculture is not a good idea http://indiewebcamp.com/monoculture (twitter.com/_/status/697907805756350465)
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@kragen RT @kevinmarks @kragen @puellavulnerata @nydwracu @maradydd @thequux creating another monoculture is not a good idea http://indiewebcamp.com/monoculture (twitter.com/_/status/697908048724152321)
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Loqi [bridgy] kragen replied '@kevinmarks I really respect the work you're doing, but it solves a different pr...' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://twitter.com/kragen/status/697906985816166400)
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Loqi [bridgy] Kevin Marks replied '@kragen @puellavulnerata @nydwracu @maradydd @thequux you'll have a web mapping ...' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/697907368340774912)
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Loqi [bridgy] kragen replied '@kevinmarks @puellavulnerata @nydwracu @maradydd @thequux Well, @gojomo and @mli...' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://twitter.com/kragen/status/697910568456421377)
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Loqi [bridgy] kragen replied '@kevinmarks @puellavulnerata @nydwracu @maradydd @thequux @gojomo @mlinksva …I'm...' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://twitter.com/kragen/status/697910730071343104)
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Loqi [bridgy] kragen replied '@kevinmarks The problems we're trying to solve aren't even on your radar yet, AF...' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://twitter.com/kragen/status/697907152464277507)
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Loqi [bridgy] Kevin Marks replied '@kragen @puellavulnerata @nydwracu @maradydd @thequux creating another monocultu...' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/697907805756350465)
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Loqi [bridgy] kragen replied '@kevinmarks An excellent point, and one I heartily agree with. @puellavulnerata ...' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://twitter.com/kragen/status/697908137735688192)
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Loqi [bridgy] kragen replied '@kevinmarks An excellent point, and one I heartily agree with. @puellavulnerata ...' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/monoculture (https://twitter.com/kragen/status/697908137735688192)
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Loqi [bridgy] kragen replied '@kevinmarks I've been thinking maybe a new URL scheme might work, or a DNS hack ...' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://twitter.com/kragen/status/697907891014144000)
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Loqi [bridgy] Kevin Marks replied '@kragen @puellavulnerata @nydwracu @maradydd @thequux like a magnet URL subset?' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/697910294224371712)
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cleverdevil anyone having trouble with bridgy lately?
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cleverdevil particularly with the latest version of Known?
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snarfed cleverdevil: what's going wrong?
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cleverdevil just getting errors sending info over
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snarfed ...publish? backfeed? which user?
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cleverdevil I have a post syndicated from Known to Facebook, and details aren't being backfed... user is https://brid.gy/facebook/10101418101899349
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snarfed ah
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Schnitz I can check whether its working with me, wait a sec
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snarfed cleverdevil: :( looks like https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/368
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snarfed https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/368#issuecomment-136838948
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cleverdevil nice.
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aaronpk oh my god that's awful
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snarfed yuuuuup
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cleverdevil sighs.
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cleverdevil oh, Facebook.
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cleverdevil sometimes I wonder why I even bother :)
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snarfed exactly :(:(:(
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Schnitz Facebook is the end, really
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mblaney snarfed: speaking of bridgy I've had trouble with bridgy_omit_link not working recently.
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snarfed mblaney: do tell...?
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mblaney well it's as it sounds, I add ?bridgy_omit_link=true to my request and I still get a link in the tweet.
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mblaney want a log reference?
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Schnitz fb wanted me to identify cats or waterfalls for security since it found out that I'm linking to a page fb crawled by itself that links to a dropbox... right... security leak... how many cats do you see? This is so cynical https://twitter.com/belp_audio/status/697901544931356673
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@belp_audio http://raketenbasis.pancakeapps.com/ # Raketenbasis out of a dropbox. So pancake.io is working again… (http://belp.audio/post/139130340062/httpraketenbasispancakeappscom-raketenbasis#_=_) [photo] (twitter.com/_/status/697901544931356673)
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Schnitz BTW, that was 10 mins ago. Now pancake.io is offline again.. LOL
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cleverdevil snarfed, a way to manually fix things in bridgy when Facebook bones things up would be a good start.
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Schnitz no worries, I'm checking it out, no hard feelings
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snarfed mblaney: yes please!
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snarfed cleverdevil: agreed. i'll reopen that issue
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snarfed cleverdevil: you can use https://brid.gy/about#source-urls to send the missing wms manually, but that's kinda labor intensive
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cleverdevil nods
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aaronpk a little less labor intensive using telegraph!
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aaronpk but yes
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cleverdevil what's telegraph?
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aaronpk https://telegraph.p3k.io
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cleverdevil cool.
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mblaney snarfed looks like there's a problem displaying logs right now, but this link should work: https://brid.gy/log?start_time=1454850153&key=aglzfmJyaWQtZ3lyNQsSCFJlc3BvbnNlIid0YWc6dHdpdHRlci5jb20sMjAxMzo2OTYyMzM1NDQyNjAwMDU4ODkM
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matrrix oh wow https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/368 is incredible
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Loqi [mention] Nick Martinelli wrote a post that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/micropub https://webmention.io/notification/lnvnfPia0_1lu24nNkMsag
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KevinMarks tries telegraph from last nights hwc sf notes
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aaronpk holds his breath
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KevinMarks I get a 400 for https://kylewm.com/
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aaronpk you should be able to click the icon and see the error
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KevinMarks apparently that's known rejecting homepage mentions
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Loqi yea
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snarfed hey kylewm do you know if known FB posse currently uses See Original?
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KevinMarks and pingback to w3.org failed https://telegraph.p3k.io/webmention/107OBYy7uyF7XrUulv/details
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aaronpk you know I haven't had a single pingback work yet... not sure why though
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snarfed if so you/they should consider switching away from that, since that's the root cause of https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/368
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snarfed mblaney: thanks, will look
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tantek KevinMarks: did you get anywhere with @kragen?
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tantek hard to follow that thread
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tantek and frankly, I have no patience for arrogance like this: https://twitter.com/kragen/status/697907152464277507
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@kragen @kevinmarks The problems we're trying to solve aren't even on your radar yet, AFAICT. @puellavulnerata @nydwracu @maradydd @thequux (twitter.com/_/status/697907152464277507)
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KevinMarks interesting, google's mobile html proxy got a new domain
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KevinMarks http://google.com/gwt/n?u=www.kevinmarks.com
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KevinMarks becomes http://googleweblight.com/?lite_url=http://www.kevinmarks.com&f=1&s=1&source=wax
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KevinMarks though it still dumps SVG
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tantek KevinMarks - did kragen ever provide a citation/URL that describes "The problems we're trying to solve aren't even on your radar yet" ?
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KevinMarks he's on about not depending on DNS
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aaronpk what is DNS?
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Loqi DNS is an abbreviation for Domain Name Server and often used to refer to the configuring thereof http://indiewebcamp.com/DNS
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aaronpk we've documented this right?
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aaronpk yes. maybe we should bump this sentence higher in the page: "For the purposes of IndieWebCamp and developing practical short-term federation, as well as peer to peer user experiences and protocols, we are not attempting to replace DNS, but rather build upon it with the hopes and expectations that the UXes we develop, and likely the protocols will advance federated systems development in general."
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KevinMarks http://indiewebcamp.com/federation#DNS_Exception
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tantek who was it that said the Google is indexing PuSH notifications better again? it has yet to index mine from a few hours ago, still only one result (not mine) for: https://www.google.com/search?q="negative+news+can+ruin+your+day"
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aaronpk and you're sure you pinged the PuSH hub?
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aaronpk that was a wirres.net who posted about it
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tantek *the* ?!?
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aaronpk their*
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tantek I gave up on theirs when their search seemed to start ignoring it, and switched to superfeedr
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aaronpk hm wirres.net is using switchboard.p3k.io so i guess pinging theirs isn't a requirement
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@kevinmarks @kragen @puellavulnerata @nydwracu @maradydd @thequux it's on our radar, but do feel free to add non-DNS examples http://indiewebcamp.com/federation#DNS_Exception (twitter.com/_/status/697924497895088128)
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aaronpk although in his post he says he pings google's hub
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aaronpk http://wirres.net/article/articleview/9291/1/6/
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tantek Thanks KevinMarks, you're helping prove the point
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tantek by linkslapping with our previous public work, while @kragen merely pontificates on Twitter
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KevinMarks in order to do that he needs to sign in to the wiki, which would involve making his webpage support indieauth
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KevinMarks :D
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tantek Not a single link from him to "more reading" or a citation to back anything up etc. in that entire thread. Lack of citation = armchair architect IMO which is a similar anti-pattern to architecture astronomy.
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tantek KevinMarks: and yes, the challenge to him to add to the wiki is a good one
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@kragen RT @kevinmarks @kragen @puellavulnerata @nydwracu @maradydd @thequux it's on our radar, but do feel free to add non-DNS examples http://indiewebcamp.com/federation#DNS_Exception (twitter.com/_/status/697925958951682052)
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kylewm snarfed: cleverdevil: Known does currently use "See Original", but Ben and I were just discussing yesterday that it needs to be removed asap
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snarfed yay!
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Loqi giggles
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kylewm and then honestly, we can close that Bridgy issue
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cleverdevil kylewm: makes sense to me... better off just putting the link in elsewhere
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aaronpk that was a fun hack while it lasted
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kylewm apparently there are other issues, people were reporting that Facebook wouldn't approve them for app permissions because of the link
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Loqi [bridgy] kragen replied '@kevinmarks I can see we're failing to communicate, because that's not what I'm ...' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/federation#DNS_Exception (https://twitter.com/kragen/status/697926192016531456)
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snarfed bridgy should probably also deprioritize its See Original usage
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kylewm one issue is I think sites need to publish u-syndication links with the URL style facebook.com/myusername/posts/12345
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kylewm instead of userid/posts/postid
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kylewm in order for posse-post-discovery to work
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aaronpk is that what silo.pub returns?
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kylewm yes
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aaronpk cause that's what i'm publishing as my u-syndication now
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kylewm but you have to manually tell silopub what your username is
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aaronpk that was a prompt during setup right?
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kylewm or of course, you can just put the link tothe original in the body of the facebook post -- but I don't like how that looks
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aaronpk i think i remember seeing a prompt with an explanation of why
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kylewm aaronpk: yes, i think so
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snarfed you can post a "link" object to avoid duplicating the url in the post body
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KevinMarks wait, appengine supports node now?
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snarfed ...which afaik is the same thing that happens in the UI when you add a link, get the preview, then remove the link from the text but keep the preview
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aaronpk oh yeah i've done that. but sometimes I also don't want that duplicated on facebook
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aaronpk especially for short things
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kylewm especially when your profile picture is the largest/only image on your page and it uses it for the preview
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aaronpk yes haha
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snarfed looks at github
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kylewm snarfed: is there any reason Bridgy can't do inferred user ID like it does inferred username?
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snarfed kylewm: because app scoped user ids?
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snarfed you mean, be promiscuous and infer many ids per user?
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kylewm that's what i mean, can you infer that my kylewm.com-app-scoped-user-id maps to my bridgy-app-scoped-id
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kylewm yeah i guess so
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snarfed sure, i guess we could
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@kevinmarks @kragen @nydwracu that sounds like http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieArchive (twitter.com/_/status/697931721539350528)
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@t @brunoshine yes! Like peer-to-peer #indieweb interactions with #microformats2. Stay tuned for browser support news. :) (ttk.me t4fh2) (twitter.com/_/status/697931735435063296)
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Loqi [indieweb] "@brunoshine yes! Like peer-to-peer #indieweb interactions with #microformats2. Stay tuned for browser support news. :)" http://tantek.com/2016/042/t2/indieweb-microformats2
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