#indiewebcamp 2016-02-14

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KartikPrabhu Jeena: by photographer do you mean professional?
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KartikPrabhu if not then here are some: https://kartikprabhu.com/articles/tag=photography
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GWG petermolnar: How do you feel about genericons?
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petermolnar what are genericons?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "genericons" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10E2
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GWG Genericons is an icon font set created by Automattic and popular with WordPress themes.
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loqi.me created /Genericons (+114) "prompted by petermolnar https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-13/line/1455415801972 and dfn added by GWG" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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petermolnar checking it now... so far, generic
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petermolnar and not really consistent
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petermolnar too much varying in size ( as in width and height ), not enough things, no, I don't like it
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GWG It's used by Jetpack for its social menu
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GWG petermolnar: The reason why I'm asking is that I was looking on how to enhance the rel me menu
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petermolnar WordPress ships font awesome by default iirc, but I'm not sure
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GWG petermolnar: It doesn't.
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GWG Only Dashicons, the admin font set.
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GWG I think, if KevinMarks were here, he'd suggest SVG.
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GWG Because he has in the past.
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KartikPrabhu i would say SVG for icons too
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GWG KartikPrabhu: I understand the pros. I just tend to feel that there isn't as much adoption of it in WordPress. I use it in one of my plugins.
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Loqi [mention] someone wrote a post that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com https://webmention.io/notification/G9VkYTOysu1YGiQaKxOUhg
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tantek GWG what are social media icons?
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GWG tantek: Did I use that term?
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loqi.me created /social_media_icons (+34) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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tantek no I was attempting to trigger Loqi into helping you out
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Loqi grins profusely
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tantek GWG, https://indiewebcamp.com/social_media_icon_set
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tantek in case that helps, specifically for your use case of rel=me link icons!
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GWG Yes.
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tantek (that's what I use)
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GWG I was looking at what is popular on WordPress to try and make it familiar.
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GWG But PNGs work as well.
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GWG Hasn't been updated in a while though
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tantek last commit was less than 2 years ago
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tantek besides all you really need are the ones for IndieAuth
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tantek.com edited /icon (+28) "/* See Also */ social_media_icon_set" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Genericons (+52) "linky, see also" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /social_media_icon_set (+17) "see also" (view diff)
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GWG tantek: But we are not only about Indieauth. Rel-me for me is about where else I am. Not only auth.
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GWG This has always been a prioritization issue for me.
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GWG I see the benefit of the achievement of Indieauth, but beyond that, it doesn't help me interact with others
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[kevinmarks] Why don't you like SVG?
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[kevinmarks] Especially for simple icons where you can inline it
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[kevinmarks] So, here's a mad idea. Indieweb valentines
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[kevinmarks] You indieauth into the site, then it sends an anonymous webmention to your valentine :hearts:
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[kevinmarks] If they send you one too, it tells you both
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[kevinmarks] And lets you mark it up with rel=crush
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GWG KevinMarks: I have no issue with SVG. I implemented it. It just isn't as prevalent in WordPress.
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[kevinmarks] Oh, right. There is a lot of inertia there
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[kevinmarks] If you've learnt how to build themes a particular way, it is harder to change
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GWG KevinMarks: I may give it a try regardless.
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GWG The other problem is putting in SVG is more code right now
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tantek postpone from v1 then
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GWG I am. I'm rewriting the text based version to be better prepared for that in a v2...or rather, to be technical, we're up to v3...so v4.
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tantek makes sense
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GWG v1 - Original Indieweb Plugin - Semantic Linkbacks and Webmentions merged into a plugin
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GWG v2 - No bundled plugins, Plugin installer
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tantek GWG, do you have a history documented on the wiki?
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GWG v3 - Functionality back in
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tantek that might be a good place to capture that
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tantek what is Indieweb Plugin?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Indieweb Plugin" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10E4
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tantek huh
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GWG I thought we did have a page for it
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david.shanske.com edited /rel-syndication (+42) "/* How to link from WordPress */" (view diff)
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GWG I'm surprised
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GWG Guess I should create that page
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GWG Should it be called the Indieweb Plugin?
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tantek GWG, try searching for it first
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GWG We had that problem with the Webmention Plugin
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tantek maybe it's called something else somewhere
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GWG Nope
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GWG What is the WordPress IndieWeb Plugin?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "WordPress IndieWeb Plugin" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10E5
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tantek GWG, perhaps start by linking to it from the Getting Started With WordPress page
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tantek and then you can create it from there
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GWG Well, I need to work on that page. It started as a mirror of a page inside the plugin
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tantek yes that's a good page to always keep in mind, it helps set the right context for why Indieweb plugin
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@russnelson @t is RelMeAuth supposed to work with rel="me nofollow" also? https://plus.google.com/+RussellNelson/about has that but IndieAuth failed on it. (twitter.com/_/status/698718158987857920)
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aaronpk did google+ stop working entirely? I should just disable it in indieauth.com if so
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tantek KevinMarks: can you look into the Google+ rel=me support? ^^^
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tantek.com edited /privacy (+22) "/* See Also */ see also private account" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /private_account (+959) "stub based on Instagram and Twitter experiences" (view diff)
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aaronpk about to publish my first blog post on the new p3k
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tantek.com edited /Instagram (+22) "/* Features */ private account" (view diff)
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aaronpk already filed some feature requests with the Quill editor
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tantek.com edited /Twitter (+17) "/* Features */ * [[private account]]" (view diff)
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aaronpk oh boy
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aaronpk kylewm: silo.pub mis-estimated the tweet length
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aaronpk twitter didn't autolink "gogs.io:" but silo.pub thought it would, so it cut off my last hashtag
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Loqi [indienews] New post: https://aaronparecki.com/2016/02/13/18/ http://news.indiewebcamp.com/en/aaronparecki.com/2016/02/13/18/
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@aaronpk I wrote some words about why I migrated away from Gitlab and Bitbucket to Gogs.io: https://aaronparecki.com/2016/02/13/18/ #indieweb https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/698751408485462016/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/698751408485462016)
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aaronpk (that's the corrected tweet above. i added the photo and tweeted it manually)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Got my @withknown hosted on @ReclaimHosting upreved to v0.9.0.4, signed up for #Convoy and now I can #POSSE again :) #indieweb" by Rob Fairhead http://raretrack.uk/2016/got-my-withknown-hosted-on-reclaimhosting-upreved-to-v0904-signed
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Loqi [indieweb] "Taking part in the IndieWeb" by Rob Fairhead https://calumryan.com/talks/fel-280116
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[aaronpk] Some interesting ideas to collect for future reference https://medium.com/@randileeharper/putting-out-the-twitter-trashfire-3ac6cb1af3e
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@jordan_web RT @aaronpk I wrote some words about why I migrated away from Gitlab and Bitbucket to Gogs.io: https://aaronparecki.com/2016/02/13/18/ #indieweb https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/698751408485462016/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/698786037531852800)
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petermolnar what is keybase.io?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "keybase.io" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10E6
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petermolnar keybase.io is a silo for what indie sites could do better with h-cards.
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loqi.me created /keybase.io (+98) "prompted by petermolnar https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-14/line/1455440200181 and dfn added by petermolnar" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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cweiske.de edited /feed_file (+350) "feed advantage" (view diff)
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Loqi [mention] Rob Fairhead and Jonny Barnes liked http://indiewebcamp.com/this-week-in-the-indieweb https://webmention.io/notification/tCsDawEHcufpZKFYPu1RxQ
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Loqi [indieweb] "Got my @withknown hosted on @ReclaimHosting upreved to v0.9.0.4, signed up for #Convoy and now I can #POSSE again :) #indieweb" by Rob Fairhead http://www.raretrack.uk/2016/got-my-withknown-hosted-on-reclaimhosting-upreved-to-v0904-signed
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Loqi [indieweb] "Taking part in the IndieWeb" by Rob Fairhead https://calumryan.com/talks/fel-280116
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@jkphl Blogging? Posting photos? You should #ownYourData! Meet the #indieweb and join our @indiewebcamp during @nueww http://nueww.tollwerk.de/blog/article/Post/show/indieweb-unsere-daten-unser-netz-96/d9b831d86e233f016654c5f4cf56618d/ (twitter.com/_/status/698845725803868160)
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@mdusing RT @aaronpk I wrote some words about why I migrated away from Gitlab and Bitbucket to Gogs.io: https://aaronparecki.com/2016/02/13/18/ #indieweb https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/698751408485462016/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/698875682420625409)
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@nueww RT @jkphl Blogging? Posting photos? You should #ownYourData! Meet the #indieweb and join our @indiewebcamp during @nueww http://nueww.tollwerk.de/blog/article/Post/show/indieweb-unsere-daten-unser-netz-96/d9b831d86e233f016654c5f4cf56618d/ (twitter.com/_/status/698885881957064705)
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kylewm aaronpk: sorry about the silopub issue, the check for bare ccTLDs was case-sensitive. it should be fixed now!
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kylewm what is Keybase?
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Loqi Keybase is a GPG key silo https://indiewebcamp.com/keybase
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kylewm Not really much of a silo, imho
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kylewm.com edited /keybase.io (-77) "Redirected page to [[Keybase]]" (view diff)
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[aaronpk] kylewm: I don't actually know why Twitter doesn't auto link gogs.io, is it because it's so short?
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[aaronpk] I guess this is the same trick Tantek uses for ttk.me I wonder if he knows the pattern
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GWG aaronpk: What server are you running?
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kylewm aaronpk, yeah twitter doesn't autolink bare cctlds
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kylewm and cassis and brevity do account for that
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[aaronpk] Ah got it
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nelson Two things, "selfdogfooding" first. It's kind-of a strange term, yes. Maybe CIMBY? Coding In My Back Yard. Advantage? Everybody knows what NIMBY is, so telling them that the C is for Coding should get the idea across.
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nelson Disadvantage is that NIMBY is a bad thing, unless, of course, *you* are the NIMBY.
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GWG nelson: Dogfooding is a long standing term. That isn't always a good reason though, admittedly.
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GWG What is dogfooding?
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Loqi dogfood in the context of the indieweb, refers to the software practice of "eating your own dog food" but in particular with using your own creations on your own personal site that you depend on, day to day https://indiewebcamp.com/dogfooding
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nelson Or http://indiewebcamp.com/selfdogfood
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aaronpk I agree "selfdogfood" is not the greatest term, however there has yet to be a better suggestion
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@nxD4n This is cool. This is not very #indieweb #posse, but the native syndication from #known to 4sq is not working quit… https://nxd4n.nixekinder.be/2016/this-is-cool-this-is-not-very-indieweb-posse-but (twitter.com/_/status/698943731802701824)
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Loqi [indieweb] "This is cool. This is not very #indieweb #posse, but the native syndication from #known to 4sq is not working quit well (if you don't" by Daniel Nix https://nxd4n.nixekinder.be/2016/this-is-cool-this-is-not-very-indieweb-posse-but
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nelson that's why I'm suggesting CIMBY. It's not widely used, and doesn't need to be explained beyond the "Coding" part.
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aaronpk NIMBY is a negative thing though
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GWG Well, coding suggests the only contribution someone can make is coding.
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aaronpk also that
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GWG That is a problem that often occurs in projects.
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GWG Not onboarding non-coders.
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GWG Things like user testing, writing documentation, design, feedback, etc.
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nelson Good point. Serious problem in the Open Source world. I withdraw my suggestion.
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GWG Negativity in open source is something that drives me crazy whenever I try to get involved.
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@INC_says Happy Valentine's Day from INC. Show someone you love some great #indie / #indiefilm /#indieweb / #film / #fanfilm 2day. 💋 ❤️💖📷📹📽 (twitter.com/_/status/698945041776021504)
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nelson Okay, on to the second thing. I love IndieAuth, but it isn't working with Google+. Yes, I saw the caution, but I've got it in Profiles, not links.
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nelson One thing I noticed is that Google+ is using rel="me nofollow". Is that going to screw up IndieAuth?
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aaronpk German is good at taking complex concepts and turning them into a single word, right? Maybe there's a german word we can use :)
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GWG It was inquired about yesterday. I think someone was going to check.
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nelson No rel=me link was found on https://plus.google.com/+RussellNelson/about to http://russnelson.com/
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aaronpk can you check the HTML of that page and see if there is in fact a rel=me link?
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nelson Yet this "works": curl https://plus.google.com/+RussellNelson/about | grep 'href="http://russnelson.com/ " rel="me nofollow"'
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nelson Urgh, X-Chat inserted a space where it should be /"
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GWG So, nelson, what brought you here today? I like to hear people's stories.
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nelson I've got an account on Known, which I don't use very much because most of my photos get posted to a Facebook group. I want to figure out how I can post photos to my own blog, to the Facebook group, and to Flickr.
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GWG Ah, the POSSE dilemma. I know Known supports Facebook. It doesn't support groups? I thought when I saw a demo of it that it did.
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GWG Flickr, I can't recall.
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GWG But we have Known people around.
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nelson I have known that, yes.
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nelson I also thought I should eat my own dog food. I don't like silos. I like protocols. Time to put up or shut up.
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aaronpk nelson: I don't actually see that html when I run curl
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GWG nelson: I don't like anything that puts out a welcome mat and then closes the door behind me.
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GWG It's sort of the digital equivalent of Hansel and Gretel.
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aaronpk similarly when I view source on https://plus.google.com/+RussellNelson/about there is actually no reference to russnelson.com at all
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aaronpk I think Google+ went all js;dr on their profiles
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GWG aaronpk: I think I saw something about this in the logs last night
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GWG I think that might have been nelson tweeting tantek
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GWG Oh, yes...it was you
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GWG http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-13/line/1455422424340
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nelson aaronpk: that's weird. curl isn't logged-in, so we should be getting the same thing. When I run it, I get 25951 characters of which several are the string:
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nelson <a class="OLa url Xvc" href="http://russnelson.com/" rel="me nofollow" target="_blank" title="My home page">My home page</a>
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nelson yes, I saw @t's name associated with IndieAuth and took a shot in the dark.
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GWG But it looks like tantek asked KevinMarks if he could look at it. I guess he might still have contacts there.
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aaronpk odd, yeah that's nowhere in what I see
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nelson GWG: I don't like how everything used to be interoperable using published protocols, but now you're supposed to log in to a silo and use their proprietary API.
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nelson aaronpk: this is barfalicious, but: nelson@d2:~$ curl https://plus.google.com/+RussellNelson/about | grep 'href="http://russnelson.com/" rel="me nofollow"' | sed 's!.*<a class="OLa url Xvc" href="http://russnelson.com/" rel="me nofollow" target="_blank" title="My home page">My home page</a>.*!<a class="OLa url Xvc" href="http://russnelson.com/" rel="me nofollow" target="_blank" title="My home page">My home page</a>!'
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GWG nelson: I agree. And sometimes the API is restricted. It would at least be doable if the API was easy to work with
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GWG Look at Bridgy. The fighting to get API access.
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nelson I could handle logging in IF I didn't have to learn a proprietary API every time.
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nelson I mean, you have to login to IMAP, right?
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GWG Yes.
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nelson less barfalicious: curl https://plus.google.com/+RussellNelson/about | grep -q 'href="http://russnelson.com/" rel="me nofollow"' && echo "found it"
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aaronpk here's what I see: https://gist.github.com/aaronpk/df052424ab82a5d97511
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aaronpk oh it is in there, just buried in between other crap
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nelson I speculate that rel="me nofollow" is confusing IndieAuth.
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aaronpk indieauth.com doesn't care about the nofollow
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aaronpk yeah when I load the page from the ruby environment that indieauth.com uses, there is no link to russnelson.com in the html
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nelson I pasted what I see into a comment, which github "helpfully" interprets as HTML, but you can see it there.
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nelson WEIRD. I blame Google.
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aaronpk i'm pretty sure that link isn't actually in parsable HTML. i suspect it's in a comment block or some other script thing
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nelson Github found it in the comment I posted to that gist.
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aaronpk github is likely munging the crap out of that html before rendering it
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aaronpk so they may have removed a script tag or whatever
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nelson Ahhhhh, interesting, when I load that html back into Chrome, it shows me about the same thing you pasted in the gist.
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nelson I think your theory is correct. I'll look at the HTML and see if there is a work-around.
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aaronpk sadly this means any solution is going to involve hard-coding specific behavior for google+, so at that point might as well use the API since it will be less prone to breaking
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GWG aaronpk: I heard they have a new API for that somewhere
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sknebel wow, webstorm nearly craps itself trying to make sense of that file
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GWG https://developers.google.com/+/web/api/rest/latest/people
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GWG Might be this. Not sure
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sknebel webstorm claims this is a valid XPath expression to find the link: /html/body/div[2]/div[@id='content']/div[2]/div[5]/div/div/div[2]/div[2]/div/div[2]/div[@id='102355438470080501971-about-page']/div/div/div/div/div[1]/div[2]/div[@id='13']/div[2]/div/div[3]/div[2]/ul/li[3]/div/a/@rel
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sknebel so it seems like it is in accessible HTML
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aaronpk interesting
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aaronpk I just tested it loading that HTML directly instead of having it make the HTTP request itself, and it still can't find it
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aaronpk at least now I know google isn't returning something different to indieauth.com
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nelson That's good. I'm trying to parse it using sax and .... it's not a happy camper.
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nelson morning, tantek. Trying to figure out why G+ hates IndieAuth right now.
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tantek morning nelson - good q, I haven't kept up with G+ revisions
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tantek aaronpk: do we have anything in the logs for the last time someone IndieAuth'd via G+?
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tantek.com edited /private_account (+152) "/* Silo Examples */ need screenshots and other things" (view diff)
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aaronpk good question, one sec
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nelson Well, sax is just plain confused. It sees the <script> but is trying to parse the javascript as XML.
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aaronpk very recently! Feb 3rd
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aaronpk oh interesting, they put a different URL for their G+ profile
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tantek.com edited /feed_file (+372) "/* Full-text feeds */ Counter-evidence against an un-evidenced claim" (view diff)
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aaronpk oh my god google
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aaronpk i load the page and it starts to render stuff, but then the whole screen turns grey and now it's hanging
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@dkreuz @a_mann89 BTW, wenn schon P?P, dann doch gleich Known, statt WP ;) #indieweb https://withknown.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/698961159307862016)
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tantek aaronpk, if it stops working via curl, we should just document that as an Issue on /Google+ and note that Google has broken their markup, again.
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tantek nelson, are you able to use an alternative for now like GitHub?
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aaronpk i *think* that is the case but trying to actually confirm it
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aaronpk nelson: try using this url on your site: https://plus.google.com/+RussellNelson/about/p/pub
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aaronpk indieauth.com is still able to confirm someone else's G+ profile with the URL in that format
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tantek.com edited /feed_file (+26) "and optionally h-feed" (view diff)
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tantek what is Gogs.io
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Gogs.io" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10E7
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Loqi [indieweb] "antwort auf einen eintrag auf nxd4n.nixekinder.be" by ix@wirres.net (felix schwenzel) http://wirres.net/article/articleview/9324/1/0/
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tantek aaronpk and yes re: trick for Twitter not auto-linking ccTLDs and ttk.me
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tantek I'm sure they don't autolink because they found too many false positives in the random stuff people tweet.
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[kevinmarks] I blame will.i.am
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nelson GRRRRRRRR....... yes, that works, aaronpk.
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tantek KevinMarks: lol
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nelson Maybe change the example page on indieauth.com/setup so it says plus.google.com/+aaronpk/p/pub ?
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aaronpk wow
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tantek what is the will.i.am problem?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "will.i.am problem" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10E8
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Loqi [indieweb] "antwort auf einen eintrag auf nxd4n.nixekinder.be" by ix@wirres.net (felix schwenzel) http://wirres.net/article/articleview/9324/1/54/
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nelson tantek: I'm able to use five alternatives. :-) Every one but G+ works, and G+ works now.
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tantek The will.i.am problem refers to the problem of auto-linking plain domains on ccTLDs leading to false positives, exemplified by the musician will.i.am (actual spelling) who does not own the "i.am" [[short-domain]], and the likely reason why Twitter does not [[autolink]] ccTLD domains.
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tantek refers to sheesh
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aaronpk updated
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nelson You mean I don't have to set up all of them?? ;)
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nelson woots
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tantek The will.i.am problem is the problem of false positives when auto-linking plain domains on ccTLDs, exemplified by mentions of the musician will.i.am (actual spelling) who does not own the "i.am" [[short-domain]], and the likely reason why Twitter does not [[autolink]] ccTLD domains.
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Loqi woot
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loqi.me created /will.i.am_problem (+306) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-14/line/1455480724124 and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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[kevinmarks] Except he does now
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tantek wat seriously
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tantek he bought i.am?
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[kevinmarks] Or did a deal with who has it so will.i.am is his
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nelson Yes, it looks like he did a deal with them.
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tantek then that's a bad name for the problem
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aaronpk wow that's nuts
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aaronpk well it's still a problem unless you have piles of money
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tantek ok past tense
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tantek.com edited /will.i.am_problem (+180) "past tense, he owns it now, see also" (view diff)
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KevinMarks hm, I still see rel-me on my plus profile
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KevinMarks http://www.unmung.com/mf2?url=https%3A%2F%2Fplus.google.com%2F%2BKevinMarks&html=&pretty=on
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tantek yeah my google profiles stopped working
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aaronpk KevinMarks: wow the pin13 parser sees something totally different
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tantek (or rather, trying a rescan)
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KevinMarks and on Russ's http://www.unmung.com/mf2?url=https%3A%2F%2Fplus.google.com%2F%2BRussellNelson&html=&pretty=on
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tantek google broke google.com/profiles/tantek
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KevinMarks it's profiles.google.com/tantek
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tantek WTF they 404d it
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KevinMarks you remebered it wrong
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aaronpk what user agent does unmung send?
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tantek KevinMarks: NO, I have had that markup on my site for AGES
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tantek they actually 404d it. It used to work in the Buzz days
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KevinMarks oh weird
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tantek lame Google, very lame
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tantek what is Google Profile
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Google Profile" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10E9
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KevinMarks getting the subdomain was a big deal when we built it
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KevinMarks http://www.unmung.com/mf2?url=http%3A%2F%2Fprofiles.google.com%2Ftantek&html=&pretty=on
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tantek.com edited /Google (+220) "/* Dead Services */ Google Broke original Google Profile URLs" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Google (+119) "/* Dead Services */ note workaround for broken Google Profile URLS" (view diff)
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KevinMarks did it used to redirect to profile. ?
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tantek yeah
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tantek which now redirects again to G+
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tantek so Google Profiles are completely dead
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tantek and just redirect to G+
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tantek one fewer link for my Elsewhere thne
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KevinMarks they redirected to G+ a while ago, yes
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tantek except they likely then broke the original profile URLs
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KevinMarks looking at archive.org, it was a 302 to profiles.google.com/[name]
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KevinMarks the original urls were the subdomain
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KevinMarks so in december it was still a 302 https://web.archive.org/web/20151208065942/https://plus.google.com/109182513536739786206
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KevinMarks and in jan it became a 404 https://web.archive.org/web/20160123173426/http://google.com/profiles/tantek
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tantek nice work
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KevinMarks in 2010 it was served directly from buzz
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tantek.com edited /Google (+176) "/* Dead Services */ update Google Profile URL 404 date per KevinMarks archive.org citations" (view diff)
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KevinMarks looks like you didn't make a pre-buzz one https://web.archive.org/web/20090417063043/http://www.google.com/profiles/kevinmarks
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KevinMarks vs https://web.archive.org/web/20100222011538/http://www.google.com/profiles/kevinmarks
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tantek right, I think the Buzz team's enthusiasm for supporting standards motivated me to work with it to see how far we could move things along
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KevinMarks yes, they inherited some of that from profiles/opensocial
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KevinMarks still puzzled by why unmung is seeing rel-me links and pin13 isn't
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KevinMarks my useragent is 'IndieWebCards/0.5 like Mozilla'
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KevinMarks because all useragents have to mention Mozilla
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aaronpk whoa
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aaronpk http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fplus.google.com%2F%2BKevinMarks&html=&pretty=on
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aaronpk now there's an h-card
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singpolyma "IndieWebCards/0.5 like Mozilla or IE or is it Trident? Maybe Presto. Some WebKit influence. Does you sniffer like Blink? Firefox and Iceweasel and Dillo and lynx. Mozilla again."
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Loqi singpolyma: tantek left you a message 1 day, 22 hours ago: agreed that that's an improvement. could also add h-cite to the u-in-reply-to! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-12/line/1455314752670
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aaronpk well this is an interesting issue
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aaronpk "AppleWebKit/537.36" is the string that triggers the different response from g+
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aaronpk with that string, I don't get any rel=me URLs. without that string I see the h-card and a bunch of rel=me
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sknebel google--
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Loqi google has -4 karma
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sknebel useragent--
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Loqi useragent has -1 karma
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KevinMarks so desktop safari would not see them either?
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aaronpk i'm pretty sure i snagged the whole user agent string from chrome to use there
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aaronpk the flip side of this problem is i was seeing some peoples' sites not return HTML unless the user agent looked like a browser
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aaronpk which is why i put a browser user agent string in there in the first place
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KevinMarks hm, the G+ rewrite was supposed to enable both client and server rendering
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KevinMarks maybe they are sniffing to do that
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KevinMarks if we can document this, we can poke the devs there
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KartikPrabhu caught up on logs
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KartikPrabhu sheesh on G+ problem
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tantek.com edited /GNU_social (+259) "examples section with list" (view diff)
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KevinMarks what is the history of this? is http://enkompiskompis.se/en/quitter-se/ the first?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "history of this" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10EA
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tantek KevinMarks: do you know if any of those support private accounts? if so, could you add to https://indiewebcamp.com/private_account ?
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singpolyma what is a private account?
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Loqi A private account is a silo account where all posts on its profile are private, and only approved followers (or friends) can see posts https://indiewebcamp.com/private_account
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KevinMarks singpolyma, you've spent more time with gnusocial - does the twitter lookalike skin originate with quitter.se?
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singpolyma KevinMarks: I believe Qvitter (the js;dr twitter-alike GNU Social plugin) was developed originally for quitter.se -- the guys behind quitter.se are also behind the Qvitter github, etc
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KevinMarks ah http://quitter.se/doc/faq is helpful here
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KevinMarks i'll add some notes
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kevinmarks.com edited /GNU_social (+138) "/* Examples */ add Qvitter links" (view diff)
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Schnitz mornin'
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Schnitz currently stress testing Site44 ... emulating DOS attacks: http://schamonimusik.site44.com/gallery/more/evenmore/runuts/
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sknebel .oO
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sknebel loading as many random files as your browser will allow?
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sknebel btw, how fixed are you on dropbox? as in, is dropbox what you want, or the UX of simply putting files in a local folder and it works?
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Schnitz sknebel, first question yes
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Schnitz I've set up some batch image manipulation is gimp for this
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Schnitz second one
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Schnitz welll...
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Schnitz its more of an evangelizing thing
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Schnitz I hope to get other non-technical people exciting about homebrew website thru the dropbox hack
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sknebel and if people have to install something new it get's complicated
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Schnitz exactly
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Schnitz me personaly I'm fine with FTP
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Schnitz or whatever
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Schnitz WebDAV
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Schnitz dont' care
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aaronpk fixed RSVP display
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GWG aaronpk: Good