#indieweb 2016-07-26

2016-07-26 UTC
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snarfed anyone here use PortableContacts? or know anyone who does? or even heard of it before?
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snarfed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_Contacts
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snarfed the web site (http://portablecontacts.net/) has been down for months or years
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snarfed my facebook converter, https://facebook-poco.appspot.com/ , is on an old API version, and i need to upgrade if i want it to keep working...but i'm not sure anyone cares any more
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aaronpk aw
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[rickc] !tell snarfed passport.js promotes it to return profile info with authentication.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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neilpdx i haven't used it but i think it could be a useful concept for bluetooth beacons. but so far, all that i have seen with bluetooth beacons is the ability to send HTTPS URL's.
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aaronpk there's apparently a new version of that being developed in OAuth 2 land
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tantek what is PortableContacts?
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Loqi Portable Contacts (often abbreviated as PoCo) is/was a proposed 2008 specification for exchange of contact info that uses a one-off JSON format https://indieweb.org/PortableContacts
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neilpdx aaronpk: neat
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tantek snarfed, what's your use-case for PoCo? it's possible that h-card + mf2 JSON is good enough to replace PoCo now
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snarfed tantek: i have none. just debating whether to keep my converters running.
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Loqi snarfed: [rickc] left you a message 1 minute ago: passport.js promotes it to return profile info with authentication.
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tantek (and since both are vCard-based, it's likely a conversion is fairly straightforward)
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@kevinmarks This is interesting: http://svgur.com/s/8A is that a German Pirate Party logo? #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/757731677409914880)
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KevinMarks1 OpenSocial absorbed Portable Contacts, so if anyone's still supporting it they'll be compatible
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KevinMarks1 iirc google deprecated it
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tantek OpenSocial abandoned their website as well
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KevinMarks1 plaxo still supports PoCo
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tantek what is Plaxo?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Plaxo" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek kind of wonders how long (if?) Plaxo is/will be up
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KevinMarks1 https://www.plaxo.com/pdata/vcard?vcardUrl=http://h2vx.com/vcf/tantek.com
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tantek whoa
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singpolyma wait wait... plaxo is up?
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KevinMarks1 http://www.unmung.com/jsontoxoxo?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.plaxo.com%2Fpdata%2Fvcard%3FvcardUrl%3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fh2vx.com%2Fvcf%2Ftantek.com
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KevinMarks1 h2vx doesn't like your nested h-cards
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tantek h2vx should not be seeing my h-cards at all, only my backcompat hCards
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snarfed KevinMarks tantek: ...and looks like w3c social wg absorbed opensocial :P https://www.w3.org/blog/2014/12/opensocial-foundation-moves-standards-work-to-w3c-social-web-activity/
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snarfed ...so i'm guessing that means poco is dead, and/or subsumed by AS, mf2, etc?
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tantek sigh. snarfed, I didn't have the heart to post how much BS that press release had. :(
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snarfed heh
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KevinMarks1 likes mine better: http://www.unmung.com/jsontoxoxo?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.plaxo.com%2Fpdata%2Fvcard%3FvcardUrl%3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fh2vx.com%2Fvcf%2Fwww.kevinmarks.com
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tantek suffice it to say the expression "OpenSocial standards work and specifications beyond OpenSocial 2.5.1" is the empty set, and thus you may evaluate the remaining assertions accordingly.
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tantek basically there was no point in beating a dead OpenSocial effort/foundation etc. into the ground.
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snarfed yup
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snarfed i'll shut down my poco converters then :P
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tantek energy better spent trying to keep building things
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KevinMarks1 I did quite like poco, but apparently joe smarr could not keep google interested
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tantek KevinMarks: just goes to show how much of an uphill battle it was to do any standards/interop work at Google outside of the Chrome team
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KevinMarks1 well, in that area anyway. Now the emerald sea tide has gone out it may change again
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tantek KevinMarks:
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tantek yes it is good to be hopeful
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tantek perhaps willnorris can help out
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snarfed ooh plaxo's poco test client is still up. somehow. https://www.plaxo.com/pdata/testClient
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tantek hey that's worth documenting on /PoCo then
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tantek aside: Twitter sends "âš¡ï¸" (yes, four odd character variants) instead of "⚡️" in the emails it sends to my Twitter account. Oddest Unicode corruption I've seen yet.
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aaronpk I wonder at what point that's failing. ⚡️ is a multibyte char, so it could be failing anywhere in the chain from twitter's email sending servers to your mail client
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aaronpk it looks fine for me in gmail https://aaronparecki.com/media/file-20160726012221-20907.png
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tantek it looks fine in the
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tantek "follows, favorited, retweeted" etc. notification emails
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tantek it's the darn "growth hacking" email that Twitter spams you with
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tantek s/email/emails
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tantek the nonsense I described here: http://tantek.com/2012/271/b1/why-twitter-spamming-new-updates-emails-every-week
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] Why is Twitter spamming users with new "Updates from Twitter" emails nearly every week?
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KevinMarks Now wondering how far Jf2 of an h-card is from poco
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KartikPrabhu Loqi messages?
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KartikPrabhu ooh... nice chat links on the logs
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[kevinmarks] The growth hacking emails are likely using some egregious marketing tool rather then core engineering
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KevinMarks Helpful for SVG conversion? https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/757570018624299009
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@Rumyra I created a repo containing all the Font Awesome glyphs as SVGs: https://github.com/Rumyra/Font-Awesome-SVGs A little post about it http://rumyrashead.com/Font-Awesome-SVGs.html (twitter.com/_/status/757570018624299009)
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GWG aaronpk: What is the difference between an itinerary and a trip for you?
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cweiske itinarary is a part of a trip IMO
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GWG cweiske: aaronpk has implemented them.
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GWG I want to know about the implementation
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[kevinmarks] Interesting https://www.troyhunt.com/i-wanna-go-fast-https-massive-speed-advantage/
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KartikPrabhu so basically https/2 is faster
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rMdes_ !tell tantek your twitter email rant got me writing this : https://www.rmendes.net/2016/notifications-slavery-versus-attention-ecology
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [Rick Mendes] Notifications Slavery versus Attention Ecology #android #privacy #attention #notifications
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@adactio It’s Homebrew Website Club tomorrow evening …in Brighton and now London too! https://indieweb.org/events/2016-07-27-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/757900740325208064)
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@OldTownRA Found on Twitter: #BTODAY https://twitter.com/adactio/status/757900740325208064 - It’s Homebrew Website Club tomorrow evening …in Brighton and … https://indieweb.org/events/2016-07-27-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/757904866438152193)
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ben_thatmustbeme A bit old, but interesting none the less https://blog.bufferapp.com/optimal-length-social-media
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aaronpk GWG: an itinerary is a plan, a trip is something i've actually done. I post my itinerary posts way ahead of the date of the trip, and it includes my flight/train info, and can include multiple legs of the trip: https://aaronparecki.com/2016/07/24/1/ My trip posts are posted after I've actually completed the trip, and includes the actual GPS data from the trip: https://aaronparecki.com/2016/07/25/17/
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GWG That is what I thought
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KevinMarks So itinerary is dopplr and trip is swarm?
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aaronpk my trip posts include more than just one location, I track GPS the whole time and draw a line on the map.
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aaronpk this is kind of a cute walkthrough on making a simple HTML page http://jgthms.com/web-design-in-4-minutes/
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[shaners] Very cool
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Loqi [shaners]: mblaney left you a message 3 days, 14 hours ago: my favourite thing about your logo design is that it looks like simple building blocks. mine doesn't capture that, would be interesting to find a way that could.
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[shaners] !tell mblaney Thanks. That is the goal for the IW one. It’s just a matter of finding the time to do it.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KevinMarks Gah. That tells you to make the text #555 - evil
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KevinMarks And code on #eee failing WCAG AAA
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KevinMarks The the make it fail acag completely
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tantek what are you talking about KevinMarks ?!?
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Loqi tantek: rMdes_ left you a message 7 hours, 48 minutes ago: your twitter email rant got me writing this : https://www.rmendes.net/2016/notifications-slavery-versus-attention-ecology
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "you talking about KevinMarks " yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek KevinMarks: what does that have to do with anything indieweb?!?
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KevinMarks That code walk-through that aaronpk just posted
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tantek 1.5 hours ago?
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aaronpk yeah it was a bit too low contrast
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KevinMarks The client in using doesn't show timestamps
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@timweston @RikMende I see on your Known site that you've set it to force HTTPS (https://www.rmendes.net/2016/my-self-hosted-withknown-dreamhost-indieweb-site-got-a-smooth-upgrade). Did you just edit the htaccess file? (twitter.com/_/status/758014011891933184)
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@ChrisAldrich Who's joining us for the Homebrew Website Club on Wednesday in #Pasadena / #LA area? http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/homebrew-website-club-la-2016-07-27 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/758034514933231617)
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snarfed gradually deprecates all of his poco, salmon, ostatus etc converter apps
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snarfed https://salmon-unofficial.appspot.com/ and https://twitter-webfinger.appspot.com/ etc survived....but who knows for how long :P
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KevinMarks What was the syntax for adding a see also link?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "syntax for adding a see also link" yet. Would you like to create it?
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KevinMarks Do gnu social still do ostatus?
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John_Duh Hello! I'm new to websites and all this. How do I add a rel=me to my twitter profile?
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KevinMarks If you put a link in your twitter profile, it will have a rel me included
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KevinMarks On your own site, when you link to twitter, put rel="me" just before the href=" bit of the link
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John_Duh Thank you KevinMarks! But I seem to have done something wrong. Indiewebify.me tells me my twitter isn't linking back.
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aaronpk oh dear, new indiewebify.me bug maybe?
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KevinMarks What is your site?
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John_Duh http://indiewebify.me/validate-rel-me/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fjohansundin.com
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John_Duh Instagram and facebook I haven't bothered with yet
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aaronpk it checks out fine on indieauth.com so it looks like a bug on indiewebify.me :/
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John_Duh Really?! Phew, I've spent all evening reading tutorials and installing wordpress. Makes me so happy if something is actually working now!
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KevinMarks1 is it an https ->http thing? I think twitter always uses https for t.co now in profiles
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aaronpk not sure. i spent a long time making indieauth.com's verification work properly including following all the redirects. not sure if indiewebify.me is quite up to par with it
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tantek if it helps, the current RelMeAuth PHP library implementation also works with confirming rel=me with a Twitter profile
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tantek (I mean that's what I run on my site)
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ChrisAldrich John_Duh if you're using the WordPress documents at https://indieweb.org/Getting_Started_on_WordPress to guide you along, I'd love to hear how easy/difficult things are as I've been trying to update many of them over the past week.
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gRegorLove Loqi, any messages?
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