#indiewebcamp 2016-03-27

2016-03-27 UTC
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GWG tantek, sent that guy an email
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tantek GWG - nice!
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tantek reads up on /* as fairy magic wand emoticon
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tantek what is pubsub?
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Loqi pubsub is a generic name for a protocol, system, or service that routes messages between producers and consumers https://indiewebcamp.com/pubsub
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tantek :)
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tantek kylewm++ for de-jargoning SQS
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Loqi kylewm has 311 karma
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tantek what is long-polling?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "long-polling" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Gp
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tantek what is a webhook?
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Loqi A webhook is a mechanism for notifying a server about updates to some content in realtime by making an HTTP request https://indiewebcamp.com/webhook
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tantek :)
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tantek what is Lambda
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Loqi Lambda is a service from Amazon Web Services that runs individual functions of code rather than running a server https://indiewebcamp.com/Lambda
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tantek what is RabbitMQ
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "RabbitMQ" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Gq
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tantek what is cron
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "cron" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Gr
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tantek what is /* ?
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tantek lol
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tantek Loqi, you know what /* is, you already auto-link it to http://indiewebcamp.com/* - so when some asks what is /* you can strip the slash and answer literally from that wiki page without doing a search!
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Loqi yeah!
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tantek aaronpk: ^^^
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on Instagram Hates The Internet by Maex" by Maex https://www.jwz.org/blog/2016/03/instagram-hates-the-internet/#comment-166222
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kevinmarks.com edited /News_Genius (+126) "/* Criticism */" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Instagram (+396) "manual PESOS from private account update, add criticism / most locked-in and user-hostile via jwz" (view diff)
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KevinMarks https://www.peterkrautzberger.org/0186/
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KevinMarks http://genius.it/8883931/
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kodfabrik.se created /message_queue (+21) "Adding message queue redirect for general queue page" (view diff)
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tantek KevinMarks - bottom of that MathML article "To leave a comment write me an email. " - I wonder if that's a pattern worth documenting
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tantek KevinMarks++ for savant.js
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Loqi KevinMarks has 202 karma
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kodfabrik.se edited /queueing (+1076) "Merging this page with "task queue" page" (view diff)
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kodfabrik.se edited /task-queue (-427) "Merge with general queue page" (view diff)
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kodfabrik.se edited /Amazon_Simple_Queue_Service (+54) "Extended a bit + reworded to be a bit less PHP-centered" (view diff)
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kodfabrik.se created /RabbitMQ (+292) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-03-26/line/1459043172086" (view diff)
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kodfabrik.se created /long-polling (+875) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-03-26/line/1459043121539" (view diff)
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bear.im edited /RabbitMQ (+89) "pendantic tweak to dfn" (view diff)
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voxpelli bear: will you set up a redirect for message broker to message queue page as well?
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bear.im created /message_broker (+256) "Created page with "{{stub}} '''A <dfn>message broker</dfn>''' is a program that receives messages in one (or multiple) formats and performs the necessary translations or transformations required b..."" (view diff)
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bear yes
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voxpelli bear: wouldn't it be better to just gather all the broker/message queues/task queues on a single page? most people won't really know the differences
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bear yea, i was just having that debate in my own head
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voxpelli + if you know how to describe the differences between the three it would be great to have a section about it as I myself can't really tell them all apart
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bear a small few of us (me for example) chaff at conflating them
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aaronpk the benefit to having multiple pages is it lets us de-jargon in IRC using "what is"
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bear but for this audience maybe an explainer section on the queue's page is better
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aaronpk but those pages being a short summary that link to a main page with more details would be fine too
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bear yea, I think all the see-also's are going to be a single entry to queue's page
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aaronpk cool
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voxpelli I think maybe the "queueing" page would be better of just be named "queue"
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bear i'll let one of the wiki gurus do that - last time I broke a page trying to rename it
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voxpelli same here, not sure at all how to do it
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aaronpk there is already a queueing page and /queue redirects to it http://indiewebcamp.com/queue
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bear.im created /AMQP (+180) "Created page with "{{stub}} '''<dfn>AMQP</dfn>''', or Advanced Message Queuing Prototocol, is an open standard to describe and transfer messages between applications. == See Also == * [[queueing]]"" (view diff)
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bear.im edited /RabbitMQ (-26) (view diff)
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bear.im edited /message_broker (-5) (view diff)
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bear.im edited /queueing (+89) "add my example" (view diff)
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KevinMarks so does https://cloud.google.com/pubsub/overview count as a queue? or is it more of a bus?
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bear it's a broker also
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bear well, it's a broker that has quite a few client connectivity options like RabbitMQ
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bear which are often combined in the minds of client users to be "a message queue"
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bear message queues get a lot of extra things added onto them because all devs see is: push message in get message out
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KevinMarks tantek: he did respond to comments as tweets https://twitter.com/pkrautz/status/713765889565409280
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@pkrautz New on the blaaah. "Why MathML is a failed web standard" https://www.peterkrautzberger.org/0186/ (twitter.com/_/status/713765889565409280)
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KevinMarks right, there are simple queue models and more complex bus models
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KevinMarks is map/shuffle/reduce a queue?
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bear.im created /Google_PubSub (+194) "prompted by bear" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /google_pubsub (+26) "prompted by bear and dfn added by bear" (view diff)
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bear to messaging purists - yes
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bear [message] -> [pipeline] -> [consumer]
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bear anything that follows that pattern is a message system
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bear.im edited /queueing (+520) "add beginning of broker/queue explainer" (view diff)
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voxpelli bear++ thanks for explaining the difference :)
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Loqi bear has 114 karma
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bear I just linked the page to the wikipedia article - it's quite good
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kevinmarks.com edited /gentrification_of_the_web (+691) "/* Acquishutdowns */" (view diff)
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@billbennettnz Been playing with IndyWeb, webmention and bridgy... Fascinating stuff (twitter.com/_/status/714163840968032257)
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tantek.com edited /gentrification_of_the_web (-15) "de-date recent (past year) items, cluster silo filtering with silo sanitization" (view diff)
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Tino Does anyone know if Bridgy supports Google+ pages ?
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kylewm Tino: no sadly it doesn't: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/354
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gRegorLove I'm thinking through how to change my profile photo but preserve the previous one on existing posts.
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gRegorLove I have an "author profile" pseudo-page which stores the author name, website, email, and a single profile photo.
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tantek gRegorLove: your post permalinks have their own p-author h-card which can have its own u-photo URL different from your author profile psuedo-page
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tantek you could store the post's author's h-card photo URL along with the post in your storage, and use that to construct the h-card with photo specific to the post
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gRegorLove !tell barnabywalters Per /profile_photo I noticed your posts preserve the photo you used at the time of publishing. I was wondering what your structure is for handling that.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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gRegorLove tantek: the h-card on each of my permalinks is built from that author profile pseudo-page currently. Thinking through how to update that to be more flexible.
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gRegorLove Ah, I think I understand you. Move the photo out of that author profile page and instead populate each post with the photo URL that's current as of that date? So I'd set up a default profile photo.
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gRegorLove s/that date/the dt-published/
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Loqi gRegorLove meant to say: Ah, I think I understand you. Move the photo out of that author profile page and instead populate each post with the photo URL that's current as of the dt-published? So I'd set up a default profile photo.
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@kevinmarks @Joi @Ross @ev currently @Medium export is broken (breaks links) and there is no read API, only a write one: http://indiewebcamp.com/medium#Exporting_your_data (twitter.com/_/status/714205508089937921)
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@kevinmarks @Joi @Ross @ev would love to here more about PubClub - this sounds very aligned wiht what we have been working on at http://indiewebcamp.com (twitter.com/_/status/714208568967213056)
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KevinMarks !tell Tino Known Convoy supports Google+ pages: https://withknown.com/convoy/
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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billbennett Posts from my site (http://billbennett.co.nz) are syndicated on other sites such as (http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?contentid=20714#comment-2592210163) can I get the Disqus comments echoed back to my site?
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KevinMarks not sure if disqus has an api
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KevinMarks looks liek it does, so you could fetch them wiht their api and convert
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billbennett Yes, there is a disqus api (and you can use disqus with bridgy to pull comments from Tumblr)
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KartikPrabhu sounds like a bridgy feature request
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tantek To all you beautiful indieweb creators of all kinds of things, a reminder from Andy Baio: https://twitter.com/waxpancake/status/712730728203571200
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@waxpancake A reminder to everyone making stuff: For every random jerk trashing you online, there are thousands of people that quietly love you. (twitter.com/_/status/712730728203571200)
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tantek Also: https://twitter.com/waxpancake/status/713430006349692928
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@waxpancake Every time I tweet this, it gets twice the response. Hard to remember, but worth repeating. [photo] (twitter.com/_/status/713430006349692928)