#indiewebcamp 2016-03-08

2016-03-08 UTC
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tantek
fascinating, I just got a comment on an "interested" RSVP in FB
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tantek
I didn't know that was possible
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tantek
It's a public even so I wonder if the RSVP permalink is public also
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tantek
s/even/event
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Loqi
tantek meant to say: It's a public event so I wonder if the RSVP permalink is public also
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Emma
hello
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tantek
hello Emma!
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Emma
haha hi!!
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Emma
I was going to message you directly and ask you my question Tantek but didnt want to be annoying LOL
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Emma
now i can ask here and not feel too bad about it
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tantek
better yet here then we all learn :)
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Emma
ah yes!
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Emma
indeed
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tantek
good evening ben_thatmustbeme
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Emma
I am trying to change the formatting of text on my page in the main.CSS file and it says, "you must be on a branch to make or propose changes"
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Emma
and i think i am on a "branch"
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Emma
but don't actually know what that means
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tantek
what's the URL at the top?
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KartikPrabhu
git-jargon--
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Loqi
git-jargon has -1 karma
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Emma
emmahodge.github.io/stylesheets/main.css
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tantek
that *is* odd, I mean, it's your own file so that should "just work" (and it should do all the branching nonsense behind the scenes)
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tantek
oh wait you may have to be on the github.com/emmahodge URL
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tantek
instead of the emmahodge.github.io URL
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tantek
their UI should redirect you when you try to edit but apparently it doesn
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tantek
s/doesn/doesn't
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Loqi
tantek meant to say: their UI should redirect you when you try to edit but apparently it doesn't
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Emma
oh i think it is working now
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Emma
thank you!
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tantek
great!
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miklb
voxpelli: will your micropub/Jekyll/GHpages work on a self hosted Jekyll site?
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Mozilla Project: 2016-03-07" by Jesper Kristensen http://blog.mozilla.org/meeting-notes/archives/2344
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Meeting Notes: Mozilla Project: 2016-03-07" by Jesper Kristensen https://blog.mozilla.org/meeting-notes/archives/2344
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tantek
http vs https dupe - interesting
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tantek
aaronpk: ^^^ not sure if it can be helped, but maybe?
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gRegorLove
I'm trying to set up indie-config. navigator.registerProtocolHandler isn't doing anything in Chrome
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gRegorLove
No prompt to add the application
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tantek
any errors in the console?
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tantek
odd. maybe check with voxpelli to see if he has it working in Chrome?
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Emma
hello!
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Emma
hello!
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Emma
when i post it on facebook, do you suggest just putting a link to my website at the end of the post?
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tantek
welcome back!
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tantek
yes - I think most of us do that, with varying text
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Emma
it = link to my blog
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tantek
there's a few different ways to do it
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tantek
the general practice of doing that is as part of POSSE - Publish on your Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere https://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE
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Emma
oh fantastic
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Emma
thank you!
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Emma
this page is very helpful
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tantek
great!
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tantek
there's also a page specifically on POSSEing to Facebook: https://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE_to_Facebook
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Emma
sweet, thank you
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Emma
very helpful! appreciate it
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gRegorLove
Hah. Gees. It was working. Chrome just shows a tiny icon in the URL bar on the right that when you hover indicates "This page wants to install a service handler"
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gRegorLove
Nowhere near as obvious as the screenshot on the wiki. I'll add this.
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gregorlove.com
edited /indie-config (+299) "/* Turn it on */ Chrome note+screenshot"
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emma2
hello again!
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GWG
Hello, emma2
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emma2
does anyone know how to get the link to a photo from twitter that you can link to your webpage?
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GWG
Not off the top of my head, alas.
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GWG
Not much of a Twitter user
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emma2
ok, thanks!
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gRegorLove
Looks like the pic.twitter.com link is in an a href with class class="twitter-timeline-link u-hidden" data-pre-embedded="true", if you wanted to extract that emma2
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gRegorLove
the href is the t.co link, the link text is the pic.twitter.com URL
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gRegorLove
I don't see another easy way via the HTML. The API probably had something
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tantek
SMH at u-hidden
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voxpelli
miklb: as long as the Jekyll site uses a GitHub repo the full flow will work
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voxpelli
Otherwise one needs to switch out one of the three parts to something else
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miklb
voxpelli: OK. I'll keep my setup as is for now, and keep an eye out for your post. Thanks!
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@mothersele
@indiewebcamp @evucan in talk I used gentrification as metaphor for changes in Drupal community.
(twitter.com/_/status/707119818143633408)
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petermolnar
http://www.nextscripts.com/api/instagram-automated-posting/ - this looks pretty much they somehow cracked the instagram API for posting
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petermolnar
ah. it goes through their paid API, so it's not something we can use :/
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petermolnar
spam, I believe
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Loqi
[indieweb] "
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cweiske
but only the first paragraphs of the article
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Loqi
[indieweb] "
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petermolnar
do you want to talk about it, Loqi?
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Loqi
woot!
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GWG
Good morning all
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@jkphl
#DE Gleich im Hörsal H13: IndieWeb — Deine Daten. Dein Netz.#wke2016 #indieweb https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/707216848761135108/photo/1
(twitter.com/_/status/707216848761135108)
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@webrocker
RT @jkphl #DE Gleich im Hörsal H13: IndieWeb — Deine Daten. Dein Netz.#wke2016 #indieweb https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/707216848761135108/photo/1
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@jkphl
Kicking of my #wke2016 talk "IndieWeb — Deine Daten. Dein Netz." The slides are available at https://jkphl.is/slides/wke2016/ https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/707219745687343105/photo/1
(twitter.com/_/status/707219745687343105)
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@aviationsteve
Und los geht's... #IndieWeb #wke2016
(twitter.com/_/status/707219809101029376)
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@wke
Vorletzter Vortrag auf dem #wke2016 "IndieWeb - Deine Daten. Dein Netz." Wir sind sehr gespannt @jkphl https://twitter.com/wke/status/707219834958905349/photo/1
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tantek.com
edited /gentrification_of_the_web (+917) "move hacker hacked to a separate "Related" section, not about "gentrification of the web" in particular, added opinion countering that of the article"
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@aviationsteve
Erster Schritt zum #IndieWeb: Eigene Domain - IndieAuth-tauglich. #wke2016
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tantek.com
edited /gentrification_of_the_web (+27) "/* hacker ethos */"
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tantek
petermolnar: since you added to "hacker hacked", I noted a different opinion than the article: https://indiewebcamp.com/gentrification_of_the_web#hacker_ethos
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tantek.com
edited /hacker_images (+45) "/* See Also */ hacker ethos"
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tantek.com
edited /gentrification_of_the_web (+309) "note hacker images as a deliberate media hack in and of themselves"
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@aviationsteve
Level 1 ist leicht, ab L 2 wird es spannend, da eigene Inhalte auch wieder in soziale Netzwerke geteilt werden können... #IndieWeb #wke2016
(twitter.com/_/status/707226716951998464)
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petermolnar
tantek no, it wasn't me, I just added one more quote from there I believed to be important
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tantek
petermolnar: indeed that additional quote is indicative of that article. I just think it's a bad/misguided article (reasons in wiki page()
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petermolnar
I'll challenge that opinion: I do share the essay's view. Mainstream culture is accepting, for example, their car as something not to be hacked, their phones not to be rooted, etc. No, that kind of hacker, the modifier one, is being swallowed and forgotten; however, as it's mentioned in there as well, society is facing towards solutionism more and more, which can be seen as an aspect of hacking.
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@aviationsteve
IndieWeb-Treffen 16/17. April im Zuge der @nueww !
(twitter.com/_/status/707228266495610880)
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tantek
solutionism is not anti-hacker per se though, it is orthogonal
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tantek
rather, in the article it's presented as a false dichotomy
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@jkphl
Find the slides of my #wke2016 talk "IndieWeb — Deine Daten. Dein Netz" at https://jkphl.is/slides/wke2016/ (optimized for 4:3 aspect)
(twitter.com/_/status/707229418192637952)
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petermolnar
the states that hackers and the hacking culture is losing it's edge; reading things like http://www.textfiles.com/magazines/LOD/ I tend to agree, but again, you are also right. The essay is not saying that 'hacking' isn't becoming widespread at all, it's observing that it's becoming shallow and restrained
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petermolnar
it states, not the, sorry
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@Flocke
RT @jkphl Find the slides of my #wke2016 talk "IndieWeb — Deine Daten. Dein Netz" at https://jkphl.is/slides/wke2016/ (optimized for 4:3 aspect)
(twitter.com/_/status/707230052476461057)
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petermolnar
although the more I think if it, it may not really be true, since I do find unbelievable hacks, but they are rare; they were always rare, but a while ago there wasn't many (any?) not incredible find around
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tantek
they have always been rare, and will continue to be rare, and that is ok
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petermolnar
indeed; but in a much higher noise level it's harder to spot
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tantek
that itself is a deliberate cloaking hack ;)
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tantek
there will always be a core like that. what's new is how far the more "diluted" (or "shallow" if you prefer) hacks have spread
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tantek
as you say, higher noise level
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petermolnar
there is one more aspect I'd like to point out: the other link that was added for drupal, that, referring to this one, compares 'gentrification' to 'going corporate' which I think is a fairly good analogy
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tantek
there's a difference between "going corporate" (loss of identity) and "spreading to corporate" (colonization)
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tantek
and that's often overlooked in these analyses
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petermolnar
this is a third I think: the moving away from the move fast-fail fast approach toward the let's make it stable first approach
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tantek
I prefer sustainable to stable
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petermolnar
that is kind of the same in my terminology ( every person has their own dictionary, so each conversation should start with the exchange of dictionaries, which is obviously no possible, but at least it's possible to correct/align later :) )
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tantek
stable de-emphasizes change, that's the problem
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tantek
whereas sustainable implies there is still continuous change
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petermolnar
not in my read; it just keeps backward compatibility and fallback for a reasonable time ( where reasonable time depends on a lot of variables )
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petermolnar
( this was for stable )
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petermolnar
but since English is not my first language I may not see the strength of the words clear/well enough
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@textformer
RT @jkphl Find the slides of my #wke2016 talk "IndieWeb — Deine Daten. Dein Netz" at https://jkphl.is/slides/wke2016/ (optimized for 4:3 aspect)
(twitter.com/_/status/707232999537057792)
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tantek
I know what you mean as stable meaning dependable, relatively free of bugs. like a stable software release. but it's meaning in technology, especially standards, implies unchanging, which tends be impede progress.
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tantek
"stability" has been used to argue against bug fixes for example.
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petermolnar
that is a completely wrong argument
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petermolnar
but I've had it as well, so I understand
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tantek
but that is part of the context that "stability" is in, we cannot avoid it
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petermolnar
and I accept sustainable would be a more suitable word
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petermolnar
by the way, one more thing from that lament: it states that many "oldschool" hacker tried to understand how things work and built something with/on top of them, whereas the NIH is strong in the current hacker culture; but I don't know if this has any truth in it or not
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tantek
NIH is strong in both
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petermolnar
what is NIH?
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Loqi
NIH is Not Invented Here is an anti-pattern and a frequent response to standards, especially in big companies http://indiewebcamp.com/NIH
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tantek
petermolnar: the book referenced in the article is a good read for more on "oldschool" hacker - Steven Levy's "Hackers"
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tantek
(sigh /index.php/ - really?)
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tantek
regarding understanding how things work, sense of curiosity, disassembling things etc.
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petermolnar
hey, it's stable, so why change it? :D
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petermolnar
( for the index.php )
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petermolnar
thanks, I'll put that on my list
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tantek
it's a bit out of date now, but good for historical context
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rhiaro
is taking food requests for attendees of IWC MIT next week, will order catering soonish probably
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Loqi
rhiaro: tantek left you a message 19 hours, 41 minutes ago: Looks like IWC MIT needs some wikifying love (e.g. /2016/MIT/Schedule is missing, other pages too) Can you help with https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/MIT/Planning#To_Do ? Thanks! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-03-07/line/1457383068824
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rhiaro
So anyone who is coming, ping with preferences
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tantek
Happy with the usual vegetarian options!
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tantek
the DIY Chipotle trays of ingredients seem to work well
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rhiaro
chipotle is expensive though, that depends on budget
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kylewm
also, the whole ecoli thing
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tantek
kylewm: wasn't that a meat problem?
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kylewm
no clue, they seemed to have several systemic problems
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tantek
we've done the chipotle trays for several IWC MIT/Cambridge and have had no problems. could be a location-specific thing too
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kylewm
oh right, the boston chipotle was norovirus, not e coli :P
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KevinMarks
petermolnar, tantek is antifragility a useful word here?
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tantek
KevinMarks: how about antinegative framing? :P
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KevinMarks
well, Taleb talks about that and his point is that resilience isn't strong enough as it doesn't capture the 'gets stronger with adversity' aspect
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tantek
Taleb's methodology itself is flawed, as both "isn't strong enough" and "doesn't capture" are flawed in terms of methods for growing resilience
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tantek
he's a victim of negative reasoning himself
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tantek
does Taleb have a website? build anything?
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tantek
speaking of, I need to figure out what to change/add to my site for tomorrow's HWC
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tantek
hmm, smells Gladwellish
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tantek
If you see frad and don't shout fraud, maybe you're too busy building and creating positive things instead?
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tantek
s/frad/fraud
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Loqi
tantek meant to say: If you see fraud and don't shout fraud, maybe you're too busy building and creating positive things instead?
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tantek
KevinMarks: that page is dripping with negative framing, it needs a rewrite
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@grantpotter
@sandstormio is on a mission to make #opensource & #indieweb applications viable as an ecosystem https://sandstorm.io/about #OpenEducationWk
(twitter.com/_/status/707246568106237952)
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Loqi
[indieweb] "
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@grantpotter
@sandstormio on a mission to make #opensource & #indieweb applications viable as an ecosystem https://sandstorm.io/about #OpenEducationWk
(twitter.com/_/status/707247023913881601)
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Loqi
[indieweb] "
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snarfed
hey aaronpk are you still seeing many timeouts from bridgy?
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snarfed
just curious
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sonicrocketman
Hey all I've got a blog post here you might enjoy: A Vision of the Open Web https://brianschrader.com/archive/a-vision-of-the-open-web/
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petermolnar
http://wptavern.com/automattic-releases-wordpress-plugin-for-facebooks-instant-articles - I'm not entirely happy about Automattic's approach to immediate adoptation of AMP and FIA
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voxpelli
I'm not sure what I think of AMP and FIA – I can see Pros and Cons with both :/
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[shaners]
Good morning, Loqi.
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Loqi
yeah!
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aaronpk
kylewm: does woodwind have an RSVP button along with like/reply/etc?
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kylewm
No not yet
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aaronpk
do you perchance have time to make that this week? :D
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KevinMarks
getting syndication buttons converged would be good too
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kylewm
Sure aaronpk
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kylewm
Kevinmarks, what do you mean?
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tantek
what is a syndication button?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "syndication button" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Fw
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aaronpk
i have some events at http://aaronparecki.com/events you can test with!
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tantek
and how is that a user feature at all?
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kylewm
(I think syndication buttons already work well)
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tantek
kylewm: do you want UI suggestions for RSVP?
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aaronpk
this is p3k's editing interface with syndication buttons right now. i would like to improve the buttons with an icon and friendly name, but it's not a high priority for me https://aaronparecki.com/uploads/Screen-Shot-2016-03-08-11-01-14.png
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kylewm
Sure!
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tantek
teetering on the edge of another rabbithole
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KevinMarks
well, woodwind and known don't seem to agree on how to display them
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ben_thatmustbeme
feels we should send out some sort of email reminding people about IWC
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Loqi
ben_thatmustbeme: tantek left you a message 22 hours, 33 minutes ago: Looks like IWC MIT needs some wikifying love (e.g. /2016/MIT/Schedule is missing, other pages too) Can you help with https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/MIT/Planning#To_Do ? Thanks! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-03-07/line/1457383068824
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Loqi
[Kevin Marks] woodwind showing syndication buttons from known
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Loqi
[indieweb] "#indieweb Thanks @tinokremer. I was just noodling around with one @kylewmahan" by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/indieweb-thanks-tinokremer-i-was-just-noodling-around-with-one
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: you can with the eventbrite right?
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tantek
(send email)
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: also - definitely help with https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/MIT/Planning#To_Do
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ben_thatmustbeme
but we need to draft it
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KevinMarks
looks like the formats haven't quite converged
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ben_thatmustbeme
okay, gotta run, i'll be back
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kylewm
Kevinmarks: try reauthorizing micropub in woodwind?
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KevinMarks
do I have to deauth?
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KevinMarks
'cos that didn't change it
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KevinMarks
<div class="syndication-toggle"> <input id="sc-606283-1" type="checkbox" name="syndicate-to[]" value="twitter::kevinmarks"> <label for="sc-606283-1"><img src="//www.google.com/s2/favicons?domain=twitter%3A%3Akevinmarks" alt="twitter::kevinmarks">&nbsp;:kevinmarks</label> </div>
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tantek.com
edited /rsvp (+1445) "/* Brainstorming */ RSVP button UI, e.g. for readers"
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kylewm
Kevinmarks, Huh, I'll have to take a look when I get home!
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tantek
wonders if Woodwind supports micropub update and delete
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tantek
just found a use-case for readers to support micropub update and delete as it were. RSVP.
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tantek
what is related
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "related" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Fx
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tantek
related is a contextual feature of posts that shows you similar things you may be interested, like for [[article]]s, [[related reading]], and for [[event]]s, [[related events]], possibly using a [[recommendation engine]].
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loqi.me
created /related (+248) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-03-08/line/1457465971123 and dfn added by tantek"
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tantek.com
edited /related (+65) "fix dfn, see also"
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tantek
what are related events
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "related events" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Fy
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tantek
related events is a section on an [[event]] permalink page that shows mini versions of events related to that event, often with minimal UI to [[RSVP]].
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loqi.me
created /related_events (+178) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-03-08/line/1457466225602 and dfn added by tantek"
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Congratulations and good luck. Hopefully you won't be as addicted to the #indieweb as some of us have become!" by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/congratulations-and-good-luck-hopefully-you-wont-be-as-addicted
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@krisshaffer
@bennettscience @katemath I replaced my blog comments with @hypothes_is (and webmentions). So far, no annotators yet. :(
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tantek.com
edited /related_events (+657) "silo examples, Facebook example with UI flow"
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tantek
somebody send that guy a webmention ^^^
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gRegorLove
Indieweb welcome wagon
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tantek.com
edited /related_events (+402) "why, how, indieweb examples"
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gRegorLove
Oh. Kris is actually saying "no annotators via hypothes_is" yet. There's plenty of webmentions showing up already. http://kris.shaffermusic.com//2015/12/battlestar-galactica/##Webmentions
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gRegorLove
What is Hypothes.is?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Hypothes.is" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Fz
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tantek
interesting
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gRegorLove
https://hypothes.is/principles/ #10 "Think long term. Infrastructure for 100 years. Or longer?"
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tantek
good principle. but depending on a centralized service isn't.
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tantek
gRegorLove: looks like his webmentions are all bridgy backfeed
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tantek
send him a real one :)
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gRegorLove
I'm not sure what it is, actually, whether it's centralized or not.
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gRegorLove
Non-profit, based on the W3C Web Annotation Working Group apparently.
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gRegorLove
What is annotation?
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Loqi
Annotations are comments (including marginalia), highlights or any other interactions that add to (part of) a post, typically added by individuals other than the author https://indiewebcamp.com/annotation
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KartikPrabhu
doesn't tilgovi run it?
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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tantek
gRegorLove: hypothes.is was a company (not a non-profit) last time I checked. yes they participate in the W3C Web Annotation WG. I think there are some indieweb folks that used to work for them.
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gRegorLove
Their /about says non-profit
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tantek
huh, I wonder when that changed
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gRegorLove
sees "RDF" in the Open Annotations spec and backs away
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tantek
they predate the W3C WG on that too, been around for a number of years
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tantek
they helped start the annotation WG
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gRegorLove
June 2013 apparently. The link on the about is a PDF of the letter from the IRS, haha
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tantek
funny
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gRegorLove
But it sounds centralized, yes. Download our extension, create an account.
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rhiaro
hypothesis is centralised
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rhiaro
last I heard from bigbluehat they were staying that way I think
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miklb
This would be kinda cool to indiewebify https://github.com/jekyll/jekyll-mentions
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voxpelli
miklb: maybe one could hook a http://indiewebcamp.com/nickname-cache into something like that?
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voxpelli
I myself think I would opt to hook that @mention-to-link resolver in a Micropub client instead of in a Jekyll plugin though, trying to keep my Jekyll vanilla
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gRegorLove
snarfed: Is it possible (and not too difficult) to have granary not convert new lines to <br> when the content is HTML?
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miklb
voxpelli: agreed, just liked the base idea. Looking forward to leveraging micropub ;-)
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gRegorLove
What is KnownReactions?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "KnownReactions" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10G0
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miklb
voxpelli: my goal is next week to follow along IWC MIT and build a generic Jekyll theme that is indieweb friendly. Anything I could include that would make it easier to use with your micropub workflow when it is ready?
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voxpelli
miklb: there indeed is
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Loqi
[indieweb] "#indieweb Installed great plugins into my @withknown site: Recipes, Reviews, Reactions, Video via http://docs.withknown.com/en/latest/plugins/community/ h/t @tinokremer" by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/indieweb-installed-great-plugins-into-my-withknown-site-recipes-reviews
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@ChrisAldrich
#indieweb Installed great plugins into my @withknown site: Recipes, Reviews, Reactions, Video via http://docs.withknown.com/en/latest/plugins/community/ h/t @tinokremer
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voxpelli
I've been thinking of maybe extracting some of those include-templates as a separate git-repo that one could include as a submodule into ones own theme to get a basic presentation of the micropub posts
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voxpelli
but as long as you can render a post like the one I linked to it should fit with my Micropub endpoint without any alterations
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miklb
cool. I'll look closer at what you have over the weekend.
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voxpelli
the actual formatting of the files is done in https://github.com/voxpelli/node-format-microformat, which translates the Micropiub data into the data needed when pushing to a repo
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voxpelli
I can see if I maybe can find some time to write something up before IWC MIT
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miklb
even if you put together some cliff notes,I might be able to flesh it out as I try to implement it.
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miklb
would be neat to have a ready-made indie Jekyll instance that a beginner could basically clone and edit the config for an h-card and be ready to go.
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voxpelli
if nothing else I could add you to my private in-progress git repo at the end of the week if I haven't had time to write something up
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miklb
my github account is same as my IRC nick
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voxpelli
indeed, and I also think one can maybe make the h-card configurable through the config file
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miklb
yes, that's my goal.
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voxpelli
miklb: ping me if I forget, in the midst of launching two sites at the moment
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miklb
voxpelli: will do
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voxpelli
at the moment as in during the upcoming weeks :)
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snarfed
gRegorLove: that's not configurable right now, sorry
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snarfed
feel free to file an issue!
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miklb
sure. I read you said you'd be busy until probably next month
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voxpelli
eager to get back to indiewebbing :)
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miklb
voxpelli: I need to tighten up my workflow a bit, but am excited about it myself.
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Liked Tino Kremer's post on tinokremer.nl: 235 Days on the Indieweb; something changed" by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/liked-tino-kremers-post-on-tinokremernl-235-days-on-the
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kylewm
KevinMarks: it seems to be a problem with hosted Known -- the "syndicate-to-expanded" property is empty when i query your endpoint (or mine on kylewm.withknown.com)
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kylewm
filed an issue
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kylewm
tantek: wow thank you for the UI design notes. that is definitely more than I can do right now (Woodwind doesn't have a memory of posts its made in the past) but something to aim for
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kylewm
kind of seems like we need a fourth state. where "not going" can mean "can't make it this time" or "not interested in this type of event"
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Liked Kyle Mahan's post: I was not expecting to have a long conversation with my therapist today about why it's important to me to have my own website #indieweb" by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/liked-kyle-mahans-post-i-was-not-expecting-to-have
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Loqi
[indieweb] "@jonworth the power of #indieweb is about focusing on your site without mandatory rejection of (ie: walled gardens, corporate networks, Medium or anywhere else where" by Rick Mendes https://www.rmendes.net/2016/jonworth-the-power-of-indieweb-is-about-focusing-on-your
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Loqi
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tantek
kylewm: no problem - that's from analyzing some of what FB provides for event UI (note tangential research on /related_events ) and then I tried to minimize to something simpler.
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tantek
but I suppose I can try something *even* simpler with no memory of posts
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tantek
hmm - perhaps Woodwind doesn't need memory of RSVP posts, if it sees them when it next gets the user's own updates!
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KevinMarks
you don't normally subscribe to yourself though
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tantek
you do today
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tantek
in integrated silo UIs
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tantek
also today you don't normally "subscribe", you follow
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tantek.com
edited /rsvp (+508) "/* RSVP buttons */ even more minimal interaction (no memory needed), reframed rest as RSVP buttons with updates"
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tantek
!tell kylewm even more minimal RSVP button UI (no memory/state needed) https://indiewebcamp.com/rsvp#RSVP_Interested_Going
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek
even just a one-click RSVP that shows the static result like that would be very useful (and demo well too)
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gRegorLove
I was thinking of setting up a "follow" page with links to my feeds, subtome button, etc. instead of a /subscribe page.
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tantek
why do you need a whole page for follow?
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tantek
shouldn't it ideally be just one button?
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gRegorLove
I have multiple feeds
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Configuring the #IndieWeb RSS Reader Woodwind for @WithKnown" by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/configuring-the-indieweb-rss-reader-woodwind-for-withknown
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Loqi
[mention] http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/configuring-the-indieweb-rss-reader-woodwind-for-withknown commented 'Configuring the #IndieWeb RSS Reader Woodwind for @WithKnown ...' on a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/Micropub
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Loqi
[mention] http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/configuring-the-indieweb-rss-reader-woodwind-for-withknown commented 'Configuring the #IndieWeb RSS Reader Woodwind for @WithKnown ...' on a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/indie-config
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gRegorLove
I may add email subscription as an option, too
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tantek
gRegorLove: I think there's an artificial split going on there
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tantek
that is, I don't think it makes sense to have a *separate* page for an action on pages elsewhere on your site
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gRegorLove
Sure, because I don't have one unified feed of everything currently.
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tantek
your main updates should have a way to follow them
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tantek
if you have other pages with different sets of updates, they should have inline UI on them to follow them etc.
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tantek
the point is to start with navigation among visible HTML to those pages of updates
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tantek
and then on each one have its own follow UI/button
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gRegorLove
True. I was thinking of the distinction between my Atom feeds and h-feeds, which is what led me to think about one page, rather than 2 buttons on each page.
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tantek
no need for anything visible for Atom/legacy feeds, as anyone who cares about them already uses a legacy reader that can do link rel=alternate discovery on the page
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tantek
so they can just the URL of the page itself
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tantek.com
edited /Webmention (+270) "/* Publishing Software */ more CMSs, separate OSS vs others"
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