#indiewebcamp 2016-02-22

2016-02-22 UTC
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[kevinmarks]
I think if you say seamless the CSS gets in
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[kevinmarks]
My iframe trick is at pageaspreview.herokuapp.com and also my hovercards do it 8f they can't find microformats
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KartikPrabhu
also preventing other sites from iframing your site is considered a good security practice
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[kevinmarks]
Which has the ironic side effect of them being better designed than mine in many cases
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Schnitz
how many of you people have actually digged into this? https://developers.facebook.com/docs/sharing/best-practices
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@INC_says
Check out our #facebook page, Independent Network Channel - INC #roku #rokuUK #indie #indiefilm #indieweb & more https://www.facebook.com/INCnetwork
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Check out our page, Independent Network Channel - INC & more" https://twitter.com/INC_says/status/701576582188535808
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KartikPrabhu
the INC_says stuff is always talking about some other "indieweb"
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Loqi
Got it! There are now 47 spammers blacklisted
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Schnitz
oh got it... styled POSSE, managed to get 4 silos iframed, javascripted, embedded, whatever into a normal web page http://www.schamonimusik.com/
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Schnitz
dizzy from reading silo developers pages
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aaronpk
gRegorLove++
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Loqi
gRegorLove has 51 karma
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Schnitz
styled PESOS of course, sorry
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gRegorLove
Hm, maybe. Sometimes following the logic in php-mf2 is tricky. Need to be careful not to break other tests.
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aaronpk
is making progress on turning p3k into something easily installable and configurable https://aaronparecki.com/uploads/Screen-Shot-2016-02-21-19-00-41.png
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gRegorLove
Ooh, nice
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miklb
aaronpk: I'd be interested in that. Not 100% sold on jekyll for my itches to scratch
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aaronpk
oh yeah?
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miklb
absolutely. What language is it written in?
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aaronpk
interested in helping out with it or just using it?
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aaronpk
it's PHP
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miklb
both.
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aaronpk
it's a Laravel project if you're familiar with that framework
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miklb
I'm not beyond reading about it.
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aaronpk
I wasn't either before I started :)
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miklb
but all my other blogging was PHP, so not unfamiliar language
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aaronpk
cool, that'd be fun
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aaronpk
I'm still working on a bit of the bootstrapping part, but then I'm going to put it on github
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miklb
I'll keep my eyes out. I have a VPS just sitting idle at the moment.
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miklb
it's already set up for nginx/php-fpm just need to turn php back on
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aaronpk
cool. yeah I run it under nginx, it has a couple of rewrite rules it needs but other than that it's straightforward
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miklb
what database are you using?
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aaronpk
mysql, and uses redis for caching and queuing
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miklb
I'd have to set those up, previous blog engine was DB agnostic, so was using sqlite
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aaronpk
in theory it could use mysql for the queue too, but i haven't tried that yet
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aaronpk
i think i'm also not using anything mysql specific but i would have to double check. but then it could use sqlite or postgres easily
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aaronpk
probably worth looking into that sooner than later
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: do you know about Google's image proxy?
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aaronpk
yeah. this is way more than a proxy
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KartikPrabhu
if it does more things it will be more complex
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aaronpk
it stores the avatars so that I never end up with broken image links when people change their images
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KartikPrabhu
the google proxy will also cache images for a while
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aaronpk
i definitely want more than a "while"
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KartikPrabhu
yeah that if different then :)
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aaronpk
if you look back at my posts from 2014 or even a lot of 2015, you'll see a whole bunch of missing images on the likes and comments
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KartikPrabhu
i have that problem too so I understand
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aaronpk
i actually launched this on webmention.io so now all the webmentions it sends have avatar URLs that won't die :)
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aaronpk
s/sends/receives
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Loqi
aaronpk meant to say: i actually launched this on webmention.io so now all the webmentions it receives have avatar URLs that won't die :)
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cjk101010
morning
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sknebel
morning :)
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gRegorLove
!tell aaronpk PR for php-mf2 issue 69 if you'd like to try it out: https://github.com/indieweb/php-mf2/pull/82
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@kevinmarks
Mark Zuckerberg announces the successful launch of the “Blue Pill” movement 💊 😎 [photo]
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@d0gada
@benwerd Please write more about withKnown. At least until #IndieWeb will appear in Twitter's hashtag auto-competition list.
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@jkphl
@LukasRosenstock Happy to have you on board for the #IndieWebCamp here in Nuremberg! \o/ :)
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Loqi
[indieweb] "IndieWeb and Hypocricy" http://starseerdrgn.dreamwidth.org/5777.html
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Loqi
[indieweb] "IndieWeb and Hypocricy" https://starseerdrgn.dreamwidth.org/5777.html
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: might want to reply to that ^
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michel_v
something to be said about obtaining someone's identity for everything more easily when they host it on their own server
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michel_v
not everyone can secure their server as good as Google or Facebook
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Phyks
hmm, do you know guys if #microformats is the place to ask about mf2 implementations?
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petermolnar
michel_v but the chances of locking yourself out of your server is less than google or fb blocking your for some previously nonexistent terms&conditions
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petermolnar
!tell snarfed thank you very much for brid.gy #619 fix
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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petermolnar
snarfed++
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Loqi
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@grantpotter
#indieweb #openweb "Give people more reasons to promote diversity on the web, not just in who we read, but who .. http://known.networkeffects.ca/2016/indieweb-openweb-give-people-more-reasons-to-promote-diversity-on
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Loqi
[indieweb] "#indieweb #openweb "Give people more reasons to promote diversity on the web, not just in who we read, but who controls what we read." http://scripting.com/liveblog/users/davewiner/2016/01/20/0900.html" by Grant Potter http://known.networkeffects.ca/2016/indieweb-openweb-give-people-more-reasons-to-promote-diversity-on
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[jgarber]
Morning, ‘campers!
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Loqi
[jgarber]: tantek left you a message 19 hours, 32 minutes ago: hey time for you to edit and upgrade HWC DC to "Regular Meetings" from "Up and coming" - https://indiewebcamp.com/Homebrew_Website_Club#Meetings ! :) http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-21/line/1456079812903
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sixtwothree.org
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[oliverpattison]
hey jgarber – added that second RSVP
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[jgarber]
!tell tantek Done!
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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[jgarber]
oliverpattison: Thanks!
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aaronpk
good morning
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Loqi
aaronpk: gRegorLove left you a message 8 hours, 40 minutes ago: PR for php-mf2 issue 69 if you'd like to try it out: https://github.com/indieweb/php-mf2/pull/82 http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-21/line/1456124790675
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@DropshareForMac
@aaronpk once the RFC is passed, we’ll gladly look into it.
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aaronparecki.com
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aaronparecki.com
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raucao
aaronpk: ownyourgram doesn't auto-post my pics. added a comment to https://github.com/aaronpk/OwnYourGram/issues/24 as i also get a 404 on the profile page. might be related
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@ReadersGazette
BLOG Indie Author Answers by Jim Heskett http://www.jimheskett.com/indieauth Get help writing your book #bookbloggers 83
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@jkphl
@opexxx Wenn ich mir deine Twitter-Bio so ansehe: Wäre nicht unser @indiewebcamp während der @nueww was für dich? http://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg
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aaronpk
raucao: yeah this has been happening for a while, I unfortunately have no explanation for what's wrong
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aaronpk
instagram just isn't sending the callback for some people
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aaronpk
and there's no pattern from what i can tell
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: privacy setings?
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aaronpk
and re-authorizing doesn't seem to help
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aaronpk
and the api still says the subscription is active
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KartikPrabhu
snowflakeapi--
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Loqi
snowflakeapi has -1 karma
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aaronpk
yeah, and i'm kind of wondering if they're going to drop that endpoint altogether as part of the upcoming changes
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raucao
oh, ok
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raucao
can you poll maybe?
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aaronpk
i can for now, but that actually adds a lot of complexity, and i'm not convinced i'm going to survive the api client slaughter in june
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raucao
ooh, what slaughter?
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tantek
what is the Instagram API problem?
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Loqi
tantek: [jgarber] left you a message 2 hours, 48 minutes ago: Done! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-22/line/1456150772005
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Instagram API problem" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Eq
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tantek
good morning #indiewebcamp!
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KartikPrabhu
wonders if this http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-22#t1456131763854 shows that the IndieAuth documentation needs to be improved
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aaronpk
KartikPrabhu: yeah and it depends on what your entry point is too
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aaronpk
it looks like that person found the "web sign-in" page first
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tantek
what is Hypocricy?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Hypocricy" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Er
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KartikPrabhu
typo man!
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aaronpk
raucao: there are too many users for me to do a trivial polling of everyone's accounts, so i'd have to implement something like checking frequent posters more often, and reduce the frequency for people who post less often. all of that sounds like a non-trivial amount of work and I don't want to go that route unless i'm reasonably sure this whole thing won't get shut down in june
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raucao
sure, i understand
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: on a positive note, you could write a long op-ed about why you shutdown and how you are very sad ;)
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: it was a reference to the article name
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: yeah, i am sure it is a typo in the title entry
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KartikPrabhu
the body has correct spelling iitc
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KartikPrabhu
s/iitc/iirc
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Loqi
KartikPrabhu meant to say: the body has correct spelling iirc
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raucao
OUCH -> "Ryan Barrett applied for basic permissions for Bridgy and oauth-dropins in Jan 2016. Both were rejected."
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raucao
i only remembered everyone being so happy with instagram for posting photos to their site, but i guess that was just a matter of time
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tantek
raucao: they still have a well designed UX, that's not in dispute
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raucao
if i can't get my own data out, then it is
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tantek
and they post-process videos into a cross-browser/device compatible .mp4
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raucao
that's part of ux for me
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tantek
raucao++ good point :)
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Loqi
raucao has 2 karma
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KartikPrabhu
depends on what you mean by "get own data out"
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KartikPrabhu
they have an export functionality?
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raucao
i mean constantly
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KartikPrabhu
PESOS is a much finer degree of control that they might not be comfortable with
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KartikPrabhu
content going out of their silo etc...
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tantek
raucao indeed. right now I manually do it one post at a time from IG. Not the ideal solution.
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raucao
i guess they won't shut down zapier, so maybe i'll try to use that somehow
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raucao
btw, would be awesome to have micropub as an action in zapier. did anyone ever ask?
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raucao
also, one could still scrape the website of course (ugh, the horror). at least given they don't block IPs from what looks like robot agents
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tantek
jgarber++ for launching HWC DC this year!
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Loqi
jgarber has 5 karma
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tantek
hey raucao - you should add yourself to /irc-people so you're linked and avatared in the logs!
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Loqi
[raucao] also, one could still scrape the website of course (ugh, the horror). at least given they don't block IPs from what looks like robot agents
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aaronpk
raucao: you can effectively do micropub in zapier and ifttt because you can use their http post methods
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raucao
i thought iftt doesn't have a post method?
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raucao
did i miss it?
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aaronpk
it's called the "maker" channel
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raucao
oh god
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raucao
i saw that in the results and it so doesn't look like a custom post integration
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raucao
with logo and all
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aaronpk
i'm using it to post my withings weight to my site!
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raucao
how do i get a token?
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raucao
or whatever i need to auth
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aaronpk
you'll need a micropub endpoint and a token endpoint
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raucao
i do have ownyourgram connected in theory. but is there an easy way to just copy its request so i don't have to read specs and jump through hoops for iftt integration?
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aaronpk
sure, the dashboard page in ownyourgram tells you pretty much what it's going to send
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aaronpk
tho I don't think it shows you the token it has for you
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tantek.com
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aaronpk
what's powering your site?
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raucao
known
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raucao
maybe i can find it in the db
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aaronpk
hm yeah. i don't know how Known keeps track of issued tokens, but kylewm would know
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raucao
lol, it's setting a cookie in responses to micropub requests :)
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aaronpk
lol um, that probably shouldn't happen
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Loqi
[mention] Chris Heuer, Tomas Puig, Christopher Wilson, Irene Gerritse, Sabrina Bruning, and Arun Ranganathan were invited to an event: "Homebrew Website Club Meetup" https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-02-24-homebrew-website-club and https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-22 https://webmention.io/notification/Z5DEOXawxYXCx3jxhYdQaw
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Loqi
[mention] Chris Heuer, Tomas Puig, Christopher Wilson, Irene Gerritse, Sabrina Bruning, and Arun Ranganathan were invited to https://webmention.io/notification/2D4LkkuMNCYe8T30IpcUlA
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tantek
interesting dupe
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tantek
of clusters!
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aaronpk
one links to the event, the other links to IRC logs
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aaronpk
notification text is hard
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loqi.me
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sebastian.kip.pe
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[kevinmarks]
Aaron, you can call the ownyourgram.com replacement "pantograph"
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tantek
graph might be too close to gram
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Loqi
[Kevin 魏夏凯] 😀
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aaronpk
it's sending backfeed to a totally wrong post
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snarfed
aaronpk: looks like bridgy found a syndication url from https://aaronparecki.com/2016/02/14/12/ to http://instagram.com/p/BByrIPtjcjl/ 2016-02-14 7:42 PM PST
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Loqi
snarfed: petermolnar left you a message 6 hours, 34 minutes ago: thank you very much for brid.gy #619 fix http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-22/line/1456142412576
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Loqi
[Aaron Parecki] TIL #alexa will respond to YouTube videos of #alexa almost exactly in sync. #amazonecho #internetofshit
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aaronpk
snarfed: yeah that's the correct one. but it's also finding another URL somehow
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snarfed
not sure yet
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aaronpk
the good news is my comment update handling is working, since it moved all the comments to the other post
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aaronpk
OH i figured it out... my home page is wrong
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snarfed
oh the synd url there?
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snarfed
glad you found it
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tantek
ok HWC cities, are we confirme for this week?
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tantek
where is HWC?
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tantek
when is HWC?
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snarfed
btw aaronpk re not polling in ownyourgram...it only has 80 users, right? that's not too many to poll. bridgy does it with ~50x that :P
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snarfed
you could poll as infrequently as every 4h or 1d or so. shouldn't be prohibitive
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tantek
oh snap
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tantek
(no chat)
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aaronpk
snarfed: 300+ users :(
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aaronpk
part of the problem is I want the photos to be imported more often than every 4 hours. the realtime aspect of the IG API is really nice
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Loqi
gives aaronpk the photos to be imported more often than every
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tantek
wow Twitter follower requests are depressing
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tantek
nearly all obvious spam or egg-icons
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tantek
alright, last call for Brighton (adactio), Göteborg, Los Angeles HWC this week for announcing to Moz!
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tantek
Jeena
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tantek
https://twitter.com/follower_requests needs a block button next to each account (beyond [Accept] [Decline] )
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tantek
nice. that was fast
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tantek
also re: https://twitter.com/follower_requests - would be useful to know if any of my followings/followers are already following them
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KevinMarks
that url only resolves on a private account
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aaronpk
oh hey dropshare liked my post about micropub
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aaronpk
so maybe more a misunderstanding of the w3c process than just a dismissal
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tantek
maybe they typo'd RFC / REC?
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tantek
(just realized those are only one letter / ASCII point off
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snarfed
aaronpk: ah. i guess "82 users" on http://ownyourgram.com/ is out of date
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aaronpk
checks
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snarfed
might still be nice to poll everyone occasionally as a backup...but i know you've put more thought into this than me
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snarfed
not a big deal
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aaronpk
aha. 82 people have actually connected instagram. 379 have attempted to sign in
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aaronpk
yeah i wonder if making it poll everyone once a day would be a good enough intermediate solution
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tantek
if anyone is curious about Mozilla weekly meetings, tune your browser to https://air.mozilla.com/
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tantek
about to start today's
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tantek
(the HWC announcement is near the beginning)
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tantek
aside: now that I have private silo accounts I'm feeling more compelled to actually write silo-specific bios so people have some idea what I post about before requesting to follow
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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tantek
darn it, .org
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tantek
goes to file a bugzilla redirect ticket
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aaronpk
ha that's one way to solve that
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gRegorLove
"Error loading player: No playable sources found" Is it already over?
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tantek
no it's still on
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tantek
talking about encryption
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gRegorLove
Huh. That's the message I get in Firefox 44.
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gRegorLove
breaks stuff for tantek for a change
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GWG
Afternoon
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GWG
Everybody Loves aaronpk.
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tantek
apparently Instagram has a 150 char bio limit
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tantek.com
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aaronpk
snarfed: when you blacklisted the URLs on my account, was that only when sending webmentions? cause I still see the URLs on the bridgy permalinks like https://brid-gy.appspot.com/post/twitter/aaronpk/701860100252643329
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Loqi
[superfeedr] A pretty cool use case for our #tracker accounts by @aaronpk buff.ly/1KA5kF0 #webmentions
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snarfed
aaronpk: yes, just for sending
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aaronpk
ah okay. i'm still running my twitter search script which uses the bridgy permalinks so some are still leaking through
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snarfed
oh also i need to blacklist indiewebcamp.com/micropub too evidently
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snarfed
since that's the redirect leaf
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aaronpk
hm no wait, my script only sends a webmention to my endpoint
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aaronpk
actually wait what... micropub.net doesn't redirect anymore
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snarfed
ah then good
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snarfed
oh right, bridgy resolves bio redirect urls at signup time, not on every mention
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snarfed
so you'll probably want to reauth with twitter
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snarfed
aww https://brid.gy/twitter/aaronpk looks so lonely now :P
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aaronpk
oh it's gone from the permalinks now too! yay!
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jonnybarnes
anyone heard of Google Jibe? http://jibe.google.com
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jonnybarnes
I can’t work out exactly what it is
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jonnybarnes
it seems to be an RCS client, but what is RCS?
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snarfed
aha, announced just now at mwc
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snarfed
looks like the successor to SMS, not an end user app
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aaronpk
wow crazy
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[kevinmarks]
Weird name, sounds like a platform for trolling
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snarfed
looks like just the friendly name for the RCS protocol, like Jabber for XMPP
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aaronpk
ah it was a company acquired by google
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tantek
Jibe / Jabber - not confusing at all ;)
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[kevinmarks]
Does Jibe not mean insult in America?
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[kevinmarks]
That reminds me, they're trying to replace "queet" with "quip"
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snarfed
honestly my first thought was sailing
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snarfed
https://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Ajibe "change course by swinging a fore-and-aft sail across a following wind."
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bear
"does that jibe with what your thinking"
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snarfed
yup that to
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aaronpk
i thought that was "jive"
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bear
jibe is more prevalent if you are aware of what the sailing version of jibe is
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bear
(trying to say... I think "does that jibe..." is said instead of "does that jive..." if you come from a place where "prepare to jibe" is used
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[kevinmarks]
Because you need to duck under the mast when jibing?
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[kevinmarks]
So it's like a pivot, but if you're not ready you get knocked out of the boat?
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tantek
sailing is "jib" pretty sure.
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snarfed
different words :P
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snarfed
https://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Ajib "a triangular staysail set forward of the forwardmost mast."
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bear
one of the phrases that gets my attention immediately ... "prepare to come about!"
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[zero-gravitas]
Could anyone point me to a webmention endpoint I could use for testing?
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aaronpk
[zero-gravitas]: there are some links here http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention-implementation-guide
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[zero-gravitas]
aaronpk: perfect, thanks
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snarfed
hey aaronpk, low priority feature request, consider filling out your author h-card on https://aaronparecki.com/articles and /notes? :P
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Loqi
[Aaron Parecki] Enabling Global Webmentions with Telegraph and Superfeedr
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snarfed
right now it only has url
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[aaronpk]
"Filling out"?
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[aaronpk]
There's a full h-card at the bottom, and authorship discovery finds it
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snarfed
ah ok. is this the last recent rule in that algorithm you mentioned?
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[aaronpk]
Oh actually you mean on the feed page not on the individual posts?
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[aaronpk]
Hm authorship discovery doesn't apply there since there is no entry in question. That's an own issue on XRay too
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[aaronpk]
It will likely be something similar to the existing algorithm
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snarfed
representative h-card?
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tantek
what's the problem being solved?
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[aaronpk]
I'm now case 7 on that
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[aaronpk]
Finding the author of an h-feed
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snarfed
end user use case: you're building a reader, and you're rendering feeds, and you want to show info about each feed, eg author name/url/picture
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snarfed
(this is where i back slowly away and defer to smarter people like you two, kylewm who'd implement it in mf2util, etc)
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tantek
perhaps start by documenting how authors are marked up on existing /h-feed#IndieWeb_Examples ?
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KevinMarks
in hatom we required authot at feed level http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom
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tantek
format "requirements" rarely (if ever?) work out well
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tantek
we only required it, because Atom required it. we ended up just propagating their mistake.
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tantek
this is a common mistake in formats (still)
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tantek
not everyone has learned that particular HTML5 lesson
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KevinMarks
right, but h-feed says p-author h-card
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tantek
but it doesn't say required
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tantek
all properties are always optional. if you do use it, here's how to.
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KevinMarks
so seeing if people do it is worthwhile
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tantek
hence my previous recommendation
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KevinMarks
atom specifcally said feed proeprties applied to entries, but entry coudl override
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tantek
which was also a bit of a mess
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tantek
so much special-casing
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Loqi
[tantek] perhaps start by documenting how authors are marked up on existing /h-feed#IndieWeb_Examples ?
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KevinMarks
it was up for me a few minutes ago, though a bit unresponsive
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snarfed
"Fatal error: Out of memory (allocated 27787264)"
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tantek
Fatal error: Out of memory (allocated 20709376) (tried to allocate 122880 bytes) in /var/www/html/wordpress/wp-content/plugins/defensio-anti-spam/defensio_pluggable.php on line 63
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tantek
sigh wordpress
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tantek
snarfed, could you retry microformats.org?
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snarfed
back up, thanks
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tantek
note to those creating supposedly self/auto-updating open source. DO NOT require the user to "Please enter your FTP credentials to proceed. If you do not remember your credentials, you should contact your web host."
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tantek
this is one of those things I dislike about WP
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aaronpk
WP doesn't do that if it has write permissions to update the files itself
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aaronpk
it's a reasonable fallback actually
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tantek
FTP is not secure
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aaronpk
presumably they mean SFTP?
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tantek
the whole "write permissions to update the files itself" ought to be something to be fixed
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aaronpk
it's a tough one though. either you give the software write permissions to itself, which then means attackers have a higher chance of getting their bad software onto the machine, or you make it take a manual step that the user has to do to update the software so that it can't be attacked that way
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tantek
interesting
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snarfed
^ that
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snarfed
...and in the latter case, you're less secure because you get patches late or never
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snarfed
in practice, many security people feel like auto update is the net win on that tradeoff
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snarfed
(weasel wording, i know, but still)
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aaronpk
it's true. ever since wordpress has streamlined the update process i've managed to keep it up to date way better
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snarfed
ie, to oversimplify, if it's a choice between preventing privelege escalation and preventing them getting in at all, prefer the latter
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aaronpk
now it's basically "hey there's an update! [click] ... done"
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snarfed
and now not even click :P
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aaronpk
wait what
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snarfed
auto update! been around in WP for a while
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snarfed
soon for plugins too
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snarfed
difficult but important
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aaronpk
i don't remember seeing that on mine
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aaronpk
oh wow, it did update itself
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snarfed
may still be opt in for existing installations
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gRegorLove
Pretty sure WP 3.7+ has auto core update, unless you specifically set WP_AUTO_UPDATE_CORE to false, or 'minor'
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gRegorLove
'minor' is the default actually, so point-releases and security fixes
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[kylewm]
So if the e.g. www-data group has write permissions to the WordPress directory, it'll overwrite its own files without FTP?
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aaronpk
yeah, has been like that for a long time
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gRegorLove
Jibe acquired by Google. Should I add it to site-deaths ~2017? :)
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