#indiewebcamp 2016-02-15

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GWG
I have researched my SVG vs icon font issue. I've given into the SVG lobby
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GWG
If I can get it working in a well integrated way.
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[aaronpk]
Is it still possible to do stuff like change the icon color on hover and such with the SVG icon?
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KartikPrabhu
you have to embed the SVG directly though
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KartikPrabhu
in fact I change my sire icon colours on some articles through CSS
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KartikPrabhu
s/sire/site
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Loqi
KartikPrabhu meant to say: in fact I change my site icon colours on some articles through CSS
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GWG
That is why it never got into WordPress Core. The efforts fizzled out to write some simple code to do the embed.
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[oliverpattison]
inline SVG `<svg>` is a bit more flexible than even icon fonts: any color or layer can be changed and many attributes or elements can be animated or otherwise modified by CSS or JS
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KartikPrabhu
really!? with all the complicated stuff Wordpress does, they got stuck on SVG embeds!
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KartikPrabhu
[oliverpattison]: yup! :)
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[oliverpattison]
`<img src="icon.svg">` is less flexible, but that’s not a replacement for icon fonts
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KartikPrabhu
also you can make them always match the colour of the text like so : https://kartikprabhu.com/articles/inline-svg-icons
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GWG
KartikPrabhu: I found the discussion. The proposal was for replacing the admin icons with SVG, and the people proposing it never followed through
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aaronpk
just had a fun idea for indienews + @indiewebcamp twitter
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aaronpk
if 2+ people like a post that was submitted to indienews, it should be tweeted out from @indiewebcamp
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KartikPrabhu
nice idea
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aaronpk
easiest way for me to implement is relying on salmentions
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aaronpk
so that might also be a fun way to encourage salmention implementations
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aaronpk
I could also do it by handling syndicated "like-of" posts with not too much extra effort
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aaronpk
but that sounds harder from an authoring perspective
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GWG
I encourage reasons to implement new things
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kylewm
aaronpk: when you posse an indieweb reply to twitter, do you send in-reply-to[] with both the original URL and the twitter URL? do you think silopub should handle that case?
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kylewm
or maybe it should fetch the in-reply-to url and look for u-syndication itself
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kylewm
i'm now thinking it should be the latter
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kylewm
doh, it already does that! :)
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[kevinmarks]
It's always nice when the bug is already fixed
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nelson
Is there a graphic which shows how information flows from one silo to another? (maybe it's not fair to call GNUSocial a "silo", but technically it is).
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KartikPrabhu
nelson: that depends highly on the 2 silos no?
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KartikPrabhu
and does information flow between silos anyway?
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nelson
KartikPrabhu: I was thinking of what Bridgy does, but there are other services, e.g. IndiaAuth.
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nelson
Damnit, IndieAuth. My fingers keep trying to type India all the time for Indie.
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KartikPrabhu
oh as in what info flows to the silos towards your site or something
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@BrendanEich
@kevinmarks @taoeffect @fredwilson @petertoddbtc There can be only one Web, in the end. Kind of like Highlander (movie, not TV show lol).
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KartikPrabhu
blockchain;dr
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[kevinmarks]
Founder of js;dr
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KartikPrabhu
that is not my reason :P
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KartikPrabhu
just not interested in blockchain arguments
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[kevinmarks]
Fair enough, but Brendan should know better than to make Bitcoin is the Web analogies
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@georgkaser
With #Picasa another hosted Service will be closed soon. Time to take control of your content in future! #selfhosted #indieweb #ilovefs
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KartikPrabhu
isn't Picasa gone already?
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cjk101010
may 1, 2016 (web) and march 15, 2016 (desktop)
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KartikPrabhu
oh ok. i stopped using it a long time ago since everything moved to G+ photos then Google Phots
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KartikPrabhu
cjk101010: what is your personal website?
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KartikPrabhu
you should add yourself to /irc-people
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Loqi
it is probable
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cjk101010
I think I can’t authorize myself, yet
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KartikPrabhu
why? what's the problem you are facing?
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cjk101010
I simply didn’t look into the spec, yet, and don’t now what to do. I’m pretty new to the indieweb movement (although I always had my personal website, since ‘99 or something like that)
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KartikPrabhu
cjk101010: that is pretty old! awesome
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KartikPrabhu
what is Indieauth?
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Loqi
IndieAuth is a way to use your own domain name to sign in to websites — it's like OpenID, but works with services you likely already use, and is much easier to setup https://indiewebcamp.com/IndieAuth
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KartikPrabhu
cjk101010: this might help: https://indieauth.com/setup
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cjk101010
thanks!
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petermolnar
cjk101010 we should make a since-99 group :) ( although unfortunately the pre-2002 version of my site are probably lost forever :( )
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KartikPrabhu
I would be 2006 ;)
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petermolnar
cjk101010 for auth, try https://wwwtech.de/about for url, not https://wwwtech.de/
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KartikPrabhu
that's when I started having a consistent internet connection
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petermolnar
because the supported rel=me is on your about page
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cjk101010
petermolnar: a suitable alias for that group would be ”žold farts group“ ;-)
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KartikPrabhu
or you could add it to your homepage :)
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petermolnar
I ain't no old fart :P :)
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cjk101010
no, I like linking to my about page, it is on purpose. Most of my accounts link to that.
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cjk101010
thanks!
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cjk101010
petermolnar: me neither! ;-)
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cjk101010
thanks! :) hm, did you send a web mention?
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KartikPrabhu
said "201"
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cjk101010
hm, then my mail notification is bugged.
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cjk101010
interesting, has been written to the DB correctly but the mail notification failed
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cjk101010
well, have to look at that this evening… sadly I have to work now
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cjk101010
thanks for the feedback, though!
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KartikPrabhu
no worries!
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KartikPrabhu
let me know if i can help with debigging
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petermolnar
cjk101010 by the way, the list of supported silos for indieauth: http://indiewebcamp.com/indieauth.com
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cjk101010
oh, one can do indieauth with GPG?
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KartikPrabhu
yes and SMS if you'd like
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cweiske
aaronpk, does monocle rely on the h-feed alone, or does it pull the single entry URLs, too?
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cweiske
kylewm, does woodwind rely on the h-feed alone, or does it pull the single entry URLs, too?
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KartikPrabhu
cweiske: I suspect they don't (but don't trust me on this)
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cweiske
don't rely or don't fetch?
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KartikPrabhu
i would think they look for "h-feed" on the page
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KartikPrabhu
so if it is only "h-entry" it might not work
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cweiske
you don't understand what I'm asking.
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cweiske
my question was if the reader only fetches the h-feed URL and uses its contents to show the entries in the reader
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cweiske
OR if the reader fetches the h-feed URL, and then - in addition - fetches the URL of each h-entry and display that content in the reader to the user
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KartikPrabhu
oh yeah I misunderstood
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KartikPrabhu
even there I don't think they do the second fetch
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cweiske
I think they do
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KartikPrabhu
oh maybe new stuff. I haven't used woodwind in a while
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KartikPrabhu
sorry for the confusion
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KartikPrabhu
you might want to leave aaronpk and kylewm a !tell
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cweiske
!tell aaronpk, does monocle rely on the h-feed alone, or does it pull the single entry URLs, too?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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cweiske
!tell kylewm, does woodwind rely on the h-feed alone, or does it pull the single entry URLs, too?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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sknebel
woodwind doesn't seem to
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sknebel
reading https://aaronparecki.com/ through it, the reference to "Going all in on self-hosting my code" is shown only as a headline
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sknebel
as it is on the page
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sknebel
unless I'm misinterpreting how it is marked up
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cweiske
I tried my blog, and it shows the post contents
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cweiske
although my h-feed does not have any contents except date and title
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KartikPrabhu
is it a "u-uid" markup?
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cweiske
I have no u-uids
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sknebel
aaronpk has a lot of stuff, including an empty summary
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sknebel
maybe it checks if there is a summary and shows that if it is available
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cweiske
I actually only have <a class="h-entry" href="unsupported-406.htm">Unsupported: 406 Not Acceptable</a>
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cweiske
that's it
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KartikPrabhu
hmm strange
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cweiske
and I see the full letsencrypt setup contents in monocle
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KartikPrabhu
interesting
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sknebel
huh, and woodwind doesn't show any images in aaronpks feed
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sknebel
because the image proxy returns HTML for the post instead of the image
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sknebel
I wonder where between the two that goes wrong
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG
Good morning, all.
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Launching FrancisCMS onto the IndieWeb" https://sixtwothree.org/posts/launching-franciscms-onto-the-indieweb
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Schnitz
hi there
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[aaronpk]
Morning
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Loqi
[aaronpk]: cweiske left you a message 4 hours, 10 minutes ago: monocle rely on the h-feed alone, or does it pull the single entry URLs, too? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-15/line/1455530642474
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[aaronpk]
Monocle actually only uses the feed to find URLs to the posts and then fetches the contents from the URL. I'm considering changing it slightly to use what it can from the feed and then enhance the information from the permalink
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Schnitz
in case anyone has a second, site44 stress test, just open this in your browser (4k file requests): http://schamonimusik.site44.com/gallery/more/evenmore/runuts/
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Schnitz
if lots of images don't load, pls. report. Average file request failure rate currently 0.1%
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[aaronpk]
That sounds like a browser stress test lol
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Schnitz
aaronpk that too
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Schnitz
aaronpk however not really, browsers handle that w/o any problem :)
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cweiske.de
edited /feed_file (+8) "there is your proof"
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sknebel
oops, loqi already links the location in messages. that was needlessly verbose and complicated ;)
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aaronpk
tehe now my site shows a little weather icon in the header
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[kylewm]
Cweiske, woodwind just fetches the feed, not individual permalinks
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Loqi
[kylewm]: cweiske left you a message 7 hours, 8 minutes ago: woodwind rely on the h-feed alone, or does it pull the single entry URLs, too? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-15/line/1455530646658
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[kylewm]
Sknebel, iirc aaronpk doesn't include the photo inside e-content, so woodwind doesn't include it in the post
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[oliverpattison]
aaronpk nice weather feature!
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sknebel
kylewm: but there is a broken-image icon?
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aaronpk
[kylewm]: i was about to ask you about that
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aaronpk
[oliverpattison]: thanks :)
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sknebel
and if I copy that url, it leads to the image proxy
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sknebel
which delivers me HTML instead
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aaronpk
I don't see an <img> tag in my posts in woodwind
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sknebel
you are right, the last ones don't
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sknebel
it's *videos*
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sknebel
no, not only: https://aaronparecki.com/2016/01/08/16/cocktail has a broken-image for me in woodwind
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aaronpk
ooh that might be my fault
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aaronpk
that looks like an old image url
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aaronpk
which i thought i was redirecting properly, but maybe not
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aaronpk
ah it's redirecting to the HTML for the post instead of the image... hmm
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aaronpk
oh funny, some of my files changed from photo.jpg to photo.jpeg
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KartikPrabhu
oh file extensions
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aaronpk
k that woodwind proxy url works now :)
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sknebel
jup, I'm seeing pictures again :)
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aaronpk
still won't see them in new posts because i took the photo out of the e-content
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aaronpk
[kylewm]: any chance of getting woodwind to recognize the photo property itself?
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[kylewm]
Definitely. Do you think it's good enough to say "if there are no images in the content, use the photo property"?
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aaronpk
yeah that makes sense
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[kylewm]
Leaving them out of the content definitely strikes me as more correct, but almost everyone does it the other way
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aaronpk
if you wanted to be fancy you could check if the particular URL of the photo exists in the content
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[kylewm]
I don't think that would have worked on my old site. You'd get the proxied image in the content vs the direct image in the photo prop
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aaronpk
why did you point to the same photo with two urls?
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[kylewm]
Thumbnail vs full sized
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aaronpk
interesting
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@jmenglund03
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cweiske
kylewm, thanks
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cweiske
my h-feed does not have content except for the title, and woodwind does not fetch the single h-entry urls
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cweiske
no content then
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cweiske
full text atom feed displays nicely
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aaronpk
so two questions. 1) why do you not display full content on your html feed. 2) is full content actually necessary in woodwind?
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aaronpk
s/is full content actually necessary/do you actually want to see the full content
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Loqi
aaronpk meant to say: so two questions. 1) why do you not display full content on your html feed. 2) do you actually want to see the full content in woodwind?
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kylewm
aaronpk: lol, could ask you the same questions right? https://aaronparecki.com/articles
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aaronpk
i didn't say either answer was right!
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aaronpk
I am actually leaning towards preferring a reader view that does not include the full content of posts
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cweiske
aaronpk, because my h-feed is the index page of my blog - http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/
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cweiske
and my "theme" is that there is only title and date for each post
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aaronpk
as for my HTML, I would consider showing the full article text on my home page, but I actually prefer the compact view on the /articles page, I use that quite often to quickly scroll to find links to old posts to send to people
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cweiske
for 2: I want my feed reader to be able to work offline
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cweiske
also, hubs are able to do fat pings, requiring the feed reader not to do any more requests to the page itself
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cweiske
with non-fulltext feeds, you lose that advantage
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aaronpk
the hub could be the one that does the work to fetch the content from the permalink
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cweiske
could you sketch an algorithm that decides if the content has to be fetched from the permalink, or if the feed has all the content already?
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cweiske
that's easy for atom
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aaronpk
"all the content"? no, but all content it cares about, sure
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cweiske
1. if there is a <content> tag for the entry: full text feed
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cweiske
2. nothing mroe
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cweiske
I have no idea how that should work for h-feed
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cweiske
(reliably)
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aaronpk
wouldn't it be basically the same?
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aaronpk
checking for the content property
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cweiske
how do you know if it's teaser text only?
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cweiske
with a "read more" link?
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aaronpk
you shuoldn't be publishing a summary of the post in the content property. that's what the summary property is for
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aaronpk
i kind of like that super compact view of all your articles :) I might try making a page like that
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KevinMarks
for h-feed that should be a summary, not content if it's partial
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KevinMarks
which is the same as atom, rally
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KevinMarks
name/summary/content in ascending order of detail
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KevinMarks
woodwind doesn't show summary, does it?
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KevinMarks
also, looks like aaronpk's new layout breaks my code assumptions about author bring an h-card
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aaronpk
actually, in practice, Atom/RSS feeds ended up publishing truncated content just to drive people to click the link to the website, and since they never had a way to handle summary, you ended up with a bunch of feeds with partial content
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aaronpk
KevinMarks: yay edge cases
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KevinMarks
thats RSS
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KevinMarks
atom had summary from the start
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KevinMarks
RSS had description, because it was assumed to be a summary
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KevinMarks
then people put full content in description
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aaronpk
my new site ends up at step 7.4 http://indiewebcamp.com/authorship
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aaronpk
yeah, i'm gonna bring them back as "featured" images
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Loqi
yay!
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aaronpk
i gotta get better about writing summaries
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KevinMarks
for my notes posts I pick one of the notes as a sumamry
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aaronpk
i'm taking a step into editing with micropub today
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cweiske
aaronpk, the micropub spec does not specify any objects
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cweiske
will that change?
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aaronpk
oh yeah i saw that note
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aaronpk
it feels like it should be possible to describe micropub without tying it to a vocabulary, just like how the microformats parsing is not tied to a vocabulary
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cweiske
I fear that without any specified objects, there could be dozens of incompatible micropub clients - because everyone uses different property names
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aaronpk
the same is true for microformats though right?
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cweiske
but micropub is not scoped so narrow as micropub is
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KevinMarks
what does micropub do if the server doesn't understand the object?
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aaronpk
mine creates it anyway
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aaronpk
it would end up being rendered as an empty post if there aren't any properties it recognizes
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cweiske
the spec should define how servers should react if they do not support the properties the client sends
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KevinMarks
and possibly also the type?
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KevinMarks
that is a little trickier, as h-entry is a fairly broad type
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KevinMarks
there is also the slight oddness that you can just stuff mf2 in the content and pass it thourgh anyway
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aaronpk
one major thing missing from micropub right now is the ability to retrieve the source of a post
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aaronpk
that's what i'm experimenting with on my site right now
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aaronpk
(also YAY that I can finally experiment with stuff on my site again!)
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Loqi
giggles
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cweiske
did you drop search?
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aaronpk
on my site?
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aaronpk
I couldn't find a good place for the search box in the new design, plus the google results were getting worse. Once I build an elasticsearch thing like you i'll add it back.
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cweiske
a magnifier glass next to the weather on top?
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aaronpk
top bar does seem like a good place for it. it's a bit small for an inline search box tho
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cweiske
yes, I'd open a overlay text input field
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cweiske
when clicking on the icon
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aaronpk
that could work
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cweiske
https://swiftype.com/ opens the search results in an overlay
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cweiske
with an input field
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aaronpk
oh funny
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cweiske
swiftype is a hosted search provider
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aaronpk
oh they have two versions. one is a compact view that drops down from the input box, but if you press "enter" then it opens a full modal window with longer results
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aaronpk
so now I have the ability to query my micropub endpoint to return the raw values of specific properties: micropub?q=source&mp-url=http://aaronparecki.com/2015/12/07/8/&properties[]=category&properties[]=syndication
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cweiske
what I also don't know is the format that is sent via micropub
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cweiske
is it html? markdown? rst?
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aaronpk
what i've been doing for that is making it match the microformats version
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aaronpk
so "content":["hello world"] is text, but "content":[{"html":"<b>hello world</b>"}] is html
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aaronpk
the fun part is all of the posts in my new site were imported by making micropub requests from my old site
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aaronpk
so everything you see in my new site had to work in a micropub request
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kylewm
Aaronpk, that's really interesting, I was wondering about something similar for silopub... Like it would be useful to support fetching tweets as mf JSON
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aaronpk
that sounds like something slightly different
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aaronpk
that sounds like what http://embed.ly/extract does, basically turning any web page into a consistent JSON document
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aaronpk
i want that but returning mf2 or jf2
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aaronpk
that's basically the thing blocking all my next projects
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aaronpk
including showing full repost content on my site
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[kevinmarks]
so heuristically parsing the site?
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[kevinmarks]
or mapping existing silo markup into mf2?
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aaronpk
basically i only ever want to have to interact with a single format, so I want something to map any URL into that format
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[kevinmarks]
I bet I could get most of the way there by adding feed detection to unmung and calling the feed translation part
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[kevinmarks]
then just add ogp and twitter card mapping…
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[kevinmarks]
the heuristic approach would basically be patching mf2py's mf1 compatibility table for specific site patterns
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tommorris
I'd want to keep OGP/twitter cards out of backcompat [kevinmarks]. Too radical shift of behaviour. But let people opt in.
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[kevinmarks]
yes, I didn't mean as part of core mf2py
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aaronpk
there are definitely plusses and minuses to using frameworks, heh
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aaronpk
just noticed there's a new version of the CSS framework i'm using, so I updated, and they made some pretty drastic changes that I don't necessarily agree with, so now i have a bunch of CSS overrides to un-do those
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aaronpk
the good news is they fixed the bug i was having
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lukasros
Will there be an IndieWebCamp in the UK this year?
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lukasros
Planning to visit both German camps this year and thinking about whether another one in Europe will be added to the list.
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petermolnar
lukasros I've asked adactio ~2 weeks ago, no plans yet
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petermolnar
there probably will be one
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lukasros
petermolar: Thanks for the info!
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tantek
!tell cweiske are you going to document the Woodwind counter-evidence as well? As well as the fact that originally RSS had this "description-as-summary only thus must retrieve permalinks" inefficiency, while both Atom/h-feed allow for full content?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek
!tell cweiske thus sites/consuming-tools *must* be inefficient with RSS, and can be equally (in)efficient with Atom/h-feed, which leaves Atom's markup-wordiness/excess-artificial-precision inefficiency (compared to h-feed).
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek
nevermind the "less visible" DRY violation of feed files dooms to them just being *wrong* (nevermind efficiency)
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tantek
congratulations Stephen Fry, first known silo-quit of 2016!
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tantek
!tell adactio Can you confirm HWC Brighton 2016-02-24 location? https://indiewebcamp.com/next-hwc#Where
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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tantek
!tell Jeena !tell adactio Can you confirm HWC Göteborg 2016-02-24 location? https://indiewebcamp.com/next-hwc#Where
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek
!tell aaronpk !tell adactio Can you confirm HWC Portland 2016-02-24 location? https://indiewebcamp.com/next-hwc#Where
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk
haha copy paste
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Loqi
aaronpk: tantek left you a message 2 minutes ago: !tell adactio Can you confirm HWC Portland 2016-02-24 location? https://indiewebcamp.com/next-hwc#Where http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-15/line/1455572411774
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tantek
lolol
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Homebrew Website Club PDX" http://calagator.org/events/1250469817
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sknebel
Hasn't Stephen Fry quit twitter like 3 times now?
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tantek
sknebel: he mentions that in his post, and why this time is different
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tantek
I'm thinking of making my Twitter private for the same reason.
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tantek
Twitter's "public" has become a cesspool to the point where I don't really feel like participating anymore (even in public tweets with hashtags)
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aaronpk
when you switch from public to private, do all the existing followers stay following you, or do they get dropped?
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sknebel
yeah, for me twitter is mostly reading and RTing interesting/funny stuff, not really "participation"
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KevinMarks
they stay following you
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tantek
they stay following. same behavior on IG.
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tantek
what is a private account?
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Loqi
A private account is a silo account where all posts on its profile are private, and only approved followers (or friends) can see posts https://indiewebcamp.com/private_account
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tantek
what I don't understand is what happens to "likes" from people not following you when you flip from public to private
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tantek
on either/both IG and Twitter
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KevinMarks
presumbly historic ones are preseved
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KevinMarks
you can switch back and forth on twitter
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KevinMarks
I've seen people go private fro a while and come back
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KevinMarks
so, it's a per account toggle, though it will flush your follow request queue without accepting the follows when you go public again https://support.twitter.com/articles/20169886
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tantek
KevinMarks: what do you mean by "preserved"?
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KevinMarks
the likes will still belong to the tweet, but they wont show in the favorites list of the liker afaik (unless you are viewing as a follower? ) unsure
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tantek
ok right, the likes stay with the tweet/photo regardless of its account's private/public status, however the liker cannot see those tweets/photos, thus they don't show up in their "favorites list" / "Posts You've Liked" (what IG calls them)
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tantek
question is, do they toggle in/out of view in such lists depending on the private/public state of the account that published them?
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[kevinmarks]
I suppose we could experiment
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[kevinmarks]
so I can see my likes to a private account
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[kevinmarks]
but someone who doesn't follow them can't
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