#indieweb 2016-08-12

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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on The Indieweb Frees Me From “Awaiting Moderation” by Chris Aldrich" by Chris Aldrich http://boffosocko.com/2016/08/10/the-indieweb-frees-me-from-awaiting-moderation/#comment-31678
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Loqi [indieweb] "Notes from tonight's Homebrew Website Club SF http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2016-08-10.html #indieweb" by Kevin Marks http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/notes-from-tonights-homebrew-website-club-sf-hwc2016-08-10html-indieweb
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Loqi [indieweb] "By: Chris Aldrich" by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/mike-its-an-edge-case-for-many-to-be-sure
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Loqi [indieweb] "By: Mike Sugarbaker" by Mike Sugarbaker http://theha.us/2016/this-is-nearly-the-opposite-of-an-effective-pitch-for
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GWG Evening
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2016-08-12.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
CherryPuffs, mindB, Jammy_Stuff, doesntgolf_, shiflett, wolftune, AngeloGladding, KevinMarks_, goodoo, KevinMarks, rhiaro, friedcell, Lana, Kopfstein, marjolein_, chillpenguin, Pierre-O, loicm, jboy, cmal, aliasd and gkbrk joined the channel
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@cmal_PP @RomainBurrel That's the problem with nazis (they get sympathy) & centralized platforms (they practice control and censorship). #Indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/764039229886390272)
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gkbrk Hey i'm having trouble logging in with indieauth
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gkbrk it seems to be using ascii instead of utf-8 and gives an error after encountering 'ö'
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gkbrk is there anything i can do?
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petermolnar gkbrk can you please give us an example?
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petermolnar which site are you trying to log in with?
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gkbrk petermolnar: gkbrk.com
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petermolnar interesting
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petermolnar you'll need to ping aaronpk
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jboy gkbrk: You can probably file a report at https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth.com/issues. It looks like there's already an issue having to do with umlauts: https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth.com/issues/115
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gkbrk yeah my case is a bit different since my domain and the page i'm trying to login to are both ascii
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gkbrk but the codebase assumes ascii only so i guess they are related
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petermolnar urls are ascii only
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petermolnar in reality
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petermolnar even the extreme ones are translated in the background
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petermolnar but you urls seem to be fine
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petermolnar so it's an interesting question, what breaks it
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gkbrk it's most likely my copyright line
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gkbrk it has my full name written there which includes ö
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jboy gkbrk: That's odd though, you'd think a parser looking for instances of <link rel="me"> elements wouldn't choke on something like that.
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jboy but my knowledge of ruby isn't good enough to figure out what the parser does.
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gkbrk yeah. all major html parsers that i know of handle utf-8 easily
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gkbrk i haven't read the code and i don't know ruby, but i doubt a full-fledged parser wouldn't handle it
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cmal what is collaborative editing
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "collaborative editing" yet. Would you like to create it?_
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cmal what is pad
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "pad" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tommorris I must thank aaronpk for his excellent 'oauth2 simplified' post.
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sknebel gkbrk: you have two meta-tags specifying a charset, that's the only odd thing I see. and since it's the same it would be weird if that confused the parser so much that it falls back...
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tommorris aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 1090 karma (414 in this channel)
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gkbrk sknebel: I added the first one after indieauth failed
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gkbrk normally there was just one
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aaronpk good morning
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aaronpk thanks tommorris :)
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Loqi good morning
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aaronpk gkbrk: it looks like it's failing on your linkedin URL
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gkbrk hmm. let me check it
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aaronpk oh great. my local copy of indieauth.com doesn't crash, it just skips over that one
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gkbrk so you have a fix implemented already
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aaronpk nope. i'm trying to reproduce the error locally but not getting the same error
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gkbrk maybe its related to the system locale?
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gkbrk since the same code works differently between computers
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aaronpk actually i think i found it
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aaronpk i can't remember why i added this https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth.com/commit/0bb9effe70eecaac1c5cb3531b1412e66a4b3154
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aaronpk but i think that's wrong
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gkbrk oh email_regex that's a good way to have a lot of problems
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aaronpk :)
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aaronpk it's not using that to find the email address on the page, don't worry
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aaronpk alright, pushed up the fix
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gkbrk thanks, will try
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gkbrk yay
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gkbrk does it matter which provider i authenticate with?
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gkbrk can i use different ones and still keep my data?
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aaronpk the authentication provider you choose is just to authenticate you at indieauth.com and doesn't get passed back to the site you're logging in to
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gkbrk ah i see
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gkbrk btw does indieauth actually need to use oauth for the services it trusts
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gkbrk if github has a rel=me back to my website and i have one for github isn't this good enough?
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aaronpk no, it needs to authenticate the user in front of the computer, otherwise i could log in as you
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gkbrk ohh ok
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gkbrk so the oauth that i approve isn't permenant it happens everytime?
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aaronpk correct
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gkbrk sounds cool
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gkbrk "An unhandled lowlevel error occured. The application logs may have details." sorry i keep breaking it
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aaronpk hah okay. which one did you click?
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gkbrk github
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aaronpk that sounds like this one, i was just taking a look at it https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth.com/issues/115
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gkbrk now the github provides is gone
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gkbrk doesn't even show up
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aaronpk it might have deleted it when it got the error with it
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aaronpk give me a sec, trying to reproduce on my account
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aaronpk whee look at all the non-ascii https://github.com/aaronpk
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gkbrk lol
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gkbrk now i keep trying to read it and it makes me laugh
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aaronpk yeah it doesn't make sense in any language lol
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aaronpk hm well that's not the problem
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aaronpk gkbrk: can you log in with github again so i can watch the logs
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gkbrk sure one sec
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gkbrk it worked
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gkbrk interesting
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aaronpk shoot
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gkbrk keep your github name like that i think the unicode gods like it
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aaronpk i really need to just start putting a non-ascii char in my name on all my profiles just to test them. this is kind of like how tantek is always a good test case since his last name is Çelik
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[kevinmarks] Add an emoji?
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gkbrk testing in prod is the best kind of testing
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aaronpk ooh github rejects that "Profile name contains unicode characters above 0xffff"
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petermolnar add ő or ű
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aaronpk i could start spelling my name Parécki so at least it somewhat indicates the pronunciation
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petermolnar those are fun; they were the only two hungarian chars out of the easter europe 8859-2, so they kept showing up as ō, ŏ or ô
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aaronpk gkbrk: when the login failed last time for you, do you happen to remember if the wiki page you clicked login from had a non-ascii char in its URL?
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gkbrk i used the same page to login this time iirc
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gkbrk so it did not
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[kevinmarks] There is a ꜳ character you could start your name with
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aaronpk haha
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Loqi nice
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aaronpk perfect
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aaronpk alright fixed the other issue voxpelli reported too https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth.com/issues/115
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tommorris TIL: the UK's Government Digital Service Manual (the document that explains to civil servants and government suppliers how to build web/digital services for government) includes reference to microformats - https://www.gov.uk/service-manual/making-software/apis.html
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gkbrk i am trying to decide whether to implement refback support or not. isn't it universally supported? i should get refbacks regardless of the other blog supporting trackbacks or webmentions right
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aaronpk refback is where you look for http referer headers right?
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aaronpk I ran that for a while on my site. It was interesting, but loooots of spam that came through. People put junk or spam into the referer header all the time
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tommorris whitelisted refback might work. ;-)
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aaronpk you can verify them the same way you verify webmentions
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mindB2 hey everyone. is there any established standard for keeping a h-entry marked up paginated feed machine readable? I can imagine a use case where the traditional 10 first page entries wouldn't be enough to show in a reader.
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aaronpk mindB2: you mean like linking to a page with more entries?
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aaronpk rel=prev and rel=next should do
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mindB2 yes thanks.
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aaronpk check out my page for an example: https://aaronparecki.com
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aaronpk when i was logging refbacks, mostly what i ended up finding was that a lot of google searches landed people at my site
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gkbrk with a little filtering script i think refbacks can provide valuable information
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gkbrk all right i set up caddy to log all referers and paths to a file, will experiment later
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gkbrk i would add a server-side script to handle trackbacks and webmentions but i run a static website
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gkbrk if the refback system doesn't work well, i'll try writing an http server in Rust to handle trackbacks
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aaronpk you can skip trackbacks and jump into webmention
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aaronpk trackbacks are only spam at this point since there is no verification step
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[kevinmarks] Also ref backs are declining as https takes over
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aaronpk https -> https still sends the referer tho
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[kevinmarks] Right, but referrals from Google, Twitter, Facebook etc are now missing due to https
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aaronpk no they come through as long as the tweet links to your site with https
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aaronpk i have *lots* of referer logs with twitter URLs https://aaronparecki.com/uploads/Screen-Shot-2016-08-12-09-36-09.png
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aaronpk same with google, although google obfuscates it through their own redirector so you don't get anything useful out of those
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gkbrk my website is also https, i should receive referers
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gkbrk i only got reddit so far
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sknebel ohh, I've read stuff you wrote before!
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sknebel (now I wonder if there is an IndieWeb usecase of reddit/HN/... style lists of all posts linking to a domain. Maybe for finding vouch-links?)
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gRegorLove Jeena: Was there a Göteborg HWC on 8/10?
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gkbrk sknebel: Awesome! Did you like them?
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[kevinmarks] Gillmor Gang time. Anything I should mention?
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aaronpk IWC NY
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Homebrew Website Club 2016-08-10" http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2016-08-10.html
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sknebel gkbrk: yeah, the random UDP stream analysis was interesting
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cmal sknebel: how about parsing the user-page for XFN relations as a vouching system?
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cmal this differenciates linking to an arbitrary content (the site might have changed hands in between) and trusting a user (identified by a URL)
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sknebel cmal: I meant those listing pages: https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=aaronparecki.com If my site had something like that, and you have a list of posts by others linking to you (since you got webmentions for them), you could relatively quickly check which one of those I've linked to before (and might trust, at least that seems to be the idea behind Vouch)
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aaronpk whoa I didn't know hackernews had that
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sknebel reddit has them as well
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gkbrk yeah
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sknebel click the domain after the headline in a listing
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gkbrk https://reddit.com/domain/aaronparecki.com for example
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sknebel (one of the weaknesses of HN: it has a lot of un- or badly documented details. I think I've got most of them figured out by now, but I also spend waaaay to much time there)
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cmal hmm that's interesting
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sknebel ideally there'd be a way to autodiscover those (so your endpoint can do it automatically), but hm...
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gkbrk search engines could publish backlink apis
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aaronpk i actually had that on my last site http://2015.aaronparecki.com/links-to/tantek.com
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gkbrk or something distributed could me made
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[kevinmarks] You're asking for Technorati again
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gkbrk what's technorati
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gkbrk their website is down
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KartikPrabhu what is technorati?
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Loqi Technorati was a real-time blog search engine that provided comprehensive date-ordered results within seconds of when people published on their blogs https://indieweb.org/Technorati
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[kevinmarks] It was a "who linked to me?" service originally
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gkbrk wow that sounds amazing
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gkbrk did it only collect links from member blogs or did it crawl the whole web
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[kevinmarks] Blogs, via ping service and recently updated lists
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[kevinmarks] The blog tools all pinged it one way or another
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gkbrk so is it gone for good?
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[kevinmarks] It stopped crawling after I left in 2007
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gkbrk you worked there?
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[kevinmarks] Or rather went from about 100M blogs to 100K chosen ones
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[kevinmarks] I wrote the spiders
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gkbrk i see
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gkbrk why don't we make one for ourselves?
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gkbrk i mean i guess webmentions do the same thing without a central server
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[kevinmarks] Right
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gkbrk but are they widely supported?
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gkbrk i'm still reading up on them but it seems like most webmention pings come from proxies (social media websites or pingback to webmention converters)
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KartikPrabhu no "social media" site supports webmentions natively, that is done by bridgy
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KartikPrabhu a lot of people here send webmetions from their own sites
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KartikPrabhu what is webmention?
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Loqi Webmention is a simple way to notify any URL when you link to it on your site https://indieweb.org/Webmention
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KartikPrabhu see: https://indieweb.org/Webmention#IndieWeb_Examples
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gkbrk are there any plans to add native support to any blogging software?
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gkbrk all wordpress blogs suddenly supporting this would be huge
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KartikPrabhu GWG is working on convincing the wordpress people
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Toba_ how does webmention protect against spam
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Toba_ it seems like it would be highly spammable
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aaronpk it's just as spammable as pingback, but we've left room to add extensions so we can try out various countermeasures
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KartikPrabhu webmention by itself does not but there are extensions like Vouch
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KartikPrabhu what is vouch?
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Loqi The Vouch protocol is an anti-spam extension to Webmention. Webmention with Vouch depends on understanding Webmention https://indieweb.org/Vouch
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KartikPrabhu you can also add in your own anti-spam measures
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Toba_ interesting
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[kevinmarks] Spam fighting was a huge part of Technorati
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KartikPrabhu [kevinmarks]: are technorati's strategies against spam documented somewhere?
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KartikPrabhu might be useful prior-art
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[kevinmarks] Not really, it was non public
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gkbrk documenting anti-spam measures kinda defats the purpose, no?
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Toba_ no
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[kevinmarks] Well, it depends.
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[kevinmarks] Giving them an Oracle is often bad.
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Toba_ Computer Facts
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Toba_ ”@computerfact
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Toba_ if you're in a hurry here's the answer to every question about computers: it depends
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gkbrk maybe something like the common crawl can be used for finding backlinks
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gkbrk i think the lag between the crawls might make this useless though
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KartikPrabhu what is the common crawl?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "common crawl" yet. Would you like to create it?
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gkbrk KartikPrabhu: https://commoncrawl.org/
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gkbrk basically a huge database of web crawl data
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aaronpk answer "common crawl is ...." and loqi will make a page for it
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aaronpk (but don't copy/paste a definition, just answer in normal text)
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gkbrk i'll probably screw it up and make his database dirty
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miklb his database is the wiki and is editable :)
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KartikPrabhu common crawl is https://commoncrawl.org/
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Loqi ok
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miklb or hers
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[kevinmarks] common crawl is a huge database of web crawl data
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[kevinmarks] Too late
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gkbrk what is common crawl?
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Loqi common crawl is a huge database of web crawl data https://indieweb.org/common_crawl
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gkbrk wait can i try something?
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gkbrk what is common crawl?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/common_crawl
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gkbrk damn
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AngeloGladding what is scutter
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "scutter" yet. Would you like to create it?
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AngeloGladding what is scutter?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "scutter" yet. Would you like to create it?
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AngeloGladding has anyone heard of a scutter?
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AngeloGladding from back in the RDF days -- a semantic web crawler
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gRegorLove Hah. Loqi requires the <dfn> to with the text gkbrk.
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gRegorLove Pretty sure he won't go in a loop with his own text though :)
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gkbrk :(
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gkbrk what is common crawl?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/common_crawl
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gkbrk looks like you're right
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gRegorLove Interesting. Looks like an alternative to Internet Archive
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[kevinmarks] I only know of a scutter from red dwarf
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gkbrk gRegorLove: i don't know if they keep archived data though
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AngeloGladding nice
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AngeloGladding you're half way there
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gkbrk internet archive is more limited but much more comprehensive
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AngeloGladding scutter is a semantic web crawler
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Loqi ok
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gRegorLove That sentence does not compute to me, haha
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gkbrk does it break normal pages?
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Loqi ahahahaha
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gkbrk what the
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gkbrk why did it become sentient all of a sudden?
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gRegorLove Loqi responds to various things.
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gRegorLove Who is Loqi?
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Loqi Loqi is a friendly and useful bot present in the IndieWeb discussion channels https://indiewebcamp.com/User:Loqi.me
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gkbrk but does he break normal pages?
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gRegorLove ?
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AngeloGladding kevinmarks: wed i mentioned webmention + crawler as core functionality for robust indiewebsite -- technically i meant a scutter
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gRegorLove gkbrk: What's broken?
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AngeloGladding quite possibly the technorati crawler could have been defined as such
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gkbrk silo is a centralized web site typically owned by a for-profit corporation
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sknebel gkbrk: Loqi only creates new wikipages that don't exist yet.
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sknebel and only if someone asked him before
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gkbrk ok that's good
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[kevinmarks] Well, it parsed feeds and web pages heuristically
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gRegorLove And only for like 10 minutes after the ask. Or maybe 5.
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GWG Did someone say WordPress?
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AngeloGladding yeah obviously Google and the rest use heuristics but they really must traverse all links
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AngeloGladding i imagine commanding your personal scutter to find all events 3-4 degrees of separation from you
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gkbrk GWG: wordpress default when?
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AngeloGladding by no means a full web crawl
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AngeloGladding but a focused, localized crawl in search of specific semantics
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AngeloGladding maybe the difference is ... semantic
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[kevinmarks] In effect webmentions drive that
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AngeloGladding ok
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gkbrk whoa reflink revealed something
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AngeloGladding i'll reserve thought on the matter until I've fully implemented webmentions
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gkbrk a link from archwiki
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[kevinmarks] As to send them you end up fetching the target
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[kevinmarks] And to receive them you fetch and parse the source
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miklb have I mentioned how nice it is to have Quill as a menubar app?
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AngeloGladding what if an event is posted and you aren't explicitly mentioned?
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Loqi http://meme.loqi.me/m/4ikPn8z4.jpg
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[kevinmarks] Hahah
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GWG gkbrk: The community isn't ready for every WordPress site to come online. But the plugin is evolving and we're hoping it will become part of WordPress someday.
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AngeloGladding lol
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AngeloGladding like a big event
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AngeloGladding not one you weren't invited to
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AngeloGladding :)
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gkbrk GWG: anything that isn't ready for wide-scale public use yet?
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gkbrk antispam maybe?
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GWG gkbrk, I have been making changes to try and make it work with existing antispam tools.
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[kevinmarks] Well, wordpress has antispam with akismet which has to cope with trackbacks
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GWG Pfefferle, the author, is often busy with other projects, so I try not to overload him
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gkbrk yeah you can probably leverage the existing trackback code
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GWG Akismet looks at the webmention before enhancements. Which is an issue.
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GWG gkbrk, I have stared at the code so much I know what we have to do.
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GWG gkbrk, are you interested in that project?
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gkbrk unfortunately i don't have a wordpress setup
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GWG gkbrk, oh well
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gkbrk GWG: so according to this page (https://akismet.com/development/api/#comment-check) you only need user ip and user agent. On top of that you can add the author url and the ping time and akismet should have enough data to detect spams
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gkbrk hopefully
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GWG gkbrk, except the design of the current plugin parses mf2 after Akismet has done its check.
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gkbrk so we don't have the comment text
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gkbrk we should still have a url, ip and user agent right?
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Loqi agreed.
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gkbrk thanks Loqi ^_^
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Loqi you're welcome
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gkbrk aww he's like Bucket in #xkcd but nice
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[kevinmarks] Hm, dev in slack not being mirrored to irc is confusing
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GWG It is producing some false positives
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gkbrk hmm
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gkbrk why does the plugin go through akismet first?
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GWG Akismet hooks in earlier in the process.
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gkbrk don't use the plugin maybe?
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gkbrk making a direct request to akismet APIs should allow you more flexibility
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GWG gkbrk, but the Akismet plugin is written by Akismet.
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GWG And they aren't the only WordPress Spam plugin.
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GWG I want to make it so it should work better overall
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GWG And if we ever want to try and get the code into Core... it needs to be compliant with their philosophy
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GWG In the meantime, I have been sneaking tweaks into WordPress for three versions to get better support for it.
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GWG I should know if I talk WordPress that Chrisaldrich will show.
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ChrisAldrich GWG++ for his trojan horse methods on behalf of indieweb ;)
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Loqi gwg has 177 karma (163 in this channel)
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ChrisAldrich I love that you just popped up into chat earlier with the welcome: "Did someone mention WordPress?"
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gkbrk oh we have magical internet points here?
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AngeloGladding lol
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Loqi I agree
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AngeloGladding hey Chris
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ChrisAldrich morning Angelo!
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ChrisAldrich or maybe afternoon now for 5 minutes
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ChrisAldrich I visited Cross Campus this morning in Pasadena to see if we could cop some free space from them for HWC meetings
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gkbrk Loqi++
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Loqi loqi has 404 karma (51 in this channel)
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ChrisAldrich Angelo, in case you missed it, I'm now the organizing lead for IndieWebCamp in Novemmber. I'm expecting you to RSVP and volunteer to help...
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ChrisAldrich https://indieweb.org/2016/LA
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ChrisAldrich or maybe co-organize?!
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AngeloGladding sure
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gkbrk hmm...
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AngeloGladding I'm more than willing to help out
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gkbrk ah, i can't change my nick to gkbrk++
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aaronpk but you can change it to gkbrk--
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AngeloGladding do we need to find a new host for IWC?
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ChrisAldrich for now, I view it as outreach to the LA-area development communities, but we were already starting to do that for HWC
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aaronpk !karma russell
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Loqi russell has -373 karma (0 in this channel)
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aaronpk there is a russell-- in another channel Loqi is in
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ChrisAldrich shaners said that Pivotal was still in, I'll try to go by and visit the management shortly. They host a few other Meetup.com groups in LA (Ruby I think is one.)
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gkbrk-- oh the bot probably won't get his messages
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GWG I have a notification for WordPress on my phone
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ChrisAldrich GWG, on the earlier conversation about akismet/spam, I've noticed there's much less webmention commentary being marked as spam on my install now.
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ChrisAldrich I do too and just got KevinMarks ping from a bit ago.
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ChrisAldrich Mostly the only webmention spam I get marked now is from me using my own Known install
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gkbrk how can i send pings in a static website?
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gkbrk i know i can receive them with external servers
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aaronpk gkbrk: same idea, you can use an external service to do it, or you could send them when your build process builds the page
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ChrisAldrich does webmention.io do that? and isnt' there a heroku app too? I've been contemplating a static site, just for fun...
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aaronpk webmention.io is only for receiving
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ChrisAldrich sadly my WordPress poison ivy is too inflamed recently to dabble in the static world.
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gkbrk i miss dynamic websites
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ChrisAldrich Oooo... Gilmor Gang soon! KevinMarks, could you please twist his arm into offering an audio only RSS feed?
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Loqi misses dynamic websites too
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gkbrk i would implement a comment system and webmention with ease
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gkbrk but static websites are just too good
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[kevinmarks] I told them to use huffduff-video.snarfed.org to make one
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[kevinmarks] You missed it, it was 10am PT today
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ChrisAldrich I had been doing that for a while, but it seems like they quit using any video services that worked with huffduff
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ChrisAldrich Oops, that mobile notification was painfully late then.
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gRegorLove lambda-comments lets you add comments to a static site. Jim was at the IndieWeb Summit this year. https://jimpick.com/2016/05/05/introducing-lambda-comments/
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gRegorLove I think he added/was adding webmention support to it? Don't recall.
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KevinMarks A better answer than comment parade could be using silo.pub for webmention comments
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KevinMarks So if you don't have an indieweb site, comment on twitter/tumblr etc
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gkbrk i mostly use reddit and lobsters for comments
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gkbrk is there any glue between those and webmentions?
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sknebel don't think so
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neilpdx just in case anyone here is using FastCGI. i am wondering if FastCGI handles AJAX requests differently based on the verb. so i am wondering if something different happens when the request is get versus post.
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 2pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2016-08-12.html
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[kevinmarks] You could add them to bridgy and/or silo.pub
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gRegorLove Huh, commentpara.de doesn't show up as new in that version^. It did before.
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miklb just saw this for gh based static sites for comments https://github.com/eduardoboucas/staticman
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gRegorLove gkbrk: What's lobsters?
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aaronpk scrambles to update the twitter script to post multiple photos from the newsletter
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gRegorLove Heh
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 2pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2016-08-12.html
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gkbrk gRegorLove: ask Loqi
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gRegorLove Not on the wiki, that's why I asked :)
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gRegorLove Wasn't sure if it was something to wikify or not
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gkbrk ask it so i can add
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gkbrk it's somewhat related
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aaronpk ah shoot
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gkbrk aaronpk: what happened?
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gkbrk did you witness something?
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aaronpk silo.pub seems to only support multiple photos with photo[], but i can't make a request like that with curl in php
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aaronpk i can do photo[0] photo[1]
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gRegorLove Anyone can ask; doesn't have to be someone else
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gkbrk it doesn't?
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gkbrk what is lobsters?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "lobsters" yet. Would you like to create it?
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gkbrk lobsters is a technology-focused link-aggregation site similar to Hacker News https://lobste.rs
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Loqi ok
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gRegorLove Cool :)
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indieweb.org/this-week/2016-08-12.html https://twitter.com/indiewebcamp/status/764208599119691776/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/764208599119691776)
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@devonzuegel @ChrisAldrich Thanks for pointing me towards Hypothesis & IndieWeb! Both look right up my alley. Excited to spend the day reading about them (twitter.com/_/status/764209232136679424)
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Loqi [indieweb] "I took your table and filled it out with some Indieweb technology pointers here: https://indieweb…" by Kevin Marks https://medium.com/@kevinmarks/i-took-your-table-and-filled-it-out-with-some-indieweb-technology-pointers-here-https-indieweb-963f369eb18d?source=rss-------1
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Loqi [indieweb] "I took your table and filled it out with some Indieweb technology pointers here: https://indieweb…" by Kevin Marks https://medium.com/@kevinmarks/i-took-your-table-and-filled-it-out-with-some-indieweb-technology-pointers-here-https-indieweb-963f369eb18d?source=rss-d2f50a6a3291------2
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@kevinmarks @anildash @openupdigi see https://indieweb.org/lost_infrastructure (twitter.com/_/status/764210414397771777)
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aaronpk oh hey anildash acknowledged us :) I missed that the other day
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aaronpk https://twitter.com/anildash/status/763697767038513152
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@anildash @openupdigi there are lots of folks in the indieweb movement who are building tools to do this on a tech level. Key is platform integration. (twitter.com/_/status/763697767038513152)
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@kevinmarks @petermolnar @anildash think he means generation 3 or 4 on this chart - building into hosting companies https://indieweb.org/generations (twitter.com/_/status/764210966535909376)
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KevinMarks I just need to keep reminding him we exist
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aaronpk probably not unless there are interesting developments
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ChrisAldrich Just noticed that indieauth allows clef.io now -- that's pretty nifty looking...
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aaronpk yep! an alternate email authentication mechanism basically
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miklb A month and a half should be enough time for me to put together an IndieWeb talk I think ;-)
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aaronpk turns out Clef is basically what I was outlining with https://indieweb.org/kirby-login-app
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@ChrisAldrich @devonzuegel If you have questions, feel free to ask. There's a helpful group on IRC/slack if you need anything https://indieweb.org/IRC (twitter.com/_/status/764223444414177280)
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gRegorLove What is Clef?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Clef" yet. Would you like to create it?
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aaronpk Clef is an application that enables websites to authenticate users without passwords. https://getclef.com
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Loqi ok
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gRegorLove Looks cool. What rel do I need to add to try it?
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aaronpk just your email address
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AngeloGladding aaronpk: do you have a geocoding service?
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aaronpk http://atlas.p3k.io
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AngeloGladding cool, thought so. can i ask what dataset you're leveraging?
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AngeloGladding i see the source code
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AngeloGladding thanks