#indiewebcamp 2016-02-12

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Loqi [bridgy] Kevin Marks replied '@kragen how about you write down what you are talking about as a webpage instead...' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieArchive (https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/697932955436523521)
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Loqi [bridgy] kragen replied '@kevinmarks While that is a very laudable project, it bears the same relationshi...' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieArchive (https://twitter.com/kragen/status/697932693267468290)
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aaronpk lol
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kylewm mm, what's the right way to mark up https://silo.pub/twitter.com/kylewmahan
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kylewm should it have u-url u-uid itself, and u-url to my twitter page?
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aaronpk what do you need the u-url to your twitter page for?
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kylewm well thats a good question... maybe i don't
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kylewm just need some way for Known to figure out which icon to use
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loqi.me created /DHT (+266) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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aaronpk the photo of the h-card would make sense
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aaronpk pretend it's not twitter, but it's some other indieweb site
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aaronpk like I want to syndicate from my personal site to my company blog which supports micropub
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kylewm you might want to display your company's favicon and the name of the blog in that case?
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aaronpk yeah, which presumably would be on the blog's home page
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aaronpk likely the home page h-card
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KevinMarks are you calling twitter to get the name etc?
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KevinMarks https://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=kylewmahan
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KevinMarks has an hcard on http://www.unmung.com/mf2?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fintent%2Fuser%3Fscreen_name%3Dkylewmahan&html=&pretty=on
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[shaners] kevinmarks: did you have a word for the rounded rect / pill shape that I tried in one of the logo iterations in the C?
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[shaners] I’m writing it up now and cant’ think what to call that shape
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KevinMarks well there is superellipse, but that is different form
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KevinMarks (a nice one)
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KevinMarks http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Superellipse.html
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KevinMarks the classic rectangle with circular corners is a roundrect
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KevinMarks http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=Round_Rects_Are_Everywhere.txt
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snarfed mblaney: ah, i see your problem. you need to add https://brid.gy/publish/twitter?bridgy_omit_link=true to your webmention request, not to the target url
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snarfed (looking at eg https://brid.gy/log?start_time=1454906797&key=aglzfmJyaWQtZ3lyfAsSDVB1Ymxpc2hlZFBhZ2UiVWh0dHBzOi8vdW5pY3ljbGljLmNvbS9tYWwvMjAxNi0wMi0wOC1JZl93ZXJlX3NvX3dvcnJpZWRfYWJvdXRfcGVvcGxlX3NtdWdnbGVyc193aHlfZG8MCxIHUHVibGlzaBiAgICAgICACgw )
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snarfed https://brid.gy/about#omit-link
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snarfed er, sorry, add bridgy_omit_link=true to the webmention request. not that whole url. :P
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aaronpk i'm struggling to get motivated to switch gears and start working on indieweb stuff tonight
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snarfed mblaney: alternatively you can add class="u-bridgy-ignore-formatting" to the bridgy publish link in your html
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[shaners] Then don’t. Go for a run instead.
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snarfed [shaners]++
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aaronpk but i *want* to
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aaronpk and I did just bike 2 miles
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@veganstraightedge Toward an IndieWebCamp Logo Redesign : Iterations in the key of C (twitter.com/_/status/697950584163454976)
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tantek hey deleted tweet
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mblaney oh that makes sense :-D
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mblaney could've sworn it worked before...
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aaronpk putting it on the target URL was an interesting idea tho! and would work with a regular webmention request then
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KevinMarks http://veganstraightedge.com/articles/2016/02/12/toward-an-indiewebcamp-logo-redesign-iterations-in-the-key-of-c'
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mblaney I think you meant class="u-bridgy-omit-link", which I might end up using instead of the query parameter then.
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KevinMarks shaners++
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Loqi shaners has 22 karma
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KevinMarks pacman++
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Loqi pacman has 1 karma
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mblaney snarfed++ thanks for your help
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@veganstraightedge Toward an IndieWebCamp Logo Redesign : Iterations in the Key of C http://veganstraightedge.com/articles/2016/02/12/toward-an-indiewebcamp-logo-redesign-iterations-in-the-key-of-c (twitter.com/_/status/697951275342630912)
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Loqi snarfed has 198 karma
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mblaney pacmanlogo++
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Loqi pacmanlogo has 1 karma
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M-RyanRix waka waka
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aaronpk lol please let's not all call it the pacman logo
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tantek aaronpk - go outside and see if you can catch the sunset, but wait 3 minutes for the rain to stop first.
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aaronpk is suspicious of tantek's hyperlocal knowledge of the weather at aaronpk's location
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[shaners] tantek: my twitter syndication has a bug that i just noticed.
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@kevinmarks RT @veganstraightedge Toward an IndieWebCamp Logo Redesign : Iterations in the Key of C http://veganstraightedge.com/articles/2016/02/12/toward-an-indiewebcamp-logo-redesign-iterations-in-the-key-of-c (twitter.com/_/status/697951772589948930)
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aaronpk [shaners]++ can you replace/update the logo on /logo?
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[shaners] about to :wink:
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tantek is not the one publishing his high resolution geolocation coordinates
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mblaney pacmanlogo--
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Loqi pacmanlogo has 0 karma
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mblaney sorry :-D
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tantek shaners s/converation/conversation
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[shaners] tantek: it was only including URL for article tweets, only long notes. so i deleted and reposted
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tantek the yellow C makes a wicket chomping pacman for sure
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tantek s/wicket/wicked
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Loqi tantek meant to say: the yellow C makes a wicked chomping pacman for sure
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tantek a wicket is something else entirely, especially when sticky
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aaronpk maybe i can work on this fun idea instead of fixing the boring bugs on my list
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tantek aaronpk - try alternating iterations. make measurable progress on fun idea, fix a boring bug, go back to fun idea etc.
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aaronpk also: dinner
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[shaners] aaronpk: how/where should i add to /logo?
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[shaners] Should I blow away the previous iteration? Add this one? Add to a new section?
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tantek blow away
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[shaners] If I blow away, should I also blow away people votes?
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tantek your blog posts are the good documentation of past iterations, with more context etc.
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[shaners] Btw, this post is the first one that I’ve posted in a form in my browsers in 6 years. No more running my massive import script for any new content. :smile:
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tantek yes!
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tantek nice photo of Jeena! https://twitter.com/e8johan/status/695280973425065984
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@e8johan @jeena talking about #indieweb at #fossgbg. Thanks @pelagicore for hosting! [photo] (twitter.com/_/status/695280973425065984)
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aaronpk wants a browser extension that hijacks twitter URLs and renders them in a simple HTML page
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[shaners] My concern with blowing away previous iteration (I agree my posts have better context) is that people’s votes/notes are the iteration that’s currently on the /logo page. If I just swap out this image for that image, the votes/notes are not quite tied to the same thing anymore.
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tantek yup - previous votes could (should?) be moved to a "Previous Discussion" section, with maybe just a small version of one of that past logo and link to your post for more
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[shaners] sounds reasonable
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[shaners] To the Wiki Mobile!
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aaronpk alright time to ship some stickers
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tantek gave a whole bunch to benwerd last night to sneak onto people's computers at Matter
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veganstraightedge.com edited /logo (+9) "/* Discussion */" (view diff)
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aaronpk nice
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Loqi [indieweb] "Designing for Future by Building on Values" by Greg McVerry https://medium.com/@jgmac1106/designing-for-future-by-building-on-values-c5531c845e15?source=rss-------1
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Loqi [indieweb] "Designing for Future by Building on Values" by Greg McVerry https://medium.com/@jgmac1106/designing-for-future-by-building-on-values-c5531c845e15?source=rss-be51ee086a18------2
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Schnitz what is vk?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "vk" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Dh
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Schnitz hmmm maybe
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Schnitz vk.com
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Schnitz (russian fb clone, ~ 100M Users)
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belp.audio created /vk (+264) "prompted by Schnitz https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-11/line/1455240797854" (view diff)
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veganstraightedge.com edited /logo (+954) "New IWC Logo Iteration" (view diff)
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[shaners] There yall go. Have at it.
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Schnitz I like the new logo
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Schnitz good job, shaners
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kevinmarks.com edited /logo (+20) "/* Adopt {{shaners}}'s proposal */" (view diff)
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[shaners] Thanks. Mind adding that to the /logo page for posterity?
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tantek.com edited /logo (+5) "/* Proposed New Logo */ final second :)" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /logo (+7) "second try at final second" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /logo (+107) (view diff)
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[shaners] Thanks, T
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tantek shaners - do we know if andigalpern still intends her logo to be considered as an alternative?
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tantek I got the impression that she did that as a rough first iteration in a direction, but is not necessarily proposing it (anymore?) to be adopted
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tantek.com edited /logo (+41) "/* Proposed New Logo */ +1" (view diff)
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tantek maybe from her tweets about it? I can't recall exactly where I got that impression
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[shaners] I certainly can’t speak for her, but my impression was “I did this thing months ago. Here it is too.” Not necessarily any formal intention to have it considered.
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[shaners] But I don’t know really
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tantek As indicated to a few folks in person recently (most recently last night), I've switched my IG to private
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[shaners] In practice, it doesn’t much matter, right? Given that no one had +1ed hers since this discussion started.
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tantek I've been considering it for a while, especially based on spam (follows, likes), but the expected change of API pushed me over the edge
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[shaners] I think it can be removed from the page, but I didn’t add it in the first place.
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tantek shaners, ah - I thought it was part of the previous discussion.
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[shaners] I don’t know who added it.
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tantek So for now I'll keep using IG as a "photo posting client" for my own publishing purposes
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[shaners] She certainly didn’t propose it for use in the intervening months since she designed it.
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tantek a way of posting photos & videos from my iPod touch that puts them on the web somewhere so I can then post on my own site and POSSE out
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tantek I don't really feel like making a big deal of it so I don't feel compelled to post about it either
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tantek one fewer elsewhere on my sidebar for folks to click through to
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Schnitz thats weird
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@jgmac1106 Here is my #LE2 event for #walkmyworld http://walkmyworld2016.jgregorymcverry.com/2016/designing-for-future-by-building-on-values-resurgence-of-the I am from the web, but heading to #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/697961076848254977)
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Schnitz I'm trying to add myself +1
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Schnitz to the new logo section
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Schnitz but {{Schnitz}} will generate a new template
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tantek exactly, and then you have to fill it in :)
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Schnitz confused why the wiki doesn't see me
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Schnitz right
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tantek everybody's template was constructed by hand :)
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Schnitz but I have already /User:Belp.audio ? isn't that this?
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tantek that's a user page, not a template
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Schnitz aaaah
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[shaners] Schnitz: https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?title=Template:schnitz&action=edit
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[shaners] Go to there
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Schnitz thanks but what exactly do I put in there? :-)
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[shaners] https://indiewebcamp.com/2016 and https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/ are different pages. Logical vs lexical?
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aaronpk copy from someone else's!
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tantek Schnitz: you know the drill, when in doubt, copy / paste from something similar and adjust accordingly ;)
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@BartonMiki RT @jgmac1106 Here is my #LE2 event for #walkmyworld http://walkmyworld2016.jgregorymcverry.com/2016/designing-for-future-by-building-on-values-resurgence-of-the I am from the web, but heading to #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/697961966355275776)
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tantek just like coding, spec editing etc.
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Schnitz hmmm... but wouldn't then i just replicate my user page, isn't that redudant information then?
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gRegorLove There's a page explaining how to, I thought.
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gRegorLove looks
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gRegorLove If you want to quickly sign, you can use four tildes.
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Schnitz like aaronpk redirects to his user page
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tantek Schnitz: did you look at someone else's template?
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gRegorLove Schnitz: /Template:gRegor
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Schnitz ok checking
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aaronpk what? no mine does not redirect http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?title=Template:aaronpk&action=edit
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gRegorLove ./aaronpk is a wiki page, vs. /Template:username
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aaronpk ohh that
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aaronpk i probably should not have made that, it doesn't really serve any purpose
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gRegorLove See https://indiewebcamp.com/Template:sparkline
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Schnitz ahhh
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gRegorLove And https://indiewebcamp.com/Template:sparkline#How_to_make_a_small_h-card_template
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Schnitz gotcha now
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Schnitz thank you so much, all of you
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Schnitz doing it now
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kylewm who is aaronpk?
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Loqi Aaron Parecki is the co-founder of IndieWebCamp, currently the CTO of Esri R&D Center, Portland http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Aaronparecki.com
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belp.audio edited /logo (+17) "/* Adopt {{shaners}}'s proposal */" (view diff)
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kylewm it's not for that?
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tantek it is
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tantek who is t
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aaronpk no, "who is" comes from irc-people
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tantek o rly
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gRegorLove what is aaronpk
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Loqi Aaron Parecki is the co-founder of IndieWebCamp, currently the CTO of Esri R&D Center, Portland https://indiewebcamp.com/aaronpk
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gRegorLove ^ that uses /aaronpk
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kylewm where is aaronpk?
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tantek what is t
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aaronpk lol sure
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Loqi Sorry, there was a problem retrieving the locations.
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Loqi A note is a post that is typically short unstructured* plain text, written & posted quickly, that has its own permalink page https://indiewebcamp.com/t
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gRegorLove how is aaronpk?
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gRegorLove Haha
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bear I use /bear as a task list mostly
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gRegorLove I hope we haven't confused you even worse, Schnitz :)
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tantek what is 🌈
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Loqi IndieWebCamp code of conduct tl;dr: Be respectful of other people, respectfully ask people to stop if you are bothered, and if you can't resolve an issue contact staff. If you are being a problem, it will be apparent and you'll be asked to leave https://indiewebcamp.com/%F0%9F%8C%88
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belp.audio created /Template:Schnitz (+121) "Created page with "<span class="h-card">{{sparkline| http://indiewebcamp.com/images/5/54/ed17046d11.jpg}} [[User:Belp.aduio|schnitz]]</span>"" (view diff)
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aaronpk i can't believe searching by emoji works
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Schnitz gRegorLove: not at all! Very clear now. Thanks
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Schnitz shaners ok your logo should be +1 from me now, there you go :-)
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[shaners] Thanks, yall. I’m shutting down for the night. !tell me if you need me. Toodles.
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Vendan Schnitz, your link seems off in you template
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tantek good work shaners, rest well
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aaronpk shaners++
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Loqi shaners has 23 karma
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Vendan lol
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Schnitz Vendan goit it .-)
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Schnitz shaners++
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Loqi shaners has 24 karma
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Vendan you get anywhere on the dropbox hosting stuff?
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Schnitz I'm using a 15 years old cherry keyboad. I love it. But thats why I have all these typos. Bear with me. Save cherry keyboards from the 90ies!
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Vendan people pay extra for cherry stuff nowadays
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Vendan like, big extra
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Schnitz I have 5-10 in my cupboard
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Schnitz for the rest of my life
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Schnitz they all have some issues by now :-)
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Schnitz ok this is indiechat
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Vendan I use laptop for only main computer, and also as the mouse and keyboard for my desktop
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Schnitz what is vk?
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Loqi https://indiewebcamp.com/vk
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belp.audio edited /vk (+17) (view diff)
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Vendan I've been looking at writing one, it's a little annoying though
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Vendan as you can't really distribute open source with a dropbox api key
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Schnitz by the way I have new data on pancake.io
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Schnitz thinking whether its worth updating the wikie
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tantek Schnitz - want to update /pancake.io with your data? I think it's likely worth it since now you have several days of experience
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Schnitz ok will do
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Schnitz what is pancake.io?
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Loqi Pancake.Io is a service that turns your dropbox into a web hosting service https://indiewebcamp.com/Pancake.io
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belp.audio edited /Pancake.io (+852) "/* belp.audio's user experience */" (view diff)
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gRegorLove aaronpk: No reply-contexts on your new site?
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aaronpk not yet
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aaronpk i want to do it right
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Schnitz Vendan so getting back to the dropbox issue, in general, not just pancake.io
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Schnitz it seems like no, there is no real solution here
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Schnitz site44 I checked out
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Schnitz its a 100% pancake.io and its missing one key feature and you have to pay for it
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Schnitz site44 *looks* abandoned, but is actually not
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tantek what is site44?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "site44" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Di
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Schnitz you get humans actually writing *welcome aboard* messages
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Schnitz but if you ask them technical questions, they don't answer
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tantek Schnitz: ^^^ could you make a quick note of that there?
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Schnitz but they *Are* humans ... LOL
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tantek or just good bots ;)
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Schnitz am about to tantek, no worries :-)
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Vendan Schnitz, what's the feature?
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belp.audio created /site44 (+961) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-11/line/1455243774250" (view diff)
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belp.audio edited /site44 (-10) (view diff)
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Schnitz Vendan read the page
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Schnitz page this needs editing, will do so in a sec, 1 draft
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belp.audio edited /site44 (-2) (view diff)
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Vendan ahh, App/<whatever> can only be shared for viewing
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Vendan not for collaboration
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Schnitz right
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Schnitz fixed typos
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Schnitz Vendan exactly!!!
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Schnitz isn't that sick?
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Schnitz pancake.io = does everything, but isn't stable
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Vendan sad part, that is literally an option in the dropbox app creation process
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Schnitz site44, stable, misses collaboration!
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Schnitz DUH!!!
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Schnitz I'm not even checking duet.to because it being from Abu Dhabi
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Schnitz this may sound harsh
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Loqi [indieweb] "Designing for Future by Building on Values" by Greg McVerry https://medium.com/the-slackerati/designing-for-future-by-building-on-values-c5531c845e15?source=rss----aa03124ad010---4
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Schnitz but its about long-term perspective, not being discriminating
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Schnitz I cannot imagine a United Arab Emirates Tech Startup to be anything long-term
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Schnitz because society, which I know a bit, is so short-lived
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Schnitz they build skyscrapers in dubai that last 10 years, then they fall apart
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Schnitz thats normal over there
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Schnitz sorry for that, just a side note
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KartikPrabhu Phyks: I'm here now :)
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KartikPrabhu Phyks: I guess our timezones don't overlap
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Schnitz Vendan: so in short, lots of potential / opportunity in that area currently
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Schnitz for something really simple, clean, stupid, realble... and free
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kylewm blot.im?
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kylewm not free, but very reasonably priced
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Schnitz checking...
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Vendan I'm looking at it, issue is I want to to make it simple
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Vendan kylewm, it uses an app folder
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Vendan which is a no go for Schnitz's use case cause you can't collaborate on an app folder
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kylewm ah
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Schnitz right
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Schnitz and I want to serve my own HTML
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Schnitz without being touched at all
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Schnitz but still interesting, thanks kylewm
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Vendan Schnitz, I wouldn't be looking at free, but I'd think about hosting a cheap version on my own server, and also offering the software as open source
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Schnitz that would be fine, Vendan
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Schnitz maybe give people 1 page, or one subdomain, for free
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Schnitz something very small just to get started
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Schnitz http://raketenbasis.pancakeapps.com
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Schnitz this is exactly the kind of use case
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Schnitz silly simple stupid langing page
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Schnitz indie style for musicians, bongkers layour, no more...
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Vendan only thing I would consider is offering the full paid package for a trial or something similar
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Schnitz thats fine!
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Schnitz as long as it gets people started, fine
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Schnitz its the chicken and egg thing
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Schnitz I do not sign up with my credit card *before* I have something wokring that convinces me
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Schnitz like if the pancake.io guy would *now* show and say, hey, give me 50 bucks and I'll fix these issues for good, I'll probably say yes... see?
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Schnitz ok maybe not 50
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Schnitz 10
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Schnitz or 5
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Schnitz like Site44
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tantek oh that's interesting, looks like instagram.com has the nearly same reader experience as their mobile app now, and it even looks a lot like mobile when you narrow your window!
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tantek so this is fascinating, we can now compare personal site mobile UX to IG's mobile-ish UX side by side
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aaronpk considers making alternate layouts for his different channels
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aaronpk for example a three-column grid for http://aaronparecki.com/photos
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Schnitz Vendan 2nd example, I did this on http://svs-events.site44.com/ ... its meant to be simple events page were people jointly just edit the page with new events ... doesn't work, Site44 offer no shared folders, pancake.io is unstable. Full Stop.
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tantek aaronpk: I think the stream of one photo column is more compelling
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tantek you're pretty close to fullbleed in the narrow window view
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aaronpk yeah i got as close as i could without a ton of extra work
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Schnitz Vendan but I'm not looking into huge site, but more small little individual indieweb *pages*
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Vendan yeah
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Schnitz Vendan therefore applying a financial model is difficult
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tantek aaronpk - you can hack it with negative margins in an @media rule ;)
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tantek (instead of the ton of extra work :D)
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Vendan like I said, a $5 DO Droplet could serve all the stuff you are looking at with room to spare
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tantek (I might have done something like this)
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aaronpk that wasn't working for me for some reason
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Schnitz they beauty of the dropbox hack would be to deploy small things *fast*
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tantek aaronpk your pizza is making me hungry!
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Schnitz like do a page nearly as fast as a *post* in a SILO
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tantek (that was a trap!)
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aaronpk you mean wizza!
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tantek SMH
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aaronpk to be fair, it is almost 7pm pacific time and if you haven't had dinner yet now is a great time to do so, so it isn't entirely unreasonable for me to post something to make you hungry :P
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tantek true
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aaronpk ah yeah now I remember, I couldn't make it wider again after I used margin-left -8px
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Schnitz Vendan also a good pancake.io, here someone completely different, not me http://emersunn.pancakeapps.com/
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Vendan Schnitz, you be on for the next few days?
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Schnitz sure
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Schnitz I'll be in London as of the 25th tho
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Vendan k, I'll start poking some stuff
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Schnitz Vendan++
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Loqi Vendan has 15 karma
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Vendan lol
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Vendan so much karmas
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Schnitz yeah man, thats the spirit dude
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Schnitz just like tantek is always pushing to write wiki pages I urged some software people to perhaps get some good service done ;)
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Schnitz there's the karma, alright
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aaronpk hmm interesting. i may have a solution, which also makes it full-width so there is no white border around the image on wide screens which actually looks good i think
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KevinMarks using vh?
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aaronpk no, simpler
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aaronpk i just have to double check all the different kinds of posts once i make this change
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Schnitz off for today...
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Loqi [indieweb] "Liked Kevin Marks on Instagram: “#indieweb Homebrew Website Club”" by Kyle Mahan https://kylewm.com/2016/02/liked-kevin-marks-on-instagram-indieweb-homebrew-website-club-b6c8d4e583
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Loqi [indieweb] "Liked Jason Garber's Launching FrancisCMS onto the IndieWeb" by Kyle Mahan https://kylewm.com/2016/02/liked-jason-garbers-launching-franciscms-onto-the-indieweb-943b59cfdc
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aaronpk hmm should photos in a blog post be full bleed too?
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aaronpk (and yes turns out this was as complicated as I thought, but now i'm committed and about 70% done)
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Vendan ugh, one library has support for the calls I need, but doesn't support getting access tokens, another supports getting the access token, but not the calls I need
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Vendan and freaking oAuth is horrible
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aaronpk i sure hope this was worth it
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@joeld Issues tracker shows users pushing for RSS https://t.co/JEV4pNYEqI, webmentions https://t.co/1JJ0mFUzs2, metadata https://github.com/buckket/twtxt/issues/48 (twitter.com/_/status/697984768743444480)
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KartikPrabhu I wonder why the github URL was not t.co-ed ^
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aaronpk Loqi tries to expand links before they get here, but he's erroneously matching the comma as part of the tweet so it fails
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KartikPrabhu aah
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aaronpk just split my list into two, migrations/import vs new features
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aaronpk they're both still long, but at least now I can deal with them separately
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aaronpk okay yeah i think i like the full-width/full-bleed photos
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Loqi [indieweb] "Notes from tonight's Homebrew Website Club on my site http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2016-02-10.html #indieweb" by Kevin Marks http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/notes-from-tonights-homebrew-website-club-on-my-site-hwc2016-02-10html
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bret reading http://tantek.com/log/2002/12.html 👌
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aaronpk now my header bar gets dark at night
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bret err http://tantek.com/log/2002/12.html#L20021216
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aaronpk I do enjoy how tantek's old posts still look like they did when they were posted
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bret aaronpk: whats the battery?
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aaronpk my phone battery
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bret cool! hows that working?
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aaronpk well
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aaronpk it was already being sent up with my GPS coordinates that are used to geotag all my posts, so it wasn't a lot of work to do that :)
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bret oh wild, is that from a native api? or can the browser get that too?
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aaronpk it's from my native iOS GPS tracking app https://github.com/esripdx/GPS-Logger-iOS
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bret oh nice
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bret i've been playing around with donpdonp's ice condoor a bit
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aaronpk I want to find a subtle way to put the states of my magic click in the header bar too
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bret its pretty fun!
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aaronpk s/click/clokc
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aaronpk dammit
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Loqi aaronpk meant to say: s/clokc/clokc
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aaronpk clock
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bret https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/302485803/Homestar_twitter_icon_689_400x400.png
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aaronpk https://aaronparecki.com/2016/01/04/9/harry-potter-clock
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bret lol oh yeah i saw that a while back
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aaronpk are you gonna be able to come to homebrew website club again soon?
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bret i've been pretty sapped through the end of last year and january. had a job i wasnt down with and took over the pdxnode meetup kinda haphazardly
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bret but i got a new job thats awesome now, and finding some help with pdxnode.... so yeah! i hope to soon
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aaronpk nice
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bret sorry for being unavailable
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bret how is the w3c stuff going? its cool to see the webmention stuff
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aaronpk yeah got webmention and micropub published! Need to iterate on Micropub more now!
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bret yeah kinda lost track around the json and simplifed mf2 thingy
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bret i've been playing around with https://github.com/ssbc/patchwork recently. dominictar and this guy named paul have been making crazy headway on a p2p/mesh/offlinefirst twitter clone. interesting parallels
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bret you peer with a few 'pubs' that helps with establishing peer connections and keep copies of content around, but the pubs lack any authority in the network. it eliminates the need for most people to maintain any sort of hosting, but also eliminates the networks reliance on specific hosted nodes or pubs, so when it goes down, all peers have the slice of
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bret history they care about, and can continue peering directly and through any other remaining pubs
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aaronpk it doesn't really appear to be webby, more like a replacement for email?
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bret it flows more like twitter / forum threads
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aaronpk there appear to be no permalinks in the UI
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bret you can host it like a webapp, but its more like an application
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bret right, its content addressable and peers maintain copies of themselves and their network
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bret so it avoids global singleton issues like bitcoin have
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bret that bitcoin has to deal with*
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aaronpk well that's good :)
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bret definitely mad science
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bret you could write an http interface on top of it.... which is how the patchwork client is written
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bret so there are permalinks, its just hosted on localhost
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bret the permalink is some ungodly hash haha
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aaronpk i think i did enough research on this for tonight, it's gonna take a little longer than a half-night project to finish: https://github.com/aaronpk/Atlas/issues/2
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bret https://win95.ajf.me/win95.html
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aaronpk argh, someone has the "p3k" name on github
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aaronpk was just thinking that i'm starting to have so many repos for p3k that i need an org for it
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[shaners] Aaronpk: p3kio is available still
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[aaronpk] Oh jeez
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[aaronpk] "p3kio" - pronounced "peekaboo"
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kylewm that pronunciation is ... creative
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kylewm I'd pronounce it like C3P0 :)
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bear p3kach0
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@nueww RT @muhh Ganz schwer gerade zu entscheiden ob ich dort hin oder zum @wordcampnbg soll. #IndieWebcamp #nueww http://nueww.de/blog/article/Post/show/indieweb-unsere-daten-unser-netz-96/ (twitter.com/_/status/698041555538616320)
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@nueww RT @ingodibella Der Artikel "IndieWeb" von @jkphl ist wirklich gut geworden! Leseempfehlung! #nueww http://nueww.de/blog/article/Post/show/indieweb-unsere-daten-unser-netz-96/d9b831d86e233f016654c5f4cf56618d/ (twitter.com/_/status/698041583082536960)
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@mschottenhammer RT @nueww Wir haben einen Fokus auf das #IndieWeb. Lest bei uns im Blog mehr über "Unsere Daten. Unser Netz." http://nueww.de/blog/article/Post/show/indieweb-unsere-daten-unser-netz-96/d9b831d86e233f016654c5f4cf56618d/ #nueww (twitter.com/_/status/698042429094682624)
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Loqi [indieweb] "For all those who do not believe that your data is a commodity.
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@marcthiele A very well written article by @jkphl about what the #indieweb is (in German). http://nueww.de/blog/article/Post/show/indieweb-unsere-daten-unser-netz-96/ (twitter.com/_/status/698069421206695936)
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@fredho02 RT @marcthiele A very well written article by @jkphl about what the #indieweb is (in German). http://nueww.de/blog/article/Post/show/indieweb-unsere-daten-unser-netz-96/ (twitter.com/_/status/698070877511016448)
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Phyks KartikPrabhu: ah, indeed, they should no overlap mutch
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Phyks KartikPrabhu: about scientific papers, was not thinking in applying it directly to html files (indeed, they are usually pdf files)
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Phyks but rather taking some concepts such as webmentions and indexing / decentralization ideas that open access and indiewebcamp have in common
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@fredho02 Lese gerade @screengui_de Ausgabe über #indieweb.. sehr interessant, möchte fast mitmachen :) http://screengui.de/26/indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/698072131280752640)
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KartikPrabhu Phyks: that is my point, I don't see how webmention would work with PDFs and also "indexing"
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Phyks ah
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KartikPrabhu on a side note I have seen some journal successfully and nicely convert Latex stuff to HTML
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KartikPrabhu let me find an example
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Phyks See https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1209/0295-5075/111/40005/meta;jsessionid=7FEBD236F26B231C77CE3CD30C40D074.c4.iopscience.cld.iop.org, there is almost always a landing page for an article
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Phyks I was thinking in this landing page rather than the article itself
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Phyks APS goes even one step further by extracting cited articles and putting them on the landing page (account required) http://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.108.240502
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KartikPrabhu Phyks: yeah so if there is interest a first step would be to use microformats on those
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KartikPrabhu but also see: http://scitation.aip.org/content/aip/journal/jmp/57/2/10.1063/1.4940052
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Phyks indeed, Nature is doing an html export as well
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@fredho02 #indieweb brings us with bridgly back the twitter counts, that we're lost (twitter.com/_/status/698073258839646208)
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Phyks but I think the render is still one step behind the true pdf
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Phyks for instance, one of the major problems that could arise from open access (in my opinion) is also that the same paper will exist in different versions across the web. And it will be difficult to uniquely identify it etc. And I think that may be things you encountered also, when cross-posting to Twitter for instance
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@marcthiele @fredho02 komm vorbei … https://beyondtellerrand.com/events/duesseldorf-2016/side-events#indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/698075326396637185)
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KartikPrabhu Phyks: yeah probably
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@jkphl RT @marcthiele A very well written article by @jkphl about what the #indieweb is (in German). http://nueww.de/blog/article/Post/show/indieweb-unsere-daten-unser-netz-96/ (twitter.com/_/status/698076307905708032)
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@tollwerk RT @marcthiele A very well written article by @jkphl about what the #indieweb is (in German). http://nueww.de/blog/article/Post/show/indieweb-unsere-daten-unser-netz-96/ (twitter.com/_/status/698076307943485440)
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Loqi [mention] someone posted "Homebrew Website Club 2016-01-27" http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2016-02-10.html that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/2016-01-01-commitments and http://indiewebcamp.com/logo https://webmention.io/notification/JME0Rermj3h1uykJCnIDoA
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@indysigner Ãœber IndieWeb, oder wie Online-Magazine sich Ihre Daten von Twitter und Facebook zurückholen können: http://nueww.de/blog/article/Post/show/indieweb-unsere-daten-unser-netz-96/d9b831d86e233f016654c5f4cf56618d/ (twitter.com/_/status/698081081459916800)
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@WordCampNbg @muhh ganz einfach: #wcnbg liefert dank #WordPress die Antworten auf die Fragen des @indiewebcamp // @jkphl :-) (twitter.com/_/status/698088449711153152)
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@chopdeniks muhh ganz einfach: #wcnbg liefert dank #WordPress die Antworten auf die Fragen des indiewebcamp // jkphl :-) https://twitter.com/WordCampNbg/status/698088449711153152 chopd… (twitter.com/_/status/698089651668721664)
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KevinMarks http://theodi.org/odi-startup-programme-application-guide
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@jkphl Welcome to all the new @indiewebcamp registrants! 💕 Pls let me know if you need assistance w/ joining the guest list http://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg/Guest_List (twitter.com/_/status/698093053177962496)
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petermolnar is anyone actively using this: https://www.subtome.com/#/ to present a follow button for visitors?
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cweiske I do
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cweiske http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/
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petermolnar aand it fails in my firefox, just like it did when I tried it on my page :/ http://pastebin.com/2M4QSfvh
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cweiske simply clicking on the follow button yield that errors?
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petermolnar yep
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petermolnar works in chrome
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cweiske works here with chromium 48 and firefox
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cweiske firefox 44.0.1
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petermolnar it could be my firefox with some kind of hardening
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petermolnar let me disable a few things
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petermolnar nope
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petermolnar I've disabled nearly all extensions, still the same error
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@srbanister 1a Text von @jkphl über das #IndieWeb und wo das alles hingeht. Nämlich erst mal aufs IndieWebcamp in Nürnberg. http://nueww.de/blog/article/Post/show/indieweb-unsere-daten-unser-netz-96/d9b831d86e233f016654c5f4cf56618d/ (twitter.com/_/status/698120065674321920)
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@jkphl RT @srbanister 1a Text von @jkphl über das #IndieWeb und wo das alles hingeht. Nämlich erst mal aufs IndieWebcamp in Nürnberg. http://nueww.de/blog/article/Post/show/indieweb-unsere-daten-unser-netz-96/d9b831d86e233f016654c5f4cf56618d/ (twitter.com/_/status/698120140186062849)
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@srbanister @diplix das ist doch was für dich, oder? http://nueww.de/blog/article/Post/show/indieweb-unsere-daten-unser-netz-96/d9b831d86e233f016654c5f4cf56618d/ (twitter.com/_/status/698120272663212033)
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petermolnar midori fails as well
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petermolnar it only loads in chrome for mw
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petermolnar me
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petermolnar works in pale moon o.O (FF fork)
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petermolnar ok, it's most probably something in my setup
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cweiske new profile?
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petermolnar hell no, it'd have to re-train Policeman
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voxpelli petermolnar: subtome works well for me in Firefox :)
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petermolnar yeah, it's most probably something with my slightly paranoid settings
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petermolnar thank you cweiske & voxpelli
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voxpelli petermolnar: do ping Julien about it if you think it could be something that the Subtome tool could be adjusted to work with though :) I think he would appreciate feedback
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petermolnar I will, if I can figure out what the issue is?
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petermolnar I'm having typo-day, sorry everyone
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voxpelli petermolnar: just to be sure – are you rinning Firefox normally or in private mode?
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voxpelli petermolnar: and have you eg. disabled cookies or something?
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Zegnat Has anyone here ever looked at amberlink.org? It seems similar to the previously discussed /Owark
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Loqi [bridgy] petermolnar replied '@jkphl is it going to be mainly in German or English? I’d sign up as remote part...' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg/Guest_List (https://twitter.com/petermolnar/status/698099579065995264)
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@ebot70 Top hashtags for @voxpelli: #theconf #indieweb #svpol #apis #app http://www.redaelli.org/matteo-blog/projects/ebottwitter/ (twitter.com/_/status/698131518070329346)
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voxpelli such spammer...
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voxpelli Zegnat: I believe it has been mentioned here before – think eg. adactio wrote something about it
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@mothersele webmention adds 2-way link (missing from web 1). it doesn't break backward compatibility, so we're now at web 2.1 https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/ (twitter.com/_/status/698138174426578944)
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@mothersele webmention adds 2-way link. it doesn't break backward compatibility, so we're now at web 2.1 https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-webmention-20160112/ (twitter.com/_/status/698139149212241920)
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petermolnar voxpelli not private mode; paranoid plugins, like Policeman + uBlock, but I've disabled both while testing; third party cookies disabled; do-no-follow enabled;
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voxpelli petermolnar: searched the error message a little bit and one indication was a correlation between disabled cookies and that localstorage error
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petermolnar interesting
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petermolnar firefox only?
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cweiske subtome uses localstorage for the feed readers
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jgarber I don't quite understand it, but I like it: https://twitter.com/davatron5000/status/697823847425249280
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@davatron5000 New favorite website: http://silo.pocalyp.se/ (twitter.com/_/status/697823847425249280)
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Loqi [mention] someone wrote a post that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com https://webmention.io/notification/yKQI1s_rkIVMXlBY9By-QQ
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pfefferle good morning all
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petermolnar hi pfefferle
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GWG Good morning all.
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Schnitz hey
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GWG Hello, Schnitz. What is new and intriguing?
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Schnitz LOL
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Schnitz do I count as a candidate for such things here these days? :-)
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GWG I ask everyone. My deepest hope is someone will have something to share.
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Schnitz what a great attitude
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Schnitz GWG++
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Loqi GWG has 144 karma
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GWG I also have a selfish reason. Other people's stories often inspire me
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Schnitz aha!
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Schnitz this sounds a bit indeichat... moving...
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[shaners] !tell jkphl There’s a new iteration of the logo redesign. Wanna take a look and see if it meets your approval? (Since you commented on the previous iteration.) /logo
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@grantpotter https://medium.com/@billt/the-open-web-and-its-enemies-2ed3bc667aea#.vq4tr93zu #indieweb "We will only have an #openweb if we build and defend it against those who see .. http://known.networkeffects.ca/2016/billtthe-open-web-and-its-enemies-2ed3bc667aeavq4tr93zu-indieweb-we-will-only-have-an-openweb-if-we (twitter.com/_/status/698194280649728000)
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Loqi [indieweb] "https://medium.com/@billt/the-open-web-and-its-enemies-2ed3bc667aea#.vq4tr93zu #indieweb "We will only have an #openweb if we build and defend it against those who see in it challenges to their authority."" by Grant Potter http://known.networkeffects.ca/2016/billtthe-open-web-and-its-enemies-2ed3bc667aeavq4tr93zu-indieweb-we-will-only-have-an-openweb-if-we
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bear Github responds to the dear-github open letter: https://github.com/dear-github/dear-github/pull/115
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gRegorLove Heh, tantek went private on instagram so pestagram now redirects his user page to the front page. Result: a stream of public photos in my Woodwind subscriptions. :)
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aaronpk oh my
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gRegorLove I didn't think tantek would be sharing Kardashian photos
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aaronpk exciting things!
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aaronpk go sign up if you haven't yet!
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aaronpk http://indiewebcamp.com/this-week-in-the-indieweb
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@zpinternational As an #indiefilm maker, you have to find a story that you can film than the story that you want to film #indie #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/698213475076730880)
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aaronpk i wonder what that's gonna look like in woodwind
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tantek aaronpk: what are the chances of including links to the notes and photos from the past week's HWC?
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aaronpk photos are included already
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aaronpk i'd need some sort of mf2 property to grab the notes or link to the notes from. for example I could pull in the "summary" text from the event page
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gRegorLove aaronpk: "Continue to our site" after confirming my email address took me to http://nicernet.org/
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aaronpk gRegorLove: oops thanks
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gRegorLove Woodwind just shows the date.
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aaronpk that's the name of the entry
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aaronpk oh yeah woodwind doesn't go fetch the contents of the URL
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aaronpk well that's fine
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aaronpk i'm hoping that by including photos of the events in the newsletter, it will encourage us to post more photos :)
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gRegorLove Hmm, and in ascending order? Let me try refreshing.
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aaronpk similarly with indienews!
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aaronpk oh i forgot to add a dt-published property
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tantek aaronpk: what do you think of s/Past Events/Recent Events
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aaronpk recent sounds good
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aaronpk gRegorLove: fixed dt-published
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tantek looking to see if there's a p-summary
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aaronpk where is that other summary value coming from?
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aaronpk "p-name summary" shouldn't be parsing that as a summary property...
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tantek weird
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aaronpk is it the vevent causing fallback parsing wrong?
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tantek yes it's wrong. if there's an h-* class on an element then no backward compat root parsing should occur on that element
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tantek and backward compat properties are *only* for backward compat roots
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tantek and lastly, "summary" should parse as "p-name" in an h-event
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tantek I mean in an vevent
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aaronpk is it this issue? https://github.com/indieweb/php-mf2/issues/45
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tantek there's at least three issues
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tantek that (45) is the first
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tantek might be better to fix the other two first
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aaronpk just made this one https://github.com/indieweb/php-mf2/issues/81
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jgarber Google's shutting down Picasa: http://googlephotos.blogspot.com/2016/02/moving-on-from-picasa.html
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aaronpk cassis++ autolink to the rescue
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Loqi cassis has 2 karma
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gRegorLove What is Picasa?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Picasa" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Dm
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gRegorLove Picasa is software for organizing and sharing photos http://www.google.com/picasa
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loqi.me created /Picasa (+108) "prompted by gRegorLove https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-12/line/1455304692923 and dfn added by gRegorLove" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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tantek software? do you install it? I though it was just an online service?
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gRegorLove Yes, there's desktop software
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KevinMarks it's both, there's a desktop app too
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KevinMarks it was the first to do good facial recognition and tagging
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KevinMarks so it can show me the 4000 pix of my eldest son
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KevinMarks the g+ integration made it awkward tho, as if you labelled people it sent them a person tag email
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KevinMarks which was not ideal
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gRegorLove Heh. Google's had a few of those awkward privacy moments
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sknebel still haven't found anything else that does automatic face tagging well and without uploading everything somewhere
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sknebel (at least early picasa did it offline, when the G+ integration came we got scared off it. + moving the generated tags to other software was a pain anyways)
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, it was pretty great for facial recognition
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aaronpk tantek: did you see my full-bleed photos on my site that I launched last night? :D
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tantek aaronpk, added to issue 45 regarding backcompat properties only inside a backcompat root
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aaronpk nice thx
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tantek nice work on the full bleed photos!
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gRegorLove What is full-bleed photo?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "full-bleed photo" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Dn
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KevinMarks is this a site death? http://techcrunch.com/2016/02/12/youtube-acquires-bandpage/
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KevinMarks bandpage was a kind of posse tool for musicians, right?
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KevinMarks https://twitter.com/webster/status/697984790323007488
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@webster There’s still some great Twitter usernames available! [photo] (twitter.com/_/status/697984790323007488)
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cweiske sknebel, did you ever try digikam?
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cweiske it has facial recognition and works completely offline
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sknebel ages ago, then it probably didn't have the feature
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sknebel thanks for the hint, I'll look at it again
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KevinMarks but does it have dog breed identification ;)
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sknebel (currently my entire photo workflow lives in an old version of Lightroom, which is going to become an issue once I need to work with a newer camera)
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sknebel KevinMarks: wut?
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sknebel (For my archive, bird species identification would probably be more useful ;))
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KevinMarks today's meme is putting people into https://www.what-dog.net/
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sknebel ahh, saw a screenshot of that earlier on twitter
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tantek KevinMarks: is that twitter user names tweet a criticism?
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KevinMarks namespaces are hard
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tantek especially "free" ones
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gRegorLove Those look like Choose a Bitcoin Address, not username. ;)
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KevinMarks they usually suggest based on your email
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gRegorLove tantek: Did you get a chance to look at the updated /Template:one-day-event? Thoughts?
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tantek just looked - looks good! we can try it out incrementally right?
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tantek want to use it to add the HWC events for March?
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tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/events#March
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gRegorLove Certainly.
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tantek that way we can see how it looks in context
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gRegorLove I like the updated intro text on the event permanent links. Should I use that on /Events or the usual "Are you building your own website? . . . "
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tantek which, the "Join us for an evening of quiet writing, IndieWeb discussions, and demos! " ?
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gRegorLove Yeah
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gRegorLove Oops, found a template bug with dt-start.
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KevinMarks today in fuck timezones news: https://www.reddit.com/r/jailbreak/comments/458ao3/discussion_changing_time_date_settings_to_jan_1/
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gRegorLove I'll have to work on that later before using it on /events.
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tantek KevinMarks: "iOS 8.0 all the way up to 9.3 beta 3, so yep, it includes 9.2.1." <-- evidence of my hypothesis that 7.1.2 was the last good version of iOS
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aaronpk that's nuts
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sknebel now, how to hijack NTP requests from a large number of iPhones?
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tantek FWIW I turn off that silly network time update stuff anyway because I go on planes often enough that I don't want anything screwing with my time settings. I like being concious of my timezone changes thank you very much.
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tantek sknebel: some Android fanboi is likely already on it ;)
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sknebel Getting in the NTP pool apparently isn't that hard, see the shodan case
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sknebel (but I don't know how long they prepared that)
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aaronpk the NTP setting is different from the automatic timezone setting though
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tantek aaronpk: not AFAIK. you have to turn off NTP to set the timezone manually
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tantek what is Bandpage?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Bandpage" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Do
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tantek lol https://indiewebcamp.com/redirect_short_cut_thingy_for_the_wiki
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gRegorLove That was for bear
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bear :)
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tantek what is midori?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "midori" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Dp
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tantek petermolnar: ^^^
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tantek what is pale moon?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "pale moon" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Dq
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singpolyma what is iceweasel?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "iceweasel" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Dr
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KevinMarks are these drinks or websites?
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singpolyma what is abrowser?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "abrowser" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Ds
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singpolyma are we just listing browsers? ;) I like this game
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tantek singpolyma: browsers apparently mentioned in previous conversation
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tantek singpolyma: in general if you see jargon in IRC, you're encouraged to say what is to make sure it has a page
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tantek catches up on logs
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singpolyma what is jargon?
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Loqi jargon is a specific unobvious concept, or re-use of a word to mean something other than its common meaning https://indiewebcamp.com/jargon
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tantek :D
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aaronpk 10 minutes to sneak anything else into the weekly newsletter :)
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@aaronpk You asked, we listened! Get weekly updates from IndieWebCamp delivered to your email or feed reader! http://indiewebcamp.com/this-week-in-the-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/698260910016634880)
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Loqi [indienews] New post: https://aaronparecki.com/2016/02/12/7/ http://news.indiewebcamp.com/en/aaronparecki.com/2016/02/12/7/
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aaronpk :D
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kevinmarks.com uploaded /File:quitter-public.png "the 'public timeline' on quitter.no as of 2016-02-12"
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kevinmarks.com uploaded /File:quitter-whole.png "the "The Whole Known Network" of quitter.no as of 2016-02-12"
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notes.whatthefuck.computer edited /public_timeline (+15) "/* public indieweb notes stream */" (view diff)
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gRegorLove Hey, cool. https://unicyclic.com/indieweb/
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matrrix Dumping https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special:ActiveUsers&limit=100&hidebots=1 to text to get the list of active users seems quite do-able, though i am pretty sure my notes site doesnt present an h-feed yet ...
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petermolnar what is midori?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "midori" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Du
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petermolnar midori is a lightweight, webkit based browser that is the default browser in elementaryOS linux distribution
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loqi.me created /midori (+135) "prompted by petermolnar https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-12/line/1455313677791 and dfn added by petermolnar" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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petermolnar what is Pale Moon?
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aaronpk active users, interesting
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Pale Moon" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Dv
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petermolnar Pale Moon is a pre Australis (the new UI in version 29 ) Firefox fork
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Loqi ok
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aaronpk snuck that one in just in time
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aaronpk oh I should probably be tweeting these out from the indiewebcamp account huh
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tantek definitely
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aaronpk silopub to the rescue
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tantek funny KevinMarks, I think of something else when I see "Whole Known Network" ;) (cc: benwerd)
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KevinMarks yes, that is a little unfortunate
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singpolyma should say "Posts from the Visible Universe"
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singpolyma (actually, I think the public timeline should go away. but people do not agree with me :P)
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tantek singpolyma: Twitter agreed with you
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aaronpk i actually agree
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aaronpk i prefer a filtered public timeline
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tantek but again, early on it showed that a service had activity, and gave some idea what people were doing there
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KevinMarks it makes sense up to a certain scale
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singpolyma public timeline is neat, but it leads to people wanting to read it, which leads to people complaining when stuff they don't want to read is in it. which is perposterous
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tantek hmm - I don't remember seeing those complaints about Twitter
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tantek well, their public timeline at least
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singpolyma I've had those complaints directed at me on GNU social sites, and also seen it directed at others
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indiewebcamp.com/this-week/2016-02-12.html (twitter.com/_/status/698265350308175872)
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tantek singpolyma: if you can find the URLs for the complaints, it's probably worth documenting
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aaronpk oh darn that was supposed to have a photo
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KevinMarks which gnusocial are you on, singplyma?
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singpolyma tantek: here's one: https://quitter.no/notice/61746
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singpolyma KevinMarks: I only use GNU social for testing and development of GNU social and other PSHB related testing
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singpolyma So I'm on many of them for test purposes
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singpolyma to make sure people on GNU social can still follow my website, etc
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singpolyma plus I added bidirectional webmention end of last year
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singpolyma which I was testing
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singpolyma (it's in a plugin, I'm working on getting sites to turn it on)
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tantek singpolyma - can you help with submitting a pull request to gnusocial so it doesn't depend on JS to show something?
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tantek that URL you gave me is js;dr
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singpolyma tantek: main gnusocial doesn't, that's just Qvitter-based sites (quitter.se, quitter.no, and friends). I did put a patch in to Qvitter to at least put (hidden) microformatted markup into the page without JS
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tantek a-ha you did that
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KevinMarks the implied name there is not great
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singpolyma not my preference, but better than JS-only (esp when working on getting webmention stuff in)
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tantek !tell singpolyma agreed that that's an improvement. could also add h-cite to the u-in-reply-to!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indiewebcamp.com/this-week/2016-02-12.html (twitter.com/_/status/698266838107435009)
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tantek again?
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aaronpk was hoping that was going to include the photo this time
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tantek oh
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aaronpk not really sure why it didn't
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tantek because you can't depend on Twitter to use their invisible metacrap
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aaronpk it's going through silo.pub and is using the same code i wrote yesterday to publish photos
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tantek oh you mean as an actual photo upload?
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aaronpk yeah
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tantek well the this-week page has no u-photo
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aaronpk nah it's a micropub request to silo.pub
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aaronpk totally out of band of the html that's on that page
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aaronpk time to test with @spampk
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aaronpk aha. php 5.6 changed the stupid way files are uploaded
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aaronpk with the @ syntax
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aaronpk woohoo now it works
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gRegorLove Eh? What changed about file uploads?
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aaronpk okay it's pretty great with the photo attached. think it's okay to delete that tweet and redo it one more time?
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aaronpk gRegorLove: php 5.5 and before, if a value of a field starts with "@" it looks for a file at that path and does multipart uploads. in 5.6 that is disabled by default
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gRegorLove Huh. Never knew about that.
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aaronpk it's one of those unfortunate PHP things that gives PHP a bad name
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tantek aaronpk: sure. I've not seen any retweets ;)
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tantek aaronpk, we'll have to see if the photo helps at all with "engagement" 😂
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aaronpk oh noes! the photo didn't get sent in the email!
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aaronpk ah crap it wanted an absolute URL. not smart enough to resolve the relative image url for me
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aaronpk *sigh* well i can't re-send that one, so that will wait until next week
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tantek do people really want photo enclosures in their email?!?
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tantek aaronpk: perhaps an HTML embed of the photo is sufficient (since you're sending HTML email already anyway, right?)
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aaronpk email newsletter get better "engagement" when there are photos too :)
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aaronpk i actually have very little control over this. i'm using mailchimp's RSS->email thingy
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tantek wow
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aaronpk and apparentely they don't parse the contents, cause they just put the <img> tag in the email verbatim
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aaronpk i was expecting them to be smarter, like at least resolving the relative URL in it
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tantek RSS parsers be smarter?!? lololol
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aaronpk next week it will be the absolute URL
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aaronpk (not sent as an attachment)
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tantek ah good
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KevinMarks relative URLs in feeds are really poorly defined
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tantek KevinMarks, you had me at "feeds are really poorly defined"
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aaronpk oh good point actually. would it be relative to the feed URL or relative to the URL the item represents?
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KevinMarks https://validator.w3.org/feed/docs/warning/ContainsRelRef.html
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KevinMarks http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/1314.html
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matrrix anyone know how to report/revert MDN spam? https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Guide
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matrrix i dont have/need an account :/
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aaronpk hm now I need a link on http://indiewebcamp.com/this-week/2016-02-12.html back to http://indiewebcamp.com/this-week
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tantek Hmm - I don't think Mozilla can shutdown Persona.org as along as MDN depends on it ;)
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KevinMarks it's complicated: https://pythonhosted.org/feedparser/resolving-relative-links.html
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tantek MDN page fixed. reload
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tantek matrrix: If I'm around, feel free to ping me about that kind of off topic stuff in #indiechat
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Loqi [indieweb] "https://medium.com/@billt/the-open-web-and-its-enemies-2ed3bc667aea#.vq4tr93zu #indieweb "We will only have an #openweb if we build and defend it against those who see in it challenges to their authority."" by Grant Potter http://known.networkeffects.ca/2016/billtthe-open-web-and-its-enemies-2ed3bc667aeavq4tr93zu-indieweb-we-will-only-have-an-openweb-if-we
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matrrix tantek: didnt even know there was an indiechat
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matrrix i am there now
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matrrix :)
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KevinMarks hm, woodwind thinks all the "this week in the indieweb" posts were 4 hours ago - missing dt-published?
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aaronpk yeah i added it after it scanned it once
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KevinMarks ah, right
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@EdTechDeleon @LindseyBlass1 And how I'd LOVE for this platform to be aligned with @indiewebcamp ideals too! #GoogleEI (twitter.com/_/status/698289163423084544)
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tantek !tell jgarber will there be a HWC in DC in 2 weeks? Please add it to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-02-24-homebrew-website-club#Where !
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell tbrb is there a HWC Edi next week or the week after?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek gRegorLove: do you think the one day event templates are good enough to use to add HWC meetups in March to /Events ?
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gRegorLove tantek: I found a bug with the dt-start that I need to fix first.
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gRegorLove I'll work on that later today