#indieweb 2016-07-16

2016-07-16 UTC
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@chegalabonga New post: What Is The IndieWeb And Why We Need It https://chegalabonga.com/2015/11/05/what-is-the-indieweb-and-why-we-need-it/ (twitter.com/_/status/754303931182907393)
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KevinMarks_ React rephrased the advantages of dogfooding https://github.com/facebook/react/pull/7292/files
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@benborges_ Hmmm someone is putting Grav flat-file CMS on the #indieweb & it looks gorgeous @cmal_PP :)) (twitter.com/_/status/754318404018929664)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Repost of david peach's tweet" by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/repost-of-david-peachs-tweet-29bf0e0756
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@prushforth Good article about our post-truth world. #maps4html was made for #indieweb #indiegeoweb https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/752775694283739136 (twitter.com/_/status/754353879496568833)
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cmal hey, is there some guidelines for multi-lingual h-card? should I have one h-card per language but share the same u-url?
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Loqi cmal: petermolnar left you a message on 7/13 at 12:35am: I tried to switch to grav a while ago, because I love their approach, but it seems the amount of full size photos I have is too much for the cache system grav has. However, I did make this; it might come handy: https://github.com/petermolnar/grav-plugin-syndicationlist
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cmal petermolnar, thanks for the link, I'll check it out :)
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cmal Grav is indeed intended for small-size sites (few thousand pages), but I believe there's a lot of room for improvement on this side, but there's discussions about it atm
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cmal still, I see many use-cases for small Indieweb-powered Grav websites :-)
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[kevinmarks] How do your h-cards differ by language?
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cmal KevinMarks, translation of p-job-title, p-description, potentially p-name as well?
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cmal > KevinMarks, translation of p-job-title, p-description, potentially p-name as well?
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voxpelli cmal: languages are as of yet an unsolved problem that needs more experimentation on everything from parser level and up: https://github.com/microformats/microformats2-parsing/issues/3
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voxpelli cmal: so there are no best practices yet I would say :)
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cmal thanks for the link, that's interesting
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cmal I'd say the limitation with this approach is it's fully content-based, i.e. you need to provide the actual translations in the same stream of information, I'd rather go for something url-based
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cmal like having lang markup on h-entries/h-feeds/h-events, then have maybe something like <a class="u-translation-url" lang="fr" href="https://cmal.info/fr/something">Français</a> inside of those h-feeds, h-entries, h-events
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cmal what do you think?
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GWG I want to congratulate Indiewebcamps for holding my interest
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voxpelli cmal: a u-url with a hreflang="" sounds like a good way to link to a URL with an alternative language representation of the h-card
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voxpelli cmal: and on that page one would get the lang="" for the actual content there
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cmal hmm, I like this idea
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cmal or from the parent h-feed/h-entry/h-event I guess
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cmal so you could have lang= set in the h-feed/entry/event and/or in the u-url
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sknebel representative h-card algorithm maybe needs tweaking, if it should find all language variants of the h-card
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sknebel (step at the end to collect alternative-language versions)
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cmal sknebel, agreed
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voxpelli there's also the <link rel="alternate" hreflang="" /> alternative: https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/189077?hl=en
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voxpelli if one already is on a page with a representative h-card
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voxpelli and wants to find other language variants for that h-card
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cmal voxpelli, I wouldn't count on that, you could have stuff translated to many languages, doesn't mean everything on the page will be (say, the h-card)
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cmal I think it's more reliable to depend on values within the h-card itself
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voxpelli cmal: well if you are on the u-url of the h-card and that url has language url:s then it would be odd if the h-card wouldn't be translated as that's the main content of that page?
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voxpelli a lang="" on/around/in the h-card could however indicate whatever content that for some reason isn't
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cmal like if you have a page translated to spanish in your site but you don't have spanish translation for the h-card that's embedded within, we shouldn't consider a rel alternate with spanish language as a translation for the h-card itself
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cmal voxpelli, but what for instance if your h-card is on your homepage along with other information?
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voxpelli cmal: if you are on a page representing something else but the h-card, then yes, I agree :)
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cmal well should the u-url of the h-card be pointing to something that *exclusively* represents the h-card?
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voxpelli cmal: no, but it's hard for me to imagine a translated representation of an h-card, like a front page, where everything but the h-card itself is translated :/
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cmal I think it makes sense for the end-user (browser-side or for global site lang switcher buttons) to have links for all potential translations (as in, languages enabled on the website) on a best-effort basis, but then individual h-entry/h-feed/h-event/h-card should have their own individual translation markup for more precision on what can be translated in what
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cmal would that make sense to you?
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voxpelli I think both hreflang="" on <a> and hreflang="" on lnk rel-alternate as well as lang="" within the page itself all serves their purpose depending on what setup one is going for :)
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voxpelli cmal: here's an example of how I have done it btw: http://voxpelli.com/2015/09/oberoende-sociala-webben-2015/
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Loqi [Pelle Wessman] Den oberoende sociala webben 2015
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cmal I'll go check this out, thanks ;)
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voxpelli I don't bother to translate very much on my website – so I just put lang="en" around my h-card despite the post itself being in Swedish
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voxpelli would be great to have some documentation from someone that actually do bother to translate :)
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cmal yeah but that's because you don't translate your name to make it readable in other alphabets for instance :)
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cmal voxpelli, well I'm working on it for my Grav websites
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voxpelli cmal: be sure to write up some conclusions and post to https://news.indieweb.org/ or something later on :)
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myfreeweb hi! haven't been here in a while, looks like micropub media endpoint is now a thing, nice! aaronpk: the spec says ?q=config, but i see Quill doing an empty query?
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cmal voxpelli, will do
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aaronpk myfreeweb: oh is it? i should fix that
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myfreeweb well that's what i see on github
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aaronpk that's probably just my bad for not updating quill
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GWG We need a reference implementation to test against
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aaronpk 🔜 micropub.rocks
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GWG aaronpk, I guessed that was coming
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cmal well, good night everyone
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Loqi night night
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cmal thanks for the hints :)
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GWG I am still trying to figure out how to link Micropub to Bridgy Publish
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myfreeweb GWG: just as an alternative mechanism to invoke the publishing? micropub-to-tweet instead of webmention-to-tweet
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GWG No, I want the Micropub server to send the webmention
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Loqi gives GWG the Micropub server to send the webmention
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GWG I want to connect them.
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@djsardine @owenpeery true, I should get some domain space too. This is interesting https://indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/754426842732371968)
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@djsardine When do we stop building silos? https://indieweb.org/silo (twitter.com/_/status/754428102592167936)
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KevinMarks Google encourages monolingual pages.
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Loqi [indieweb] "@djsardine I use #indieweb services for academic related uses if you want to compare notes or need help, I'm also nearby." by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/djsardine-i-use-indieweb-services-for-academic-related-uses-if
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@ChrisAldrich @djsardine I use #indieweb services for academic related uses if you want to compare notes or need help, I'm also nearby. (twitter.com/_/status/754438273225793536)
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Loqi [indieweb] "@djsardine There's an upcoming HWC mtg https://indieweb.org/events/2016-07-27-homebrew-website-club#Los_Angeles as well as an IndieWeb Camp in Santa Monica in Nov https://indieweb.org/2016/LA" by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/djsardine-theres-an-upcoming-hwc-mtg-events2016-07-27-homebrew-website-clublos_angeles-as-well-as
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@ChrisAldrich @djsardine There's an upcoming HWC mtg https://indieweb.org/events/2016-07-27-homebrew-website-club#Los_Angeles as well as an IndieWeb Camp in Santa Monica in Nov https://indieweb.org/2016/LA (twitter.com/_/status/754438869617999874)
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@davidmead Thanks @aaronpk. Can I implement that with WordPress? I'm unclear what I'd need to do. Create a form? #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/754440725312352256)
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Loqi [indieweb] "@djsardine @owenpeery I'm happy to help you both set up a personal website if you're interested. Alexander, I could do it at the HWC" by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/djsardine-owenpeery-im-happy-to-help-you-both-set-up
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