#indiewebcamp 2016-02-15

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GWG I have researched my SVG vs icon font issue. I've given into the SVG lobby
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GWG If I can get it working in a well integrated way.
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[aaronpk] Is it still possible to do stuff like change the icon color on hover and such with the SVG icon?
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KartikPrabhu yes
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KartikPrabhu you have to embed the SVG directly though
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KartikPrabhu in fact I change my sire icon colours on some articles through CSS
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KartikPrabhu s/sire/site
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Loqi KartikPrabhu meant to say: in fact I change my site icon colours on some articles through CSS
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GWG That is why it never got into WordPress Core. The efforts fizzled out to write some simple code to do the embed.
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[oliverpattison] inline SVG `<svg>` is a bit more flexible than even icon fonts: any color or layer can be changed and many attributes or elements can be animated or otherwise modified by CSS or JS
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KartikPrabhu really!? with all the complicated stuff Wordpress does, they got stuck on SVG embeds!
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KartikPrabhu [oliverpattison]: yup! :)
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[oliverpattison] `<img src="icon.svg">` is less flexible, but that’s not a replacement for icon fonts
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KartikPrabhu also you can make them always match the colour of the text like so : https://kartikprabhu.com/articles/inline-svg-icons
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GWG KartikPrabhu: I found the discussion. The proposal was for replacing the admin icons with SVG, and the people proposing it never followed through
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aaronpk just had a fun idea for indienews + @indiewebcamp twitter
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aaronpk if 2+ people like a post that was submitted to indienews, it should be tweeted out from @indiewebcamp
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KartikPrabhu nice idea
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aaronpk easiest way for me to implement is relying on salmentions
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aaronpk so that might also be a fun way to encourage salmention implementations
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aaronpk I could also do it by handling syndicated "like-of" posts with not too much extra effort
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aaronpk but that sounds harder from an authoring perspective
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GWG I encourage reasons to implement new things
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kylewm aaronpk: when you posse an indieweb reply to twitter, do you send in-reply-to[] with both the original URL and the twitter URL? do you think silopub should handle that case?
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kylewm or maybe it should fetch the in-reply-to url and look for u-syndication itself
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kylewm i'm now thinking it should be the latter
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kylewm doh, it already does that! :)
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[kevinmarks] It's always nice when the bug is already fixed
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nelson Is there a graphic which shows how information flows from one silo to another? (maybe it's not fair to call GNUSocial a "silo", but technically it is).
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@ReadersBookNews RT @ReadersGazette BLOG Indie Author Answers by Jim Heskett http://www.jimheskett.com/indieauth Get help writing your book #bookbloggers 59 (twitter.com/_/status/699106161556131840)
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@tw4rw RT @ReadersGazette BLOG Indie Author Answers by Jim Heskett http://www.jimheskett.com/indieauth Get help writing your book #bookbloggers 59 (twitter.com/_/status/699101516582547456)
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@LScottBooks RT @ReadersGazette BLOG Indie Author Answers by Jim Heskett http://www.jimheskett.com/indieauth Get help writing your book #bookbloggers 59 (twitter.com/_/status/699101286952792064)
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@JackieWeger RT @ReadersGazette BLOG Indie Author Answers by Jim Heskett http://www.jimheskett.com/indieauth Get help writing your book #bookbloggers 59 (twitter.com/_/status/699101028160028672)
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@FrostieMoss RT @ReadersGazette BLOG Indie Author Answers by Jim Heskett http://www.jimheskett.com/indieauth Get help writing your book #bookbloggers 59 (twitter.com/_/status/699101027107278849)
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@NotebkBlogairy RT @ReadersGazette BLOG Indie Author Answers by Jim Heskett http://www.jimheskett.com/indieauth Get help writing your book #bookbloggers 59 (twitter.com/_/status/699101019410665472)
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@ReadersGazette BLOG Indie Author Answers by Jim Heskett http://www.jimheskett.com/indieauth Get help writing your book #bookbloggers 59 (twitter.com/_/status/699100327333773312)
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@Weifarer RT @ReadersGazette BLOG Indie Author Answers by Jim Heskett http://www.jimheskett.com/indieauth Get help writing your book #bookbloggers 86 (twitter.com/_/status/698682167027752961)
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@GillariBooks RT @ReadersGazette BLOG Indie Author Answers by Jim Heskett http://www.jimheskett.com/indieauth Get help writing your book #bookbloggers 86 (twitter.com/_/status/698680888318672897)
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@WendyandCharles ReadersGazette: BLOG Indie Author Answers by Jim Heskett http://www.jimheskett.com/indieauth Get help writing your book #bookbloggers 86 (twitter.com/_/status/698666473322115072)
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@ReadersGazette BLOG Indie Author Answers by Jim Heskett http://www.jimheskett.com/indieauth Get help writing your book #bookbloggers 86 (twitter.com/_/status/698665464331829248)
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@WendyandCharles ReadersGazette: BLOG Indie Author Answers by Jim Heskett http://www.jimheskett.com/indieauth Get help writing your book #bookbloggers 53 (twitter.com/_/status/698234017741672450)
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@ReadersGazette BLOG Indie Author Answers by Jim Heskett http://www.jimheskett.com/indieauth Get help writing your book #bookbloggers 53 (twitter.com/_/status/698231605500997632)
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@WendyandCharles ReadersGazette: BLOG Indie Author Answers by Jim Heskett http://www.jimheskett.com/indieauth Get help writing your book #bookbloggers 98 (twitter.com/_/status/697789076938866688)
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@KasperBeaumont RT @ReadersGazette BLOG Indie Author Answers by Jim Heskett http://www.jimheskett.com/indieauth Get help writing your book #bookbloggers 98 (twitter.com/_/status/697788935901208582)
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@ReadersGazette BLOG Indie Author Answers by Jim Heskett http://www.jimheskett.com/indieauth Get help writing your book #bookbloggers 98 (twitter.com/_/status/697788181941506048)
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KartikPrabhu nelson: that depends highly on the 2 silos no?
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KartikPrabhu and does information flow between silos anyway?
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nelson KartikPrabhu: I was thinking of what Bridgy does, but there are other services, e.g. IndiaAuth.
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nelson Damnit, IndieAuth. My fingers keep trying to type India all the time for Indie.
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KartikPrabhu haha
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KartikPrabhu oh as in what info flows to the silos towards your site or something
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@RikMende RT @jkphl Blogging? Posting photos? You should #ownYourData! Meet the #indieweb and join our @indiewebcamp during @nueww http://nueww.tollwerk.de/blog/article/Post/show/indieweb-unsere-daten-unser-netz-96/d9b831d86e233f016654c5f4cf56618d/ (twitter.com/_/status/699132182481260545)
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@RikMende RT @grantpotter https://medium.com/@billt/the-open-web-and-its-enemies-2ed3bc667aea#.vq4tr93zu #indieweb "We will only have an #openweb if we build and defend it against those who see .. http://known.networkeffects.ca/2016/billtthe-open-web-and-its-enemies-2ed3bc667aeavq4tr93zu-indieweb-we-will-only-have-an-openweb-if-we (twitter.com/_/status/699132343676755968)
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@RikMende RT @marcthiele A very well written article by @jkphl about what the #indieweb is (in German). http://nueww.de/blog/article/Post/show/indieweb-unsere-daten-unser-netz-96/ (twitter.com/_/status/699132414476558336)
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[kevinmarks] Wut? https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/699131187567001600
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@BrendanEich @kevinmarks @taoeffect @fredwilson @petertoddbtc There can be only one Web, in the end. Kind of like Highlander (movie, not TV show lol). (twitter.com/_/status/699131187567001600)
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KartikPrabhu blockchain;dr
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[kevinmarks] Founder of js;dr
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KartikPrabhu that is not my reason :P
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KartikPrabhu just not interested in blockchain arguments
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[kevinmarks] Fair enough, but Brendan should know better than to make Bitcoin is the Web analogies
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@georgkaser With #Picasa another hosted Service will be closed soon. Time to take control of your content in future! #selfhosted #indieweb #ilovefs (twitter.com/_/status/699166410254192640)
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KartikPrabhu isn't Picasa gone already?
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cjk101010 nope. http://googlephotos.blogspot.de/
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cjk101010 may 1, 2016 (web) and march 15, 2016 (desktop)
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KartikPrabhu oh ok. i stopped using it a long time ago since everything moved to G+ photos then Google Phots
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KartikPrabhu cjk101010: what is your personal website?
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cjk101010 https://wwwtech.de/
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cjk101010 :)
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cjk101010 yours?
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KartikPrabhu you should add yourself to /irc-people
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Loqi it is probable
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KartikPrabhu https://kartikprabhu.com
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cjk101010 I think I can’t authorize myself, yet
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KartikPrabhu why? what's the problem you are facing?
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cjk101010 I simply didn’t look into the spec, yet, and don’t now what to do. I’m pretty new to the indieweb movement (although I always had my personal website, since ‘99 or something like that)
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KartikPrabhu cjk101010: that is pretty old! awesome
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KartikPrabhu what is Indieauth?
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Loqi IndieAuth is a way to use your own domain name to sign in to websites — it's like OpenID, but works with services you likely already use, and is much easier to setup https://indiewebcamp.com/IndieAuth
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KartikPrabhu cjk101010: this might help: https://indieauth.com/setup
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cjk101010 thanks!
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petermolnar cjk101010 we should make a since-99 group :) ( although unfortunately the pre-2002 version of my site are probably lost forever :( )
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KartikPrabhu I would be 2006 ;)
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petermolnar cjk101010 for auth, try https://wwwtech.de/about for url, not https://wwwtech.de/
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KartikPrabhu that's when I started having a consistent internet connection
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petermolnar because the supported rel=me is on your about page
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cjk101010 petermolnar: a suitable alias for that group would be ”žold farts group“ ;-)
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KartikPrabhu or you could add it to your homepage :)
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KartikPrabhu cjk101010: nice article this one: https://wwwtech.de/articles/2015/oct/feedback-or-the-lack-of
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petermolnar I ain't no old fart :P :)
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cjk101010 no, I like linking to my about page, it is on purpose. Most of my accounts link to that.
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cjk101010 thanks!
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cjk101010 petermolnar: me neither! ;-)
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KartikPrabhu cjk101010: here have a like: https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/like-christiankruse-feedback
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cjk101010 thanks! :) hm, did you send a web mention?
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KartikPrabhu just did
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KartikPrabhu said "201"
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cjk101010 hm, then my mail notification is bugged.
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cjk101010 interesting, has been written to the DB correctly but the mail notification failed
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KartikPrabhu hmm
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cjk101010 well, have to look at that this evening… sadly I have to work now
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cjk101010 thanks for the feedback, though!
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KartikPrabhu no worries!
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KartikPrabhu let me know if i can help with debigging
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petermolnar cjk101010 by the way, the list of supported silos for indieauth: http://indiewebcamp.com/indieauth.com
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cjk101010 oh, one can do indieauth with GPG?
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KartikPrabhu yes and SMS if you'd like
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cweiske aaronpk, does monocle rely on the h-feed alone, or does it pull the single entry URLs, too?
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cjk101010 neat.
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cweiske kylewm, does woodwind rely on the h-feed alone, or does it pull the single entry URLs, too?
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KartikPrabhu cweiske: I suspect they don't (but don't trust me on this)
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cweiske don't rely or don't fetch?
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KartikPrabhu i would think they look for "h-feed" on the page
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KartikPrabhu so if it is only "h-entry" it might not work
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cweiske you don't understand what I'm asking.
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cweiske my question was if the reader only fetches the h-feed URL and uses its contents to show the entries in the reader
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cweiske OR if the reader fetches the h-feed URL, and then - in addition - fetches the URL of each h-entry and display that content in the reader to the user
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KartikPrabhu oh yeah I misunderstood
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KartikPrabhu even there I don't think they do the second fetch
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cweiske I think they do
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KartikPrabhu oh maybe new stuff. I haven't used woodwind in a while
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KartikPrabhu sorry for the confusion
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KartikPrabhu you might want to leave aaronpk and kylewm a !tell
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cweiske !tell aaronpk, does monocle rely on the h-feed alone, or does it pull the single entry URLs, too?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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cweiske !tell kylewm, does woodwind rely on the h-feed alone, or does it pull the single entry URLs, too?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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sknebel woodwind doesn't seem to
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cweiske why?
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sknebel reading https://aaronparecki.com/ through it, the reference to "Going all in on self-hosting my code" is shown only as a headline
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sknebel as it is on the page
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sknebel unless I'm misinterpreting how it is marked up
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cweiske I tried my blog, and it shows the post contents
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cweiske although my h-feed does not have any contents except date and title
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KartikPrabhu is it a "u-uid" markup?
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cweiske I have no u-uids
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KartikPrabhu hmm
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sknebel aaronpk has a lot of stuff, including an empty summary
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sknebel maybe it checks if there is a summary and shows that if it is available
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cweiske I actually only have <a class="h-entry" href="unsupported-406.htm">Unsupported: 406 Not Acceptable</a>
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cweiske that's it
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KartikPrabhu hmm strange
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cweiske and I see the full letsencrypt setup contents in monocle
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cweiske http://fotostore.cweiske.de/screenshots/2016-02-15%20monocle%20aaronpk%20letsencrypt.png
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KartikPrabhu interesting
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sknebel huh, and woodwind doesn't show any images in aaronpks feed
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sknebel because the image proxy returns HTML for the post instead of the image
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sknebel I wonder where between the two that goes wrong
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sknebel !tell aaronpk http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-15/line/1455531628489
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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sknebel !tell kylewm http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-15/line/1455531628489
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG Good morning, all.
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Loqi [indieweb] "Launching FrancisCMS onto the IndieWeb" https://sixtwothree.org/posts/launching-franciscms-onto-the-indieweb
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Schnitz hi there
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[aaronpk] Morning
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Loqi [aaronpk]: cweiske left you a message 4 hours, 10 minutes ago: monocle rely on the h-feed alone, or does it pull the single entry URLs, too? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-15/line/1455530642474
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Loqi [aaronpk]: sknebel left you a message 3 hours, 50 minutes ago: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-15/line/1455531628489 http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-15/line/1455531861754
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@adactioLinks Launching FrancisCMS onto the IndieWeb https://sixtwothree.org/posts/launching-franciscms-onto-the-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/699235515153969152)
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[aaronpk] Monocle actually only uses the feed to find URLs to the posts and then fetches the contents from the URL. I'm considering changing it slightly to use what it can from the feed and then enhance the information from the permalink
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Schnitz in case anyone has a second, site44 stress test, just open this in your browser (4k file requests): http://schamonimusik.site44.com/gallery/more/evenmore/runuts/
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Schnitz if lots of images don't load, pls. report. Average file request failure rate currently 0.1%
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[aaronpk] That sounds like a browser stress test lol
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Schnitz aaronpk that too
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Schnitz aaronpk however not really, browsers handle that w/o any problem :)
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cweiske.de edited /feed_file (+8) "there is your proof" (view diff)
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@evinsmj #indieweb @kevinmarks: Test post (twitter.com/_/status/699246573667090432)
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[kevinmarks] http://www.stephenfry.com/2016/02/15/peedinthepool/
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sknebel oops, loqi already links the location in messages. that was needlessly verbose and complicated ;)
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aaronpk tehe now my site shows a little weather icon in the header
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[kylewm] Cweiske, woodwind just fetches the feed, not individual permalinks
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Loqi [kylewm]: cweiske left you a message 7 hours, 8 minutes ago: woodwind rely on the h-feed alone, or does it pull the single entry URLs, too? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-15/line/1455530646658
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Loqi [kylewm]: sknebel left you a message 6 hours, 48 minutes ago: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-15/line/1455531628489 http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-15/line/1455531866262
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[kylewm] Sknebel, iirc aaronpk doesn't include the photo inside e-content, so woodwind doesn't include it in the post
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[oliverpattison] aaronpk nice weather feature!
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sknebel kylewm: but there is a broken-image icon?
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aaronpk [kylewm]: i was about to ask you about that
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aaronpk [oliverpattison]: thanks :)
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sknebel and if I copy that url, it leads to the image proxy
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sknebel which delivers me HTML instead
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aaronpk I don't see an <img> tag in my posts in woodwind
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sknebel you are right, the last ones don't
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sknebel ahh
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sknebel wait
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sknebel it's *videos*
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sknebel no, not only: https://aaronparecki.com/2016/01/08/16/cocktail has a broken-image for me in woodwind
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sknebel with this ugly url: https://woodwind.xyz/imageproxy/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faaronparecki.com%2Fnotes%2F2016%2F01%2F08%2F1%2Ffiles%2Fphoto.jpg&op=noop&sig=05a268800793c8004bb2b5ee5985835160a092fc
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aaronpk ooh that might be my fault
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aaronpk that looks like an old image url
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aaronpk which i thought i was redirecting properly, but maybe not
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aaronpk ah it's redirecting to the HTML for the post instead of the image... hmm
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KartikPrabhu indieweb relevant: http://morning.computer/2016/02/quantification-woes-and-stupid-internet/
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aaronpk oh funny, some of my files changed from photo.jpg to photo.jpeg
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KartikPrabhu oh file extensions
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aaronpk k that woodwind proxy url works now :)
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sknebel jup, I'm seeing pictures again :)
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aaronpk still won't see them in new posts because i took the photo out of the e-content
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aaronpk [kylewm]: any chance of getting woodwind to recognize the photo property itself?
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[kylewm] Definitely. Do you think it's good enough to say "if there are no images in the content, use the photo property"?
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aaronpk yeah that makes sense
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[kylewm] Leaving them out of the content definitely strikes me as more correct, but almost everyone does it the other way
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aaronpk if you wanted to be fancy you could check if the particular URL of the photo exists in the content
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[kylewm] I don't think that would have worked on my old site. You'd get the proxied image in the content vs the direct image in the photo prop
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aaronpk why did you point to the same photo with two urls?
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[kylewm] Thumbnail vs full sized
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aaronpk interesting
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aaronpk i guess it only took 6 months https://aaronparecki.com/2015/06/11/10/p3k-indieweb-refactoring
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@jmenglund03 RT @aaronpk You asked, we listened! Get weekly updates from IndieWebCamp delivered to your email or feed reader! http://indiewebcamp.com/this-week-in-the-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/699292360774021120)
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cweiske kylewm, thanks
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cweiske so we have this in woodwind: http://fotostore.cweiske.de/screenshots/2016-02-15%20woodwind%20atom%20vs%20h-feed.png
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cweiske my h-feed does not have content except for the title, and woodwind does not fetch the single h-entry urls
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cweiske no content then
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cweiske full text atom feed displays nicely
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aaronpk so two questions. 1) why do you not display full content on your html feed. 2) is full content actually necessary in woodwind?
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aaronpk s/is full content actually necessary/do you actually want to see the full content
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Loqi aaronpk meant to say: so two questions. 1) why do you not display full content on your html feed. 2) do you actually want to see the full content in woodwind?
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kylewm aaronpk: lol, could ask you the same questions right? https://aaronparecki.com/articles
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aaronpk i didn't say either answer was right!
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kylewm :D
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aaronpk I am actually leaning towards preferring a reader view that does not include the full content of posts
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Loqi [mention] someone wrote a post that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com https://webmention.io/notification/ozmEy4KOglKqH_9F3Mb8Vg
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cweiske aaronpk, because my h-feed is the index page of my blog - http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/
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cweiske and my "theme" is that there is only title and date for each post
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aaronpk as for my HTML, I would consider showing the full article text on my home page, but I actually prefer the compact view on the /articles page, I use that quite often to quickly scroll to find links to old posts to send to people
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cweiske for 2: I want my feed reader to be able to work offline
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cweiske also, hubs are able to do fat pings, requiring the feed reader not to do any more requests to the page itself
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cweiske with non-fulltext feeds, you lose that advantage
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aaronpk the hub could be the one that does the work to fetch the content from the permalink
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cweiske could you sketch an algorithm that decides if the content has to be fetched from the permalink, or if the feed has all the content already?
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cweiske that's easy for atom
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aaronpk "all the content"? no, but all content it cares about, sure
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cweiske 1. if there is a <content> tag for the entry: full text feed
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cweiske 2. nothing mroe
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cweiske I have no idea how that should work for h-feed
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cweiske (reliably)
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aaronpk wouldn't it be basically the same?
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aaronpk checking for the content property
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cweiske how do you know if it's teaser text only?
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cweiske with a "read more" link?
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aaronpk you shuoldn't be publishing a summary of the post in the content property. that's what the summary property is for
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cweiske ok
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aaronpk i kind of like that super compact view of all your articles :) I might try making a page like that
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KevinMarks for h-feed that should be a summary, not content if it's partial
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KevinMarks which is the same as atom, rally
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KevinMarks name/summary/content in ascending order of detail
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KevinMarks hm
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KevinMarks woodwind doesn't show summary, does it?
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KevinMarks also, looks like aaronpk's new layout breaks my code assumptions about author bring an h-card
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aaronpk actually, in practice, Atom/RSS feeds ended up publishing truncated content just to drive people to click the link to the website, and since they never had a way to handle summary, you ended up with a bunch of feeds with partial content
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aaronpk KevinMarks: yay edge cases
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KevinMarks thats RSS
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KevinMarks atom had summary from the start
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KevinMarks RSS had description, because it was assumed to be a summary
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KevinMarks then people put full content in description
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aaronpk my new site ends up at step 7.4 http://indiewebcamp.com/authorship
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KevinMarks also you lost the images on https://aaronparecki.com/articles
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aaronpk yeah, i'm gonna bring them back as "featured" images
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KevinMarks yay
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Loqi yay!
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KevinMarks then the storycards will look good again http://www.unmung.com/storycard?url=https://aaronparecki.com/articles
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aaronpk i gotta get better about writing summaries
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KevinMarks I started doing it more http://www.unmung.com/storycard?url=http://kevinmarks.com
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KevinMarks for my notes posts I pick one of the notes as a sumamry
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aaronpk i'm taking a step into editing with micropub today
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Loqi [indieweb] "pubsubhubbub" http://wirres.net/article/articleview/9291/1/6/
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cweiske aaronpk, the micropub spec does not specify any objects
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cweiske will that change?
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aaronpk oh yeah i saw that note
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aaronpk it feels like it should be possible to describe micropub without tying it to a vocabulary, just like how the microformats parsing is not tied to a vocabulary
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cweiske I fear that without any specified objects, there could be dozens of incompatible micropub clients - because everyone uses different property names
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aaronpk the same is true for microformats though right?
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cweiske but micropub is not scoped so narrow as micropub is
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KevinMarks what does micropub do if the server doesn't understand the object?
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aaronpk mine creates it anyway
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aaronpk it would end up being rendered as an empty post if there aren't any properties it recognizes
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cweiske the spec should define how servers should react if they do not support the properties the client sends
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KevinMarks and possibly also the type?
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KevinMarks that is a little trickier, as h-entry is a fairly broad type
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aaronpk agreed, https://github.com/aaronpk/Micropub/issues/18
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KevinMarks there is also the slight oddness that you can just stuff mf2 in the content and pass it thourgh anyway
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aaronpk one major thing missing from micropub right now is the ability to retrieve the source of a post
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aaronpk that's what i'm experimenting with on my site right now
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aaronpk (also YAY that I can finally experiment with stuff on my site again!)
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Loqi giggles
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cweiske did you drop search?
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aaronpk on my site?
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cweiske yes
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aaronpk I couldn't find a good place for the search box in the new design, plus the google results were getting worse. Once I build an elasticsearch thing like you i'll add it back.
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cweiske k
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cweiske a magnifier glass next to the weather on top?
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aaronpk it was just redirecting to https://www.google.com/?q=site:aaronparecki.com anyway
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aaronpk top bar does seem like a good place for it. it's a bit small for an inline search box tho
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cweiske yes, I'd open a overlay text input field
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cweiske when clicking on the icon
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aaronpk that could work
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cweiske https://swiftype.com/ opens the search results in an overlay
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cweiske with an input field
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aaronpk oh funny
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cweiske swiftype is a hosted search provider
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aaronpk oh they have two versions. one is a compact view that drops down from the input box, but if you press "enter" then it opens a full modal window with longer results
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aaronpk so now I have the ability to query my micropub endpoint to return the raw values of specific properties: micropub?q=source&mp-url=http://aaronparecki.com/2015/12/07/8/&properties[]=category&properties[]=syndication
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cweiske what I also don't know is the format that is sent via micropub
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cweiske is it html? markdown? rst?
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aaronpk what i've been doing for that is making it match the microformats version
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aaronpk so "content":["hello world"] is text, but "content":[{"html":"<b>hello world</b>"}] is html
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cweiske hm
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aaronpk the fun part is all of the posts in my new site were imported by making micropub requests from my old site
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aaronpk so everything you see in my new site had to work in a micropub request
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kylewm Aaronpk, that's really interesting, I was wondering about something similar for silopub... Like it would be useful to support fetching tweets as mf JSON
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aaronpk that sounds like something slightly different
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aaronpk that sounds like what http://embed.ly/extract does, basically turning any web page into a consistent JSON document
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aaronpk i want that but returning mf2 or jf2
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aaronpk that's basically the thing blocking all my next projects
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aaronpk including showing full repost content on my site
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[kevinmarks] so heuristically parsing the site?
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[kevinmarks] or mapping existing silo markup into mf2?
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aaronpk both
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aaronpk basically i only ever want to have to interact with a single format, so I want something to map any URL into that format
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[kevinmarks] I bet I could get most of the way there by adding feed detection to unmung and calling the feed translation part
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[kevinmarks] then just add ogp and twitter card mapping…
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[kevinmarks] the heuristic approach would basically be patching mf2py's mf1 compatibility table for specific site patterns
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[kevinmarks] as that is already pretty well abstracted https://github.com/tommorris/mf2py/blob/master/mf2py/backcompat.py
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tommorris I'd want to keep OGP/twitter cards out of backcompat [kevinmarks]. Too radical shift of behaviour. But let people opt in.
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[kevinmarks] yes, I didn't mean as part of core mf2py
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aaronpk there are definitely plusses and minuses to using frameworks, heh
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aaronpk just noticed there's a new version of the CSS framework i'm using, so I updated, and they made some pretty drastic changes that I don't necessarily agree with, so now i have a bunch of CSS overrides to un-do those
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aaronpk the good news is they fixed the bug i was having
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lukasros Will there be an IndieWebCamp in the UK this year?
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lukasros Planning to visit both German camps this year and thinking about whether another one in Europe will be added to the list.
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petermolnar lukasros I've asked adactio ~2 weeks ago, no plans yet
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petermolnar there probably will be one
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lukasros petermolar: Thanks for the info!
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tantek that's an amazing /silo-quit! http://www.stephenfry.com/2016/02/15/peedinthepool/
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tantek !tell cweiske are you going to document the Woodwind counter-evidence as well? As well as the fact that originally RSS had this "description-as-summary only thus must retrieve permalinks" inefficiency, while both Atom/h-feed allow for full content?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell cweiske thus sites/consuming-tools *must* be inefficient with RSS, and can be equally (in)efficient with Atom/h-feed, which leaves Atom's markup-wordiness/excess-artificial-precision inefficiency (compared to h-feed).
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek nevermind the "less visible" DRY violation of feed files dooms to them just being *wrong* (nevermind efficiency)
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tantek congratulations Stephen Fry, first known silo-quit of 2016!
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tantek !tell adactio Can you confirm HWC Brighton 2016-02-24 location? https://indiewebcamp.com/next-hwc#Where
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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tantek !tell Jeena !tell adactio Can you confirm HWC Göteborg 2016-02-24 location? https://indiewebcamp.com/next-hwc#Where
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell aaronpk !tell adactio Can you confirm HWC Portland 2016-02-24 location? https://indiewebcamp.com/next-hwc#Where
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk haha copy paste
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Loqi aaronpk: tantek left you a message 2 minutes ago: !tell adactio Can you confirm HWC Portland 2016-02-24 location? https://indiewebcamp.com/next-hwc#Where http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-15/line/1455572411774
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tantek lolol
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Loqi [indieweb] "Homebrew Website Club PDX" http://calagator.org/events/1250469817
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sknebel Hasn't Stephen Fry quit twitter like 3 times now?
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tantek sknebel: he mentions that in his post, and why this time is different
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tantek I'm thinking of making my Twitter private for the same reason.
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tantek Twitter's "public" has become a cesspool to the point where I don't really feel like participating anymore (even in public tweets with hashtags)
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aaronpk when you switch from public to private, do all the existing followers stay following you, or do they get dropped?
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sknebel yeah, for me twitter is mostly reading and RTing interesting/funny stuff, not really "participation"
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KevinMarks they stay following you
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tantek they stay following. same behavior on IG.
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tantek what is a private account?
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Loqi A private account is a silo account where all posts on its profile are private, and only approved followers (or friends) can see posts https://indiewebcamp.com/private_account
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tantek what I don't understand is what happens to "likes" from people not following you when you flip from public to private
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tantek on either/both IG and Twitter
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KevinMarks presumbly historic ones are preseved
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KevinMarks you can switch back and forth on twitter
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KevinMarks I've seen people go private fro a while and come back
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KevinMarks hm https://github.com/ampproject/amphtml/blob/master/src/service/viewer-impl.js#L77
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KevinMarks so, it's a per account toggle, though it will flush your follow request queue without accepting the follows when you go public again https://support.twitter.com/articles/20169886
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tantek KevinMarks: what do you mean by "preserved"?
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KevinMarks the likes will still belong to the tweet, but they wont show in the favorites list of the liker afaik (unless you are viewing as a follower? ) unsure
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tantek ok right, the likes stay with the tweet/photo regardless of its account's private/public status, however the liker cannot see those tweets/photos, thus they don't show up in their "favorites list" / "Posts You've Liked" (what IG calls them)
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tantek question is, do they toggle in/out of view in such lists depending on the private/public state of the account that published them?
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[kevinmarks] I suppose we could experiment
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[kevinmarks] so I can see my likes to a private account
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[kevinmarks] but someone who doesn't follow them can't
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