#indiewebcamp 2016-03-08

2016-03-08 UTC
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tantek fascinating, I just got a comment on an "interested" RSVP in FB
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tantek I didn't know that was possible
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tantek It's a public even so I wonder if the RSVP permalink is public also
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tantek s/even/event
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Loqi tantek meant to say: It's a public event so I wonder if the RSVP permalink is public also
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Emma hello
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tantek hello Emma!
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Emma haha hi!!
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tantek :D
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Emma I was going to message you directly and ask you my question Tantek but didnt want to be annoying LOL
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Emma now i can ask here and not feel too bad about it
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tantek better yet here then we all learn :)
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Emma ah yes!
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Emma indeed
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tantek good evening ben_thatmustbeme
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Emma I am trying to change the formatting of text on my page in the main.CSS file and it says, "you must be on a branch to make or propose changes"
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Emma and i think i am on a "branch"
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Emma but don't actually know what that means
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tantek what's the URL at the top?
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KartikPrabhu git-jargon--
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Loqi git-jargon has -1 karma
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Emma emmahodge.github.io/stylesheets/main.css
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tantek that *is* odd, I mean, it's your own file so that should "just work" (and it should do all the branching nonsense behind the scenes)
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tantek oh wait you may have to be on the github.com/emmahodge URL
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tantek instead of the emmahodge.github.io URL
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tantek their UI should redirect you when you try to edit but apparently it doesn
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tantek s/doesn/doesn't
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Loqi tantek meant to say: their UI should redirect you when you try to edit but apparently it doesn't
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Emma oh i think it is working now
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Emma thank you!
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tantek great!
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miklb voxpelli: will your micropub/Jekyll/GHpages work on a self hosted Jekyll site?
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Loqi [indieweb] "Mozilla Project: 2016-03-07" by Jesper Kristensen http://blog.mozilla.org/meeting-notes/archives/2344
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Loqi [indieweb] "Meeting Notes: Mozilla Project: 2016-03-07" by Jesper Kristensen https://blog.mozilla.org/meeting-notes/archives/2344
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tantek http vs https dupe - interesting
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tantek aaronpk: ^^^ not sure if it can be helped, but maybe?
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gRegorLove I'm trying to set up indie-config. navigator.registerProtocolHandler isn't doing anything in Chrome
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gRegorLove No prompt to add the application
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tantek any errors in the console?
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gRegorLove Nope
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tantek odd. maybe check with voxpelli to see if he has it working in Chrome?
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Emma hello!
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Emma hello!
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Emma when i post it on facebook, do you suggest just putting a link to my website at the end of the post?
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tantek welcome back!
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tantek yes - I think most of us do that, with varying text
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Emma it = link to my blog
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tantek there's a few different ways to do it
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tantek the general practice of doing that is as part of POSSE - Publish on your Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere https://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE
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Emma oh fantastic
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Emma thank you!
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Emma this page is very helpful
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tantek great!
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tantek there's also a page specifically on POSSEing to Facebook: https://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE_to_Facebook
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Emma sweet, thank you
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Emma very helpful! appreciate it
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gRegorLove Hah. Gees. It was working. Chrome just shows a tiny icon in the URL bar on the right that when you hover indicates "This page wants to install a service handler"
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gRegorLove Nowhere near as obvious as the screenshot on the wiki. I'll add this.
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gregorlove.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:Chrome-prompt-protocol-handler-2016-03-07.png]]""
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gregorlove.com edited /indie-config (+299) "/* Turn it on */ Chrome note+screenshot" (view diff)
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emma2 hello again!
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GWG Hello, emma2
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emma2 does anyone know how to get the link to a photo from twitter that you can link to your webpage?
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GWG Not off the top of my head, alas.
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GWG Not much of a Twitter user
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emma2 ok, thanks!
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gRegorLove Looks like the pic.twitter.com link is in an a href with class class="twitter-timeline-link u-hidden" data-pre-embedded="true", if you wanted to extract that emma2
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gRegorLove the href is the t.co link, the link text is the pic.twitter.com URL
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gRegorLove I don't see another easy way via the HTML. The API probably had something
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tantek SMH at u-hidden
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voxpelli miklb: as long as the Jekyll site uses a GitHub repo the full flow will work
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voxpelli Otherwise one needs to switch out one of the three parts to something else
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miklb voxpelli: OK. I'll keep my setup as is for now, and keep an eye out for your post. Thanks!
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@mothersele @indiewebcamp @evucan in talk I used gentrification as metaphor for changes in Drupal community. (twitter.com/_/status/707119818143633408)
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petermolnar http://www.nextscripts.com/api/instagram-automated-posting/ - this looks pretty much they somehow cracked the instagram API for posting
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petermolnar ah. it goes through their paid API, so it's not something we can use :/
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@BizGiftsco @IndieWebCampUK Let me help you Build your Business by sourcing the best Business Gifts http://www.business-gifts.co/business-gifts-catalog/ https://twitter.com/BizGiftsco/status/645979409258840064/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/707144444827422720)
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KartikPrabhu what ^?
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petermolnar spam, I believe
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darrenmothersele.com edited /gentrification_of_the_web (+261) (view diff)
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darrenmothersele.com edited /gentrification_of_the_web (+18) "/* 2015 */" (view diff)
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darrenmothersele.com edited /gentrification_of_the_web (+323) (view diff)
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Loqi [indieweb] "
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cweiske url for that is http://www.heise.de/ct/ausgabe/2016-5-Blog-System-und-Social-Media-Verteiler-Known-3100847.html
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cweiske but only the first paragraphs of the article
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Loqi [indieweb] "
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petermolnar do you want to talk about it, Loqi?
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Loqi woot!
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petermolnar.eu edited /gentrification_of_the_web (+248) (view diff)
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@heibie @diplix #indieweb in der c't http://www.heise.de/ct/ausgabe/2016-5-Blog-System-und-Social-Media-Verteiler-Known-3100847.html (twitter.com/_/status/707199651510935552)
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GWG Good morning all
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@HickyWebSeries RT @zpinternational You can only get these at @lex_con at the ZP table / @INC_says from the FB page. #promo #indie #indieweb https://twitter.com/zpinternational/status/705562278800674817/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/707213876438421504)
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@jkphl #DE Gleich im Hörsal H13: IndieWeb — Deine Daten. Dein Netz.#wke2016 #indieweb https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/707216848761135108/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/707216848761135108)
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@webrocker RT @jkphl #DE Gleich im Hörsal H13: IndieWeb — Deine Daten. Dein Netz.#wke2016 #indieweb https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/707216848761135108/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/707216950510882816)
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@jkphl Kicking of my #wke2016 talk "IndieWeb — Deine Daten. Dein Netz." The slides are available at https://jkphl.is/slides/wke2016/ https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/707219745687343105/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/707219745687343105)
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@aviationsteve Und los geht's... #IndieWeb #wke2016 (twitter.com/_/status/707219809101029376)
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@wke Vorletzter Vortrag auf dem #wke2016 "IndieWeb - Deine Daten. Dein Netz." Wir sind sehr gespannt @jkphl https://twitter.com/wke/status/707219834958905349/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/707219834958905349)
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@webrocker Der @jkphl über das #indieWeb #wke2016 https://twitter.com/webrocker/status/707220810172334080/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/707220810172334080)
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@webrocker Geiler Folienstyle bei @jkphl <3 #indieweb #wke2016 https://twitter.com/webrocker/status/707221390647271424/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/707221390647271424)
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@aviationsteve http://IndieWebCamp.com/principles 11 Prinzipien, rein lesen! #wke2016 (twitter.com/_/status/707223020520280066)
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tantek.com edited /gentrification_of_the_web (+917) "move hacker hacked to a separate "Related" section, not about "gentrification of the web" in particular, added opinion countering that of the article" (view diff)
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@webrocker huch?! #wke2016 @jkphl #indieweb https://twitter.com/webrocker/status/707223462067232769/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/707223462067232769)
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@aviationsteve Erster Schritt zum #IndieWeb: Eigene Domain - IndieAuth-tauglich. #wke2016 (twitter.com/_/status/707223762954010625)
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tantek.com edited /gentrification_of_the_web (+27) "/* hacker ethos */" (view diff)
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tantek petermolnar: since you added to "hacker hacked", I noted a different opinion than the article: https://indiewebcamp.com/gentrification_of_the_web#hacker_ethos
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tantek.com edited /hacker_images (+45) "/* See Also */ hacker ethos" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /gentrification_of_the_web (+309) "note hacker images as a deliberate media hack in and of themselves" (view diff)
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@textformer RT @webrocker Geiler Folienstyle bei @jkphl <3 #indieweb #wke2016 https://twitter.com/webrocker/status/707221390647271424/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/707225122265042944)
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@aviationsteve Level 1 ist leicht, ab L 2 wird es spannend, da eigene Inhalte auch wieder in soziale Netzwerke geteilt werden können... #IndieWeb #wke2016 (twitter.com/_/status/707226716951998464)
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petermolnar tantek no, it wasn't me, I just added one more quote from there I believed to be important
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@webrocker huchhuch @Thuemer @jkphl #wke2016 #indieweb https://twitter.com/webrocker/status/707227233300160512/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/707227233300160512)
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tantek petermolnar: indeed that additional quote is indicative of that article. I just think it's a bad/misguided article (reasons in wiki page()
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petermolnar I'll challenge that opinion: I do share the essay's view. Mainstream culture is accepting, for example, their car as something not to be hacked, their phones not to be rooted, etc. No, that kind of hacker, the modifier one, is being swallowed and forgotten; however, as it's mentioned in there as well, society is facing towards solutionism more and more, which can be seen as an aspect of hacking.
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@aviationsteve IndieWeb-Treffen 16/17. April im Zuge der @nueww ! (twitter.com/_/status/707228266495610880)
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tantek solutionism is not anti-hacker per se though, it is orthogonal
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tantek rather, in the article it's presented as a false dichotomy
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@jkphl Find the slides of my #wke2016 talk "IndieWeb — Deine Daten. Dein Netz" at https://jkphl.is/slides/wke2016/ (optimized for 4:3 aspect) (twitter.com/_/status/707229418192637952)
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petermolnar the states that hackers and the hacking culture is losing it's edge; reading things like http://www.textfiles.com/magazines/LOD/ I tend to agree, but again, you are also right. The essay is not saying that 'hacking' isn't becoming widespread at all, it's observing that it's becoming shallow and restrained
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petermolnar it states, not the, sorry
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@Flocke RT @jkphl Find the slides of my #wke2016 talk "IndieWeb — Deine Daten. Dein Netz" at https://jkphl.is/slides/wke2016/ (optimized for 4:3 aspect) (twitter.com/_/status/707230052476461057)
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petermolnar although the more I think if it, it may not really be true, since I do find unbelievable hacks, but they are rare; they were always rare, but a while ago there wasn't many (any?) not incredible find around
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@jkphl #DE Alle Infos zum #IndieWebCamp Nürnberg 2016 am 16.-17. April unter http://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg #wke2016 #nueww https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/707230661845786625/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/707230661845786625)
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tantek they have always been rare, and will continue to be rare, and that is ok
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petermolnar indeed; but in a much higher noise level it's harder to spot
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tantek that itself is a deliberate cloaking hack ;)
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tantek there will always be a core like that. what's new is how far the more "diluted" (or "shallow" if you prefer) hacks have spread
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tantek as you say, higher noise level
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tantek or perhaps, hacker chaff https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaff_%28countermeasure%29
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petermolnar there is one more aspect I'd like to point out: the other link that was added for drupal, that, referring to this one, compares 'gentrification' to 'going corporate' which I think is a fairly good analogy
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tantek there's a difference between "going corporate" (loss of identity) and "spreading to corporate" (colonization)
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tantek and that's often overlooked in these analyses
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petermolnar this is a third I think: the moving away from the move fast-fail fast approach toward the let's make it stable first approach
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tantek I prefer sustainable to stable
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petermolnar that is kind of the same in my terminology ( every person has their own dictionary, so each conversation should start with the exchange of dictionaries, which is obviously no possible, but at least it's possible to correct/align later :) )
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tantek stable de-emphasizes change, that's the problem
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tantek whereas sustainable implies there is still continuous change
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@pawu76 RT @jkphl #DE Alle Infos zum #IndieWebCamp Nürnberg 2016 am 16.-17. April unter http://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg #wke2016 #nueww https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/707230661845786625/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/707232531301711873)
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petermolnar not in my read; it just keeps backward compatibility and fallback for a reasonable time ( where reasonable time depends on a lot of variables )
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petermolnar ( this was for stable )
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petermolnar but since English is not my first language I may not see the strength of the words clear/well enough
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@textformer RT @jkphl Find the slides of my #wke2016 talk "IndieWeb — Deine Daten. Dein Netz" at https://jkphl.is/slides/wke2016/ (optimized for 4:3 aspect) (twitter.com/_/status/707232999537057792)
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tantek I know what you mean as stable meaning dependable, relatively free of bugs. like a stable software release. but it's meaning in technology, especially standards, implies unchanging, which tends be impede progress.
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tantek "stability" has been used to argue against bug fixes for example.
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petermolnar that is a completely wrong argument
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petermolnar but I've had it as well, so I understand
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tantek but that is part of the context that "stability" is in, we cannot avoid it
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petermolnar and I accept sustainable would be a more suitable word
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petermolnar by the way, one more thing from that lament: it states that many "oldschool" hacker tried to understand how things work and built something with/on top of them, whereas the NIH is strong in the current hacker culture; but I don't know if this has any truth in it or not
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tantek NIH is strong in both
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petermolnar what is NIH?
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Loqi NIH is Not Invented Here is an anti-pattern and a frequent response to standards, especially in big companies http://indiewebcamp.com/NIH
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tantek petermolnar: the book referenced in the article is a good read for more on "oldschool" hacker - Steven Levy's "Hackers"
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tantek http://www.stevenlevy.com/index.php/books/hackers
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tantek (sigh /index.php/ - really?)
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tantek regarding understanding how things work, sense of curiosity, disassembling things etc.
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petermolnar hey, it's stable, so why change it? :D
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petermolnar ( for the index.php )
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petermolnar thanks, I'll put that on my list
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tantek it's a bit out of date now, but good for historical context
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petermolnar http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/729
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rhiaro is taking food requests for attendees of IWC MIT next week, will order catering soonish probably
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Loqi rhiaro: tantek left you a message 19 hours, 41 minutes ago: Looks like IWC MIT needs some wikifying love (e.g. /2016/MIT/Schedule is missing, other pages too) Can you help with https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/MIT/Planning#To_Do ? Thanks! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-03-07/line/1457383068824
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rhiaro So anyone who is coming, ping with preferences
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tantek Happy with the usual vegetarian options!
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tantek the DIY Chipotle trays of ingredients seem to work well
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rhiaro chipotle is expensive though, that depends on budget
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kylewm also, the whole ecoli thing
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tantek kylewm: wasn't that a meat problem?
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kylewm no clue, they seemed to have several systemic problems
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tantek we've done the chipotle trays for several IWC MIT/Cambridge and have had no problems. could be a location-specific thing too
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kylewm oh right, the boston chipotle was norovirus, not e coli :P
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KevinMarks petermolnar, tantek is antifragility a useful word here?
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tantek KevinMarks: how about antinegative framing? :P
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KevinMarks well, Taleb talks about that and his point is that resilience isn't strong enough as it doesn't capture the 'gets stronger with adversity' aspect
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tantek Taleb's methodology itself is flawed, as both "isn't strong enough" and "doesn't capture" are flawed in terms of methods for growing resilience
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tantek he's a victim of negative reasoning himself
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tantek does Taleb have a website? build anything?
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tantek speaking of, I need to figure out what to change/add to my site for tomorrow's HWC
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KevinMarks http://www.fooledbyrandomness.com/
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tantek hmm, smells Gladwellish
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tantek If you see frad and don't shout fraud, maybe you're too busy building and creating positive things instead?
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tantek s/frad/fraud
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Loqi tantek meant to say: If you see fraud and don't shout fraud, maybe you're too busy building and creating positive things instead?
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tantek KevinMarks: that page is dripping with negative framing, it needs a rewrite
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@grantpotter @sandstormio is on a mission to make #opensource & #indieweb applications viable as an ecosystem https://sandstorm.io/about #OpenEducationWk (twitter.com/_/status/707246568106237952)
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Loqi [indieweb] "
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@grantpotter @sandstormio on a mission to make #opensource & #indieweb applications viable as an ecosystem https://sandstorm.io/about #OpenEducationWk (twitter.com/_/status/707247023913881601)
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@jkphl RT @webrocker Geiler Folienstyle bei @jkphl <3 #indieweb #wke2016 https://twitter.com/webrocker/status/707221390647271424/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/707248374311944193)
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snarfed hey aaronpk are you still seeing many timeouts from bridgy?
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snarfed just curious
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@webrocker @Thuemer Du bist jetzt WebMention Star :) @jkphl (twitter.com/_/status/707258773686067201)
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@calum_ryan First time this year I can actually make a Homebrew Website Club in person! https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-03-09-homebrew-website-club#Brighton (twitter.com/_/status/707260262554931201)
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sonicrocketman Hey all I've got a blog post here you might enjoy: A Vision of the Open Web https://brianschrader.com/archive/a-vision-of-the-open-web/
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petermolnar http://wptavern.com/automattic-releases-wordpress-plugin-for-facebooks-instant-articles - I'm not entirely happy about Automattic's approach to immediate adoptation of AMP and FIA
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voxpelli I'm not sure what I think of AMP and FIA – I can see Pros and Cons with both :/
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[shaners] Good morning, Loqi.
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Loqi yeah!
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aaronpk kylewm: does woodwind have an RSVP button along with like/reply/etc?
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kylewm No not yet
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aaronpk do you perchance have time to make that this week? :D
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KevinMarks getting syndication buttons converged would be good too
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kylewm Sure aaronpk
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aaronpk \o/
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kylewm Kevinmarks, what do you mean?
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tantek what is a syndication button?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "syndication button" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Fw
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aaronpk i have some events at http://aaronparecki.com/events you can test with!
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tantek and how is that a user feature at all?
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kylewm (I think syndication buttons already work well)
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tantek kylewm: do you want UI suggestions for RSVP?
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aaronpk this is p3k's editing interface with syndication buttons right now. i would like to improve the buttons with an icon and friendly name, but it's not a high priority for me https://aaronparecki.com/uploads/Screen-Shot-2016-03-08-11-01-14.png
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kylewm Sure!
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tantek ok
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tantek teetering on the edge of another rabbithole
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KevinMarks well, woodwind and known don't seem to agree on how to display them
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ben_thatmustbeme feels we should send out some sort of email reminding people about IWC
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme: tantek left you a message 22 hours, 33 minutes ago: Looks like IWC MIT needs some wikifying love (e.g. /2016/MIT/Schedule is missing, other pages too) Can you help with https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/MIT/Planning#To_Do ? Thanks! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-03-07/line/1457383068824
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KevinMarks http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/woodwind-showing-syndication-buttons-from-known
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Loqi [Kevin Marks] woodwind showing syndication buttons from known
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@ChrisAldrich #indieweb Thanks @tinokremer. I was just noodling around with one @kylewmahan & @schnarfed recommended for… http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/indieweb-thanks-tinokremer-i-was-just-noodling-around-with-one (twitter.com/_/status/707283019892006912)
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Loqi [indieweb] "#indieweb Thanks @tinokremer. I was just noodling around with one @kylewmahan" by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/indieweb-thanks-tinokremer-i-was-just-noodling-around-with-one
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: you can with the eventbrite right?
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tantek (send email)
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KevinMarks there was some back and forth on that here http://indiewebcamp.com/Micropub-brainstorming#Discovering_Supported_Syndication_Targets
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ben_thatmustbeme yes
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: also - definitely help with https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/MIT/Planning#To_Do
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ben_thatmustbeme but we need to draft it
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KevinMarks looks like the formats haven't quite converged
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ben_thatmustbeme okay, gotta run, i'll be back
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kylewm Kevinmarks: try reauthorizing micropub in woodwind?
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KevinMarks do I have to deauth?
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KevinMarks 'cos that didn't change it
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KevinMarks <div class="syndication-toggle"> <input id="sc-606283-1" type="checkbox" name="syndicate-to[]" value="twitter::kevinmarks"> <label for="sc-606283-1"><img src="//www.google.com/s2/favicons?domain=twitter%3A%3Akevinmarks" alt="twitter::kevinmarks">&nbsp;:kevinmarks</label> </div>
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tantek.com edited /rsvp (+1445) "/* Brainstorming */ RSVP button UI, e.g. for readers" (view diff)
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kylewm Kevinmarks, Huh, I'll have to take a look when I get home!
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tantek kylewm: here you go! https://indiewebcamp.com/rsvp#RSVP_buttons
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tantek wonders if Woodwind supports micropub update and delete
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tantek just found a use-case for readers to support micropub update and delete as it were. RSVP.
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tantek what is related
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "related" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Fx
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tantek hmm
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tantek related is a contextual feature of posts that shows you similar things you may be interested, like for [[article]]s, [[related reading]], and for [[event]]s, [[related events]], possibly using a [[recommendation engine]].
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loqi.me created /related (+248) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-03-08/line/1457465971123 and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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tantek.com edited /related (+65) "fix dfn, see also" (view diff)
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tantek what are related events
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "related events" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Fy
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tantek related events is a section on an [[event]] permalink page that shows mini versions of events related to that event, often with minimal UI to [[RSVP]].
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loqi.me created /related_events (+178) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-03-08/line/1457466225602 and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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Loqi [indieweb] "Congratulations and good luck. Hopefully you won't be as addicted to the #indieweb as some of us have become!" by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/congratulations-and-good-luck-hopefully-you-wont-be-as-addicted
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tantek.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:2016-068-Facebook-related-events.png]]""
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tantek.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:2016-068-Facebook-related-events-interested.png]]""
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tantek.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:2016-068-Facebook-related-events-new.png]]""
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@krisshaffer @bennettscience @katemath I replaced my blog comments with @hypothes_is (and webmentions). So far, no annotators yet. :( (twitter.com/_/status/707293347350650881)
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tantek.com edited /related_events (+657) "silo examples, Facebook example with UI flow" (view diff)
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tantek somebody send that guy a webmention ^^^
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gRegorLove Indieweb welcome wagon
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tantek.com edited /related_events (+402) "why, how, indieweb examples" (view diff)
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gRegorLove Oh. Kris is actually saying "no annotators via hypothes_is" yet. There's plenty of webmentions showing up already. http://kris.shaffermusic.com//2015/12/battlestar-galactica/##Webmentions
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gRegorLove What is Hypothes.is?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Hypothes.is" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Fz
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tantek interesting
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gRegorLove https://hypothes.is/principles/ #10 "Think long term. Infrastructure for 100 years. Or longer?"
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tantek good principle. but depending on a centralized service isn't.
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tantek gRegorLove: looks like his webmentions are all bridgy backfeed
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tantek send him a real one :)
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gRegorLove I'm not sure what it is, actually, whether it's centralized or not.
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gRegorLove Non-profit, based on the W3C Web Annotation Working Group apparently.
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gRegorLove What is annotation?
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Loqi Annotations are comments (including marginalia), highlights or any other interactions that add to (part of) a post, typically added by individuals other than the author https://indiewebcamp.com/annotation
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KartikPrabhu doesn't tilgovi run it?
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tantek.com edited /related_events (+4) "/* Facebook */ linky" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Facebook (+316) "/* Features */ events, related events" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /related_reading (+14) "/* See Also */" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /recommendation_engine (+21) "/* Facebook */ related events" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /recommendation_engine (+14) "/* See Also */ related" (view diff)
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tantek gRegorLove: hypothes.is was a company (not a non-profit) last time I checked. yes they participate in the W3C Web Annotation WG. I think there are some indieweb folks that used to work for them.
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gRegorLove Their /about says non-profit
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tantek huh, I wonder when that changed
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gRegorLove sees "RDF" in the Open Annotations spec and backs away
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tantek lol
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tantek they predate the W3C WG on that too, been around for a number of years
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tantek they helped start the annotation WG
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gRegorLove June 2013 apparently. The link on the about is a PDF of the letter from the IRS, haha
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tantek funny
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gRegorLove But it sounds centralized, yes. Download our extension, create an account.
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rhiaro hypothesis is centralised
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rhiaro last I heard from bigbluehat they were staying that way I think
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gregorlove.com created /Hypothes.is (+152) "prompted by gRegorLove https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-03-08/line/1457467686564" (view diff)
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miklb This would be kinda cool to indiewebify https://github.com/jekyll/jekyll-mentions
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Loqi [indieweb] "Liked Installed @kylewmahan's excellent #indieweb plugin for @withknown: KnownReactions" by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/liked-installed-kylewmahans-excellent-indieweb-plugin-for-withknown-knownreactions-42979c2911
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voxpelli miklb: maybe one could hook a http://indiewebcamp.com/nickname-cache into something like that?
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voxpelli I myself think I would opt to hook that @mention-to-link resolver in a Micropub client instead of in a Jekyll plugin though, trying to keep my Jekyll vanilla
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gRegorLove snarfed: Is it possible (and not too difficult) to have granary not convert new lines to <br> when the content is HTML?
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miklb voxpelli: agreed, just liked the base idea. Looking forward to leveraging micropub ;-)
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gRegorLove What is KnownReactions?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "KnownReactions" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10G0
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miklb voxpelli: my goal is next week to follow along IWC MIT and build a generic Jekyll theme that is indieweb friendly. Anything I could include that would make it easier to use with your micropub workflow when it is ready?
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voxpelli miklb: there indeed is
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Loqi [indieweb] "#indieweb Installed great plugins into my @withknown site: Recipes, Reviews, Reactions, Video via http://docs.withknown.com/en/latest/plugins/community/ h/t @tinokremer" by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/indieweb-installed-great-plugins-into-my-withknown-site-recipes-reviews
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@ChrisAldrich #indieweb Installed great plugins into my @withknown site: Recipes, Reviews, Reactions, Video via http://docs.withknown.com/en/latest/plugins/community/ h/t @tinokremer (twitter.com/_/status/707306286258331648)
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voxpelli miklb: check https://github.com/voxpelli/voxpelli.github.com/
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voxpelli miklb: and in particular https://github.com/voxpelli/voxpelli.github.com/blob/master/_includes/post.html
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voxpelli miklb: that interacts with a Micropub published post like https://github.com/voxpelli/voxpelli.github.com/blob/master/_posts/2015-11-08-adactio-journal-my-first-service-worker.md
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voxpelli I've been thinking of maybe extracting some of those include-templates as a separate git-repo that one could include as a submodule into ones own theme to get a basic presentation of the micropub posts
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miklb hmm
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voxpelli but as long as you can render a post like the one I linked to it should fit with my Micropub endpoint without any alterations
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miklb cool. I'll look closer at what you have over the weekend.
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voxpelli the actual formatting of the files is done in https://github.com/voxpelli/node-format-microformat, which translates the Micropiub data into the data needed when pushing to a repo
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voxpelli I can see if I maybe can find some time to write something up before IWC MIT
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miklb even if you put together some cliff notes,I might be able to flesh it out as I try to implement it.
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miklb would be neat to have a ready-made indie Jekyll instance that a beginner could basically clone and edit the config for an h-card and be ready to go.
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voxpelli if nothing else I could add you to my private in-progress git repo at the end of the week if I haven't had time to write something up
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miklb my github account is same as my IRC nick
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voxpelli indeed, and I also think one can maybe make the h-card configurable through the config file
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miklb yes, that's my goal.
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voxpelli miklb: ping me if I forget, in the midst of launching two sites at the moment
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miklb voxpelli: will do
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voxpelli at the moment as in during the upcoming weeks :)
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snarfed gRegorLove: that's not configurable right now, sorry
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snarfed feel free to file an issue!
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miklb sure. I read you said you'd be busy until probably next month
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voxpelli eager to get back to indiewebbing :)
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miklb voxpelli: I need to tighten up my workflow a bit, but am excited about it myself.
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Loqi [indieweb] "Liked Tino Kremer's post on tinokremer.nl: 235 Days on the Indieweb; something changed" by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/liked-tino-kremers-post-on-tinokremernl-235-days-on-the
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kylewm KevinMarks: it seems to be a problem with hosted Known -- the "syndicate-to-expanded" property is empty when i query your endpoint (or mine on kylewm.withknown.com)
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kylewm filed an issue
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kylewm tantek: wow thank you for the UI design notes. that is definitely more than I can do right now (Woodwind doesn't have a memory of posts its made in the past) but something to aim for
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kylewm kind of seems like we need a fourth state. where "not going" can mean "can't make it this time" or "not interested in this type of event"
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Loqi [indieweb] "Liked Kyle Mahan's post: I was not expecting to have a long conversation with my therapist today about why it's important to me to have my own website #indieweb" by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/liked-kyle-mahans-post-i-was-not-expecting-to-have
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Loqi [indieweb] "I splitted some RSS feeds sources from @inoreader to https://woodwind.xyz" by Rick Mendes https://www.rmendes.net/2016/i-splitted-some-rss-feeds-sources-from-inoreader-to-now
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Loqi [indieweb] "@jonworth the power of #indieweb is about focusing on your site without mandatory rejection of (ie: walled gardens, corporate networks, Medium or anywhere else where" by Rick Mendes https://www.rmendes.net/2016/jonworth-the-power-of-indieweb-is-about-focusing-on-your
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tantek kylewm: no problem - that's from analyzing some of what FB provides for event UI (note tangential research on /related_events ) and then I tried to minimize to something simpler.
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tantek but I suppose I can try something *even* simpler with no memory of posts
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tantek hmm - perhaps Woodwind doesn't need memory of RSVP posts, if it sees them when it next gets the user's own updates!
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KevinMarks you don't normally subscribe to yourself though
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tantek you do today
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tantek in integrated silo UIs
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tantek also today you don't normally "subscribe", you follow
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tantek.com edited /rsvp (+508) "/* RSVP buttons */ even more minimal interaction (no memory needed), reframed rest as RSVP buttons with updates" (view diff)
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tantek !tell kylewm even more minimal RSVP button UI (no memory/state needed) https://indiewebcamp.com/rsvp#RSVP_Interested_Going
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek even just a one-click RSVP that shows the static result like that would be very useful (and demo well too)
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gRegorLove I was thinking of setting up a "follow" page with links to my feeds, subtome button, etc. instead of a /subscribe page.
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tantek why do you need a whole page for follow?
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tantek shouldn't it ideally be just one button?
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gRegorLove I have multiple feeds
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Loqi [indieweb] "Configuring the #IndieWeb RSS Reader Woodwind for @WithKnown" by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/configuring-the-indieweb-rss-reader-woodwind-for-withknown
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@ChrisAldrich Configuring the #IndieWeb RSS Reader Woodwind for @WithKnown: http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/configuring-the-indieweb-rss-reader-woodwind-for-withknown (twitter.com/_/status/707342223273172992)
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Loqi [mention] http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/configuring-the-indieweb-rss-reader-woodwind-for-withknown commented 'Configuring the #IndieWeb RSS Reader Woodwind for @WithKnown ...' on a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/Micropub
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Loqi [mention] http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/configuring-the-indieweb-rss-reader-woodwind-for-withknown commented 'Configuring the #IndieWeb RSS Reader Woodwind for @WithKnown ...' on a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/indie-config
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gRegorLove I may add email subscription as an option, too
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tantek gRegorLove: I think there's an artificial split going on there
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tantek that is, I don't think it makes sense to have a *separate* page for an action on pages elsewhere on your site
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gRegorLove Sure, because I don't have one unified feed of everything currently.
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tantek your main updates should have a way to follow them
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tantek if you have other pages with different sets of updates, they should have inline UI on them to follow them etc.
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tantek the point is to start with navigation among visible HTML to those pages of updates
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tantek and then on each one have its own follow UI/button
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gRegorLove True. I was thinking of the distinction between my Atom feeds and h-feeds, which is what led me to think about one page, rather than 2 buttons on each page.
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tantek no need for anything visible for Atom/legacy feeds, as anyone who cares about them already uses a legacy reader that can do link rel=alternate discovery on the page
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tantek so they can just the URL of the page itself
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tantek.com edited /Webmention (+270) "/* Publishing Software */ more CMSs, separate OSS vs others" (view diff)