#indieweb 2016-07-27

2016-07-27 UTC
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aaronpk New IndieWeb business model? http://i.imgur.com/FHEDOvD.png
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: do you mean an indieweb wide blocking/filtering service>
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KevinMarks Re markup in names https://twitter.com/MauriceMichael/status/758164713092046848
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@MauriceMichael Who Says </em>The New York Times</em> Is Biased? http://billmoyers.com/story/says-new-york-times-biased/ via @BillMoyersHQ (twitter.com/_/status/758164713092046848)
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rMdes_ interesting : https://dokie.li
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tantek just saw this in some email, and noticed that among the projects listed: "IndieWeb" http://get-d.net/#projects
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tantek An interesting 3rd party summary: "The IndieWeb is a global community of hackers, tinkerers, and makers that are creating communication protocols, libraries, and software to power a decentralized social web. The IndieWeb focusses heavily on “dogfooding” or using these experimental new technologies in your daily web activity."
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rMdes_ great summary indeed !
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@calum_ryan Tonight create something, update something, post something, demo something! https://indieweb.org/events/2016-07-27-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/758238117497335808)
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@joakinen What is the IndieWeb? https://indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/758270834934943745)
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rMdes have you seen this : http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/07/new-attack-that-cripples-https-crypto-works-on-macs-windows-and-linux/
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GWG !tell snarfed I am doing a run through Bridgy Publish and noticed the documentation isn't clear on query parameters on the webmention links.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@ade_oshineye @bryanrieger @stephanierieger that’s the #indieweb dream (twitter.com/_/status/758331322595176449)
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tantek huh
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@kevinmarks @ade_oshineye @bryanrieger @stephanierieger that's generation 1 of the #indieweb dream https://indieweb.org/generations (twitter.com/_/status/758335695454822401)
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tantek kevinmarks++
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Loqi kevinmarks has 243 karma (190 in this channel)
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snarfed GWG: sorry for the trouble!
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Loqi snarfed: GWG left you a message 51 minutes ago: I am doing a run through Bridgy Publish and noticed the documentation isn't clear on query parameters on the webmention links.
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snarfed can you elaborate?
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GWG snarfed: You added the ability to add query parameters to the publish link in the HTML itself. That is not in the about, but I remembered seeing the issue. It is a docs comment
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aaronpk 5 years until check if Upthere should be added to /site-deaths yet https://techcrunch.com/2016/07/27/upthere-puts-a-new-spin-on-personal-cloud-storage/
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Loqi I added a countdown scheduled for 2021-07-27 9:40am PDT (#5895)
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snarfed GWG: https://brid.gy/about#omit-link and https://brid.gy/about#ignore-formatting ?
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snarfed aww aaronpk is so pessimistic
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snarfed (silly name though)
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aaronpk just skeptical
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aaronpk they claim to be different from google drive and others but I don't buy it
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snarfed GWG: thanks for the nudge, i'll add that they can be in the target url too
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aaronpk I was hoping the "new spin on personal cloud storage" would be something more radical
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aaronpk but it's just another file hosting service
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snarfed and wow, it was founded in 2011
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snarfed or 2012. still
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aaronpk the features sound similar to what i'm scoping out on https://indieweb.org/Shoebox so I was excited at first
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GWG snarfed, I am updating the WordPress plugin to use it.
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snarfed GWG: cool! i added "...or Bridgy Publish backlink" to the docs, eg https://brid.gy/about#omit-link
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KevinMarks Upthere, from the team that brought you iDisk, then took it away
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@calum_ryan En route to Homebrew Website Club London (https://indieweb.org/events/2016-06-29-homebrew-website-club ) diverted and somewhat delayed due to terrorism scare at the station (twitter.com/_/status/758346432449568768)
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KevinMarks Google drive took a long time to get right too
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snarfed arguably more org/politics than product though
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tantek hello HWC London calumryan !
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tantek reminder: take a photo!
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calumryan tantek hi! - looks like only two of us tonight for HWC London
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calumryan discussing Jekyll/static sites and publishing out webmentions with barryf
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tantek oh neat
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tantek whither tommorris ?
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tantek and anyone here from HWC brighton? adactio ?
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adactio Here! Just about to post a photo on my site...
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Loqi adactio: tantek left you a message on 2016-06-15 at 4:31pm UTC: forgot to mention at HWC London - MozFest is coming up (once again in Ravensbourne), submit session/speaking proposals: https://mozillafestival.org/proposals ASAP!
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Loqi adactio: tantek left you a message on 2016-06-18 at 6:17am UTC: Can you confirm 2016-09-23…24 for IWC Brighton? If so, would you like a co-organizer to help with wiki page creation / editing for the event?
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Loqi adactio: tantek left you a message on 2016-06-18 at 6:22am UTC: CORRECTION: 2016-09-24…25 for IWC Brighton per https://indiewebcamp.com/Planning#Brighton_UK
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Loqi adactio: tantek left you a message on 2016-06-25 at 3:38am UTC: do you know anyone @netmag re: GenerateConf London 21-23 Sept? Perhaps co-promote for IWC Brighton 24-25 Sept? https://twitter.com/netmag/status/746644630926565376
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Loqi adactio: tantek left you a message 3 weeks, 6 days ago: Could you confirm a venue for your next HWC meetup? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-07-13-homebrew-website-club#Where
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Loqi adactio: tantek left you a message 1 week, 6 days ago: could you post an indie event and FB POSSE copy for the next HWC in your city? https://indieweb.org/events/2016-07-27-homebrew-website-club#RSVP
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Loqi adactio: tantek left you a message 1 week, 5 days ago: can you confirm a venue for HWC Brighton on the 27th? https://indieweb.org/events/2016-07-27-homebrew-website-club#Where
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tantek lolololol
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tantek adactio, is there an indie event for IWC Brighton?
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aaronpk haha sorry for the !tell backfill
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Loqi hehe
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aaronpk fixed it recently and turns out it had been not quite working for a while
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adactio There's a blog post on my site for IWC Brighton, which accepts webmentions but not RSVPs specifically.
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tantek adactio - ooh sounds like a neat hack project for you to somehow know when to accept RVSPs
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tantek if your post is primarily about an event
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tantek IN THE FUTURE
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adactio Here's the turnout at HWC Brighton: https://adactio.com/notes/11028
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Loqi [Jeremy Keith] Great turnout for Homebrew Website Club in Brighton this evening! Great turnout for Homebrew Website Club in Brighton this evening! https://adactio.com/images/uploaded/11028/large.jpg
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tantek hah - you took the "indieweb" shorturl for 2016 for IWC Brighton on Lanyrd: http://lanyrd.com/2016/indieweb/
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Loqi Indie Web Camp Brighton 2016
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tantek that's a great turnout!!!
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tantek adactio, do you have an upcoming events section on your site where you link to your upcoming event posts?
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adactio tantek: No, I have an upcoming events page (of where I'll be speaking) but it's a hard-coded list: https://adactio.com/about/speaking
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tantek I hear you on hardcoded upcoming events, mine is on my home page but also hardcoded :/
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tantek adactio, this? https://adactio.com/journal/10950
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Loqi [Jeremy Keith] Save the dates for Indie Web Camp Brighton 2016
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adactio tantek: Tha's the one. I'll probably write mroe in the run-up too.
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tantek I'll try RSVPing to it and see what your site does
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tantek thanks for the photo adactio, added: https://indieweb.org/events/2016-07-27-homebrew-website-club#Photos - and as the first to post a photo, pretty sure that means yours will get featured in this week's This Week
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tantek adactio, you support tagging your photos right? how much work would it be for you to add /person-tags to https://adactio.com/notes/11028 ?
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Loqi [Jeremy Keith] Great turnout for Homebrew Website Club in Brighton this evening! Great turnout for Homebrew Website Club in Brighton this evening! https://adactio.com/images/uploaded/11028/large.jpg
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calumryan HWC London https://calumryan.com/note.php?noteId=302 (excuse the low res selfie)
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Loqi [Calum Ryan] HWC London with @barryf
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cweiske ben_thatmustbeme, is it possible to pre-fill fields in https://ben.thatmustbe.me/new by passing GET parameters?
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cweiske jonnybarnes, is it possible to pre-fill fields in https://jonnybarnes.uk/notes/new by passing GET parameters?
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GWG snarfed: You are still using Indiewebcamp over Indieweb as well.
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snarfed1 GWG: yup, everyone is until they explicitly update their links
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GWG snarfed, is this issue filing territory?
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snarfed GWG: no. thanks though!
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GWG I meant docs in general. I am trying to figure out how to get the output I want, so I was reading that section closely.
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GWG snarfed, not counting my own itches, I get issues filed if the plugin doesn't work well for others. Trying to scope out both.
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@tvnweb @benjaminparry https://indieweb.org/events/2016-08-06-homebrew-website-club-sprint Come! (twitter.com/_/status/758385547152875520)
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@tvnweb @Lottejackson https://indieweb.org/events/2016-08-06-homebrew-website-club-sprint Come! :) (twitter.com/_/status/758385650987139072)
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snarfed GWG: cool. feel free to file anything you want!
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GWG snarfed, problem is that Bridgy uses microformats and for WordPress, that isn't a plugin domain.
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GWG So I have to tread carefully.
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ChrisAldrich GWG: Sorry I missed you last night, a small monkey "woke up" my computer when I wasn't around.
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ben_thatmustbeme cweiske: yes
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ben_thatmustbeme https://ben.thatmustbe.me/new?reply_to=https%3A%2F%2Fben.thatmustbe.me%2Fnote%2F2015%2F12%2F8%2F2%2F
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ben_thatmustbeme example
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GWG People's computers often do that, which is why I often don't say hi
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@benjaminparry @MattGreenfield2 @andyhans3n ~ @tvnweb is putting on an @IndieWebCampUK website day, you should both go! https://indieweb.org/events/2016-08-06-homebrew-website-club-sprint (twitter.com/_/status/758388328593055745)
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cweiske ben_thatmustbeme, but form field names and URL parameter names don't match as it seems
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@tvnweb @paulrobertlloyd https://indieweb.org/events/2016-08-06-homebrew-website-club-sprint Come! :) (twitter.com/_/status/758388457412657152)
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ben_thatmustbeme cweiske: nope, PR welcome, i suppose. I don't really use that endpoint anymore, I tend to just use mobilepub https://github.com/dissolve/postly/blob/master/controller/micropub/client.php
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cweiske hm ok
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ChrisAldrich GWG: It's okay, I'll see it eventually and tip my hat back.
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ChrisAldrich GWG I banged on your twitter fix on post kinds yesterday and it seems to work as expected.
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ChrisAldrich I'm setting up a fresh WordPress install to hack on / demo tonight at HWC. I think we'll have at least a few WP folks there.
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@gRegorLove Hey, Bellingham, want to work on your personal website? Come out to Homebrew Website Club August 10 @WoodsCoffee! https://indieweb.org/events/2016-08-10-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/758415108171190272)
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tantek aaronpk, to figure out "what problem to solve" for albums, e.g. for representing them in mf2, there needs to first be a "what is the UI / presentation we are solving for" documented perhaps at least as a brainstorm, e.g. on /album#Brainstorming that distinguishes it from a /collection
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aaronpk there is a lot more prior art around albums than there are around collections
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tantek that doesn't make sense as albums are just a special case of collections
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aaronpk what is a collection?
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Loqi A collection is a type of post that explicitly lists and/or embeds multiple other posts chosen by the author https://indieweb.org/collection
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aaronpk only silo example is storify
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aaronpk but there are a million sites that let you publish photo albums
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tantek huh? that doesn't refute my statement
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tantek all silo photo album examples are also silo collection examples
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aaronpk i'm saying i think the inverse is the case. there needs to be more brainstorming around collections to differentiate them from albums.
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aaronpk cause there are way more examples of albums
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tantek not on the wiki
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tantek the /collection page is more thorough currently
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tantek each has one silo example
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tantek each could do with more documented prior art
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tantek and more brainstorming
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tantek point stands. need more UI/presentation brainstorming to make progress on these types of posts
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calumryan made some changes at HWC tonight to meta tags for webmentions on my notes section. They should now have the correct URL point should anyone try sending a response
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calumryan We’ve a provisional date for the next London HWC
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calumryan This should be 2016/08/24
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@kevinmarks “to make sense of the economic world around me, I have found nothing as reliably good as the blogosphere” http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e460ba78-5379-11e6-9664-e0bdc13c3bef.html #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/758446363059245056)
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[kevinmarks] Pinterest is prior art, and presumably pinboard too
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tantek you know the drill ;)
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tantek pinboard is more bookmarking though right?
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tantek Pinterest with their "boards" definitely do look like collections
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