#indieweb 2016-07-06

2016-07-06 UTC
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@ChrisAldrich @kevinmarks Wishing I'd had time to chat w/ @jayrosen_nyu about https://indieweb.org/ before his appearance on @CharlieRoseShow tonight. (twitter.com/_/status/750479608202469376)
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[shaners] aaronpk: are the non-main channels wired up to slack already or is that a todo still?
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aaronpk still a todo. tied to the same system as the web chat is
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[shaners] kk
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[shaners] just curious
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aaronpk yeah, ran out of time yesterday and had to make some cuts in the plan.
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Loqi [indieweb] "#indieweb "We’ve come to love the convenience of the centralized web, but we’ve failed to recognize how much we now have to ask permission." http://www.fastcompany.com/3061357/the-web-decentralized-distributed-open" by Grant Potter http://known.networkeffects.ca/2016/indieweb-weve-come-to-love-the-convenience-of-the-centralized
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tantek cutsintheplan++
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Loqi cutsintheplan has 1 karma
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[kevinmarks] Hugo looks interesting
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@CaptainKurtis Look ma! I'm posting own my very own website & syndicating it to Twitter! https://FreeKurt.com Thx so much @withknown & #indiewebcamp! (twitter.com/_/status/750536419307847681)
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[shurcool] congrats on https://indieweb.org/! looks great.
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aaronpk still experimenting :)
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aaronpk gotta add the logo back now :)
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aaronpk what i really want is the color backgrounds to be full width but the content centered
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GWG aaronpk: Are you focused on that page....? I have a Micropub question.
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GWG I can come back later
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aaronpk go for it
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miklb aaronpk that's very doable
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GWG Reading the specification about syndication targets. I see they've moved to JSON since I last looked.
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GWG And there are all these optional properties.
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GWG I assume Quill supports all of these?
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aaronpk i think quill actually only uses the name right now, no icon yet
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GWG What about service/user?
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aaronpk miklb: got it! https://indieweb.org/
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aaronpk (might need to hard refresh)
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miklb cool. Was starting to dig into the CSS :-)
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aaronpk GWG: oh it looks like quill uses the icon and name right now, but not service/user
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GWG aaronpk: What about the UID?
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aaronpk the uid is the value that gets passed back to the micropub endpoint so yes
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GWG Originally, the query was form encoded, and now it is JSON encoded, so I'm trying to figure out how to make that work in the WordPress plugin
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pfefferle good morning
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mblaney aaronpk: your new chat subdomain might be too friendly to random urls, ie: https://chat.indieweb.org/anything
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mblaney they should probably 404 otherwise it might look like we support some pretty niche chat groups....
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mblaney (I was having fun making up names, but decided not to post those for the log to link to ;-) )
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petermolnar such modern. many colours. such wow.
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petermolnar but it's nice :)
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petermolnar I mean the new layout of indieweb.org; I forgot to mention that
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KevinMarks1 some very low contrast scores on the new homepage
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KevinMarks1 http://leaverou.github.io/contrast-ratio/#%23feeacc-on-%23ff7171 - 2.3
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KevinMarks1 http://leaverou.github.io/contrast-ratio/#%23fff3e1-on-%23ffa371 1.8
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KevinMarks1 if you kept the text black on those colours the contrast is much better
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KevinMarks1 http://leaverou.github.io/contrast-ratio/#black-on-%23ffa371 10.7
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@jkphl Today starting at 18:00 @tollwerk: Homebrew Website Club Nuremberg https://indieweb.org/events/2016-07-06-homebrew-website-club Don't forget to bring sth to put on the BBQ ;) (twitter.com/_/status/750621063990669312)
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rMdes wow nice refresher : http://indieweb.org/
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KevinMarks1 trying to make white work on those saturated colours is hard
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adactio Heads-up: I'm booking 68 Middle Street in Brighton for Indie Web Camp on September 24th and 25th. Keep those dates free in your diaries!
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Loqi adactio: tantek left you a message 16 hours, 32 minutes ago: could you confirm 2016-09-24..25 for IWC Brighton and that you have venue etc.? I can start wikifying the event page etc. to help with that if you like. https://indieweb.org/2016/UK
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adactio Loqi: tell tantek those dates are confirmed for Indie Web Camp Brighton (September 24th and 25th). Let's wikify it up!
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Loqi who, me?
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petermolnar adactio do you happen to know any reasonably priced accommodations for that one night?
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adactio petermolnar: AirBnB is probably your best bet. Otherwise maybe a B&B in the Kemptown area.
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petermolnar ok, thank you
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voxpelli adactio: looking forward to it!
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cweiske does somebody here maintain a "done list" with achievements of each day?
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GWG Morning
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voxpelli Posted some small thoughts after yesterdays very brief indieweb task manager discussions: http://voxpelli.com/social/2016/07/76599/
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voxpelli (Trying to get into posting some more thoughts on my own site)
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lukasros_ Hello new IRC channel!
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lukasros_ I tried joining through indieweb.org/irc, it didn't let me chat but now blocks my nick of freenode.
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lukasros_ I assume that times out after a while?!
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rMdes yes it should
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lukasros_ Ok.
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voxpelli huh, I thought that page had been superseded by https://chat.indieweb.org/2016-07-06, but maybe the old one remains as well?
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rMdes it's work in progress
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rMdes voxpelli, https://etherpad.indieweb.org/indieweb.org
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rMdes aaronpk, on it
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voxpelli rMdes: right, had missed the redirect part there
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rMdes btw, just replied to your post voxpelli
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rMdes funny when I click your "like" button I'm redirect to share you post on G+
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rMdes & the reshare sends me to twitter..I guess the furure would allow us to have web action like this but with our own site?
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voxpelli rMdes: yeah, the fallbacks could be better – you should set up indie-config so that you cen user your own site with them :)
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rMdes what is indie-config ?
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Loqi indie-config is a method of using protocol handlers and postmessage to setup your indie website to both notify the browser that it can handle webactions and then do so https://indieweb.org/indie-config
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voxpelli hmm, can't see http://voxpelli.com/demo/indie-config/ mentioned there, needs to add that
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gRegorLove rMdes, voxpelli: re: that etherpad, I think they're preferring github issues now. etherpad was just for the day-of on July 4
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gRegorLove https://github.com/indieweb/wiki/issues
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rMdes digging indie-config
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voxpelli is looking forward to the day his swat0 will be complete + his webmention pinging will be automatic
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miklb voxpelli we should probably add Jekyll to this page, yes? https://indieweb.org/Projects
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miklb oh, it's down below in the under construction section.
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miklb needs to start documenting all the spots Jekyll is listed and organize them
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voxpelli miklb: seems to be there, but be outdated, but yes! https://indieweb.org/Projects#Jekyll
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voxpelli miklb: I've made good progress on the app.json btw, have everything configured through env variables locally now
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miklb voxpelli yes, I saw it down below in the under construction section after I typed that.
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miklb sweet
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voxpelli miklb: a good goal for us to reach: be able to move it up :)
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miklb 👍
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gRegorLove miklb, voxpelli: http://indieweb.org/Special:WhatLinksHere/Jekyll
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miklb gRegorLove cool. That will be a good place to start!
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miklb I'll admit, was disappointed the talk pages were dropped again. Was planning on using it to organize updates. Is it just hidden?
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gRegorLove Hidden by CSS, but I don't think you'll find many others using them. Chat is preferred, then capture that on the wiki pages.
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gRegorLove I think there's an FAQ somewhere.
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miklb heh, tantek argued against using chat just the other day :-P
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gRegorLove context?
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miklb perhaps not same context
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miklb Mostly I'd like to be able to organize/dump thoughts and then get help to wkify/format
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miklb s/wkify/wikify/
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Loqi miklb meant to say: Mostly I'd like to be able to organize/dump thoughts and then get help to wikify/format
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gRegorLove Gotcha. A "Brainstorming" section can be good for that and is definitely welcome on pages.
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miklb ok
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aaronpk yeah the talk pages are almost too "out of the way"
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gRegorLove I've also made copies of pages under my user page sometimes, to work on big changes to them.
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gRegorLove e.g. http://indieweb.org/User:Gregorlove.com/Getting_Started
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aaronpk a brainstorming section is the best bet for quickly dumping thoughts, and then can pull out bits of it and give it more structure later
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miklb needs a "how to think like a wiki" class
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miklb gRegorLove++
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Loqi gRegorLove has 74 karma
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miklb forgot you can add pages under your user
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gRegorLove Oops, guess it's redirected to the original now.
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gRegorLove But yeah, the history is there
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gRegorLove "how to think like a wiki" means there's lots of rooms for improvement. :) we shouldn't expect people to learn to think like a wiki, hehe
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gRegorLove By-and-large, don't feel timid about editing a page, even if the formatting isn't perfect. The community will clean it up.
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tantek yay IWC Brighton 2016!
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tantek !tell adactio you need to bang your tell, like banging your important in CSS
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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adactio !tell tantek I *never* use important in my CSS. ;-)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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tantek like !never? ;)
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@jkphl Awesome! 8 ppl hacking on their website @ Homebrew Website Club Nuremberg. Later: BBQ ... \o/ #indieweb https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/750733248356024320/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/750733248356024320)
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tantek jkphl++ nice work!
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Loqi jkphl has 16 karma
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[shaners] aaronpk: indieweb.org looks much better. Good work improving it this much within the bounds of wikimedia.
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aaronpk thanks!
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[shaners] omiglob. so many inline styles. ZOINKS!
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aaronpk heh yeah. we can refactor later. easier to preview changes using inline styles.
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tantek yep
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tantek all about what enables incremental and iterative development within the community
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tantek (more important than code purity FWIW)
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aaronpk i had to do the linkstyles on common.css for example. it would make sense to consolidate some of the other things there after it's settled down a bit.
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tantek how much of it can go in that custom Special: styles page?
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aaronpk probably all of it if we start using class names like .light-orange-background and such
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[shaners] alternately, it can go into a [raw][style] block at the top of this page.
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tantek runs away from the presentational class names
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[shaners] That way, it’s only being loaded for the homepage.
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aaronpk [shaners]: there's already that at the bottom of the page
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[shaners] great
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aaronpk heh great more opportunities for bikeshedding
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KartikPrabhu the orange background is very jarring
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KartikPrabhu I would stick with the white and yellow for backgrounds
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aaronpk rolls eyes
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aaronpk let's just go back to white background for everything
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KartikPrabhu i do like the sectioning using backgrounds
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KartikPrabhu in any case, not a strong opinion
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tantek lol
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colintedford Great progress on the homepage!
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tantek at some point when the "strong objections" have subsided or been addressed, it's probably worth letting it "sit" for like 48 hours and see if the lighter objections / irks fade with "getting used to it"
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tantek I forget what the name of the phenomenon is, but there's a thing where people familar with some UI tend to have a short-term "freak out" response to nearly any change
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tantek which fades fairly quickly with use
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aaronpk i think that's called the Facebook Effect
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tantek the key is to filter out which objections stay vs. fade - hard to tell without allowing it to "sit"
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tantek lol
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tantek there's only one "Facebook Effect"?!?
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tantek I thought that was the "because all my friends are there" effect
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aaronpk Facebook Effect 2b subparagraph 7
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colintedford The "Facebook Effect" I've read about is the one where social networking accentuates depression b/c everyone else mainly shares "my life is good" stuff. :)
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tantek interesting - I've heard that called the "highlights reel" effect
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KartikPrabhu what's the name for the phenomena where people discuss (possibly multiple) names of phenomena
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colintedford That's a better name for it.
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aaronpk KartikPrabhu++
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Loqi KartikPrabhu has 133 karma
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gRegorLove KartikPrabhu: phenomenon-andon-andon
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@benwerd This completely nails it. (And I think I'll subscribe to The Information now.) https://twitter.com/amir/status/750760849459908608 #opensource #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/750761747384967169)
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Loqi [indieweb] "This completely nails it. (And I think I'll subscribe to The Information now.) https://twitter.com/amir/status/750760849459908608 #opensource #indieweb" by Ben Werdmüller http://werd.io/2016/this-completely-nails-it-and-i-think-ill-subscribe-to
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bear is the new home page kinda set - I want to give it the "does it work for colour bind folks" test
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tantek bear - I believe the new home page is in various stages of active iteration
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aaronpk i can live with the new colors but i would still prefer to have one saturated color block with white text, however that makes sense
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tantek first I did my best to copy-edit (content-first design, a well known methodology, see AEA talks etc.)
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tantek then I did some white-space tweaking and further copy-edit tweaks for some layout improvements
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bear I just saw a few combinations earlier that hurt my eyes so I wanted to double check
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tantek second, colintedford, aaronpk, gRegorLove have been iterating on the design, including colors
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bear the current set of colours is very pleasant and functional - so +1 to that work
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gRegorLove What's AEA?
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KartikPrabhu An Event Apart
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KartikPrabhu http://aneventapart.com/
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voxpelli Just released very simple simple way to deploy a Micropub endpoint for Jekyll to Heroku: https://github.com/voxpelli/webpage-micropub-to-github#on-heroku Yay!
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Loqi does a happy dance!
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voxpelli Also: Finally released the Micropub endpoint for Jekyll! miklb will be thrilled :)
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bear voxpelli++
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Loqi voxpelli has 77 karma
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sknebel voxpelli++ linked on the wiki already?
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Loqi voxpelli has 78 karma
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voxpelli sknebel: just added it to the Micropub page, will add it to the Jekyll page as well now I think
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sknebel oh, right, Loqi now posts in -dev...
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Loqi grins profusely
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KevinMarks1 Having one white on colour block is fine, as long as the block is dark enough
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voxpelli so needs to start naming things and not continue with these generic names...
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KevinMarks1 You namw things by keyword?
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voxpelli KevinMarks1: New project: "Micropub-to-GitHub", old one "A WebMention Endpoint"
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voxpelli went under the codename of "A Micropub Endpoint"
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KevinMarks1 Could you use Swedish words?
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voxpelli yeah, good idea, I guess I mostly just need to get into the mindset of giving names to things
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@voxpelli Just published an early version of a Micropub endpoint (an IndieWeb CRUD API) that can commit posts to a Jekyll site https://github.com/voxpelli/webpage-micropub-to-github (twitter.com/_/status/750779792493056000)
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@jkphl @loicmathaud that we meet and help each other hacking on our own personal sites, applying #indieweb features & all kinds of tinkering. (twitter.com/_/status/750787454354001920)
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@jkphl @loicmathaud If you're interest in running a HWC you might want to have a look at https://indieweb.org/Homebrew_Website_Club#Structure It's all but rocket science. ;) (twitter.com/_/status/750788138574970881)
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@egoexpress Hacked together my first small @withknown plugin at todays Homebrew Website Club Nuremberg. https://github.com/egoexpress/known-smallheader #indieweb #hwc (twitter.com/_/status/750790413108191232)
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@kevinmarks @ikirigin true, but small effect compared to https://indieweb.org/site-deaths (twitter.com/_/status/750799576236515328)
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@AlexSchleber See the Alan Kay reply on this AMA thread here: ( #indieweb food for thought; /cc @kevinmarks ) https://twitter.com/ibdknox/status/745676925583056896 (twitter.com/_/status/750799915782070273)
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snarfed KevinMarks you may be interested in https://en.support.wordpress.com/recipes/
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snarfed (also on self hosted wp w/jetpack)
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KevinMarks Hm. What's the betting that injects schema instead of h-recipe
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aaronpk it says it does, but i didn't see any schema.org in the example
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aaronpk kylewm: does silo.pub know how to send emoji responses to github?
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KevinMarks1 https://twitter.com/brian_bilston/status/750821768038940672
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@brian_bilston IN A PARALLEL UNIVERSE* There is parallel parking for all cars and gymnasts drink in parallel bars. *this poem was sent by parallelogram (twitter.com/_/status/750821768038940672)
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KevinMarks1 parallelogram would be a good name for a POSSE service
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KevinMarks1 hm, there is an hrecipe class on https://en.support.wordpress.com/recipes/
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KevinMarks1 but no properties
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KevinMarks1 not sure where the code for this is; jetpack isn't open source
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KevinMarks1 how about we don't install tracking http://www.commitstrip.com/en/2016/07/06/facing-the-truth/
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aaronpk lol
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tantek whoa
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snarfed KevinMarks: yes jetpack is open source, https://github.com/Automattic/jetpack/
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[shaners] https://github.com/Automattic/jetpack/search?utf8=✓&q=recipe
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aaronpk https://github.com/Automattic/jetpack/blob/master/modules/shortcodes/recipe.php#L109
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aaronpk they forgot to add tests for recipes 😂 https://github.com/Automattic/jetpack/tree/master/tests/php/modules/shortcodes
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aaronpk whoever sends a PR to add microformats to that, be sure to add tests :)
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tantek !tell adactio,Jeena,aaronpk,kylewm,gRegorLove HWC is only a week away! Could you add an indie event and FB POSSE copy for your city? Thanks! https://indieweb.org/events/2016-07-13-homebrew-website-club#RSVP
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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