#indieweb 2016-07-23
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[chrisaldrich] Thanks snarfed for the pointer to https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/, I'm guessing the reason I hadn't noticed is that it doesn't seem to be bridging to slack like the others...
# [chrisaldrich] In fact, it looks like I'm getting the #known feed bridged into #indieweb; #wordpress works in slack, but isn't on https://chat.indieweb.org/; No wonder I'm getting the feeling that the chat is slow this week
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@veganstraightedge Started sketching on #indieweb building blocks logos. https://www.instagram.com/p/BILvGdxAnv4/ (twitter.com/_/status/756643193437945856)
# [chrisaldrich] Also looks like #microformats is bridged, but when I post from slack, it doesn't crosspost to IRC
# [chrisaldrich] I'll take it back about the #known channel. Looks like there was some overlap convo there with the #indieweb chat this afternoon. Instead it appears that #known IRC isn't bridging to slack at all...
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@sxeworldwide 📷 veganstraightedge: Started sketching on #indieweb building blocks logos. (at Insight Coffee Roasters)... http://sxeworldwide.tumblr.com/post/147820769199/veganstraightedge-started-sketching-on#_=_ (twitter.com/_/status/756644591688966147)
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# [chrisaldrich] I don't think I'd looked at the #wordpress slack channel until the discussion for creating others popped up, so I joined it presuming it was official...
# [chrisaldrich] locking down the "unofficial" ones is probably a good idea
# [chrisaldrich] maybe it'll give me a reason to come back to IRC...
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[kevinmarks] Take a look at @godtributes's Tweet: https://twitter.com/godtributes/status/756689042083835908?s=09
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loicm Hi there. I don't know how to report this suggestion so I write here: the "This Week in IndieWeb" newsletter may change the sender's name and email? s/IndieWebCamp/IndieWeb/ ?
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@RikMende How to backup @withKnown & restore it easy #indieweb: https://www.rmendes.net/2016/how-to-backup-withknown-restore-it-easy-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/756827346183663616)
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# [chrisaldrich] Does anyone know a definitive page that compares and contrasts microformats and schema.org? I'm particularly looking for arguments to help argue the point on mf with WordPress & JetPack here https://github.com/Automattic/jetpack/issues/4470#issuecomment-234266930m
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# KevinMarks chrisaldrish: I wrote this last year: http://www.kevinmarks.com/microformatschema.html
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rhiaro In reaction to that ^ I wrote this: http://rhiaro.co.uk/2015/08/extensibility
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# [chrisaldrich] Thanks! Those are a helpful start, and even help me as well.
# KevinMarks chris, you have put instructions inside instructions
# KevinMarks <div class="e-instructions"><ul><li class="e-instructions"> menas that the instructions are duplicated
# KevinMarks same with ingredients - I tweaked my indiecard dispalyer to hunt out a recipe inside an entry http://www.unmung.com/indiecard?url=http%3A%2F%2Fboffosocko.com%2F2016%2F07%2F17%2Fchili-prep-for-dinner-tonight%2F
# KevinMarks either put ingredients and instructions on the wrapper, or on the individual lists (I think lists is better for parseability)
# KevinMarks this bit of rhiaro's socratic dialog is a bit off: "LD: How do I find out if someone else is already using something like this? MF: Ask in IRC or check the wiki."
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# KevinMarks the actual MF answer is see how people are already publishing this kind of data online and document that
# KevinMarks whereas the LD answer is "make up any name you like, you can always map it as equivalent later"
# KevinMarks the mapping as equivalent gets done less often - rhiaro did it with https://www.w3.org/TR/social-web-protocols/
# KevinMarks I wonder if we need an xmdp 2 that is parseable as mf2, as amy proposes in that
# [chrisaldrich] Thanks Kevin, I'll have to check into the code which is doing the bulk of the work. I thought there was an issue when i threw it into a parser the other day, but hadn't had a chance to double check it.
# [chrisaldrich] I like the idea of doing it on the individual lists too
# KevinMarks when I was mapping the bbc recipes that seemed more natural, as you want an ordered list of instructions
# KevinMarks and ingredients lists are usually in a meaningful order
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# [chrisaldrich] Unlike many cookbooks, I usually prefer interspersing sections of ingredients and instructions for portions of recipes followed by ingredients and instructions for other portions. Perhaps the mise-en-place/industrial engineer side of me that wants to make recipes more practical in actual use for the end use.
# [chrisaldrich] KevinMarks: I remember hearing you mention the bbc recipes a while back and meant to look into your work. What was the final upshot/result of all of your work? Does it live somewhere else now?
# [chrisaldrich] (apologies for the gaps in chat time, not too coincidentally I'm actually prepping a lot of fruit and food for later today)
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# [kevinmarks] The BBC reprieved the recipes site (which I suspect was the goal all along)
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# [chrisaldrich] Was your mapping able to help improve their site in the end?
# KevinMarks they have schema in microdata on their site, but it was much easier to parse their own structural classes
# [chrisaldrich] Not much of an advertisement for schema then, was it?
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# [rickc] I also like to divide recipes into steps listing ingredients needed for each segment.
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# [rickc] Though it is also practical to be able to show a complete ingredient list, so you can tell upfront if you have everything to make
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# [chrisaldrich] I can see it being useful to separate the quantity of the ingredient from the ingredient name. Marking them up separately could make it easier for programatically modifying the measurements from one set of units to another (cups to kilograms perhaps?) as well as using the yield field to do the automatic division/multiplicaation to allow the end user to choose the yield they want and then outputting the correct amount of ingredients to get that
# [chrisaldrich] (Dynamic recipes anyone?)
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@ChrisAldrich Thank you for sharing your commonplace book with us @KevinMarks #indieweb: http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/thank-you-for-sharing-your-commonplace-book-with-us-kevinmarks (twitter.com/_/status/756936767706570752)
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# [kevinmarks] Rickc do you have example pages on your site?
# [kevinmarks] If you mark them up as ingredients and steps then the parsing will combine them into a single ingredients list
# [kevinmarks] Which I think is OK
# [kevinmarks] The other way to go might be to have sub recipes - I've seen that style in print where the sauce is a separate recipe from the main dish
# [kevinmarks] Sometimes included by reference "make hollandaise sauce as on page xx"
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# [rickc] kevinmarks: I have a recipe site at recipeto.me, but I haven't touched it since getting sucked into progressive enhancement and the indieweb
# [rickc] It's a big angular 1.x app :grimacing:
# [kevinmarks] Says expired
# [rickc] Yeah it's abandoned for sure, source is on my github though
# [rickc] +1 for separating qty, ingredient, and preparation though
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# sknebel NYT had someting interesting to parse ingredients into components: http://open.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/04/09/extracting-structured-data-from-recipes-using-conditional-random-fields/ https://github.com/NYTimes/ingredient-phrase-tagger
# KevinMarks That was neat. There is also the twitter cookbook syntax
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# [rickc] Wish I could grok the math on that NYT piece. Would love to piece together an ad-hoc software engineering education without shelling out for university.
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tantek interesting experience with posting a panoramic photo - IG limits photo aspect ratio so much that I used a different place (FB private comment) to post my "original" panoramic photo, then hotlinked that as an image host to publish on my own site, and manually POSSEd to IG: http://tantek.com/2016/205/t1/fromwhereirun-sfrc-top-of-hill-fox-coyote
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] a jpg.
#fromwhereirun 15km 1300' (902' max elevation).
#SFRC to top of the hill at Fox & Coyote trails. Pano from Fox Trail and Sutro poking thru @karlthefog, to the moon and Coyote Ridge Trail.... https://scontent.fsjc1-3.fna.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/13765842_10102434778161843_291487969617834577_o.jpg
# Loqi Instagram is a popular image hosting silo most well known for square photos that have been processed with an image filter https://indieweb.org/IG
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