#indieweb 2016-07-06

2016-07-06 UTC
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@ChrisAldrich
@kevinmarks Wishing I'd had time to chat w/ @jayrosen_nyu about https://indieweb.org/ before his appearance on @CharlieRoseShow tonight.
(twitter.com/_/status/750479608202469376)
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[shaners]
aaronpk: are the non-main channels wired up to slack already or is that a todo still?
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aaronpk
still a todo. tied to the same system as the web chat is
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[shaners]
just curious
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aaronpk
yeah, ran out of time yesterday and had to make some cuts in the plan.
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Loqi
[indieweb] "#indieweb "We’ve come to love the convenience of the centralized web, but we’ve failed to recognize how much we now have to ask permission." http://www.fastcompany.com/3061357/the-web-decentralized-distributed-open" by Grant Potter http://known.networkeffects.ca/2016/indieweb-weve-come-to-love-the-convenience-of-the-centralized
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tantek
cutsintheplan++
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Loqi
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[kevinmarks]
Hugo looks interesting
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@CaptainKurtis
Look ma! I'm posting own my very own website & syndicating it to Twitter! https://FreeKurt.com Thx so much @withknown & #indiewebcamp!
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[shurcool]
congrats on https://indieweb.org/! looks great.
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aaronpk
still experimenting :)
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aaronpk
gotta add the logo back now :)
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aaronpk
what i really want is the color backgrounds to be full width but the content centered
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GWG
aaronpk: Are you focused on that page....? I have a Micropub question.
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GWG
I can come back later
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aaronpk
go for it
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miklb
aaronpk that's very doable
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GWG
Reading the specification about syndication targets. I see they've moved to JSON since I last looked.
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GWG
And there are all these optional properties.
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GWG
I assume Quill supports all of these?
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aaronpk
i think quill actually only uses the name right now, no icon yet
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GWG
What about service/user?
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aaronpk
(might need to hard refresh)
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miklb
cool. Was starting to dig into the CSS :-)
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aaronpk
GWG: oh it looks like quill uses the icon and name right now, but not service/user
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GWG
aaronpk: What about the UID?
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aaronpk
the uid is the value that gets passed back to the micropub endpoint so yes
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GWG
Originally, the query was form encoded, and now it is JSON encoded, so I'm trying to figure out how to make that work in the WordPress plugin
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pfefferle
good morning
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mblaney
aaronpk: your new chat subdomain might be too friendly to random urls, ie: https://chat.indieweb.org/anything
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mblaney
they should probably 404 otherwise it might look like we support some pretty niche chat groups....
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mblaney
(I was having fun making up names, but decided not to post those for the log to link to ;-) )
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petermolnar
such modern. many colours. such wow.
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petermolnar
but it's nice :)
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petermolnar
I mean the new layout of indieweb.org; I forgot to mention that
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KevinMarks1
some very low contrast scores on the new homepage
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KevinMarks1
if you kept the text black on those colours the contrast is much better
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@jkphl
Today starting at 18:00 @tollwerk: Homebrew Website Club Nuremberg https://indieweb.org/events/2016-07-06-homebrew-website-club Don't forget to bring sth to put on the BBQ ;)
(twitter.com/_/status/750621063990669312)
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rMdes
wow nice refresher : http://indieweb.org/
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KevinMarks1
trying to make white work on those saturated colours is hard
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adactio
Heads-up: I'm booking 68 Middle Street in Brighton for Indie Web Camp on September 24th and 25th. Keep those dates free in your diaries!
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Loqi
adactio: tantek left you a message 16 hours, 32 minutes ago: could you confirm 2016-09-24..25 for IWC Brighton and that you have venue etc.? I can start wikifying the event page etc. to help with that if you like. https://indieweb.org/2016/UK
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adactio
Loqi: tell tantek those dates are confirmed for Indie Web Camp Brighton (September 24th and 25th). Let's wikify it up!
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Loqi
who, me?
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petermolnar
adactio do you happen to know any reasonably priced accommodations for that one night?
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adactio
petermolnar: AirBnB is probably your best bet. Otherwise maybe a B&B in the Kemptown area.
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petermolnar
ok, thank you
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voxpelli
adactio: looking forward to it!
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cweiske
does somebody here maintain a "done list" with achievements of each day?
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GWG
Morning
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voxpelli
Posted some small thoughts after yesterdays very brief indieweb task manager discussions: http://voxpelli.com/social/2016/07/76599/
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voxpelli
(Trying to get into posting some more thoughts on my own site)
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lukasros_
Hello new IRC channel!
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lukasros_
I tried joining through indieweb.org/irc, it didn't let me chat but now blocks my nick of freenode.
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lukasros_
I assume that times out after a while?!
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rMdes
yes it should
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voxpelli
huh, I thought that page had been superseded by https://chat.indieweb.org/2016-07-06, but maybe the old one remains as well?
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rMdes
it's work in progress
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rMdes
aaronpk, on it
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voxpelli
rMdes: right, had missed the redirect part there
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rMdes
btw, just replied to your post voxpelli
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rMdes
funny when I click your "like" button I'm redirect to share you post on G+
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rMdes
& the reshare sends me to twitter..I guess the furure would allow us to have web action like this but with our own site?
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voxpelli
rMdes: yeah, the fallbacks could be better – you should set up indie-config so that you cen user your own site with them :)
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rMdes
what is indie-config ?
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Loqi
indie-config is a method of using protocol handlers and postmessage to setup your indie website to both notify the browser that it can handle webactions and then do so https://indieweb.org/indie-config
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voxpelli
hmm, can't see http://voxpelli.com/demo/indie-config/ mentioned there, needs to add that
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gRegorLove
rMdes, voxpelli: re: that etherpad, I think they're preferring github issues now. etherpad was just for the day-of on July 4
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rMdes
digging indie-config
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voxpelli
is looking forward to the day his swat0 will be complete + his webmention pinging will be automatic
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miklb
voxpelli we should probably add Jekyll to this page, yes? https://indieweb.org/Projects
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miklb
oh, it's down below in the under construction section.
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miklb
needs to start documenting all the spots Jekyll is listed and organize them
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voxpelli
miklb: seems to be there, but be outdated, but yes! https://indieweb.org/Projects#Jekyll
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voxpelli
miklb: I've made good progress on the app.json btw, have everything configured through env variables locally now
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miklb
voxpelli yes, I saw it down below in the under construction section after I typed that.
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miklb
sweet
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voxpelli
miklb: a good goal for us to reach: be able to move it up :)
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miklb
👍
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miklb
gRegorLove cool. That will be a good place to start!
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miklb
I'll admit, was disappointed the talk pages were dropped again. Was planning on using it to organize updates. Is it just hidden?
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gRegorLove
Hidden by CSS, but I don't think you'll find many others using them. Chat is preferred, then capture that on the wiki pages.
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gRegorLove
I think there's an FAQ somewhere.
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miklb
heh, tantek argued against using chat just the other day :-P
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gRegorLove
context?
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miklb
perhaps not same context
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miklb
Mostly I'd like to be able to organize/dump thoughts and then get help to wkify/format
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miklb
s/wkify/wikify/
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Loqi
miklb meant to say: Mostly I'd like to be able to organize/dump thoughts and then get help to wikify/format
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gRegorLove
Gotcha. A "Brainstorming" section can be good for that and is definitely welcome on pages.
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aaronpk
yeah the talk pages are almost too "out of the way"
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gRegorLove
I've also made copies of pages under my user page sometimes, to work on big changes to them.
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aaronpk
a brainstorming section is the best bet for quickly dumping thoughts, and then can pull out bits of it and give it more structure later
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miklb
needs a "how to think like a wiki" class
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miklb
gRegorLove++
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Loqi
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miklb
forgot you can add pages under your user
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gRegorLove
Oops, guess it's redirected to the original now.
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gRegorLove
But yeah, the history is there
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gRegorLove
"how to think like a wiki" means there's lots of rooms for improvement. :) we shouldn't expect people to learn to think like a wiki, hehe
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gRegorLove
By-and-large, don't feel timid about editing a page, even if the formatting isn't perfect. The community will clean it up.
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tantek
yay IWC Brighton 2016!
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tantek
!tell adactio you need to bang your tell, like banging your important in CSS
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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adactio
!tell tantek I *never* use important in my CSS. ;-)
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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tantek
like !never? ;)
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@jkphl
Awesome! 8 ppl hacking on their website @ Homebrew Website Club Nuremberg. Later: BBQ ... \o/ #indieweb https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/750733248356024320/photo/1
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tantek
jkphl++ nice work!
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Loqi
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[shaners]
aaronpk: indieweb.org looks much better. Good work improving it this much within the bounds of wikimedia.
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aaronpk
thanks!
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[shaners]
omiglob. so many inline styles. ZOINKS!
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aaronpk
heh yeah. we can refactor later. easier to preview changes using inline styles.
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tantek
all about what enables incremental and iterative development within the community
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tantek
(more important than code purity FWIW)
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aaronpk
i had to do the linkstyles on common.css for example. it would make sense to consolidate some of the other things there after it's settled down a bit.
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tantek
how much of it can go in that custom Special: styles page?
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aaronpk
probably all of it if we start using class names like .light-orange-background and such
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[shaners]
alternately, it can go into a [raw][style] block at the top of this page.
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tantek
runs away from the presentational class names
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[shaners]
That way, it’s only being loaded for the homepage.
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aaronpk
[shaners]: there's already that at the bottom of the page
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aaronpk
heh great more opportunities for bikeshedding
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KartikPrabhu
the orange background is very jarring
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KartikPrabhu
I would stick with the white and yellow for backgrounds
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aaronpk
rolls eyes
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aaronpk
let's just go back to white background for everything
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KartikPrabhu
i do like the sectioning using backgrounds
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KartikPrabhu
in any case, not a strong opinion
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colintedford
Great progress on the homepage!
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tantek
at some point when the "strong objections" have subsided or been addressed, it's probably worth letting it "sit" for like 48 hours and see if the lighter objections / irks fade with "getting used to it"
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tantek
I forget what the name of the phenomenon is, but there's a thing where people familar with some UI tend to have a short-term "freak out" response to nearly any change
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tantek
which fades fairly quickly with use
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aaronpk
i think that's called the Facebook Effect
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tantek
the key is to filter out which objections stay vs. fade - hard to tell without allowing it to "sit"
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tantek
there's only one "Facebook Effect"?!?
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tantek
I thought that was the "because all my friends are there" effect
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aaronpk
Facebook Effect 2b subparagraph 7
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colintedford
The "Facebook Effect" I've read about is the one where social networking accentuates depression b/c everyone else mainly shares "my life is good" stuff. :)
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tantek
interesting - I've heard that called the "highlights reel" effect
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KartikPrabhu
what's the name for the phenomena where people discuss (possibly multiple) names of phenomena
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colintedford
That's a better name for it.
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aaronpk
KartikPrabhu++
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Loqi
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gRegorLove
KartikPrabhu: phenomenon-andon-andon
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@benwerd
This completely nails it. (And I think I'll subscribe to The Information now.) https://twitter.com/amir/status/750760849459908608 #opensource #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/750761747384967169)
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Loqi
[indieweb] "This completely nails it. (And I think I'll subscribe to The Information now.) https://twitter.com/amir/status/750760849459908608 #opensource #indieweb" by Ben Werdmüller http://werd.io/2016/this-completely-nails-it-and-i-think-ill-subscribe-to
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bear
is the new home page kinda set - I want to give it the "does it work for colour bind folks" test
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tantek
bear - I believe the new home page is in various stages of active iteration
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aaronpk
i can live with the new colors but i would still prefer to have one saturated color block with white text, however that makes sense
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tantek
first I did my best to copy-edit (content-first design, a well known methodology, see AEA talks etc.)
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tantek
then I did some white-space tweaking and further copy-edit tweaks for some layout improvements
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bear
I just saw a few combinations earlier that hurt my eyes so I wanted to double check
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tantek
second, colintedford, aaronpk, gRegorLove have been iterating on the design, including colors
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bear
the current set of colours is very pleasant and functional - so +1 to that work
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gRegorLove
What's AEA?
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KartikPrabhu
An Event Apart
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voxpelli
Just released very simple simple way to deploy a Micropub endpoint for Jekyll to Heroku: https://github.com/voxpelli/webpage-micropub-to-github#on-heroku Yay!
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Loqi
does a happy dance!
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voxpelli
Also: Finally released the Micropub endpoint for Jekyll! miklb will be thrilled :)
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bear
voxpelli++
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Loqi
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sknebel
voxpelli++ linked on the wiki already?
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Loqi
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voxpelli
sknebel: just added it to the Micropub page, will add it to the Jekyll page as well now I think
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sknebel
oh, right, Loqi now posts in -dev...
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Loqi
grins profusely
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KevinMarks1
Having one white on colour block is fine, as long as the block is dark enough
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voxpelli
so needs to start naming things and not continue with these generic names...
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KevinMarks1
You namw things by keyword?
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voxpelli
KevinMarks1: New project: "Micropub-to-GitHub", old one "A WebMention Endpoint"
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voxpelli
went under the codename of "A Micropub Endpoint"
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KevinMarks1
Could you use Swedish words?
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voxpelli
yeah, good idea, I guess I mostly just need to get into the mindset of giving names to things
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@voxpelli
Just published an early version of a Micropub endpoint (an IndieWeb CRUD API) that can commit posts to a Jekyll site https://github.com/voxpelli/webpage-micropub-to-github
(twitter.com/_/status/750779792493056000)
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@jkphl
@loicmathaud that we meet and help each other hacking on our own personal sites, applying #indieweb features & all kinds of tinkering.
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@jkphl
@loicmathaud If you're interest in running a HWC you might want to have a look at https://indieweb.org/Homebrew_Website_Club#Structure It's all but rocket science. ;)
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@egoexpress
Hacked together my first small @withknown plugin at todays Homebrew Website Club Nuremberg. https://github.com/egoexpress/known-smallheader #indieweb #hwc
(twitter.com/_/status/750790413108191232)
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@AlexSchleber
See the Alan Kay reply on this AMA thread here: ( #indieweb food for thought; /cc @kevinmarks ) https://twitter.com/ibdknox/status/745676925583056896
(twitter.com/_/status/750799915782070273)
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snarfed
KevinMarks you may be interested in https://en.support.wordpress.com/recipes/
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snarfed
(also on self hosted wp w/jetpack)
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KevinMarks
Hm. What's the betting that injects schema instead of h-recipe
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aaronpk
it says it does, but i didn't see any schema.org in the example
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aaronpk
kylewm: does silo.pub know how to send emoji responses to github?
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@brian_bilston
IN A PARALLEL UNIVERSE* There is parallel parking for all cars and gymnasts drink in parallel bars. *this poem was sent by parallelogram
(twitter.com/_/status/750821768038940672)
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KevinMarks1
parallelogram would be a good name for a POSSE service
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KevinMarks1
hm, there is an hrecipe class on https://en.support.wordpress.com/recipes/
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KevinMarks1
but no properties
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KevinMarks1
not sure where the code for this is; jetpack isn't open source
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KevinMarks1
how about we don't install tracking http://www.commitstrip.com/en/2016/07/06/facing-the-truth/
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snarfed
KevinMarks: yes jetpack is open source, https://github.com/Automattic/jetpack/
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aaronpk
whoever sends a PR to add microformats to that, be sure to add tests :)
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tantek
!tell adactio,Jeena,aaronpk,kylewm,gRegorLove HWC is only a week away! Could you add an indie event and FB POSSE copy for your city? Thanks! https://indieweb.org/events/2016-07-13-homebrew-website-club#RSVP
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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