#indieweb 2016-07-25

2016-07-25 UTC
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[kevinmarks] It's not rendering the file?
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[kevinmarks] What is multilingual?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "multilingual" yet. Would you like to create it?
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[kevinmarks] Hm, I thought we did
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voxpelli Regarding multilingual Micropub – I have that very use case and it is what triggered me to push for https://github.com/microformats/microformats2-parsing/issues/2
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voxpelli I currently do language sniffing in my Micropub endpoint to try to guess the language since I can't explicitly state the language in my Micropub requests
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voxpelli and since Micropub is just the publish part of Microformat I thought it should be included in the mf2 data (maybe partly derived from http-headers, but not exclusively so)
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voxpelli eg. a h-feed can often contain content of many languages and there an http-header is not enough. Example: http://voxpelli.com/ (See the post with the sedish flag)
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voxpelli s/sedish/swedish/
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@t going to IndieWebCamp NYC2 at Dalberg, New York City, 2016-08-27…28! Register now! http://2016.indieweb.org/nyc2 (ttk.me t4iT1) (twitter.com/_/status/757483753170096128)
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Jeena So, indieweb people of the world, we always tell every one that they need a domain so site-deaths don't affect us, my sister had one for the last couple of years, this year because she was pregnant and had a lot on her mind she forgot to pay for it. After some time her registrar released the domain and someone from china grabbed it. She first found out once she wouldn't get any emails to this address anymore. This was her company domain and email
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Jeena address which she has printed everywhere. Do we have some info on what to do in such a case to get it back?
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Loqi Jeena: tantek left you a message on 2016-06-27 at 10:29am UTC: Is HWC Göteborg a go for this week? Could you confirm location? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-06-29-homebrew-website-club#Where
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Loqi Jeena: tantek left you a message 3 weeks, 3 days ago: Could you confirm a venue for your next HWC meetup? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-07-13-homebrew-website-club#Where
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Loqi Jeena: tantek left you a message on 2016-06-22 at 3:34pm UTC: I don't know, I was offline and couldn't easily find it when writing the post on the plane. People still make it too hard to find and link to their indie site / name.
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Loqi Jeena: tantek left you a message on 2016-06-27 at 10:29am UTC: Is HWC Göteborg a go for this week? Could you confirm location? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-06-29-homebrew-website-club#Where
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Loqi Jeena: tantek left you a message 3 weeks, 3 days ago: Could you confirm a venue for your next HWC meetup? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-07-13-homebrew-website-club#Where
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Jeena it's this domain http://seinheit.ch/
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[kevinmarks] There is a trademark dispute resolution process with icann, to stop domain squatting companies
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[kevinmarks] Hover have some info https://www.hover.com/blog/can-i-register-a-trademarked-domain-name/
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miklb is buying an expired domain considered domain squatting?
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rMdes_ hope so..even though most registrar allow like a number of days before letting the domain go public if not renewed
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@miklb Quill (https://quill.p3k.io/) + http://Fluid.app = macOS menubar Micropub app #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/757612557158850561)
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miklb hmm. why did it add the http to fluid.app
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rMdes_ anything similar for nix ?
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tantek just saw a new FB event action in my notifications that I had not seen before: cancellation!
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tantek e.g. notification text: *Person-full-name* cancelled the event *Event-name*.
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tantek with the usual icon of the person before the notification text
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tantek and then on the second line after the notification
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tantek (calendar-grid-icon) 2 hours ago
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tantek where "2 hours ago" is in slightly smaller grey text
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tantek this is different from (also saw an example in my notification) deleting an event
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tantek which had notification text: *Person-full-name* deleted the event "Event-name".
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tantek where *bold*
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tantek not sure why the inconsistent treatment of event name in each
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miklb rMdes_ anything similar to Fluid on nix? Was that the question?
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rMdes_ yeah sorry, any way to have micropub client right on my dekstop ? using archlinux here
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snarfed miklb: known twitter quirk, it interprets .app as a TLD and linkifies
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snarfed e.g. https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/398#issuecomment-146675163
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miklb no idea. Fluid is a wrapper for Webkit that allows you to create an app instance for a dedicate URL
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miklb rMdes_ ^
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miklb snarfed ah, yes, just seeing the http threw me off
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tantek snarfed thanks for the heads-up re: Bridgy and video upload limits
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snarfed tantek: np. sad, wish flickr's api wasn't so limited
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tantek I thought Flickr allowed video up to 150MB and 90sec in length
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miklb maybe Verizon will fix that :-P
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GWG tantek: Thank you for RSVPing to NYC2. Now I know at least I won't be alone in an office.
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tantek GWG - heh. Hey I even creatd the FB POSSE copy for our indie event! :D
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tantek s/creatd/created
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snarfed tantek: i cc'ed you on the bug, https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/690
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snarfed the 10MB req limit is actually app engine's, not flickr's, but flickr is limited in that it requires you to upload the whole file in a single HTTP request, inside the request itself
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snarfed all the other silos bridgy supports have more flexible/modern options :P
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rMdes_ miklb, just found webby for achlinux
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tantek snarfed, interesting. Is there any way to file a bug on AppEngine for this? With the Flickr API as the use-case?
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tantek also curious what happened with Twitter
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tantek is just relieved that he wrote his code defensively enough so that even if one or more POSSE copies failed, that the others would be attempted anyway, and that whatever worked would show up as a u-syndication at the permalink on my own site.
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miklb rMdes_ cool. Looks similar to Fluid
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rMdes_ works damn well
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rMdes_ save cookies, login & pass into it's container, so I can have quill one click away :)
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rMdes_ thanks for the tip
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miklb sure thing. I use Fluid for FB so I can sandbox cookies. Not that I visit it much.
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[kevinmarks] Well .app is a tld - Google owns it https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/.app_(gTLD)
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[kevinmarks] That's got to cause some issues with the icann trademark policy
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miklb for me it's a bad habit of using .app to signify mac desktop apps
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rMdes_ miklb, webby looks like this : https://www.rmendes.net/2016/test-from-quill-indieweb
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Loqi [Rick Mendes] Test from Quill #indieweb
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rMdes_ also tested using "chrome app" feature, works fine & have it's own icon from desktop
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rMdes_ by the way POSSEing from Quill dones't work with my Known instance, even though i connected my twitter account to it
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rMdes_ on my Quill profile I do see a green connected button
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rMdes_ for twitter
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miklb the Quill->Twitter connection doesn't POSSE to Twitter. I forget what that does
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rMdes_ ow ok :)
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rMdes_ funny how the uploaded image with Quill is a png;base64 encoded string
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miklb for my Jekyll set up, I have syndicate-to links configured with micropub client using Bridgy, then when I publish the post, my normal build/deploy process sends the webmention to POSSE
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@RikMende Test from Quill #indieweb: https://www.rmendes.net/2016/test-from-quill-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/757624559650471936)
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rMdes_ that's my manual after-edit POSSE
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rMdes_ so bridgy does the POSSEing and you just connected to bridgy for this to happen ?
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miklb well, for my setup, if I add the syndicate-to link, it adds that as meta (Front Matter) to the post, then in Jekyll I parse that and send the webmention
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miklb but yes, my syndication is through bridgy based on the micropub syndicate-to meta
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rMdes_ never tried jekyll or ghost or grav in the indieweb context, but I'm reading :) i can see how fast these pages are rendered, it's amazing
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miklb it took my a while to get to an IndieWeb setup for Jekyll, but I'm pleased with the progress. The benefits of static sites stand on their own
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miklb s/my/me/
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miklb Loqi why you no fix our typos?
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Jeena [kevinmarks], thanks for the link, her domain was not trademaked or anything like this, I wrote to the guy and asked him if he might be willing to sell it back, we'll see if he answers.
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Jeena But I feel that for people who don't handle domains like us it's not really clear that you just rent the domain, you don't really own it.
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Jeena And I also think we don't really talk about that very often so it even slips my mind sometimes.
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Jeena I wonder if it would be possible to rent a domain and pay in front for the next 30 years or something.
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tantek Hey Jeena are you doing HWC this week in Göteborg?
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tantek !tell chrisaldrich can you confirm HWC LA up or down?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Jeena good question, most of the people in Sweden are on vaccation now so I think nobody is in Gothenburg right now who would be interested, at least all the usual suspects are all somewhere else.
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Jeena It was like that two weeks ago too
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tantek Jeena, hmm - your call. if you're cancelling this week can you note on https://indieweb.org/events/2016-07-27-homebrew-website-club#Where ?
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Jeena yes I will
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KevinMarks The easiest way is to use a registrar that supports auto-renew
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KevinMarks I am a fan of hover because their ux works and you can phone them for help
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Jeena hm I wonder if mine supports that
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tantek HWC England is going strong this week with both Brighton and London!
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KevinMarks Also they don't choke you in up sells
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snarfed Jeena: some registrars do let you pay for at least 10y up front, maybe more
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snarfed i've done that
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Jeena it Switzerland they do a special thing where you get it directly from the one registrar who does the .ch domains, and you have to take care of hosting and nameservers yourself
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snarfed but it's arguably better to get used to renewing or auto renew
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tantek Jeena - interesting, could you add that about .ch to https://indieweb.org/short-domains#Domains ?
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Jeena you only have one shot of geting used to it, and my sister did that for a couple of years, this year she was pregnant and everything was different ;)
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Jeena tantek, I will research it a bit better so I don't lie abot it on the internet and will add it
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KevinMarks Hover let's you buy a .ch domain
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tantek what is Hover?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Hover" yet. Would you like to create it?
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Jeena oh it seems they changed this thing in 2015 https://www.nic.ch/reg/index/view.html
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KevinMarks Hover is a domain registrar with good ux and customer service. See hover.com
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Loqi ok
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KevinMarks They have a list of tlds and conditions https://help.hover.com/hc/en-us/articles/217281477
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tantek KevinMarks: have you used them or know anyone that has? if so, perhaps add yourself to an "IndieWeb Examples" section on /Hover
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leg While looking for a good reference linking the terms IndieWeb and Semantic Web, I stumbled over the fact, that Wikipedias article about the social semantic web: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Semantic_Web, doesn't reference microformats at all, less the IndieWeb Movement.
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KevinMarks You could edit it to fix that, maybe
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tantek leg that article seems like promotion of an outdated academic concept - is there anything real there?
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tantek !tell tommorris how does one even go about repairing an article like this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Semantic_Web where to start? Also, how is an obscure outdated purely academic phrase "notable" for WP?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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leg I'd gladly to the edit, but wouldn't know where to start fixing at this moment.
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leg s/to/do/
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tantek leg, same here, hence why I asked tommorris for advice. That WP article really looks like an unfixable mess
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tantek leg, how did you find out about IndieWeb?
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leg tantek: through a wormhole :) ... I took interest in ikiwiki; ikiwiki supports OpenID authentication; someone who described how to debug issues with OpenID mentioned IndieAuth; I set up IndieAuth for myself; ... at this moment I try to document, how I patched ikiwiki to make microformat 2 compatible blog posts.
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tantek leg, that is an amazing wormhole!
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tantek leg, are you running ikiwiki as your blogging software on your personal site?
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leg tantek: yes. And at my webhosting site.
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tantek leg, that is awesome. we should totally document that.
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tantek what is ikiwiki?
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Loqi ikiwiki is an open source server software project for hosting a wiki on your own site that uses Git for storage and Xapian for search https://indieweb.org/ikiwiki
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leg tantek: there is an ikiwiki page on the indieweb wiki, and when I'm finished documenting I thought to get myself an account and add the respective information.
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tantek if you setup IndieAuth then you already have an account!
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leg tantek: give me some two days for it. I finished the first prototype this weekend.
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tantek and there's already one other example!
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leg tantek: ikiwiki seems to be similar to Jekyll.
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tantek you can literally just add a one liner here with your name+URL here: https://indieweb.org/ikiwiki#IndieWeb_Examples
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leg tantek: it seems though, that greptilian neither has a blog, nor uses microformat markup.
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leg tantek: ok: did it. (the "one" liner)
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tantek leg++ awesome thank you!
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leg Wikipedias "Microformat" article seems also to be outdated and lacks a visible reference to microformats.org
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leg Is there some "todo" list where such observations are already present or can be added?
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tantek leg, usually the "Talk" page for a Wikipedia page is a good place to note things to fix about the page
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tantek https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Microformat
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leg tantek: Ok. But is there a todo list within the IndieWeb community?
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GWG Afternoon
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GWG snarfed, I have been thinking
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snarfed GWG: i try to avoid that
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GWG snarfed, I wanted your input on what I have been thinking about as you started it
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snarfed sure
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GWG Remember mf2_?
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[chrisaldrich] tantek: HWC is a go, I'm updating the location in a few moments...
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Loqi [chrisaldrich]: tantek left you a message 1 hour, 49 minutes ago: can you confirm HWC LA up or down?
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snarfed GWG: sorry no
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GWG snarfed: You proposed microformats be stored as mf2_ + property name in WordPress meta.
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snarfed ah, ok
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snarfed looks like the micropub plugin does that now. https://github.com/snarfed/wordpress-micropub/blob/master/micropub.php#L500
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GWG They're enhancing registration of metadata. Making changes to sanitization and validation.
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GWG They being WordPress. But multiple plugins will be allowed to register, so how can we standardize usage among plugins?
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snarfed GWG: good question! i don't know. i'm sure lots of other wordpress post meta fields are used by multiple plugins, right? see how they do it and follow suit?
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GWG It is more another, how do we all work together question?
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snarfed right! and i'm sure many other wp plugins have faced the same question and figured out a good way
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snarfed do wh
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snarfed er, do what they do
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GWG This may merit wiki documentation under WordPress_Data
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GWG This is a community question in that we've come up with ways to work together before.
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tantek !tell chrisaldrich thank you! can you update your indie event http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/homebrew-website-club-la-2016-07-27 also?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi Homebrew Website Club LA 2016-07-27
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GWG There is usually one big plugin setting it. Should the Indieweb plugin include an abstraction layer for setting properties?
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snarfed sounds doubtful. prefer to encourage standards instead of mandating specific wrappers/libraries
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GWG Mandating is different than helping. I think the mf2_ is still the standard.
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[chrisaldrich] tantek: done and done (I was interrupted by a phone call) :wink:
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Loqi [chrisaldrich]: tantek left you a message 10 minutes ago: thank you! can you update your indie event http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/homebrew-website-club-la-2016-07-27 also?
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tantek GWG, btw I'm in touch directly with Emma re: IWC NYC2 organizing. Best if we capture any questions or facilities needs directly on the planning page for the event: https://indieweb.org/2016/NYC2/Planning and she can coordinate facilities stuff with us there asynchronously
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tantek interesting post about "blogs today" http://whatever.scalzi.com/2016/06/11/how-blogs-work-today/
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tantek found via: https://twitter.com/marianoviola/status/755701018772533248
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@marianoviola Web dichotomies: "State of The IndieWeb" (http://tantek.com/2016/190/b1/state-of-indieweb-summit) and How "Blogs Work Today" (http://whatever.scalzi.com/2016/06/11/how-blogs-work-today/) via @OReillyMedia (twitter.com/_/status/755701018772533248)
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@Johannes_Ernst Help me articulate the value of user-centricity, privacy etc @mattermost @owncloud @nextclouders #indieweb http://upon2020.com/blog/2016/07/help-me-articulate-the-value-of-user-centricity-privacy-etc/ (twitter.com/_/status/757727113910726656)