#indieweb 2016-07-24

2016-07-24 UTC
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[kevinmarks] If you post panoramic to g+ they show up in 3d I think
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tantek wat
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tantek what is G+
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Loqi Google+ (AKA Google Plus, GPlus, or G+) is both a social content hosting silo operated by Google, similar in many respects to Facebook, and a centralized Google identity service for other Google services like YouTube https://indieweb.org/G%2B
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tantek KevinMarks: is that G+ in particular, or Google Photos or both?
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tantek what is Google Photos?
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Loqi Google Photos is a photo storage silo that incorporates machine learning tools to organize and categorize uploaded photos, as well as generate presentations called 'stories' based on them https://indieweb.org/Google_Photos
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KevinMarks Hm. Good question. I haven't tried since it became Google photos
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tantek if you find a permalink to such a pano 3D, can you add it to either /G+ or /Google_Photos depending on where you found it?
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KevinMarks There's now cardboard photos
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KevinMarks https://plus.google.com/+KevinMarks/posts/aPq8PoSuTij
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KevinMarks Looks like it does the 3d thing in cardboard camera now
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tantek !tell GWG what is the difference between Google Photos and G+ Photos? Could you describe why you're using one over the other on /Google_Photos? Thanks!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek KevinMarks seems very slow to load
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tantek lots of "Transferring data from lh4.googleusercontent.com and lh6.googleusercontent.com
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tantek finally loaded
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tantek KevinMarks: doesn't seem to work on G+ photos - nothing 3D special there
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tantek anyway if you figure it out, can you add it as an example with instructions to make it work "3d" etc. to /G+#Photos
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GWG tantek: Google Photos used to be Google Plus Photos. They spun it off.
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Loqi GWG: tantek left you a message 20 minutes ago: what is the difference between Google Photos and G+ Photos? Could you describe why you're using one over the other on /Google_Photos? Thanks!
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tantek GWG see above URL from KevinMarks - it does not seem to be "spun off" just yet since the URLs are still plus.google.com/+ instead of photos.google.com
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tantek or maybe you can explain the discrepancy in permalinks?
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GWG I'll try. I don't really use it for anything but a backup of my photos. My primary is elsewhere
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tantek I think "use as a backup" is a very good silo use-case
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tantek I am doing similarly with Flickr now
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KevinMarks Redundant array of inexpensive cloud storage
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GWG In this case, free.
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KevinMarks https://goo.gl/photos/oJ6H7qTBfK6Mjwyz6
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[kevinmarks] Hm. I tried sharing that from cardboard camera, but it didn't work as a panoramic pic.
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KevinMarks But you can share links to Street view panoramas in maps. https://twitter.com/bhavashok/status/757025955692949504
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@bhavashok @kevinmarks @paulg https://www.google.com/maps/@54.804489,-2.04558,3a,15y,62.83h,87.65t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sWcx5VOL4Dc3VKB8bUkhVzA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en-US&dg=dbrw&newdg=1 Some real time burning (twitter.com/_/status/757025955692949504)
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KevinMarks Is that a 6 co-ordinate permalink?
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KevinMarks http://gis.stackexchange.com/questions/86774/what-do-the-parameters-for-google-streetview-mean
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User12222 http://earnwithinvite.com/index.php?ref=150359
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aaronpk Lat Lng Altitude Heading Yaw... Zoom?
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tantek well that looks like a spam link
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@BillSeitz @6loss @interstar @johnrobb the IndieWeb folks have some interesting tech for that (twitter.com/_/status/757037561059520512)
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tantek aaronpk delete spam link ^^^ earnwithinvite
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tantek per https://www.google.com/search?q=earnwithinvite
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KevinMarks1 this looks quite indieweb http://www.meetup.com/sfhtml5/events/232261764/?rv=me1&_af=event&_af_eid=232261764&https=off
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cmal have you seen this? https://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/next
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cmal there seems to be a lot of useless overlap with mf2 in the proposals
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[kevinmarks] It looks mostly 5 years old
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snarfed !tell tantek sorry for the bridgy publish video failures! looks like it was over flickr's size limit (10MB), and maybe twitter's too. i'll add better error handling.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@RikMende @colinmadland There you go : https://github.com/idno/markdown #known #indieweb #markdown (https://www.rmendes.net/2016/colinmadland-there-you-go-idnomarkdown-known-indieweb-markdown) (twitter.com/_/status/757276470251106304)
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GWG aaronpk, you are testing Hebrew?
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aaronpk the w3c i18n group opened an issue about text direction on micropub
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emmak aaronpk: does quill modify photos when posting? i tried an animated gif and it got corrupted somehow
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GWG Good. Internationalization is hard. Glad there are eyes on it
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tantek I don't really understand the issue(s) frankly - is there an implication that all human readable text requires side channel information of direction and language?
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Loqi tantek: snarfed left you a message 5 hours, 19 minutes ago: sorry for the bridgy publish video failures! looks like it was over flickr's size limit (10MB), and maybe twitter's too. i'll add better error handling.
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GWG tantek, it allows for proper storage, at the least
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tantek GWG, that's a tautology. That's like saying you need it because you need it.
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tantek "proper" is just another way of saying "need"
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tantek no information was addeed
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tantek s/addeed/added
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GWG I am suddenly wondering how Micropub works for a post with multiple language versions
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tantek GWG, not a feature of the current version
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GWG Would work then
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tantek would be reasonable to propose that as a feature for a future version, if there are sufficient real world use-cases to cite
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GWG Not an itch for me, but I could think of use cases.
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tantek Yes, the set of things "could think of" is far larger than is worth spending time supporting, hence we filter through real world itches.
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GWG tantek, I have had that issue of wanting to customize by language or region, but not on my site.
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GWG I have plenty of real world needs.
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tantek exactly
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tantek customizing a whole page by language can be done with HTTP ACCEPT LANGUAGE headers etc.
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tantek no need for anything at the content / markup level
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GWG But when I have an interesting idea, even if I do not need it, I try to note it.
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GWG tantek, I hate to elaborate after admitting that I don't need it, but I was just thinking of how you might publish it using Micropub
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aaronpk there's obviously nothing stopping anyone from creating a post anywhere, micropub or not, in multiple languages. it's only a challenge to discuss if you need the languages marked in a machine readable way, which i have not seen a use for for the contents of posts.
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aaronpk there are plenty of examples of localizing an interface, presenting interface elements in multiple languages, which i think is what this issue is about
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aaronpk since it's talking about the "name" value of the syndicate-to request
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aaronpk also from what i can tell, there is no need for a text direction attribute since utf-8 encoding supports RTL text itself. i included an example of typing an RTL name for a syndication button in my micropub endpoint and having it show up correctly in Quill
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tantek hmm - would this be more suitable for #indieweb-dev? I wasn't sure at first because it would be useful to know if anyone here had use-cases
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GWG tantek, I think we are done for now
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aaronpk emmak: I don't think Quill modifies the photo when it posts it. What corruption are you seeing?
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emmak well the image didn't appear correctly in the browser, and the file came out a lot smaller
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aaronpk is this with Media Endpoint support or not? (Quill does something different depending on whether you have a media endpoint)
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emmak it looked like it still had the gif header when i opened it in a hex editor
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emmak no, i dont have a media endpoint
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aaronpk hm it looks fine for me in safari
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aaronpk the browser preview looks fine anyway
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aaronpk weird, uploading it to my media endpoint isn't working though. it only gets the first frame
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emmak http://notenoughneon.com/2016/7/24/3
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Loqi [Emma Kuo] http://notenoughneon.com/2016/7/24/phpM8cPqotest
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emmak what i was trying to post: https://twitter.com/notenoughneon/status/757353259795218432
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@notenoughneon Nekocafe spinner animation https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video_thumb/CoKnkyjVYAAYS_3.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/757353259795218432)
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aaronpk that kind of looks like it's taking only one frame of the gif but not the first. a frame of a gif animation can include only pixels that changed in that frame.
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emmak that makes sense
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aaronpk very strange tho
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emmak you were able to upload an animated gif fine though?
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aaronpk no, it only uploaded one frame to my media endpoint
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aaronpk (i didn't actually post the one that previewed fine in the browser for the non-media endpoint version)
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aaronpk Quill uses JS to build up a FormData object with the file now, so I wonder if that's messing it up somehow