#indiewebcamp 2016-06-01

2016-06-01 UTC
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[benatwork]
on the internet, no-one knows you’re a bot
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tantek
hello [botatwork]
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[benatwork]
beep boop.
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snarfed
[benatwork]: hey! just fyi, i just noticed your bridgy fb has been off for a while. :P https://brid.gy/facebook/36802236
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[benatwork]
ha
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[benatwork]
thanks
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KartikPrabhu
[botatwork]: what is the meaning of life?
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KartikPrabhu
damn you Loqi!
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KevinMarks
We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty.
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GWG
KevinMarks, amen.
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KartikPrabhu
KevinMarks: good luck!
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gregorlove.com
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gRegorLove
Not sure what I'm going to work on for IWS Create day. Hopefully something will inspire me
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tantek
gRegorLove: usually the challenge is too many things inspire people at the end of day 1
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gRegorLove
Yeah. The last two years I came with solid goals. This will be an interesting switch-up for me
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KartikPrabhu
gRegorLove: one idea I have been wanting to implement -- enable offline reading of posts using service worker
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tantek
that would be cool
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gRegorLove
Interesting
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tantek
what is service worker?
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Loqi
service workers are scripts that run in the background, separate from tabs with the site open, and are commonly used for offline functionality and push notifications https://indiewebcamp.com/service_worker
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KartikPrabhu
specially useful for long form articles, download and cache them on network and then read later in the bus/train etc...
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tantek
what is offline
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Loqi
offline is anytime you're not online and connected to the internet https://indiewebcamp.com/offline
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tantek
what is offline first?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "offline first" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Mf
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gRegorLove
Ah, so you mean caching other people's posts? Or your own?
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KartikPrabhu
I mean the following: when you visit my site, it allows you to cache some article offline. then later you can read my article without network
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KartikPrabhu
can also be implemented for /reader though
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tantek.com
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KartikPrabhu
could also be useful in micropub clients for saving drafts of posts offline
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KartikPrabhu
so you can write your post without connection, then sync/publish when you get back the network
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KartikPrabhu
has not investigated feasability of these ideas so... grain of salt
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: that's exactly what Jake built in his offline / progressive web apps talk at Google I/O
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gRegorLove
adactio's post on service workers made them seem not too bad, depending how familiar you are with JS
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tantek
but more as an emoji "chat" app than as a blog posting app
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: yeah I have heard of that talk. I was thinking more in the indieweb uses direction
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tantek
found it
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Loqi
[Tantek Çelik] Watched #IO16 live video today; @jaffathecake’s #offlinefirst talk was the best talk of Google IO 2016 I’ve seen. Well done.
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: the direction doesn't matter - the talk teaches techniques that can be used for either / any
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: yes of course!
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tantek
anyway, watch that talk - best talk of Google I/O IMO
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KartikPrabhu
is preping own thesis talk for next week so after taht
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gregorlove.com
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ben_thatmustbeme
my emoji / like hover bit is getting pushed to some extremes (for me)
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Loqi
[Ben Roberts] We close on our new house today!!
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: uh, how are you distinguishing between the black heart and the red heart?
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tantek
or is it "heart" and "heart suit" ?
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tantek
❤ 25 ❤️ 2
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ben_thatmustbeme
for me they both show up as red. I need to look in to it closer, but basically its because FB has their default like as a thumbs up, but then they have "heart"
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ben_thatmustbeme
i translate likes to hearts (as well as twitter likes/hearts/stars/clovers/bluemoons/wheveryouwanttocallthem
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ben_thatmustbeme
i need to look at what bridgy is actually sending me
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tantek
yes now that FB has both like = thumbs up, and love = heart everything is confused again
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tantek
just when we were close to like/heart convergence, FB goes and diverges
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ben_thatmustbeme
yeah, thats why i'm just not fighting it, its just different emojis that people are reacting with, and since there is more than one heart emoji, there is not actual avoiding the problem
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tantek
I figure why not contribute to like inflation.
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tantek
collapse all the likes/loves/hearts into one
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tantek
basically, upgrade FB's thumbs to hearts
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tantek
as way of forcing convergence on their set
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ben_thatmustbeme
there are two different reaction emoji on facebook, you lose the distinction of a like vs a love
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ben_thatmustbeme
and then you get yourself in to the case of having to mandate exactly which emoji fall under which category
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ben_thatmustbeme
there are a lot of different smilies... are you going to go and collapse them all?
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tantek
that's my point about collapsing
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tantek
deliberate conflation of like/love into just heart
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ben_thatmustbeme
but you are taking away meaning from the poster. Intention. I chose heart to be the translation of "like" which is a little confusing now but still keeps the original person's intentions seperate. If you start collapsing you are basically losing the point to emoji reactions. Why not just collapse them all back to just likes
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gRegorLove
KartikPrabhu: I like how your likes are "liked [url] because" followed by your reasoning.
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KartikPrabhu
thanks! :)
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KartikPrabhu
I also have "replied to [url] with " :)
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: you could also argue that collapsing likes across silos / indieweb / reacji is also taking away meaning from the poster
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tantek
e.g. a heart like of a tweet likely carries different meaning / intention than a thumbs up like from FB
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tantek
so you've already made a lossy meaning collapsing decision in your current implementation
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tantek
my point is to simply take that one step further
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tantek
not *all* the way (collapse all to likes)
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tantek
anyway, it's a spectrum, I don't know what the precise right answer is, or if there even is one
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tantek
your intuition is likely better here since you've implemented, and I'm only thinking about it from how it looks and feels
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KartikPrabhu
gRegorLove: the inspiration for that was text first design
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ben_thatmustbeme
yeah, i don't think there is a right answer
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KartikPrabhu
it is a spectrum just like threaded comments
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ben_thatmustbeme
and yes, as soon as you convert a "like/heart" in the traditional sense you are changing the meaning of those
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gRegorLove
KartikPrabhu: Nice. I've only just ventured into likes recently. I'm showing a star glyph and the URL only so far.
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ben_thatmustbeme
but i want to preserve the meaning of actual reactions, and i care less about changing the meaning of generic likes
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KartikPrabhu
gRegorLove: yeah that is how I started, so some of the older ones don't have a "reasoning text"
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KartikPrabhu
should use this form of likes/replies in the Atom converted from h-feed
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tantek
pretty sure I'm doing that already in my Atom feed file
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tantek
providing the text fall back
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KartikPrabhu
yes possibly. I just haven't gotten around to doing that in hfeed2atom
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KartikPrabhu
it is good practice for sure
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KevinMarks1
they're adding a new black heart emoji to make up for making it red
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KevinMarks1
what is Most Unexceptional
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Most Unexceptional" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Mg
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KevinMarks1
is this some meme I missed?
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KevinMarks1
ah crap
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Loqi
uhoh
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KevinMarks1
losing my laptop re-enabled the downworthy plugin
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KevinMarks1
so 'best' became 'most unexceptional'
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kylewm
heheh, and what's up with all these articles about snake people?
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KevinMarks1
needs some mf2
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gRegorLove
Trying to figure out what my profile URL was, to see if my event history was saved
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KevinMarks1
if you can remember an event
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gRegorLove
Found it, thanks to machine tags on my Flickr
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Some clarification to the webmentions discussion" by Peter Shaw https://shawfactor.com/2013/08/12/some-clarification-to-the-webmentions-discussion/
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Thoughts on extending webmentions" by Peter Shaw https://shawfactor.com/2013/08/06/thoughts-on-extending-webmentions/
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KevinMarks1
do those anticipate salmentions?
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KevinMarks1
or indie-actions?
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@ChrisAldrich
@mjane_h It dawns on me that you might find the #IndieWeb Summit this weekend in your back yard to be interesting http://indiewebcamp.com/2016
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Loqi
[indieweb] "@mjane_h It dawns on me that you might find the #IndieWeb Summit this weekend in your back yard to be interesting http://indiewebcamp.com/2016" by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/mjane_h-it-dawns-on-me-that-you-might-find-the
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@linux_everyday
https://indieauth.com - Sign in with your domain name (using the rel-me-auth http://microformats.org/wiki/relmeauth protocol. #linux_everyday
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@jkphl
While @iwontsignuphere leaves for IndieWeb Summit Portland today, I'm showing solidarity by wearing my new shirt. :) https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/737889406485434372/photo/1
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kylewm
hey Teespring, where the heck is my shirt? You working on making sure all of Europe and Australia has theirs first?
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kylewm
also that's awesome that Julie is coming to IWS!
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KartikPrabhu
Teespring is done!
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gRegorLove
(and Washington state. Sorry, kylewm :)
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kylewm
actually slightly concerned, it looks like they were handed over to USPS about 20mi from here about a week ago
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KartikPrabhu
i predict that kylewm will get his t-shirt tomorrow
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kylewm
24 hours until kylewm's t-shirt
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Loqi
I added a countdown scheduled for 6/1 11:41pm (#5839)
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cweiske
10 minute until loqi kicks itself out of the channel
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Loqi
I added a countdown scheduled for 5/31 11:52pm (#5840)
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KartikPrabhu
Loqi: you should avoid self-referential paradoxes
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cweiske
5 billion years until the sun burns out
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Loqi
brain fart
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cweiske
5000 million years until the sun burns out
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Loqi
sorry, I can't do that
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cweiske
5000000 thousand years until the sun burns out
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Loqi
that doesn't make sense
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KartikPrabhu
cweiske: you are getting owned right now!
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cweiske
just trying to make sense of a non-visible user interface
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kylewm
Loqi++ for brain fart
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Loqi
Loqi has 399 karma
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KartikPrabhu
bots are the future, right Loqi?
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cweiske.de
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cweiske
I guess loqi does not take commands from itself
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KartikPrabhu
alright, I'm out! keep indieweb-ing, excelsior!
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gRegorLove
Loqi, what's the largest number?
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Loqi
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Loqi
Countdown set by cweiske on 5/31/16 at 11:42pm
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cweiske
in 3 minutes /quit bye bye
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cweiske
3 minutes until /quit bye bye
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Loqi
I added a countdown scheduled for 6/1 1:24am (#5841)
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colintedford.com
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Loqi
/quit bye bye
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cweiske
ah dang
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colintedford
what is an archive?
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Loqi
archive in the context of the indieweb refers to date-grouped (often monthly) sets of posts (AKA personal historical archives, a common form of navigation), but can sometimes mean archival copy, a copy of a web page made (often by someone other than the author) at a particular point in time https://indiewebcamp.com/archive
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Pierre-O
@aaronpk is it a good example of a successful community with a nice landing page: http://www.holacracy.org/ ?
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colintedford
Hey Loqi, who is cweiske?
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cweiske
0 minutes until test
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Loqi
I added a countdown scheduled for 6/1 1:37am (#5842)
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Loqi
test
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cweiske
0 minutes until test\ntest
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Loqi
I added a countdown scheduled for 6/1 1:38am (#5843)
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colintedford
OK, I was confused b/c Loqi didn't report my last wiki edit, but i think it's b/c I marked it as "minor".
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Loqi
test\ntest
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colintedford
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Loqi
investigates the minor edit
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cweiske
gives Loqi a newn%13line
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Loqi
investigates the newn%13line
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cweiske
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Loqi
hearts the new\n%13line
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colintedford
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Loqi
enjoys the new line of summer wear
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[chrisaldrich]
Tantek & ben_thatmustbeme: RE: likes/hearts/emoji convo (http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-31/line/1464748218705) - You might appreciate this research on miscommunication that was recently published about emoji meanings: http://grouplens.org/blog/investigating-the-potential-for-miscommunication-using-emoji/
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Loqi
[chrisaldrich]: tantek left you a message on 5/28 at 7:53am: re: "my issue is usually remembering the huge list of microformats to include", would love to chat about that to better understand it some time, hopefully to help make it easier. Context: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-20/line/1463806033428 http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-28/line/1464447178592
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Loqi
[chrisaldrich]: tantek left you a message on 5/28 at 9:18am: re: "Eventually the wiki will have too much in it for the common person to browse it and be able to get value for the types of choices they'd like to make.", it can be improved, e.g. like Wikipedia. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-28/line/1464452328673
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Loqi
Investigating the Potential for Miscommunication Using Emoji
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@hugoroyd
☕ Is there a way to use android Share functions for a Known instance? #Known #indieweb https://hugoroy.eu/2016/05/is-there-a-way-to-use-android-share-functions-for
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@RikMende
@Journalism2ls hello there, following you on Twitter and Facebook I noticed you push tweets to Facebook. Are you aware of #indieweb?
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ben_thatmustbeme
!tell Pierre-O, tantek, davidascher, ShaneHudson all set, you can rejoin that channel now
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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ShaneHudson
I was in the channel by accident heh, when I first set up my IRC stuff :)
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Loqi
ShaneHudson: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message 22 minutes ago: all set, you can rejoin that channel now http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-01/line/1464780194712
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@RikMende
@ChrisAldrich Yes this article drive you through one of the best way to do it #indieweb from mobile : … https://www.rmendes.net/2016/yes-this-article-drive-you-through-one-of-the-best
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Loqi
[Ben Roberts] We have a new house!
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ben_thatmustbeme
Hover over the hearts and you'll see the drop down
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cweiske
much better than listing them all in a long list that's visible by default
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ben_thatmustbeme
Right now I have profile links as image and permalink of like as name.... does it make sense to switch those?
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cweiske
I'd say yes
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cweiske
or add a single character link after the name linking to the post itself
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cweiske
[img] Username â­§
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ben_thatmustbeme
cweiske: I had thought of that as well. More of looking for thoughts on why. One way or another
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cweiske
I'd expect to be taken to the user's page when I click on the name or the image
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cweiske
and having the action post linked feels right, but is often not that important for "normal use"
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cweiske
thus the single character link
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ben_thatmustbeme
But it clutters things more
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cweiske
make the char greyish (not so visible)
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@RikMende
Wow @withknown now let's you pick a "homepage" from one of the existing pages #indieweb https://twitter.com/RikMende/status/738010080478519297/photo/1
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@kishorags
RT @kevinmarks http://mashable.com/2016/05/31/facebook-end-of-websites/ Facebook's design head says you only use 7 apps and 4 are his. Design for his silo. Or join the #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/738010682638110720)
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aaronpk
good morning!
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rMdes
afternoon !
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rMdes
good*
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ben_thatmustbeme
good morning aaronpk
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aaronpk
hopes ownyourgram is continuing to work for people
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Wow @withknown now let's you pick a "homepage" from one of the existing pages #indieweb" by Rick Mendes https://www.rmendes.net/2016/wow-withknown-now-lets-you-pick-a-homepage-from-one
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rMdes
aaronpk, just testing now...the last picture i got back on my site is from 10 days ago
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aaronpk
you could have been one of the unlucky ones for whom the realtime api was intermittently working
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aaronpk
but that won't matter anymore
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rMdes
I had two authorization request on my indiepub accounts page
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rMdes
removed both and reconnected once
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rMdes
will see if it lands on my site :)
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Jeena
Interesting HWC today, although only one person came so had we more indieweb discussions than most times when others who aren't really interested in that matter attended
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Jeena
And I learned that people who RSVP yes on meetup.com don't necessarily intend to show up
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Jeena
And I need to add that people should/can take their own computers with them, because then I can help them to start something right here.
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snarfed
holy crap, colintedford backfeeds manually? that's dedication. http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Colintedford.com##Backfeed
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snarfed
aaronpk: how's instagram scraping looking so far?
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tantek
snarfed, yeah I backfeed manually for some blog posts (i.e. substantial commentary replies/posts)
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Loqi
tantek: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message 5 hours, 33 minutes ago: all set, you can rejoin that channel now http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-01/line/1464780194712
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aaronpk
snarfed: so far so good! it's already sent several photos to people and everything looks the same as before!
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snarfed
yay! congrats!
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snarfed
aaronpk++
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Loqi
yay!
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Loqi
aaronpk has 149 karma
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gRegorLove
Good morning, indiewebcamp!
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PFMurph
hello!
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ben_thatmustbeme
morning gRegorLove
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[kevinmarks]
Instagram was crashing when I took a photo the other day (on android N) I'll try now
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aaronpk
not my fault :P
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gRegorLove
ben_thatmustbeme: Not sure about the reacji permalinks, but the text of the names could be lighter for better contrast in the hover thingy
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ben_thatmustbeme
thanks gRegorLove
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gRegorLove
I was looking at kylwm's likes the other day and it looks like he puts the permalink in a <data>
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[kevinmarks]
Still crashes when I take a photo. Works if I use gallery
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tantek
I'm likely going to put my u-uid in a data
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tantek
surrounding my PSCs
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gRegorLove
What is PSC?
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Loqi
A permashortcitation (or permashortid), abbreviated as PSC is a short non-hyperlinked citation to a post permalink, in contrast to a permashortlink which does hyperlink to a post http://indiewebcamp.com/PSC
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[kevinmarks]
Do I need to log into ownyourgram.com again, or is it a deferred crawl now?
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aaronpk
no need to log in again
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aaronpk
it runs every hour at *:30
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@ChrisAldrich
For example, @WordPress might add microformats2 & http://schema.org options to encourage developers to fill those niches #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/738057432346165248)
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[chrisaldrich]
snarfed: I was impressed by Conintedford too and was going to make some suggestions about easier backfeed on WordPress, but it appears he's moving away from the platform.
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snarfed
let a thousand flowers bloom
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Jeena
hehe gRegorLove Steve T is always fun :D
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[kevinmarks]
Ah, right. The nice thing about the web hook was the low latency
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[kevinmarks]
I'll check in a couple of minutes
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Loqi
[Kevin Marks] Lilies
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@ChrisAldrich
Congrats @raamdev for supporting microformats2 & better #IndieWeb comments in @WordPress Independent Publisher theme https://github.com/raamdev/independent-publisher
(twitter.com/_/status/738062878834446336)
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tantek
whoa cool!
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tantek
!tell Jeena did you get a photo of the two of you in Göteborg to add to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-06-01-homebrew-website-club#Photos ?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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miklb
[chrisaldrich] I'd suggest adding that theme to WP getting started page too.
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tantek
petermolnar: when you get a chance, can you start /2016/indieweb for your proposal(s) to switch to using "(#)indieweb(.org)" instead of "(#)indiewebcamp(.com)" for general indieweb purposes?
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Jeena
tantek, no I forgot the photo sadly
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[chrisaldrich]
miklb: will do
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Loqi
Jeena: tantek left you a message 6 minutes ago: did you get a photo of the two of you in Göteborg to add to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-06-01-homebrew-website-club#Photos ? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-01/line/1464803000213
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miklb
[chrisaldrich] I set up a WP site earlier this week, and suggesting/emphasizing mf2 support within a theme was an area that I see could use improvement.
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aaronpk
that's a nice looking theme
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tantek
which?
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gRegorLove
tantek: Did you see your upcoming.org archive?
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aaronpk
independent publisher
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Loqi
[Tantek Çelik] Removing the <s>…</s> tags from the link to my Upcoming.org/user/6623 profile in my sidebar.
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miklb
agreed
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snarfed1
hey aaronpk just out of curiosity, did you bother submitting OYG to instagram for approval?
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aaronpk
i knew i would have to rename it before they would even consider it
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snarfed1
heh fair
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aaronpk
apps can't have "gram" in the name
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boffosocko.com
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aaronpk
i didn't want to go to the trouble of getting a new domain and changing the name and such only for the hope that they will approve it
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tantek
!tell Pierre-o re: holacracy. Nope. Not a *community*, nor any actual evidence of *success* (more self-asserted marketing claims). That is however a typical example of the current fashion of sexy product site with big blocks of different color background you scroll through to approximate pages.
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi
Investigating the Potential for Miscommunication Using Emoji
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tantek
Yay HWC Brighton is happening!
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Loqi
giggles
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tantek
!tell adactio be sure to take a photo and add it to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-06-01-homebrew-website-club#Photos !
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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[chrisaldrich]
Independent Publisher is a really beautiful/modern WP theme somewhat in the vein of Medium.com with some flexible customizability. It also has the benefit of a custom comments.php template so that it better orders/displays comments, webmentions, pingbacks/trackbacks. I suspect that having more theme options like this will help out other generation 2 users.
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[kylewm]
tantek: relevant to Pierre-O (I think?), I always thought http://unhosted.org/ was an appealing landing page
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme++ for those sweet reacji dropdowns! Please add to /reacji#IndieWeb_Examples!
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Loqi
ben_thatmustbeme has 148 karma
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adactio
tantek: Already took a photo :-) https://adactio.com/notes/10747
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Loqi
[Jeremy Keith] Hacking away at Homebrew Website Club Brighton.
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tantek
aaronpk: can we add "Homebrew Website Club" to the Loqi superfeedr feed?
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tantek
so like adactio's photo post would show up here automatically? :D
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tantek
kylewm: nice example (unhosted), much cleaner and more serious looking than all the other marketing fluff ephemera out there. can you add it to https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/homepage ?
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ben_thatmustbeme
tantek: i already am listed there
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ben_thatmustbeme
just improving UI a little
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: yes, asking you to add to your listing, your UI improvement(s) with date(s), and even better, screenshots
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ben_thatmustbeme
screenshots would be really important, since the changes take effect on the old posts.
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ben_thatmustbeme
i'll have to do that when i get time, i'm at work really right now
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tantek
!tell cweiske if you really feel like stress-testing Loqi, perhaps consider doing so in #indiechat (offtopic chatter :) ) since that doesn't really have anything to do with indiewebcamp per se - thanks!
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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kylewm.com
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snarfed1
unhosted++ good people there
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Loqi
unhosted has 3 karma
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[kylewm]
PWA too close to PUA (pick-up artist) for my taste
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ben_thatmustbeme
KevinMarks: did you ever get mobilepub to run from the home screen icon?
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tantek
kylewm: huh, perhaps that's a motivation to re-acronym PUA to mean something else just to mediajam the google results ;)
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KevinMarks1
yes, I restarted the phone them chrome was happy again
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ben_thatmustbeme
although odd
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ben_thatmustbeme
also, does it give you syndicate-to options?
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ben_thatmustbeme
oh wow, looking at the micropub spec it has changed a LOT
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ben_thatmustbeme
yeah, i need to go through all that
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KevinMarks1
It didn't, but I'll check again - do I need to reauth?
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aaronpk
ben_thatmustbeme: it's changed a little, many times, very slowly :P
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aaronpk
but almost nothing about simple create posts has changed
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ben_thatmustbeme
KevinMarks: No, i have no idea which version of it known uses, so don't worry, i'll be updating it eventually
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ben_thatmustbeme
cool thing is that it just updates on its own as you use it
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@indiewebcamp
RT @tomwiththeweath looking forward to indieweb summit in portland this weekend! http://2016.indieweb.org
(twitter.com/_/status/738071527069868032)
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@indiewebcamp
RT @ChrisAldrich Congrats @raamdev for supporting microformats2 & better #IndieWeb comments in @WordPress Independent Publisher theme https://github.com/raamdev/independent-publisher
(twitter.com/_/status/738071786516975616)
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tantek
ok fine KevinMarks I will add that frag
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Liked “Sharing from the #IndieWeb on Mobile (Android) with Apps and @WithKnown” by Chris Aldrich" https://kylewm.com/2016/06/like-of-chris-aldrich-sharing-from-the-indieweb-on
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KevinMarks
It's a fragmention
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tantek
forgot that he had a fragmentions script running as well
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[kevinmarks]
Well, if you run with js off on your own site
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KevinMarks
I wonder if I can export that medium post into useful html
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KevinMarks
(posting giant android screengrabs is a bit mean)
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GWG
Afternoon
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@FEEZig
RT @ChrisAldrich Congrats @raamdev for supporting microformats2 & better #IndieWeb comments in @WordPress Independent Publisher theme https://github.com/raamdev/independent-publisher
(twitter.com/_/status/738080927667097601)
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@adriennefriend
@kylewmahan are you at PyCon? Or will you be at indieweb thing?
(twitter.com/_/status/738081310170742785)
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cleverdevil
snarfed: left an update on the instagram-to-atom issue, thanks for taking a look
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cleverdevil
tl;dr - seems like its mostly issues with Reader Self (https://readerself.com) at this point.
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snarfed
cleverdevil: ack. thanks!
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aaronpk
i'm a little disappointed that indieweb summit is already this weekend and i haven't had more time to work on the photo album support for p3k that i had sketched out in germany
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cleverdevil
sure thing :)
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cleverdevil
I just made the switch to readerself from another self-hosted aggregator with less of a community
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cleverdevil
hoping to avoid issues like this
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cleverdevil
and sure enough, I run into problems :)
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cleverdevil
that said, overall, readerself is pretty solid
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aaronpk
does it support microformats feeds?
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cleverdevil
haven't tried it :)
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tantek
cleverdevil, yeah, definitely try and see if supports h-feed
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tantek
I believe KartikPrabhu's site has h-feed only
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cleverdevil
mostly I just exported my opml from my prior platform and imported it (mostly) successfully.
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cleverdevil
goes to try
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cleverdevil
so, it imported, but so far I don't see any actual posts.
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cleverdevil
looks closer.
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gRegorLove
What is Reader Self?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Reader Self" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Mh
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cleverdevil
so it uses http://simplepie.org to do its RSS/Atom parsing.
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gRegorLove
Ah, well it *could* support h-feed then, if they update to 1.4 and add php-mf2
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cleverdevil
and now that I have fully refreshed, it does seem to have pulled posts from KartikPrabhu's feed
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gRegorLove
What is SimplePie?
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Loqi
SimplePie is a feed parser library written in PHP, which supports h-feed parsing as of version 1.4 https://indiewebcamp.com/SimplePie
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cleverdevil
let me see what version they are using
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gRegorLove
I think Kartik has an Atom feed generated from mf2
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gRegorLove
Yeah, he has Atom for homepage and Atom for Notes
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cleverdevil
but, I see no reference to "h-feed" in the source at all.
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gRegorLove
Yeah, Reader Self is just picking up his Atom feeds I'm guessing
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tantek
looks for another h-feed
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tantek
cleverdevil: here you go http://tantek.com/favelets/ :D
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cleverdevil
can also set up a readerself instance for anyone who wants to play
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cleverdevil
the joys of running a cloud ;)
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tantek
cleverdevil: it's served as text/html so the parser is supposed to handle that
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tantek
(i.e. nothing about that URL says "treat as draconian XML and fail"
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cleverdevil
I am guessing Reader Self doesn't know anything about h-feed.
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aaronpk
well if it's using simplepie, and simplepie supports h-feed, then it should be a minor PR to them :)
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cleverdevil
just need to find some bandwidth!
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cleverdevil
oh, and you know, dusting off my PHP skills from 15 years ago.
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cleverdevil
chuckles.
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aaronpk
15 years ago? better to forget all of that and start over :P
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cleverdevil
I'm good enough to take other people's starting points and generate things like - https://github.com/cleverdevil/Known-Reviews
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cleverdevil
aaronpk, yeah I noticed that when working on my Known plugins.
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cleverdevil
PHP has come a *looooong* way.
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cleverdevil
(its a good thing, too)
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gRegorLove
cleverdevil: Are you coming to the Summit this weekend?
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cleverdevil
sadly, I can't :(
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gRegorLove
I might be trying to switch from StartSSL to Lets Encrypt on Dreamhost at the Summit.
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gRegorLove
SimplePie only supports h-feed if php-mf2 is also included
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gRegorLove
Still a simple PR if Reader Self is using composer, but might need some convincing of the devs too
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tantek
cleverdevil: can you remote participate?
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cleverdevil
tantek: maybe?
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cleverdevil
is there a way to do that?
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hm1
TWiG in 5 minutes
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KevinMarks
seem to be too many of me
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KevinMarks
4 minutes until TWiG
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Loqi
I added a countdown scheduled for 6/1 1:30pm (#5844)
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KevinMarks
apart from HWC and IWC, anything else to trumpet?
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aaronpk
cleverdevil: we'll be streaming the intros and demos, and at least two of the rooms will have google hangouts sessions
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KevinMarks
wapo.com/pwa is rather good. Mind you, a lot of that goodness is them not having ads, but the AMP/PWA combo works
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ben_thatmustbeme
been a while since i've watched TWiG actually
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tantek
KevinMarks: Webmention CR
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tantek
and IndieWeb Summit
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aaronpk
Webmention CR means we're actively looking for people to implement it and provide feedback and submit an implementation report
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tantek
and there's an awesome test suite at webmention.rocks
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aaronpk
hm i should do a blog post
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tantek
definitely.
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ben_thatmustbeme
oh yeah, webmention CR, def
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gRegorLove
cleverdevil: And IRC as always. We've had people work on stuff on create day and then someoen on-site can demo for you.
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tantek
what is remote participation?
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Loqi
remote participation refers to good practices for enabling people to take part in IndieWebCamp events at a different location and collaboration across locations https://indiewebcamp.com/remote_participation
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tantek
what is IndieWeb Summit?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "IndieWeb Summit" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Mi
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tantek
IndieWeb Summit is /2016
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loqi.me
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tantek
what is IndieWeb Summit remote participation?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "IndieWeb Summit remote participation" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Mj
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tantek
IndieWeb Summit remote participation is /2016/Guest_List#Remote_Participants
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tantek
cleverdevil: ^^^ add yourself to /2016/Guest_List#Remote_Participants
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willnorris
aaronpk, kylewm: so after I get both of you to add jsonp support to your live microformat parsers :-\ ..... I'm realizing now the proper way to do this would have been to add a CORS header so that it works with the new-ish window.fetch API. Any chance of ya'll doing that? (Can certainly wait until this weekend). If you're comfortable with it, adding "Access-Control-Allow-Origin: *" to responses would be
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willnorris
the easiest thing (but also wide open to anyone hitting your endpoints... not sure if that's a concern for you)
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willnorris
s/get/got/
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aaronpk
hah sure. i was kind of wondering why you didn't ask that in the first place :)
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willnorris
not really thinking :)
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aaronpk
i always assume other people know more about front-end javascript than myself
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willnorris
also haven't done frontend devlepment in quite a long time
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ben_thatmustbeme
i just always assume people aren't going to add the CORS header
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ben_thatmustbeme
So i always end up working around it
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willnorris
ben_thatmustbeme: yeah, there's that too :)
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snarfed
double checks that granary and bridgy set CORS
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@calum_ryan
Here's how I added geolocation and live weather data linked to my posts – https://calumryan.com/learning/publishing-weather-in-posts/ #indieweb
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aaronpk
that's so cool
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Liked this tweet: Calum Ryan on Twitter: &#8220;Here&#8217;s how I added geolocation and live weather data linked to my posts – https://t.co/lXqagKUaDW #indieweb&#8221;" by Scott Kingery http://techlifeweb.com/14094-2/
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tantek.com
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[kevinmarks]
Kevinmarks.com is h-feed only
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[kevinmarks]
Webmention rocks links to the cr, right?
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willnorris
so I temporarily got around the CORS problem by running everything through a reverse proxy on my server the time being :) Now pure javascript with no dependencies: http://willnorris.net/mf2compare/?url=http://tantek.com/ (still some flexbox weirdness not sizing the sections evenly)
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@posthuman
Can't possibly compare to drawbacks of being Fish in a Barrel (FB). Nope. Don't care. @indiewebcamp or bust #tytlive https://twitter.com/TheYoungTurks/status/738117955016228864
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pfefferle
willnorris the link does not work
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willnorris
how so? what are you seeing?
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pfefferle
nothing :)
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pfefferle
only the form
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pfefferle
that does not work either
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pfefferle
but I get a JS type error
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willnorris
what browser? (I've tested latest chrome and firefox) what's the error?
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aaronpk
huh, searchParams is not defined for me
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pfefferle
willnorris TypeError: undefined is not an object (evaluating 'new URL(window.location).searchParams.get')
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aaronpk
new URL(window.location).searchParams
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aaronpk
chrome osx for me too
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willnorris
bummer. was really hoping I could use that. maybe I'm no a new chrome build?
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willnorris
ah, I'm on Chrome beta (version 51). dern
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pfefferle
oh sorry, I am using safari
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willnorris
alright, I'll have to find another way to parse the URL
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willnorris
to be fair, https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/URL did warn that it was experimental :)
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@posthuman
Can't possibly compare to drawbacks being Fish in a Barrel (FB). Nope. Don't care. @indiewebcamp or bust. #tytlive https://twitter.com/TheYoungTurks/status/738117955016228864
(twitter.com/_/status/738127473259479040)
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pfefferle
willnorris a bit hacky, but...
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tantek
whoa pfefferle !!!
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tantek
welcome back :D
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pfefferle
hey tantek
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tantek
waits for GWG to wake up :)
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pfefferle
I finally got my internat running after 8 weeks
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tantek
those darn internats
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tantek
I stick with one level of NAT
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pfefferle
I meant internet
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snarfed
willnorris: cors proxies are the best! eg https://crossorigin.me/
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[kylewm]
tantek: kevinmarks: I don’t think I’ll make it over to Moz tonight. short week, trying to finish up stuff before Friday!
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[kevinmarks]
That's a shame.
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[kevinmarks]
No portland tonight?
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[kevinmarks]
Can someone edit it out of the homepage
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[kevinmarks]
As I'm about to send traffic
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[kevinmarks]
Ok indiewebcamp.com and webmention.rocks plugged
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KevinMarks
So we could add that to Stacey's site
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willnorris
pfefferle: that lists basically zero browser compatibility
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Support Featured Image (and other common WordPress functionality) · Issue #24 · snarfed/wordpress-micropub https://github.com/snarfed/wordpress-micropub/issues/24
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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tantek
willnorris: very cool!
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tantek
willnorris: what do you think about a [x] Sort Keys option, since that shouldn't semantically change the JSON, but will make it easier to side-by-side compare
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[chrisaldrich]
!tell GWG While on vacation, I ran across https://wordpress.org/plugins/wp-crosspost/ which you might(?) find interesting/useful for code relating to editing/updating posts??
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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willnorris
yeah, sorting keys, turning certain libraries on or off, reordering results so you can see certain ones side by side, using something like https://github.com/kpdecker/jsdiff to view diffs... all things that'd be great to do
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kylewm
Because I don't know this stuff, is cors better than jsonp in this case because jsonp is basically an ugly hack?
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@kylewmahan
@adriennefriend I'll be at the IndieWeb camp this weekend. Will you still be in PDX?
(twitter.com/_/status/738155795108401154)
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willnorris
kylewm: basically yes. jQuery makes it reasonable to work with by puttting a pretty veneer over it, but I was trying to get rid of the jQuery dependency
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willnorris
and it's still just a pretty veneer over an ugly hack. CORS is a proper solution to dealing with the cross origin limitation
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kylewm
I'm happy to add the headers... shouldn't possibly hurt anything since there's no session or login stuff going oh
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willnorris
cool, thanks
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