#indieweb 2016-07-28

2016-07-28 UTC
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CherryPuffs Pinterest <3
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KevinMarks The tags act as collections of sorts, but maybe that is different
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KevinMarks Flickr certainly had both
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aaronpk has
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aaronpk yes, collections have a chosen ordering. tags usually show the items in reverse chronological.
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KevinMarks "I'm not dead yet" says flickr on the cart
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KevinMarks Is a link round-up or "tab round-up" a collection post?
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aaronpk possibly. examples?
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KevinMarks https://theoverspill.wordpress.com
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KevinMarks Posts one a day
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KevinMarks https://www.oreilly.com/feed/four-short-links
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aaronpk interesting
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KevinMarks In a sense the very old school blog model where you added short link+comment entries to a daily post fit the pattern
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tantek I think that's how I started my blog
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tantek before I had figured out what original content I wanted to write / say
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tantek yup: http://tantek.com/log/2002/08.html#L20020808t2345
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tantek oh dear Yahoo Groups deleted old groups?!?
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KevinMarks Right. Standalone pages per post came later
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KevinMarks Moveable type maybe
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tantek KevinMarks: no not the format, the content
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tantek in terms of one post with four links in it and comments about them
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tantek per the example you cited
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tantek that's the interesting aspect
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tantek not the "fragment on a page vs. its own permalink page URL" plumbing ness
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aaronpk interesting
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KevinMarks Blogger and radio both had a permalink for the day and name/I'd links for each entry originally
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aaronpk does that mean those paper.li posts are also collections? lol
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KevinMarks Right, but I think the change did affect writing style
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aaronpk eh, permalink vs fragment on a page are about the same for those. they are both individual posts, as in the old posts are not updated, and instead new posts are added.
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aaronpk like tantek said the interesting part is the format of the individual posts
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@ChrisAldrich #indieweb @ChrisAldrich: Quiet writing hours for the first Homebrew Website Club in Pasadena, CA are in full swing. 4 people already here. (twitter.com/_/status/758467139896565760)
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tantek we're currently lolling about this in HWC SF: https://twitter.com/bradfitz/status/566072337020112896
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@bradfitz Do NOT buy a @Nest Protect smoke alarm. They false alarm and are unhushable pieces of crap. Spread the word. Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpsMkLaEiOY (twitter.com/_/status/566072337020112896)
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aaronpk heh
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aaronpk i have a nest, it's fine
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aaronpk https://twitter.com/eastdakota/status/566075609697107969
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@eastdakota @ndsimpson4 @bradfitz @nest @octal dirty power common on PG&E SF causes small blips in light emitter. Nest interprets as smoke. (twitter.com/_/status/566075609697107969)
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tantek aaronpk: nest smoke alarm?
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aaronpk yeah
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tantek supposedly the v2 fixed the problem brad was having (updating in the description on the youtube)
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aaronpk when you test them, the voice is hilarious. so polite and calm.
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aaronpk and it warns you like 5 times that it's about to make a loud noise and not to panic.
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tantek we're thinking it sounds like either the evil computer from Portal or "Alice" from Resident Evil (of the Umbrella Corporation)
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aaronpk wonders who did the voice acting for it
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tantek I don't understand how to submit *someone else's page* to Indienews https://news.indieweb.org/how-to-submit-a-post
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aaronpk Does this need more clarification?
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aaronpk "To submit someone else's post, you can post a bookmark on your site and submit that URL to IndieNews! Post an h-entry as normal, then include a u-bookmark-of property linking to the actual URL you want to submit."
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tantek ohh bookmark!
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tantek I can't read :(
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aaronpk Probably an example there would help too
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tantek oh boy I might have to post my first bookmark
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tantek hey it's HWC day, time to do something novel!
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tantek here goes nothing
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@t Appreciating @megnut’s post on #SF invasion vs #webpeople+#personalsites. #indieweb from 2000: http://megnut.com/2000/04/ive-been-thinking-a-lot/ (ttk.me t4iV2) (twitter.com/_/status/758472755675148288)
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tantek oh dear: "No hub at pubsubhubbub.superfeedr.com"
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tantek aaronpk - um, I tried? https://news.indieweb.org/en
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tantek something happened
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tantek checks post type discovery to see what it says about bookmarks
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tantek ah, under consideration
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tantek oh look time to start!
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: It's homebrew website club time, get ready (twitter.com/_/status/758475131668881408)
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KevinMarks I know someone who did some voice acting for them
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: welcome to Homebrew Website Club at Mozilla - you can always check when it is at https://indieweb.org/next-hwc (twitter.com/_/status/758475971070754823)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: Nuremberg has a Homebrew Website club on the alternate weeks from us (twitter.com/_/status/758476183680024576)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: August 27-28 we have an Indiewebcamp New York City - the 2nd this year. Hopefully there won't be a blizzard this time. (twitter.com/_/status/758476363401666560)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: London and Brighton both had Homebrew Website Clubs earlier today - Göteborg is on summer break (twitter.com/_/status/758476891565293569)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: I added a minor thing on my website - I did my first bookmark post http://tantek.com/2016/209/t2/sf-webpeople-personalsites-indieweb with book mark emoji (twitter.com/_/status/758477121731825664)
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aaronpk tantek: did you see what the response from the webmention was? it will tell you what is wrong
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: because I linked to Indienews https://news.indieweb.org/en - the post shows up on Indienews, the indie hacker news (twitter.com/_/status/758477337096757248)
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aaronpk oh it worked, it's onthe site but the IRC notificiation just didn't make it through
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: it shows up because I sent a webmention to indienews - webmention is general and different sites can interpret the meaning (twitter.com/_/status/758478284212543488)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: indienews is decentralized hacker news (twitter.com/_/status/758478333457866752)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: I have been making my own linux distro UBOS meant to make sysadmin easier for you (twitter.com/_/status/758478826687045632)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: so for example it take s a single commmand to install @withknown - and a single command to update the whole thing (twitter.com/_/status/758478979020054528)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: I now have mattermost which is an open source slack implementation you can install (twitter.com/_/status/758479098712907776)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: we also have wordpress with the indieweb plugins and mediawiki (twitter.com/_/status/758479200605077504)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: we also have one-click offsite encrypted back up - it will zip up the whole server and put it on amazon s3 (twitter.com/_/status/758479332465582082)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: so you can run one command on raspberry pi and one on amazon and move your entire server. (twitter.com/_/status/758479426279596032)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: it can now set up a website and get an ssl cert in one go (twitter.com/_/status/758479493480771585)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: there is an Amazon ec2 image and a virtualbox image if you want to try it (twitter.com/_/status/758479950378827776)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: explaining how to livetweet myself, hoping someone will do it for me (twitter.com/_/status/758480371155628032)
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tantek Kevinmarks is live tweeting from the podium at HWC SF
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tantek KevinMarks: a small change I made on my website this week kevinmarks.com is to give it a more responsive layout
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tantek KevinMarks: I pulled out the h-card and webmention responses to my post, and put them on the side, then I found that the webmention responses were oldest first
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tantek KevinMarks: this is a static webpage (shows Decentarlized Web Summit 2016-06-07 notes) with webmentions showing on the side
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tantek KevinMarks: I also helped my friend Christopher Allen (alifewithalacrity.com) - he asked me to help convert it it indieweb
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tantek KevinMarks: I did a couple of things, first of all I mirrored the entire site
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tantek KevinMarks: I downloaded his site using @aaronpk's SpiderPig
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GWG Evening
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tantek KevinMarks: I've got his site archived statically, but then I did an export from Movable Type, ran it through a script I wrote to convert those for markup for a static site generator called Hugo
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tantek KevinMarks: I now have all his posts with cleaner layout, responsive, and with microformats
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tantek KevinMarks: I went with Hugo because it seemed like a good fit for Christopher, because it's something you run on the command line, and check files into github, which are things he's comfortable with
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tantek KevinMarks: It's reasonably mature, has templates, kind of programmery, the nice thing about it being in Go, it's just a binary you install, and then create some files and run a command
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tantek KevinMarks: I've got a big data-chain of tools here, and I'm going to publish those on my site
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tantek KevinMarks: One more thing I'm working on. This week Twitter opened up Verification to everyone.
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tantek KevinMarks: What if we could distribute verification? We already have rel=me
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@sdepolo #indieweb @kevinmarks: demonstrating converting http://www.lifewithalacrity.com to indieWeb in Hugo (twitter.com/_/status/758482194868342784)
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tantek KevinMarks: I wrote a thing to look for rel=me links, put a ? on them, and then changes it to a tick or a cross if it verifies them or not
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tantek KevinMarks: that's my hack of the fortnight
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tantek @jakehartnell
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tantek and @common_garden
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @JakeHartnell: I'm Jake and my site is http://commongarden.org (twitter.com/_/status/758483281599946752)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @JakeHartnell: I'm really intersted in giving people more control over IoT (twitter.com/_/status/758483367142780928)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @JakeHartnell: http://commongarden.org is about giving people more control over agriculture (twitter.com/_/status/758483460143124480)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @JakeHartnell: set up your own IoT server that lets you set up control over watering, lighting and pH for growing (twitter.com/_/status/758483594327228416)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @JakeHartnell: we started a project called GrowIoT -so you have control (twitter.com/_/status/758483733938860032)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @JakeHartnell: there is a bunch of bullshit out there that makes you go through their servers every time, we want you to control (twitter.com/_/status/758483804222816256)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @JakeHartnell: there is a Tessel 2 board designed to make this easier (twitter.com/_/status/758483906580606976)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @JakeHartnell: GrowIoT is a meteor app at the moment, based on w3c's Web of things framework, using JSON representations (twitter.com/_/status/758484127582658560)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @JakeHartnell: the idea is to have a general UI and see data streaming in and put data into a database you own (twitter.com/_/status/758484223418400768)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: I want to have it on ubox - how do I get it? (twitter.com/_/status/758484277902311424)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @JakeHartnell: yes, we can make that work (twitter.com/_/status/758484318960443396)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: There was a thing today where a cat feeder company server went down, so cats aren't getting fed (twitter.com/_/status/758484531611590656)
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@sdepolo .@JakeHartnell showing how http://commongarden.org grow-IoT project. Let's you build #IoT in databases you own. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/758484625303883776)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @JakeHartnell: we're working with companies who are growing things like algae - they want their own data sets (twitter.com/_/status/758484677640458241)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @JakeHartnell: I'm growing a redwood tree in hydroponics - when they start out they are really tiny (twitter.com/_/status/758484822058737664)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @JakeHartnell: actually, a tree is a really good investment - if you start from seeds trees double in price every 2 years (twitter.com/_/status/758485061423525888)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @JakeHartnell: it's not as simple as just turning things on and off - hysteresis is a big thing here (twitter.com/_/status/758485520553021440)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: http://teach.kqed.org/ is a community space powered by @withknown (twitter.com/_/status/758485921415266305)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: the way you pass courses is by posting on a social network (twitter.com/_/status/758486090718273536)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @withknown: http://teach.kqed.org/ is a community space powered by Known, and there are more coming (twitter.com/_/status/758486363532558336)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @withknown: the way you pass courses is by posting on a social network, and comments are all indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/758486457598214144)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @withknown: Known is good for groups of people who either need to publish publicly or privately (twitter.com/_/status/758486589144195073)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @withknown: there is a lot of value in building communities, and it's not in opposition t people having their own sites (twitter.com/_/status/758486819868663808)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @withknown: also Known is hiring a PHP developer - so if you want to build communities on known contact us (twitter.com/_/status/758487028522704896)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: I have stickers fresh from portland - come get them (twitter.com/_/status/758487272782172161)
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tantek reminder Portland and LA - take a upload photos!
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tantek aaronpk:
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tantek ChrisAldrich:
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tantek ^^^
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@kevinmarks Notes from tonight's Homebrew Website Club SF on my site at http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2016-07-27.html #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/758500177170739200)
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aaronpk oh wow google photos does the same full-justified layout that flickr does
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@ChrisAldrich First Homebrew Website Club meetup in Pasadena http://boffosocko.com/2016/07/27/homebrew-website-club-meetup-pasadena-los-angeles/ @angelogladding @jerveytervalon #IndieWeb https://twitter.com/ChrisAldrich/status/758553920083890176/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/758553920083890176)
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@kevinmarks “he met a web designer at a party the other night, he says,‘oh, do you have a personal site?’ Her: ‘no.’” http://megnut.com/2000/04/ive-been-thinking-a-lot/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/758557777610444801)
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cweiske (that was 2000)
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@RikMende @LancasterSci @rushkoff you should check out the #indieweb movement https://indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/758583457689763840)
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Ruxton from 2000, but still so damn fitting 16 years on
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pfefferle good morning
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petermolnar morning pfefferle
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Loqi good morning
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cmal good morning everyone :)
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Loqi morning!
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petermolnar happy Loqi is happy
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cmal :)
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@acegiak Apparently my bind9 configuration died along with parts of my wp db in this hdd crash. So much restoration to do. #indieweb fail. (twitter.com/_/status/758626791963582465)
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cweiske that's more a backup fail
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petermolnar hdds fail
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petermolnar that is expected from them
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voxpelli loves to not have to maintain his servers himself because of that
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petermolnar voxpelli you're not indie enough :P :) ( on the other hand, "never go full indie" )
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voxpelli petermolnar: the true indie I guess: http://www.homebrewcpu.com/ ;)
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voxpelli http://www.magic-1.org/ – This web page is being served by a completely home-built computer: Bill Buzbee's Magic-1 HomebrewCPU. Magic-1 doesn't use an off-the-shelf CPU. Instead, its custom CPU is built out of ~200 74 series TTL chips.
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petermolnar O.O
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petermolnar that is definitely "you went full indie. Never go full indie"
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cweiske "887 hits since last reboot"
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cmal or, let's all go full-indie together :D
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cweiske that'd also mean making your own internet connection, own current etc
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cmal cweiske: well, sure, that's precisely what we need to do
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cmal that's precisely what Guifi and the FDN Federation do (respectively in Spain and France, mostly)
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cmal home-grown autonomous ISPs with many cases of using solar power and wifi routers to connect whole villages that didn't have Internet access at all
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cmal I'm curious regarding rel=me links, is there a way to mark certain rel=me links as links that should not be parsed for authentication? for example if I want to disable authentication through Twitter and only keep Github, for instance? should I just remove the rel=me part? but then I'd lose the semantic information that these links correspond to the same person?
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petermolnar cmal there is a problem with going full indie: what things are allowed to be bought pre-done? Are transistors ok or do I need raw silicium to carve my own transistors?
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petermolnar I guess I went too offtopic
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petermolnar sorry
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cmal not really, that's a fair point, given the eco-toxicity of our components and the fact they're produced by children in Asia, and made out of ore extracted by children in Africa is a very legitimate concern
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cmal the problem is this specific issue regarding IT is actually just a facet of the much larger issue of our individual and collective relationships to production and ownership
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cmal self-management for control of industrial processes, and the abolition of property for sharing with the masses is the only way to tackle planned obsolescence and exploitation
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cmal because then only we'll stop thinking about how to make computers for profit, and start thinking how to cooperatively make computers out of cheap, local and recyclable materials
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cmal but hey, I guess that's the same problem with food production (Monsanto vs organic cooperatives), with
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cmal etc.
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petermolnar you need to eliminate the urge to own
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petermolnar and that is extremely hard
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cmal it's neither hard nor easy, it's a cultural perspective
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cmal the relationship to ownership changes in every culture
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Kongaloosh hola
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cmal there's even whole cultures without concepts of ownership
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cmal hola
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Kongaloosh quick question: besides what's listed under collections, does anyone have a good example of photo albums?
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Kongaloosh I'm re-thinking how I'm going to present collections of images
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rMdes_ Kongaloosh, I tried to create a collection of images using this indieweb tool, but did'nt worked at all with my Known : http://photopostr.tpxl.io/
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Kongaloosh rMdes++
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Loqi rmdes has 8 karma (3 in this channel)
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Kongaloosh never seen that before, thanks
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Kongaloosh huh, looks like I can't authenticate
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Kongaloosh I'm thinking specifically about formatting, I guess.
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rMdes_ Kongaloosh, u should have a working micropub/indieauth for it to log-in
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rMdes_ the reason why I can't create post from it, while I can from Quill is unknoown to me
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rMdes_ this is interesting too : https://github.com/Decentralized-Sharing-Working-Group/micropub_client seems like Cozy has some micropub support & ability to post notes/photos
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Kongaloosh I can sign into quill and micropub is functional for me
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Kongaloosh like, right now I'm using OYG
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rMdes_ Quill works for me too
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rMdes_ but no way to use photo-postr, maybe Im missing something
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@RikMende Great #Indieweb short definition > source : http://get-d.net/#projects (https://www.rmendes.net/2016/great-indieweb-short-definition-source--dnetprojects) (twitter.com/_/status/758656799331323904)
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cweiske is there any micropub client with formatting support (bold, italic, source code...)?
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cweiske https://www.w3.org/TR/micropub/#new-article defines content[html] for that. question is if someone support that
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Micropub
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sknebel cmal re your rel=me question: no, there isn't, I asked the same thing a few months back ;)
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cmal sknebel: thanks!
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cmal do you know if anyone more is interested in this question? should I just start discussion on the wiki?
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sknebel cmal: don't remember any particular interest. If you start something on the wiki I'll add the link to the discussion if I find it again
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cmal great, thanks :)
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sknebel cmal: found it https://indieweb.org/irc/2016-01-24#t1453655485603
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aaronpk continues research on photo albums
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aaronpk anyone else publishing photo albums on their site yet?
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cweiske I have collections of screenshots in normal posts
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cweiske no "standalone" albums
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aaronpk that's interesting, so just like a bunch of photos in a post?
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aaronpk with narrative text around them i assume?
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cweiske http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/embedded-lyrics.htm#foobar2000sl3
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Loqi [Christian Weiske] Lyrics in ogg/vorbis and mp3 files
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cweiske http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/ouya-tomb-raider.htm#screenshots
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Loqi [Christian Weiske] Playing Tomb Raider 1 on OUYA
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aaronpk makes sense
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cweiske the images are additions to the text
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cweiske text is fine without the images
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aaronpk and those images don't have their own posts? (they only exist within that post with the text?)
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cweiske yes
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cweiske in my eyes they are only meaningful in context of the post
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bear 0
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aaronpk welcome back bear!
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bear thanks
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bear you don't realize how attached you are to the Internet until you are without it for a week
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@tvnweb A few of us are getting together in Brighton next Saturday to work on our personal websites. Join! https://indieweb.org/events/2016-08-06-homebrew-website-club-sprint #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/758702298604462080)
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cweiske aaronpk, are you aware of micropub clients or receivers which support content[html]?
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aaronpk Quill uses it for the HTML editor, and my endpoint accepts it
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snarfed this is so so cool: https://twitter.com/fatih/status/758355980442828800
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@fatih Question: "We should add this new feature" Others: "Not sure it's worth" #Golang: Thug life 😎 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoY3loJXgAEtunq.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/758355980442828800)
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snarfed it's exactly the kind of thing i was envisioning when i wrote up https://snarfed.org/indie-stats
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Loqi [Ryan Barrett] Indie stats
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snarfed (props to bear etc)
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aaronpk neat
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rMdes_ aaronpk, interested in photo albums too, but really no clue on where to start beside this starting point : http://photopostr.tpxl.io/
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snarfed background: https://github.com/blog/2201-making-open-source-data-more-available
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aaronpk rMdes_: that's an interesting approach
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aaronpk that's sorta similar to my first draft implementation of it
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@sdepolo #indieweb @kevinmarks: demonstrating converting http://www.lifewithalacrity.com to indieWeb in Hugo (twitter.com/_/status/758711418015408129)
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voxpelli cweiske: my endpoints accept it as well (and by default converts it to Markdown, because I'm crazy)
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cweiske that might prevent some XSS :)
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cweiske unless your html2md converter creates html sections for markup-not-expressible-in-markdown
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voxpelli I intend my endpoint to be fully XSS vulnerable :)
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aaronpk yeah same, since i'm the only one that's posting content to it
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aaronpk and only using clients i trust
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voxpelli only truested parties should have access to it and they should be allowed to be as crazy as they wish
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aaronpk I sanitize the heck out of HTML I get in comments tho
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voxpelli webmentions on the other hand – there I do plain text only
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voxpelli aaronpk: whitelist based approach?
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aaronpk yeah, a set of basic html tags for formatting, and then I also remove all attributes except microformats2 classes
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voxpelli has to start preserving some html amongst his comments as well – like bold, italic and links
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voxpelli aaronpk: do you insert something like nofollow?
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aaronpk no
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aaronpk check out what it does to the HTML in your article tho! http://xray.p3k.io/parse?url=http%3A%2F%2Fvoxpelli.com%2F2016%2F07%2Fbetter-handle-npm-modules%2F
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aaronpk (my site uses xray to do the parsing/sanitization)
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voxpelli aaronpk: nice that you preserve code and pre :)
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rMdes_ http://xray.p3k.io/parse?url=https://www.rmendes.net/2016/great-indieweb-short-definition-source--dnetprojects
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aaronpk nice example of preserving the p-category class in your html :)
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cweiske it doesn't cope with CDATA blocks
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cweiske :/
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aaronpk "cope with"?
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cweiske http://xray.p3k.io/parse?url=http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/xhtml-entities.htm vs. view-source:http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/xhtml-entities.htm
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cweiske strips content inside cdata blocks
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cweiske when I give XML/HTML example code, I simply wrap it in CDATA sections
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aaronpk is cdata part of html or is that xhtml?
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cweiske xhtml
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aaronpk pretty sure i'm parsing everything as html only
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voxpelli seems to only be supported in foreign elements: https://developers.whatwg.org/syntax.html#syntax-cdata
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cweiske voxpelli, i'm delivering my pages as content-type: application/xhtml+xml
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cweiske so browers display the cdata sections fine
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voxpelli cweiske: thinking about how an html5 parser is expected to handle it
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voxpelli not sure that link was the right one though – somewhere in the html5 docs there's probably a description of what's the right way to deal with it
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@caseyisreading ✌ @Reading "events/2016-08-06-homebrew-website-club-sprint - IndieWeb" https://www.reading.am/p/4nuN/https://indieweb.org/events/2016-08-06-homebrew-website-club-sprint (twitter.com/_/status/758719253499478016)
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voxpelli cweiske: seems to be list here as well, right? https://glennjones.net/tools/microformats/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcweiske.de%2Ftagebuch%2Fxhtml-entities.htm&callback=&dateformat=auto
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cweiske the whole "<?xml version..." and "<!DOCTYPE" code is missing
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cweiske from http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/xhtml-entities.htm#include-declarations
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Loqi [Christian Weiske] Entities in modular XHTML
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voxpelli It might be more correct for the parsers to reject any html that wants to be parsed as xml
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voxpelli As very few likely support parsing them as xml
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cweiske I tell them via the content type that is shall be parsed as xml
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voxpelli cweiske: yes, and if they don't have an xml-based path in their parser then they can't interpret your document correctly
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cweiske yes
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voxpelli and the correct way to parse xml is to fail whenever one can't support it fully
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aaronpk has no intention of parsing xhtml/xml
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voxpelli or rather to fail whenever the xml document has an error, but one can't really know if one can't parse it as xml
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Loqi I wake up
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Loqi Countdown set by wagle on 2016-06-28 at 5:47pm UTC
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voxpelli ?
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cweiske loqi can be used as chat cron
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wagle i have no idea, sorry
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cweiske Loqi, remind me to do this in 5 minutes
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cweiske no idea what the command was
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aaronpk https://chat.indieweb.org/2016-06-28#t1467136059219000
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voxpelli aaronpk: the sticky menu work a bit bad with the hashes :/
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aaronpk yeah, i'm gonna change it to a sidebar
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cweiske and on my phone I don't see prev/next links
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voxpelli maybe have a javascript that scrolls so that the actual hash-target is below the menu?
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voxpelli that's another solution :)
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aaronpk sidebar should solve both those issues
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aaronpk that's also how my IRC client and Slack work, so probably a good pattern to follow
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cweiske a real solution is to disable scrolling on html/body
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cweiske and enable overflow scrolling on the content
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cweiske then the browser handles anchors correctly
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voxpelli wonders if there eventually will be a non-js solution to hashes + sticky headers
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aaronpk ah yeah i'll probably do that too
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cweiske voxpelli, :)
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cweiske ther eis
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wagle OOOooo
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voxpelli I was thinking some kind of offset based one
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wagle it was fixed long ago
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aaronpk cweiske: http://rubular.com/r/LZGkZsen5I :-) I'll add that soon
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cweiske http://p.cweiske.de/224
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cweiske working example: http://p.cweiske.de/224/rev-raw/a030a345e24c1bcbc7205199bebc48cf8b515e7a/phork0.htm
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voxpelli cweiske: sure, was referring to one with position: sticky that actually scrolls the window itself rather than a box within the window
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cweiske ahok
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cweiske there is none
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voxpelli I know :)
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cweiske I spent 2 days exploring this a year ago
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cweiske then we used my solution
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voxpelli but now we have smooth-scroll so who knows, may still happen
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gRegorLove Haha, that Loqi "I wake up" was funny. I read it like Loqi was arising to give us the countdown reminder.
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Loqi rofl
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aaronpk rMdes_: i just noticed your twitter avatar is a desaturated version of the one on your website, that's neat
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rMdes_ yeah i was trying to find a tweak to avoid having same picture twice via twitter
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aaronpk good idea
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rMdes_ ended up using the desatured version on both side
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rMdes_ unless i'm having cache problems again :)
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aaronpk ah the twitter preview still shows the full color one
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rMdes_ i'm waiting a good opportuniy to have a more current picture & then do so
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rMdes_ i have been bothered by this situation : http://prntscr.com/byqgak
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aaronpk that's one of the reasons i stopped including a link to my post in my tweets
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rMdes_ i think i will force my twitter card picture to be some other
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rMdes_ so i can keep my profile pic on my site & on twitter, but the default img would be a static image that I can control
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rMdes_ then if image on the post it should show the image, that's what i'm trying to sketch
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aaronpk makes sense
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rMdes_ wondering if i could override og:image tag
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Kongaloosh Jammy_Stuff: do you have webmentions yet?
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Jammy_Stuff I do not :(
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[kevinmarks] The way that works for notes on known is annoying
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Kongaloosh Jammy_Stuff: you should do that
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Kongaloosh so you can comment on my polar bears
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Jammy_Stuff maybe someday
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[shaunguice] kevinmarks what do you mean?
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[shaunguice] got <screenshot> or <link>
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[kevinmarks] What rmdes was saying - the twitter card shows the same thing 3 times, but incomplete and with the author photo
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rMdes_ thinkering how to solve this & no way to dinamically rewrite og:image from what I see
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rMdes_ could be changed if Known allowed to configure og: properties & untie it from author image
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tantek rMdes what's your use case for og:image or any og: properties?
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rMdes_ og:image when what I share goes either to facebook, twitter (not sure if twitter cards use them) but it definitely "read" display the image from post well
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rMdes_ i want it display the target url i'm sending people to or if any my won site-wide og:image
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rMdes_ own*
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rMdes_ ideally to me the p author image should be distinct of the og:image site wide property
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tantek rMdes_: if you have a wide enough image already on the page, FB will pick it up automatically when your "share goes to facebook"
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tantek pretty sure we documented this somewhere
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rMdes_ yes this is already the case
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rMdes_ for bookmarks, posts
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rMdes_ but not for text status update in known
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rMdes_ when you send those, the og properties read by either twitter or facebook is my author image
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tantek Twitter doesn't do any image reading "automatically"
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rMdes_ or for exemple this "post" had no image, so defautl to author image https://twitter.com/RikMende/status/757884197964918784
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@RikMende Notifications Slavery versus Attention Ecology #android #privacy #attention #notifications: https://www.rmendes.net/2016/notifications-slavery-versus-attention-ecology (twitter.com/_/status/757884197964918784)
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tantek if your author image is wide (high resolution) enough then yes it may be picked up by FB
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rMdes_ it does read auto if you validate your site here https://cards-dev.twitter.com/validator
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tantek huh - that's news
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tantek it's reading that from your twitter:image
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rMdes_ once you valide the domain once, and if your site support it, then it start doing cards preview of your links
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tantek my point is if you omit all the og: and Twitter: - Twitter won't read anything automatically
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tantek OMS and then there is all the meta name="DC.*** stuff
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tantek so much metabloat
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tantek point being, vast majority of that is unnecessary
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tantek all the DC. stuff in particular is odd - is that in Known by default?
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tantek nothing useful AFAIK consumes any of it, that doesn't get the *visible* info instead
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tantek e.g. DC.title - use just <title>
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tantek DC.description - no need, when Google says to use meta name=description
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tantek etc.
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rMdes_ this is all default in known
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tantek Greenify sounds amazing
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tantek wow
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rMdes_ it is :)
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rMdes_ if rooted completely amazing
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rMdes_ it has a accesibility service loaded that will hinernate your apps the moment you lock your phone (beside those that you can always whitelist)
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tantek that's the bit that's super cool
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tantek I have a variety of posts about how I reduce notifications: https://www.google.com/#q=site%3Atantek.com+notifications perhaps I should collect my latest practices into a blog post like you did
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rMdes_ you can really break your phone if you grennify some systems apps, but still if rooted you can greenify plenty of "system apps" knowing what you're doing that are just bloating the device all the time for no reason
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tantek p.s. that Twitter validator sent me back a JSON download when I tried my domain :P
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tantek indeed
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rMdes_ CM 13 also allow to tweak by app a bunch of things like auto-wake, auto-start, start at boot, turn this 3 things off and it's amazing how you invert the system
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rMdes_ no more notifications, you actually have to open the app when you want
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rMdes_ you can also hide notification by app, all this is really easy to setup & native, no third party app, just core
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rMdes_ just a shame i cant export my config state of one device & load it into another devide with the same rom
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gRegorLove What is Greenify?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Greenify" yet. Would you like to create it?
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gRegorLove rMdes_: I wonder if you cook hook into Known's OGP stuff with a plugin.
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rMdes_ mapkyca did this : https://github.com/mapkyca/IdnoOpenGraph/
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rMdes_ but to what i understood this plugin allow to embed a external links better, the main difference is when using Known bookmarks
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rMdes_ this plugin does the card around the url here : https://www.rmendes.net/2016/new-attack-bypasses-https-protection-on-macs-windows-and-linux
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gRegorLove May be as simple as updating this in your theme (or in your custom theme) https://github.com/idno/Known/blob/d8fcda2aac527000ee43ab2b59575214c8c1c758/templates/default/shell/opengraph.tpl.php
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rMdes_ without the plugin installed, a bookmark on known would only display the link
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gRegorLove "cook hook"? Hahah. Fingers aren't connected to my brain today.
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Loqi hahahaha
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rMdes_ hmm thanks i was looking for this
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rMdes_ i should have searched on github :)
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gRegorLove More info here: http://docs.withknown.com/en/latest/developers/templating/
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Loqi totally
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rMdes_ yes I'm reading the docs a lot more lately, i really want to get around how theme works
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rMdes_ what is Greenify ?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/Greenify
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rMdes_ my work for the weekend :p https://www.rmendes.net/2016/ogimage-fix-for-known
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Loqi [Rick Mendes] og:image fix for Known (in progress)
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ChrisAldrich I'd welcome anyone here to add to the comment thread at https://github.com/Automattic/jetpack/issues/4470 to encourage WordPress/Jetpack/Automattic to help support the microformats2 version of h-recipe #OneMicroformatAtATime
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@sdepolo Great meeting @t @kevinmarks @Johannes_Ernst @JakeHartnell @WlshGngstr @benwerd at #indieWeb Homebrew @mozilla. @GoDaddy can host 8/10! (twitter.com/_/status/758777853416726530)
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tantek Woohoo!!!
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Loqi woot
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tantek sdepolo++
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leg IkiWiki blogs with Microformats 2: http://at.magma-soft.at/sw/blog/posts/Microformats_for_IkiWiki/, added also to: https://indieweb.org/ikiwiki
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Loqi Microformats for IkiWiki
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@ChrisAldrich My reply to @scalzi on How Blogs Work Today http://boffosocko.com/2016/07/28/how-blogs-work-today/ #indieweb https://twitter.com/ChrisAldrich/status/758809945538080768/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/758809945538080768)