#indieweb 2016-07-09

2016-07-09 UTC
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KartikPrabhu begriffs: wow, I don't even understand most of the article
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begriffs Uh oh, guess I should have taken care to write more clearly. :(
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KartikPrabhu no, it is just that I don't understand all that DNS stuff
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KevinMarks1 it's a deep dive - you walk people through a lot of command line stuff
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KevinMarks1 !tell kylewm any idea why my woodwind instance says 'mismatched CSRF token' when I try to login?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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begriffs @KevinMarks1 I guess those were questions that I myself had so I answered it for myself, but the audience is maybe not so clear for the article.
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KartikPrabhu begriffs: that is good practice though, to write about stuff that you figured out on the way
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begriffs DNS is the web part, since having your own domain is based on all that.
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begriffs (A reply to a note earlier)
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KevinMarks1 yes, but you don't make a web page, you then set up email
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miklb hmm, need to figure out how to debug dupe replies from Bridgy
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tantek SO close to being done with my blog post version of State of the Indie Web
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tantek anyone around that can look over a draft for anything glaringly wrong or typos etc.?
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snarfed tantek: sure!
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tantek snarfed: http://tantek.com/2016/190/b1/state-of-indieweb-summit
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snarfed lol, i like the intro
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KevinMarks1 'atteneded'
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snarfed and man i like the new logo so much more
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snarfed "lastnight"
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snarfed heh, love it: "kept his wits in the face of impending design by committee"
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snarfed errant capitalization, "Beyond empowering each other, We"
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KevinMarks1 Edinburgh not Edinboro
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KevinMarks1 Hombrew Website Club Nürnberg
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snarfed extra comma (first one) and mixing you/we: "By sharing your stuff, publicly on the web, putting open source in places like GitHub, we empower those that we haven’t even met."
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snarfed could link "Anywhere but Medium" but up to you
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snarfed typo: "opressed"
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tantek snarfed - it's discoverable from the Posts about # 2016 link
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tantek deliberately not directly linking to a rant, that would be "rewarding" such behavior
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snarfed heh
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KevinMarks1 it is interesting to see how terse my notes are in comparison
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snarfed grammar, "One is Salmentions, and this is something we have a bunch more implementations."
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snarfed consider "There are" in "There’s no person-tags there because Twitter does not have an API to let you set the person-tags in a photo yet."
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snarfed typo: "brings me too the fact"
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snarfed maybe link "IndieAuth.com"
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snarfed remove "not"? "These are not just sites where people have their own URL"
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snarfed minor subjective nit: consider s/10s of thousands/tens of thousands/
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tantek (these are great, editing furiously)
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snarfed needs "one" or "a": "have it be off by pixel"
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snarfed done. this is great! my only high level feedback is that it's clearly a transcript of spoken text, which often sounds better than it reads
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snarfed if you wanted to spend more time, you could edit it to work better as written text, but that's totally up to you. it works fine as is.
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snarfed otherwise nice work!
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tantek snarfed, this is edited down! if you check the actual-ish transcript, it's much, uh, messier ;)
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snarfed KevinMarks: re terse, yeah, makes sense, since you had to do it live and couldn't pause or rewind
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tantek (has taken way too many hours and days to do)
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snarfed tantek: oh i believe it! it's effectively transcribed. it just clearly reads as text that was originally spoken. still totally fine though!
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tantek I wanted to keep that "as spoken" tone a bit at least
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tantek to give it a feel like you're hearing me, rather than just readin gme
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tantek snarfed, ok I think I fixed everything you reported! (Great catches!)
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tantek you too KevinMarks
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tantek thanks to you both!
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tantek now I just need to come up with something like rel=proofreader for my links to y'all ;)
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snarfed welcome!
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snarfed lol
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tantek ok here goes
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Loqi [indieweb] "State of The IndieWeb — IndieWeb Summit 2016-06-04" http://tantek.com/2016/190/b1/state-of-indieweb-summit
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@t State of The IndieWeb — IndieWeb Summit 2016-06-04: http://tantek.com/2016/190/b1/state-of-indieweb-summit (twitter.com/_/status/751603250051166208)
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snarfed tantek++
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Loqi tantek has 304 karma
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tantek REALLY appreciate the last minute proofreading
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tantek (you two are very fast at reading)
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tantek exhales
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tantek snarfed, are indiewebcamp URLs working for you?
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tantek kevinmarks?
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tantek (same with indieweb.org)
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snarfed yes they're fine for me
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snarfed shift refreshed
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snarfed both iw.org and iwc.com
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tantek yikes why am I seeing pin13
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tantek and 404s for any paths
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tantek grr - maybe a browser issue
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tantek some sort of weird DNS cache bug
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tantek can y'all try Firefox?
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tantek ok I think it might be combination of internet access through a captive portal (maybe some overzealously caching proxy somewhere along the line)
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tantek and browser-specific behavior. sigh.
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tantek and now it just started working again
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snarfed i was in firefox
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tantek snarfed, hence I think it was my hotel internet access
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snarfed Loqi: computers, how do they work?
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snarfed whee
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tantek still that's kind of scary
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snarfed damn, hoped for a meme
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tantek these are all https URLs so that shouldn't be possible
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tantek unless there's some sort of DNS level "exploit" that's possible for routers to misdirect you to the wrong IP.
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tantek alright, looks good now
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KevinMarks They were other sites on the same host though?
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KevinMarks So could be some odd cache glitch
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KevinMarks https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/751590290654244864
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@Pinboard First they ignore you, then they laugh at you. Then there’s an awkward silence. Then they laugh at you some more. At night, the wolves come. (twitter.com/_/status/751590290654244864)
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KevinMarks this is rather good: https://eager.io/blog/the-history-of-the-url-domain-and-protocol/
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@PlanetFeeds Tantek Çelik: State of The IndieWeb — IndieWeb Summit 2016-06-04: Foreword Photo by Julie Anne Noying Th... http://tantek.com/2016/190/b1/state-of-indieweb-summit (twitter.com/_/status/751640419692228608)
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cweiske miklb, re sending webmentions for static sites: I built stapibas exactly for that
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cweiske it reads the site's atom feed and sends out webmentions for linked pages
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cweiske http://indieweb.org/stapibas
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petermolnar morning
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petermolnar there is a "save page now" thing on the wayback machine; is anyone aware how to trigger that remotely via a script for certain urls ?
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petermolnar seems like calling https://web.archive.org/save/[URL] does the trick
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sknebel What is archival copy?
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Loqi An archival copy is a copy of a web page made (often by someone other than the author) at a particular point in time, that can be used as a reference if the original disappears or is temporarily unavailable https://indieweb.org/archival_copy
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sknebel petermolnar: ^^^
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sknebel oh, you already found it
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petermolnar I keep forgetting how deep our wiki is
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petermolnar I just checked where the form POSTs to :)
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petermolnar it looks like my idea of snapshotting all mentioned urls - text only - wasn't that great; so far, it resulted ~260MB text in my database, so I'm rethinking this idea a little; one of them was that when I mention a url via webmention, I'll trigger an automatic archive for that url
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petermolnar this would probably make more sense in many terms
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cmal ahoy
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@fakebaldur "State of The IndieWeb — IndieWeb Summit 2016-06-04" http://tantek.com/2016/190/b1/state-of-indieweb-summit (twitter.com/_/status/751765467283546112)
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@mirkov965 Blockchain a new frontier - comparisons to RSS specious. Recap RSS wars: https://indieweb.org/RSS_Atom_wars @mrkrndvs @davewiner @dajbelshaw @wiobyrne (twitter.com/_/status/751774445954478080)
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benborges hi cmal
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cmal hey benborges :D
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benborges pm
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KevinMarks More evidence of /draft as a needed mapping https://gdstechnology.blog.gov.uk/2016/07/08/introducing-the-gov-uk-publishing-platform-in-detail/?utm_campaign=digest&utm_medium=email&utm_source=app
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Loqi [indieweb] "Heading down to #WCOC16 at UC Irvine. Viva @WordPress and #indieweb!" by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/heading-down-to-wcoc16-at-uc-irvine-viva-wordpress-and
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@ChrisAldrich Heading down to #WCOC16 at UC Irvine. Viva @WordPress and #indieweb! (twitter.com/_/status/751786519224918018)
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aaronpk good morning!
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CherryPuffs morning
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aaronpk gawd mediawiki makes things so hard sometimes
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aaronpk OHHHHH i know what I did
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aaronpk I did actually add <a> to the list of allowed HTML tags in mediawiki core
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aaronpk whoa, new mediawiki uses push state to update the browser URL on redirect pages
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aaronpk okay wow my dev IWC wiki is looking really good. so good that I keep accidentally editing wiki pages on it instead of on indieweb.org
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aaronpk might be able to do the wiki upgrade sooner rather than later
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[kevinmarks] Nice
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[kevinmarks] Hm. How close is micropub to being suitable for wiki edits now?
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aaronpk heh
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bnvk aaronpk: nice
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Loqi [indieweb] "ChrisAldrich on Twitter: “Heading down to #WCOC16 at UC Irvine. Viva @WordPress and #indieweb!”" by Scott Kingery http://techlifeweb.com/chrisaldrich-on-twitter-heading-down-to-wcoc16-at-uc-irvine-viva-wordpress-and-indieweb/
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petermolnar post type and microformats question: this may not be useful or needed at all, just a question. In case of a stream, many different type of content can show up, including, let's say, a random photo with friends. Since this has a photo, it will be a type: photo. But what is the corresponding person posts art type photos as well? Can this be somehow indicated, such as important [x] type post or not important [x] type post? Is this something t
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petermolnar hat would make sense?
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petermolnar for me, it would, as if I follow creatives, I may not be interested in their personal lives but their art
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@scottjenson Hey #indieweb, this seems to be perfect for you. Is there anything you'd suggest? https://twitter.com/ThePhysicalWeb/status/751878643148664832 (twitter.com/_/status/751880101449506816)
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petermolnar "The IoT needs a simple/light equivalent of WordPress so devices can have simple static web pages. Any suggestions?" oh dear god, no. Please don't let a coffee machine write a blog.
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petermolnar it appears, this avoided me for a while: https://google.github.io/physical-web/
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aaronpk i want my coffee machine to have its own blog are you kidding!
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petermolnar aaronpk too much white noise
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aaronpk sounds like a reader problem ;-)
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petermolnar :P
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petermolnar just from one perspective
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petermolnar from the other perspective: it's waste
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petermolnar like most of the wrapping material
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petermolnar what is The Physical Web?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "The Physical Web" yet. Would you like to create it?
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aaronpk it could post a photo of the full pot of coffee when it's done brewing
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sknebel the famous first webcam
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petermolnar but that doesn't need a blog
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petermolnar it doesn't need to be permanent-ish
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aaronpk "need" is an opinion
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sknebel aaronpk: indieweb.coffee is still available...
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petermolnar query and/or question it, ok, but to store that data? why?
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aaronpk sknebel: lol
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aaronpk hmmMMm there is a .house TLD
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petermolnar ok, log entries of coffee pot emptiness/fullness, I would see a point in that if someone would want to draw nice graphs of coffee consumption during the day; but a picture of this is just a waste of space
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aaronpk sounds subjective to me
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petermolnar .house? why no .rave or .techno? ( sorry )
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petermolnar aaronpk there is nothing subjective there; a log entry is a few bytes, a photos is at least a few hundred kilobytes
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aaronpk "waste" is subjective
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aaronpk it depends entirely on your values
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aaronpk point is, if you don't want your coffee pot to have a blog that posts photos of coffee when it's done brewing, then don't. but don't tell other people they shouldn't do it either!
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aaronpk that's part of the fun of the indieweb
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petermolnar I disagree here. There are things I value; for example, my 20k+ photo. But I'm aware that it's waste; most of them I won't ever look at again in my life, because there is no time for that. No one will. Therefore, it's waste. It's taking up space, it's eating energy, but it's not doing any good.
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petermolnar And even though I'm keeping them, I know, it's waste.
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petermolnar I'll be back in ~20 mins
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jkphl good evening indieweb!
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aaronpk waves
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@IndieWebCampDE Nach 8 Teilnehmern in der letzten Woche: Der nächste Homebrew Website Club Nürnberg findet am 20. Juli statt https://indieweb.org/events/2016-07-06-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/751887053701390336)
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@jkphl (Kind of) Unfortunately I'll be in Japan at that time, but our next Homebrew Website Club takes place at July 20th https://indieweb.org/events/2016-07-06-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/751887331737628672)
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KevinMarks I did register mixes.house
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KevinMarks !tell petermolnar would a category/tag not work for your art vs selfie distinction?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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petermolnar it would, but that is local to the site and is not a thing for post-discovery
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KartikPrabhu petermolnar: you could filter by the tags instead of trying to do post-type-discovery for different kinds of photos
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KevinMarks Look at existing practice first - do you see distinction between art and photos in current sites?
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KevinMarks If this something that silos distinguish?
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KevinMarks Or do individuals mark them up differently?
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KevinMarks Always better to see what people do than try to make something up for them.
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aaronpk wow i can't figure out why the logo won't update on the mailchimp template
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@devleakslinks The #IndieWeb is important - it focuses on You, not the corporations that own the big silo content farms. http://devleaks.com/link/indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/751913832767975424)
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