#indieweb 2016-07-29

2016-07-29 UTC
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KevinMarks1 events for next SF Homebrew Website club posted http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/homebrew-website-club-sf-2016-08-10 https://www.facebook.com/events/1137851869594566/
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Loqi Homebrew Website Club SF 2016-08-10
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@IndieWebCampDE Für alle Ferienmuffel: Nächster Homebrew Website Club in Nürnberg am 17.8.2016! https://indieweb.org/events/2016-08-17-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/758822459575377922)
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@jkphl Next Homebrew Website Club after my return to Nuremberg: August 17th. You should swing in too! :) https://indieweb.org/events/2016-08-17-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/758823076318416896)
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jkphl good morning from japan! :)
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tantek good day jkphl !!
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GWG Evening.
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gRegorLove Hi GWG
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GWG Howdy, gRegorLove. Any news from you?
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gRegorLove Not much. Made some progress on the ProcessWire Webmention plugin. Submitted an implementation report for the w3c webmention repo
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GWG Good
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aaronpk sneak peek of new chat logs: https://aaronparecki.com/media/file-20160729015809-53029.png
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jkphl aaronpk nice!
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gRegorLove Oooh
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gRegorLove Current date displayed over the Prev / Next maybe?
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gRegorLove current date of log page, I mean
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gRegorLove I posted about our HWC on reddit in r/Bellingham. Will be interesting to see if it brings in anyone.
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gRegorLove First time posting on reddit despite having an account for years, haha
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Loqi rofl
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aaronpk Can't wait to do the logged in thing with the logs too
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aaronpk So once you log in with IndieAuth it'll know what nick you are for the web chat
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KartikPrabhu how will that work with nick conflicts?
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KartikPrabhu if I log on from a IRC client and web client at the same time?
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gRegorLove It probably won't work with registered nicks either (with nick protection on)
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2016-07-29.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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aaronpk Yeah I'll add fallback rules like all IRC clients have when the nick is taken
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mblaney hi indiewebbers
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Loqi mblaney: [shaners] left you a message 2 days, 9 hours ago: Thanks. That is the goal for the IW one. It’s just a matter of finding the time to do it.
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mblaney I've just finished working on SWAT0 and made a little video to demonstrate.
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mblaney it's at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trWxOG-lJTU
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mblaney let me know what you think.
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aaronpk mblaney++ that's awesome!
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Loqi mblaney has 14 karma (13 in this channel)
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aaronpk now we gotta find some more people for you to test that with! that's awesome that you can play all three roles now!
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mblaney thanks aaronpk :-) yup, just talkin to myself...
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[kevinmarks] Don't forget acegiak, she has all 3 roles too
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GWG [kevinmarks]: Regrettably, implementation isn't standardized in the WordPress community. If we got it stable, it could go to anyone using a WordPress site.
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mblaney kevinmarks: yes I remember her saying that, go the Aussies then ;-)
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@malcolmblaney dobrado SWAT0 #indieweb: https://unicyclic.com/mal/2016-07-29-dobrado_SWAT0_indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/758886104309256192)
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GWG acegiak has been rather busy of late, alas.
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mblaney kevinmarks ^^ shout out to acegiak added.
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tantek looks like Swarm supports multi-photos on checkins now
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@t Grateful for intentionally positive communities @xoxo @yxyy @indiewebcamp commonalities: make stuff, hangout in person (ttk.me t4iW1) (twitter.com/_/status/758907142493446144)
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[shaners] .
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cweiske :
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KartikPrabhu breaking up the silence
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[kevinmarks] â‹®
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cweiske ⡇
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rMdes_ the other day I loged into Quill with https://www.rmendes.net - the next day I was lazy to type all this, so I typed https://rmendes.net to log in, this is when Quill told me that I had already a profile with www. - there was no way but to log off and login back with https://www. - I was wondering if there would be a way to tie both domains, for the sake of simplification, or is that a non-issue ?
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cweiske not-www redirects to www, so quill could do the same
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@RikMende I have been using https://woodwind.xyz/ to follow #indieweb sites either "hand-crafted" static sites or… https://www.rmendes.net/2016/i-have-been-using-to-follow-indieweb-sites-either-hand-crafted (twitter.com/_/status/758950229274087424)
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rMdes_ cweiske, that would solve the issue indeed
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rMdes_ strange part is my domain is supposed to redirect non-www to www, but it seems Quill can't do it
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rMdes just noticed the #Known channel on https://chat.indieweb.org/ is incorrect, it should be #Knownchat
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rMdes unless it's actually the name of the tab ?
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rMdes it's OK it actually #KnownChat but the name of the tab is #Known
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[kevinmarks] Site death: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/29/melania-trump-website-take-down-donald-reputation
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@SK_Holder https://ecommerceflight.ecwid.com/#!/Make-Money-With-Kindle/p/68827709/category=20296753 #selfpub #writer #indieweb https://twitter.com/SK_Holder/status/758998815454089216/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/758998815454089216)
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j4y_funabashi Hey does anyone know how I can markup different versions of a photo? Eg fullsize vs resized?
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j4y_funabashi I resize all my photos and display the resized version but I would like to link to the original
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j4y_funabashi My use case is that I would like to print a bunch of photos
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cweiske I use <a href="orig.jpg"><img src="small.jpg"/></a>
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j4y_funabashi cweiske: I don't really want to link to the original from the thumbnail as the originals are >4mb
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j4y_funabashi I want something similar to Facebook 'view original' link
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j4y_funabashi And a way to mark this up so I can tell them apart
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voxpelli j4y_funabashi: mark up as in microformats 2 markup?
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j4y_funabashi Yeah
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j4y_funabashi So I can have multiple photos in a photo post and a way to tell which is a thumbnail and which is original
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j4y_funabashi So I can render them differently
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voxpelli j4y_funabashi: just put the "u-photo" on the "view original" and not on the other?
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j4y_funabashi Wouldn't that mean readers render the >4mb one?
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voxpelli j4y_funabashi: well, readers should like eg. Facebook does resize and render the images themselves in the format that's suitable for them
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voxpelli if you give them the small one then it will be impossible for them to render at a larger format than your thumbnail
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j4y_funabashi Multiple u-photo seems like the right way to go but would need a way to indicate that 2 photos are versions of the same image
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voxpelli when I worked at Bloglovin I was always annoyed when we were given small thumbnails in the RSS as it made it much harder for us to present a good image
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voxpelli j4y_funabashi: multiple sounds wrong to me
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j4y_funabashi Ah yeah that's true
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voxpelli j4y_funabashi: if you want to do it "right", then you could do a <picture> or img srcset and put u-photo on that, but I think few/none parsers yet support picture/srcset
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voxpelli my workaround at Bloglovin was to start download the images people gave to Facebook instead as those were more often high res
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j4y_funabashi Yeah picture is definitely where I want to go
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voxpelli u-photo on img srcset should work already
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voxpelli it would just fallback to the img src while browsers would pick the most suitable size
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voxpelli and parsers could start parsing srcset if they wanted size alternatives
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j4y_funabashi OK that sounds interesting, will have a read of the picture spec, thanks voxpelli
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KevinMarks1 Reply All is all about Site deaths this week https://gimletmedia.com/episode/71-the-picture-taker/
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@kevinmarks the latest episode is about site deaths https://indieweb.org/site-deaths - one answer is to join multiple cloud services https://twitter.com/replyall/status/758511999261237248 (twitter.com/_/status/759048306714484736)
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KevinMarks1 hm, I wonder if Loqi could suppress duplicate joins like these http://indieweb.org/irc/2016-07-29/line/1469800451596
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miklb yeah, that's a bit obnoxious
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aaronpk wow
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aaronpk yeah i should clean that up on the logs
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aaronpk it's still spamming the crap out of my irc client
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bear that is the first thing I turn off in my IRC clients: join/part notifications
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tantek aaronpk: banned Tristitia from the channel until they sort that out
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aaronpk cool. they're also in #pdxtech so I asked in there what's up
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aaronpk funny enough, not doing the rapid join/part in that channel
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tantek I wonder if it is due to the redirect?
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tantek and a bug in their client?
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aaronpk oh hey, i'm verified on twitter now
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aaronpk I didn't even notice the email
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aaronpk https://aaronparecki.com/media/file-20160729173356-90382.png
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aaronpk benwerd is too! https://twitter.com/benwerd
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tantek wat
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tantek what is verified?
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Loqi verified refers to a content or profile that is verified to belong to a certain identity https://indieweb.org/verified
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tantek ^^^ add to IndieWeb Examples :P
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miklb first examples of verified from new system. everyone else I've seen on Twitter who applied got turned down. Was starting to think it was just a publicity stunt
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tantek Missed this a couple of weeks ago: silos gonna silo: FB c&d'd and blocked Power "app" from enabling contacts portability and federating of messages from their users *with user permission* to FB users: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/07/12/9th-circuit-its-a-federal-crime-to-visit-a-website-after-being-told-not-to-visit-it/ and FB sued under CFAA.
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tantek Facebook--
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Loqi facebook has -16 karma (-15 in this channel)
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tantek portable contacts, provoking silos into siloing since ... forever?
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tantek via benwerd/benatwork
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tantek or I should say, @benwerd ✅
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singpolyma CFAA is terrifying
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tantek it's what did aaronsw in :(
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tantek https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Atantek.com+CFAA
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tantek CFAA--
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Loqi cfaa has -1 karma
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singpolyma sometimes I think things aren't necessarily much better here than in USA, but then I read another CFAA case
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tantek where is here?
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singpolyma (I mean for me of course, with all my privilege. we definitely have less police shootings, etc, but that's a different problem)
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singpolyma tantek: Canada
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miklb voxpelli have you tested that webmention microservice yet?
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miklb webmention-hook
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miklb s/webmention-hook/webhook-mentions/
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gRegorLove Posting about Bellingham HWC caught someone's interest!
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gRegorLove s/HWC/HWC on reddit/
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aaronpk nice
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tantek neat!
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rMdes how do you get verified ?
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KartikPrabhu what is verified?
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Loqi verified refers to a content or profile that is verified to belong to a certain identity https://indieweb.org/verified
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KartikPrabhu rMdes: see that page ^
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rMdes thanks ^^
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[kevinmarks] That cfaa thing is worrying
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[kevinmarks] I need to finish my indie verification thing
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 2pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2016-07-29.html
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 2pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2016-07-29.html
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tantek uh oh IndieWebCamp NYC2 is not linked in https://indieweb.org/this-week/2016-07-29.html
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tantek in Upcoming Events
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tantek aaronpk: help!
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aaronpk does it have a u-url on the /events page?
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tantek checking
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tantek ok no, neither does Brighton
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tantek fixing
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aaronpk added to the newsletter manually to make it in before the cutoff
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tantek saved
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tantek for all 3 upcoming IWCs
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tantek that should have made it
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aaronpk had to add it manually cause loqi won't regenerate it again and mailchimp polls the feed at 2pm
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tantek Loqi did you generate the final version yet?
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aaronpk yep 10 minutes ago
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aaronpk ack just missed it! mailchimp just sent it out
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tantek oh ok, and then that last 10 min is for manual fixups only? there's no regeneration at 14:00?
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aaronpk yeah i don't know when mailchimp actually fetches it, cause it's set to send it out at 14:00
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aaronpk apparently they fetch it more than 1 minute before tho :(
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tantek huh, maybe so they can claim to actually send it out at 14:00:00 on the dot?
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aaronpk yeah, it arrived smack at 2pm
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aaronpk well, made it to my gmail at "14:00:50"
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indieweb.org/this-week/2016-07-29.html https://twitter.com/indiewebcamp/status/759135167105478656/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/759135167105478656)
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tantek And Brighton gets the Twitter photo this week!
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tantek aaronpk: is that POSSEd using Bridgy, or silo.pub, or ... ?
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aaronpk silo.pub i think
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tantek and if it's using silo.pub, could it send up to the first 4 photos? (since silo.pub supports multi-photo posts to Twitter)
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aaronpk oh!
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tantek :D
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aaronpk good idea
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ChrisAldrich I just blew my lunch hour setting up web based push notifications for my site using https://pushpad.xyz/. They've got some interesting and easy to use web plumbing.
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ChrisAldrich Now, to document some of it...
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aaronpk ooh neat
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aaronpk looks forward to reading that
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chrisaldrich1 They've got an express service that takes just a few minutes and uses their site for verification. They've also got a Pro version (all free I think) that allows https use as well as the ability to white-list notifications.
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chrisaldrich1 it also allows the ability to send custom messages that aren't just based on site updates
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[chrisaldrich] The service is free while in beta and allows 10,000 notifications/mo for free forever.
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tantek chrisaldrich, nice turnout for HWC LA / Pasadena!
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@aronski The latest The essential-minds Daily! https://t.co/Ub1p0eeq04 Thanks to @Karoli @thematthewshow #indieweb #hughcards (twitter.com/_/status/758830141426376708)
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aaronpk and so it begins http://twitter.com/igrigorik/status/759141929732878337
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@igrigorik (finally) deleted my Flickr account, cya Verizon! ... if you were following me on Flickr, you can find me @ https://t.co/6WDHl5ScV5. (twitter.com/_/status/759141929732878337)
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tantek whoa
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tantek add to /silo-quits !
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snarfed /silo-lateral-moves
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aaronpk hehe
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tantek silateral?
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tantek siloteral
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aaronpk i like "silo-hop"
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bear silo-hop I'm liking
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tantek hey two active people here agreeing - that's good enough to start with :)
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tantek what is a silo-hop?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "silo-hop" yet. Would you like to create it?
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aaronpk what is flickstagram?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "flickstagram" yet. Would you like to create it?
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aaronpk Flickstagram was a service that allowed you to [[silo-hop]] from Instagram to Flickr
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aaronpk Flickstagram is a service that allowed you to [[silo-hop]] from Instagram to Flickr
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aaronpk huh
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aaronpk silo-hop is when someone quits a silo and moves their content to another silo
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Loqi ok
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