#indieweb 2016-07-28

2016-07-28 UTC
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CherryPuffs
Pinterest <3
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KevinMarks
The tags act as collections of sorts, but maybe that is different
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KevinMarks
Flickr certainly had both
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aaronpk
yes, collections have a chosen ordering. tags usually show the items in reverse chronological.
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KevinMarks
"I'm not dead yet" says flickr on the cart
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KevinMarks
Is a link round-up or "tab round-up" a collection post?
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aaronpk
possibly. examples?
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KevinMarks
Posts one a day
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aaronpk
interesting
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KevinMarks
In a sense the very old school blog model where you added short link+comment entries to a daily post fit the pattern
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tantek
I think that's how I started my blog
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tantek
before I had figured out what original content I wanted to write / say
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tantek
oh dear Yahoo Groups deleted old groups?!?
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KevinMarks
Right. Standalone pages per post came later
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KevinMarks
Moveable type maybe
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tantek
KevinMarks: no not the format, the content
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tantek
in terms of one post with four links in it and comments about them
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tantek
per the example you cited
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tantek
that's the interesting aspect
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tantek
not the "fragment on a page vs. its own permalink page URL" plumbing ness
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aaronpk
interesting
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KevinMarks
Blogger and radio both had a permalink for the day and name/I'd links for each entry originally
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aaronpk
does that mean those paper.li posts are also collections? lol
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KevinMarks
Right, but I think the change did affect writing style
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aaronpk
eh, permalink vs fragment on a page are about the same for those. they are both individual posts, as in the old posts are not updated, and instead new posts are added.
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aaronpk
like tantek said the interesting part is the format of the individual posts
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@ChrisAldrich
#indieweb @ChrisAldrich: Quiet writing hours for the first Homebrew Website Club in Pasadena, CA are in full swing. 4 people already here.
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tantek
we're currently lolling about this in HWC SF: https://twitter.com/bradfitz/status/566072337020112896
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@bradfitz
Do NOT buy a @Nest Protect smoke alarm. They false alarm and are unhushable pieces of crap. Spread the word. Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpsMkLaEiOY
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aaronpk
i have a nest, it's fine
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@eastdakota
@ndsimpson4 @bradfitz @nest @octal dirty power common on PG&E SF causes small blips in light emitter. Nest interprets as smoke.
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tantek
aaronpk: nest smoke alarm?
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tantek
supposedly the v2 fixed the problem brad was having (updating in the description on the youtube)
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aaronpk
when you test them, the voice is hilarious. so polite and calm.
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aaronpk
and it warns you like 5 times that it's about to make a loud noise and not to panic.
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tantek
we're thinking it sounds like either the evil computer from Portal or "Alice" from Resident Evil (of the Umbrella Corporation)
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aaronpk
wonders who did the voice acting for it
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tantek
I don't understand how to submit *someone else's page* to Indienews https://news.indieweb.org/how-to-submit-a-post
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aaronpk
Does this need more clarification?
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aaronpk
"To submit someone else's post, you can post a bookmark on your site and submit that URL to IndieNews! Post an h-entry as normal, then include a u-bookmark-of property linking to the actual URL you want to submit."
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tantek
ohh bookmark!
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tantek
I can't read :(
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aaronpk
Probably an example there would help too
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tantek
oh boy I might have to post my first bookmark
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tantek
hey it's HWC day, time to do something novel!
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tantek
here goes nothing
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@t
Appreciating @megnut’s post on #SF invasion vs #webpeople+#personalsites. #indieweb from 2000: http://megnut.com/2000/04/ive-been-thinking-a-lot/ (ttk.me t4iV2)
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tantek
oh dear: "No hub at pubsubhubbub.superfeedr.com"
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tantek
something happened
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tantek
checks post type discovery to see what it says about bookmarks
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tantek
ah, under consideration
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tantek
oh look time to start!
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kevinmarks: It's homebrew website club time, get ready
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KevinMarks
I know someone who did some voice acting for them
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: welcome to Homebrew Website Club at Mozilla - you can always check when it is at https://indieweb.org/next-hwc
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: Nuremberg has a Homebrew Website club on the alternate weeks from us
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: August 27-28 we have an Indiewebcamp New York City - the 2nd this year. Hopefully there won't be a blizzard this time.
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: London and Brighton both had Homebrew Website Clubs earlier today - Göteborg is on summer break
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: I added a minor thing on my website - I did my first bookmark post http://tantek.com/2016/209/t2/sf-webpeople-personalsites-indieweb with book mark emoji
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aaronpk
tantek: did you see what the response from the webmention was? it will tell you what is wrong
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: because I linked to Indienews https://news.indieweb.org/en - the post shows up on Indienews, the indie hacker news
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aaronpk
oh it worked, it's onthe site but the IRC notificiation just didn't make it through
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: it shows up because I sent a webmention to indienews - webmention is general and different sites can interpret the meaning
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: indienews is decentralized hacker news
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: I have been making my own linux distro UBOS meant to make sysadmin easier for you
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: so for example it take s a single commmand to install @withknown - and a single command to update the whole thing
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: I now have mattermost which is an open source slack implementation you can install
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: we also have wordpress with the indieweb plugins and mediawiki
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: we also have one-click offsite encrypted back up - it will zip up the whole server and put it on amazon s3
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: so you can run one command on raspberry pi and one on amazon and move your entire server.
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: it can now set up a website and get an ssl cert in one go
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: there is an Amazon ec2 image and a virtualbox image if you want to try it
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kevinmarks: explaining how to livetweet myself, hoping someone will do it for me
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tantek
Kevinmarks is live tweeting from the podium at HWC SF
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tantek
KevinMarks: a small change I made on my website this week kevinmarks.com is to give it a more responsive layout
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tantek
KevinMarks: I pulled out the h-card and webmention responses to my post, and put them on the side, then I found that the webmention responses were oldest first
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tantek
KevinMarks: this is a static webpage (shows Decentarlized Web Summit 2016-06-07 notes) with webmentions showing on the side
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tantek
KevinMarks: I also helped my friend Christopher Allen (alifewithalacrity.com) - he asked me to help convert it it indieweb
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tantek
KevinMarks: I did a couple of things, first of all I mirrored the entire site
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tantek
KevinMarks: I downloaded his site using @aaronpk's SpiderPig
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GWG
Evening
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tantek
KevinMarks: I've got his site archived statically, but then I did an export from Movable Type, ran it through a script I wrote to convert those for markup for a static site generator called Hugo
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tantek
KevinMarks: I now have all his posts with cleaner layout, responsive, and with microformats
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tantek
KevinMarks: I went with Hugo because it seemed like a good fit for Christopher, because it's something you run on the command line, and check files into github, which are things he's comfortable with
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tantek
KevinMarks: It's reasonably mature, has templates, kind of programmery, the nice thing about it being in Go, it's just a binary you install, and then create some files and run a command
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tantek
KevinMarks: I've got a big data-chain of tools here, and I'm going to publish those on my site
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tantek
KevinMarks: One more thing I'm working on. This week Twitter opened up Verification to everyone.
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tantek
KevinMarks: What if we could distribute verification? We already have rel=me
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tantek
KevinMarks: I wrote a thing to look for rel=me links, put a ? on them, and then changes it to a tick or a cross if it verifies them or not
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tantek
KevinMarks: that's my hack of the fortnight
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @JakeHartnell: I'm really intersted in giving people more control over IoT
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @JakeHartnell: http://commongarden.org is about giving people more control over agriculture
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @JakeHartnell: set up your own IoT server that lets you set up control over watering, lighting and pH for growing
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @JakeHartnell: we started a project called GrowIoT -so you have control
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @JakeHartnell: there is a bunch of bullshit out there that makes you go through their servers every time, we want you to control
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @JakeHartnell: there is a Tessel 2 board designed to make this easier
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @JakeHartnell: GrowIoT is a meteor app at the moment, based on w3c's Web of things framework, using JSON representations
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @JakeHartnell: the idea is to have a general UI and see data streaming in and put data into a database you own
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: I want to have it on ubox - how do I get it?
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: There was a thing today where a cat feeder company server went down, so cats aren't getting fed
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@sdepolo
.@JakeHartnell showing how http://commongarden.org grow-IoT project. Let's you build #IoT in databases you own. #indieweb
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @JakeHartnell: we're working with companies who are growing things like algae - they want their own data sets
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @JakeHartnell: I'm growing a redwood tree in hydroponics - when they start out they are really tiny
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @JakeHartnell: actually, a tree is a really good investment - if you start from seeds trees double in price every 2 years
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @JakeHartnell: it's not as simple as just turning things on and off - hysteresis is a big thing here
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @benwerd: the way you pass courses is by posting on a social network
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @withknown: http://teach.kqed.org/ is a community space powered by Known, and there are more coming
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @withknown: the way you pass courses is by posting on a social network, and comments are all indieweb
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @withknown: Known is good for groups of people who either need to publish publicly or privately
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @withknown: there is a lot of value in building communities, and it's not in opposition t people having their own sites
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @withknown: also Known is hiring a PHP developer - so if you want to build communities on known contact us
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: I have stickers fresh from portland - come get them
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tantek
reminder Portland and LA - take a upload photos!
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tantek
aaronpk:
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tantek
ChrisAldrich:
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@kevinmarks
Notes from tonight's Homebrew Website Club SF on my site at http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2016-07-27.html #indieweb
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aaronpk
oh wow google photos does the same full-justified layout that flickr does
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@kevinmarks
“he met a web designer at a party the other night, he says,‘oh, do you have a personal site?’ Her: ‘no.’” http://megnut.com/2000/04/ive-been-thinking-a-lot/ #indieweb
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cweiske
(that was 2000)
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Ruxton
from 2000, but still so damn fitting 16 years on
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pfefferle
good morning
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petermolnar
morning pfefferle
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Loqi
good morning
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cmal
good morning everyone :)
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Loqi
morning!
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petermolnar
happy Loqi is happy
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@acegiak
Apparently my bind9 configuration died along with parts of my wp db in this hdd crash. So much restoration to do. #indieweb fail.
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cweiske
that's more a backup fail
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petermolnar
hdds fail
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petermolnar
that is expected from them
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voxpelli
loves to not have to maintain his servers himself because of that
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petermolnar
voxpelli you're not indie enough :P :) ( on the other hand, "never go full indie" )
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voxpelli
petermolnar: the true indie I guess: http://www.homebrewcpu.com/ ;)
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voxpelli
http://www.magic-1.org/ – This web page is being served by a completely home-built computer: Bill Buzbee's Magic-1 HomebrewCPU. Magic-1 doesn't use an off-the-shelf CPU. Instead, its custom CPU is built out of ~200 74 series TTL chips.
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petermolnar
that is definitely "you went full indie. Never go full indie"
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cweiske
"887 hits since last reboot"
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cmal
or, let's all go full-indie together :D
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cweiske
that'd also mean making your own internet connection, own current etc
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cmal
cweiske: well, sure, that's precisely what we need to do
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cmal
that's precisely what Guifi and the FDN Federation do (respectively in Spain and France, mostly)
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cmal
home-grown autonomous ISPs with many cases of using solar power and wifi routers to connect whole villages that didn't have Internet access at all
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cmal
I'm curious regarding rel=me links, is there a way to mark certain rel=me links as links that should not be parsed for authentication? for example if I want to disable authentication through Twitter and only keep Github, for instance? should I just remove the rel=me part? but then I'd lose the semantic information that these links correspond to the same person?
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petermolnar
cmal there is a problem with going full indie: what things are allowed to be bought pre-done? Are transistors ok or do I need raw silicium to carve my own transistors?
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petermolnar
I guess I went too offtopic
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cmal
not really, that's a fair point, given the eco-toxicity of our components and the fact they're produced by children in Asia, and made out of ore extracted by children in Africa is a very legitimate concern
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cmal
the problem is this specific issue regarding IT is actually just a facet of the much larger issue of our individual and collective relationships to production and ownership
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cmal
self-management for control of industrial processes, and the abolition of property for sharing with the masses is the only way to tackle planned obsolescence and exploitation
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cmal
because then only we'll stop thinking about how to make computers for profit, and start thinking how to cooperatively make computers out of cheap, local and recyclable materials
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cmal
but hey, I guess that's the same problem with food production (Monsanto vs organic cooperatives), with
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cmal
etc.
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petermolnar
you need to eliminate the urge to own
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petermolnar
and that is extremely hard
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cmal
it's neither hard nor easy, it's a cultural perspective
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cmal
the relationship to ownership changes in every culture
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cmal
there's even whole cultures without concepts of ownership
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cmal
hola
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Kongaloosh
quick question: besides what's listed under collections, does anyone have a good example of photo albums?
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Kongaloosh
I'm re-thinking how I'm going to present collections of images
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rMdes_
Kongaloosh, I tried to create a collection of images using this indieweb tool, but did'nt worked at all with my Known : http://photopostr.tpxl.io/
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Loqi
rmdes has 8 karma (3 in this channel)
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Kongaloosh
never seen that before, thanks
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Kongaloosh
huh, looks like I can't authenticate
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Kongaloosh
I'm thinking specifically about formatting, I guess.
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rMdes_
Kongaloosh, u should have a working micropub/indieauth for it to log-in
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rMdes_
the reason why I can't create post from it, while I can from Quill is unknoown to me
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rMdes_
this is interesting too : https://github.com/Decentralized-Sharing-Working-Group/micropub_client seems like Cozy has some micropub support & ability to post notes/photos
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Kongaloosh
I can sign into quill and micropub is functional for me
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Kongaloosh
like, right now I'm using OYG
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rMdes_
Quill works for me too
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rMdes_
but no way to use photo-postr, maybe Im missing something
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cweiske
is there any micropub client with formatting support (bold, italic, source code...)?
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cweiske
https://www.w3.org/TR/micropub/#new-article defines content[html] for that. question is if someone support that
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Loqi
[Aaron Parecki] Micropub
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sknebel
cmal re your rel=me question: no, there isn't, I asked the same thing a few months back ;)
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cmal
sknebel: thanks!
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cmal
do you know if anyone more is interested in this question? should I just start discussion on the wiki?
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sknebel
cmal: don't remember any particular interest. If you start something on the wiki I'll add the link to the discussion if I find it again
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cmal
great, thanks :)
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aaronpk
continues research on photo albums
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aaronpk
anyone else publishing photo albums on their site yet?
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cweiske
I have collections of screenshots in normal posts
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cweiske
no "standalone" albums
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aaronpk
that's interesting, so just like a bunch of photos in a post?
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aaronpk
with narrative text around them i assume?
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Loqi
[Christian Weiske] Lyrics in ogg/vorbis and mp3 files
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Loqi
[Christian Weiske] Playing Tomb Raider 1 on OUYA
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aaronpk
makes sense
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cweiske
the images are additions to the text
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cweiske
text is fine without the images
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aaronpk
and those images don't have their own posts? (they only exist within that post with the text?)
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cweiske
in my eyes they are only meaningful in context of the post
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aaronpk
welcome back bear!
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bear
thanks
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bear
you don't realize how attached you are to the Internet until you are without it for a week
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@tvnweb
A few of us are getting together in Brighton next Saturday to work on our personal websites. Join! https://indieweb.org/events/2016-08-06-homebrew-website-club-sprint #indieweb
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cweiske
aaronpk, are you aware of micropub clients or receivers which support content[html]?
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aaronpk
Quill uses it for the HTML editor, and my endpoint accepts it
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@fatih
Question: "We should add this new feature" Others: "Not sure it's worth" #Golang: Thug life 😎 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoY3loJXgAEtunq.jpg
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snarfed
it's exactly the kind of thing i was envisioning when i wrote up https://snarfed.org/indie-stats
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Loqi
[Ryan Barrett] Indie stats
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snarfed
(props to bear etc)
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rMdes_
aaronpk, interested in photo albums too, but really no clue on where to start beside this starting point : http://photopostr.tpxl.io/
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aaronpk
rMdes_: that's an interesting approach
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aaronpk
that's sorta similar to my first draft implementation of it
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voxpelli
cweiske: my endpoints accept it as well (and by default converts it to Markdown, because I'm crazy)
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cweiske
that might prevent some XSS :)
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cweiske
unless your html2md converter creates html sections for markup-not-expressible-in-markdown
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voxpelli
I intend my endpoint to be fully XSS vulnerable :)
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aaronpk
yeah same, since i'm the only one that's posting content to it
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aaronpk
and only using clients i trust
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voxpelli
only truested parties should have access to it and they should be allowed to be as crazy as they wish
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aaronpk
I sanitize the heck out of HTML I get in comments tho
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voxpelli
webmentions on the other hand – there I do plain text only
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voxpelli
aaronpk: whitelist based approach?
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aaronpk
yeah, a set of basic html tags for formatting, and then I also remove all attributes except microformats2 classes
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voxpelli
has to start preserving some html amongst his comments as well – like bold, italic and links
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voxpelli
aaronpk: do you insert something like nofollow?
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aaronpk
(my site uses xray to do the parsing/sanitization)
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voxpelli
aaronpk: nice that you preserve code and pre :)
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aaronpk
nice example of preserving the p-category class in your html :)
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cweiske
it doesn't cope with CDATA blocks
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aaronpk
"cope with"?
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cweiske
strips content inside cdata blocks
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cweiske
when I give XML/HTML example code, I simply wrap it in CDATA sections
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aaronpk
is cdata part of html or is that xhtml?
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aaronpk
pretty sure i'm parsing everything as html only
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voxpelli
seems to only be supported in foreign elements: https://developers.whatwg.org/syntax.html#syntax-cdata
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cweiske
voxpelli, i'm delivering my pages as content-type: application/xhtml+xml
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cweiske
so browers display the cdata sections fine
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voxpelli
cweiske: thinking about how an html5 parser is expected to handle it
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voxpelli
not sure that link was the right one though – somewhere in the html5 docs there's probably a description of what's the right way to deal with it
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cweiske
the whole "<?xml version..." and "<!DOCTYPE" code is missing
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Loqi
[Christian Weiske] Entities in modular XHTML
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voxpelli
It might be more correct for the parsers to reject any html that wants to be parsed as xml
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voxpelli
As very few likely support parsing them as xml
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cweiske
I tell them via the content type that is shall be parsed as xml
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voxpelli
cweiske: yes, and if they don't have an xml-based path in their parser then they can't interpret your document correctly
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voxpelli
and the correct way to parse xml is to fail whenever one can't support it fully
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aaronpk
has no intention of parsing xhtml/xml
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voxpelli
or rather to fail whenever the xml document has an error, but one can't really know if one can't parse it as xml
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Loqi
I wake up
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Loqi
Countdown set by wagle on 2016-06-28 at 5:47pm UTC
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cweiske
loqi can be used as chat cron
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wagle
i have no idea, sorry
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cweiske
Loqi, remind me to do this in 5 minutes
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cweiske
no idea what the command was
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voxpelli
aaronpk: the sticky menu work a bit bad with the hashes :/
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aaronpk
yeah, i'm gonna change it to a sidebar
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cweiske
and on my phone I don't see prev/next links
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voxpelli
maybe have a javascript that scrolls so that the actual hash-target is below the menu?
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voxpelli
that's another solution :)
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aaronpk
sidebar should solve both those issues
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aaronpk
that's also how my IRC client and Slack work, so probably a good pattern to follow
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cweiske
a real solution is to disable scrolling on html/body
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cweiske
and enable overflow scrolling on the content
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cweiske
then the browser handles anchors correctly
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voxpelli
wonders if there eventually will be a non-js solution to hashes + sticky headers
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aaronpk
ah yeah i'll probably do that too
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cweiske
voxpelli, :)
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cweiske
ther eis
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wagle
OOOooo
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voxpelli
I was thinking some kind of offset based one
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wagle
it was fixed long ago
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aaronpk
cweiske: http://rubular.com/r/LZGkZsen5I :-) I'll add that soon
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voxpelli
cweiske: sure, was referring to one with position: sticky that actually scrolls the window itself rather than a box within the window
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cweiske
there is none
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voxpelli
I know :)
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cweiske
I spent 2 days exploring this a year ago
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cweiske
then we used my solution
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voxpelli
but now we have smooth-scroll so who knows, may still happen
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gRegorLove
Haha, that Loqi "I wake up" was funny. I read it like Loqi was arising to give us the countdown reminder.
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Loqi
rofl
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aaronpk
rMdes_: i just noticed your twitter avatar is a desaturated version of the one on your website, that's neat
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rMdes_
yeah i was trying to find a tweak to avoid having same picture twice via twitter
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aaronpk
good idea
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rMdes_
ended up using the desatured version on both side
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rMdes_
unless i'm having cache problems again :)
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aaronpk
ah the twitter preview still shows the full color one
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rMdes_
i'm waiting a good opportuniy to have a more current picture & then do so
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rMdes_
i have been bothered by this situation : http://prntscr.com/byqgak
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aaronpk
that's one of the reasons i stopped including a link to my post in my tweets
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rMdes_
i think i will force my twitter card picture to be some other
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rMdes_
so i can keep my profile pic on my site & on twitter, but the default img would be a static image that I can control
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rMdes_
then if image on the post it should show the image, that's what i'm trying to sketch
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aaronpk
makes sense
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rMdes_
wondering if i could override og:image tag
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Kongaloosh
Jammy_Stuff: do you have webmentions yet?
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Jammy_Stuff
I do not :(
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[kevinmarks]
The way that works for notes on known is annoying
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Kongaloosh
Jammy_Stuff: you should do that
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Kongaloosh
so you can comment on my polar bears
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Jammy_Stuff
maybe someday
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[shaunguice]
kevinmarks what do you mean?
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[shaunguice]
got <screenshot> or <link>
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[kevinmarks]
What rmdes was saying - the twitter card shows the same thing 3 times, but incomplete and with the author photo
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rMdes_
thinkering how to solve this & no way to dinamically rewrite og:image from what I see
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rMdes_
could be changed if Known allowed to configure og: properties & untie it from author image
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tantek
rMdes what's your use case for og:image or any og: properties?
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rMdes_
og:image when what I share goes either to facebook, twitter (not sure if twitter cards use them) but it definitely "read" display the image from post well
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rMdes_
i want it display the target url i'm sending people to or if any my won site-wide og:image
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rMdes_
ideally to me the p author image should be distinct of the og:image site wide property
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tantek
rMdes_: if you have a wide enough image already on the page, FB will pick it up automatically when your "share goes to facebook"
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tantek
pretty sure we documented this somewhere
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rMdes_
yes this is already the case
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rMdes_
for bookmarks, posts
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rMdes_
but not for text status update in known
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rMdes_
when you send those, the og properties read by either twitter or facebook is my author image
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tantek
Twitter doesn't do any image reading "automatically"
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rMdes_
or for exemple this "post" had no image, so defautl to author image https://twitter.com/RikMende/status/757884197964918784
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@RikMende
Notifications Slavery versus Attention Ecology #android #privacy #attention #notifications: https://www.rmendes.net/2016/notifications-slavery-versus-attention-ecology
(twitter.com/_/status/757884197964918784)
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tantek
if your author image is wide (high resolution) enough then yes it may be picked up by FB
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rMdes_
it does read auto if you validate your site here https://cards-dev.twitter.com/validator
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tantek
huh - that's news
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tantek
it's reading that from your twitter:image
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rMdes_
once you valide the domain once, and if your site support it, then it start doing cards preview of your links
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tantek
my point is if you omit all the og: and Twitter: - Twitter won't read anything automatically
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tantek
OMS and then there is all the meta name="DC.*** stuff
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tantek
so much metabloat
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tantek
point being, vast majority of that is unnecessary
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tantek
all the DC. stuff in particular is odd - is that in Known by default?
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tantek
nothing useful AFAIK consumes any of it, that doesn't get the *visible* info instead
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tantek
e.g. DC.title - use just <title>
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tantek
DC.description - no need, when Google says to use meta name=description
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rMdes_
this is all default in known
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tantek
Greenify sounds amazing
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rMdes_
it is :)
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rMdes_
if rooted completely amazing
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rMdes_
it has a accesibility service loaded that will hinernate your apps the moment you lock your phone (beside those that you can always whitelist)
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tantek
that's the bit that's super cool
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tantek
I have a variety of posts about how I reduce notifications: https://www.google.com/#q=site%3Atantek.com+notifications perhaps I should collect my latest practices into a blog post like you did
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rMdes_
you can really break your phone if you grennify some systems apps, but still if rooted you can greenify plenty of "system apps" knowing what you're doing that are just bloating the device all the time for no reason
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tantek
p.s. that Twitter validator sent me back a JSON download when I tried my domain :P
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tantek
indeed
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rMdes_
CM 13 also allow to tweak by app a bunch of things like auto-wake, auto-start, start at boot, turn this 3 things off and it's amazing how you invert the system
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rMdes_
no more notifications, you actually have to open the app when you want
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rMdes_
you can also hide notification by app, all this is really easy to setup & native, no third party app, just core
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rMdes_
just a shame i cant export my config state of one device & load it into another devide with the same rom
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gRegorLove
What is Greenify?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Greenify" yet. Would you like to create it?
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gRegorLove
rMdes_: I wonder if you cook hook into Known's OGP stuff with a plugin.
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rMdes_
but to what i understood this plugin allow to embed a external links better, the main difference is when using Known bookmarks
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rMdes_
without the plugin installed, a bookmark on known would only display the link
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gRegorLove
"cook hook"? Hahah. Fingers aren't connected to my brain today.
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Loqi
hahahaha
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rMdes_
hmm thanks i was looking for this
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rMdes_
i should have searched on github :)
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Loqi
totally
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rMdes_
yes I'm reading the docs a lot more lately, i really want to get around how theme works
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rMdes_
what is Greenify ?
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Loqi
[Rick Mendes] og:image fix for Known (in progress)
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ChrisAldrich
I'd welcome anyone here to add to the comment thread at https://github.com/Automattic/jetpack/issues/4470 to encourage WordPress/Jetpack/Automattic to help support the microformats2 version of h-recipe #OneMicroformatAtATime
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tantek
Woohoo!!!
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Loqi
woot
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tantek
sdepolo++
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Loqi
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Loqi
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