#indieweb 2016-08-15

2016-08-15 UTC
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sknebel miklb: if you use brid.gy that would require a second build pass, right? upload page, send webmentions to bridgy, gather URLs from responses, update posts and reupload, (re)send other webmentions
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miklb yes to second build. Just would need to figure out how to gather URL of associate post/tweet and add.
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snarfed miklb: it's in the bridgy publish response, if that helps. https://brid.gy/about#response
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miklb ah yes
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miklb so then I just need to figure out how to check for existence of that link, if none, then commit to the file.
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miklb and what do you know, following links on the wiki, this might get me closer http://atomicules.co.uk/2015/05/22/Yet-more-Indieweb-syndication-notes.html
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Loqi [atomicules] Yet more Indieweb syndication - Notes
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GWG Did anyone notice that someone implemented a Hangouts plugin for libpurple and Pidgin?
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GWG It is nice to know that even with them deprecating XMPP, someone is keeping interoperability alive.
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@cmal_PP The real difference between PUT and POST requests. #HTTP #Indieweb http://zacharyvoase.com/2009/07/03/http-post-put-diff/ (twitter.com/_/status/765167536115593216)
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cmal aaronpk: do you know openpgpjs? https://openpgpjs.org/
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aaronpk cmal: hadn't seen that before
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cmal it's a pretty recent initiative but with webstorage it's starting to sound like a solution for browser-side key management and encryption :)
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cmal btw I was just talking on XMPP with some social-XMPP veterans and they've pointed me to: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0060.html#impl-uri
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cmal so it appears XMPP PUBSUB indeed has unique URIs for published content as well, so I don't see any big barriers in XMPP-Indieweb interop
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aaronpk then go for it!
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aaronpk what's your plan on using xmpp on your site?
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cmal on their side, I'm trying to convince them to update their web "gateways" (like blogs) to add mf2 support (they've been stuck with ATOM 1.1 like forever)
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cmal my plan would be to be able to reply/reshare content from the XMPP social network and syndicate to my XMPP PUBSUB
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cmal the advantage is XMPP allows for group communication and such, so with proper mapping, I think that can be pretty much translated to ActivityPub streams to handle private communication as well (or group-based publications)
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cmal (very theoretical atm considering my website does not support ActivityPub nor XMPP, but that APPEARS to be feasible)
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aaronpk you should give it a shot!
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cmal the main issue being that XMPP people tend to be like "meh, why are you trying to reinvent XMPP with your web things?" and they're not entirely wrong about it given the state-of-the-art social networking there is on XMPP (MOVIM, Salut á Toi…)
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cmal even Diaspora is now adopting XMPP as a social networking standard (they're starting with chatting, but once they have a JID for everyone it's going to be super smooth to move the whole protocol to XMPP)
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cmal (that will also solve their "we need to make a Diaspora API but we don't know what it should look like" problem that's been lasting like forever :D)
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cmal so yeah I will give it a try when I'm done writing the basics of my small CMS :)
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cmal I think that's fairly important to pursue given the fact that XMPP and Diaspora social networks represent literally millions of users and their protocols are already fairly-decentralized by nature
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petermolnar wondered for a second to revive his PHP4 and Prototype JS based CMS... brrr...
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voxpelli decided to kill his CMS with 🔥
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cmal switched from Known to Grav, but is still not satisfied enough.
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petermolnar EDONTHAVETHATUNICODECHARINMYFONT
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petermolnar oh, I nearly went Grav
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cmal it's a really nice CMS, just not designed for a lot of pages :-/
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petermolnar it turned out having hundreds of 10+Mpixel images in Grav is not really supported
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cmal but extending it is smooooooooooooth :)
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petermolnar I agree
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petermolnar but it has significant flaws
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cmal yup
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petermolnar and I only have 2k post-like entities
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petermolnar still managed to kill it
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cmal I think mostly it's about : 1. the routing table is stored in memory (and is not regex-matched so it's huge), 2. everything has to be updated (taxonomies, collections) when one single item is updated
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voxpelli petermolnar: you no emoji supporting? 😱
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cmal both issues could easily be addressed actually, but that would require to switch from the "I'm just modifying a file" mindset to proper logics handling updating data
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cmal which I think is precisely NOT the goal of Grav as a project
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petermolnar this is becoming too -dev, isn't it?
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bear cmal - where was the Social-XMPP discussion?
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cmal on a french-speaking MUC (#linuxfr on jabberfr.org)
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cmal but I'm going to populate the wiki with what I gathered from the discussion :)
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cmal what is xmpp
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Loqi Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol (XMPP) is an open messaging standard, perhaps best known in its use for cross-platform instant-messaging application interoperability https://indieweb.org/XMPP
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@domenicoperri #USERMEDIA domenicoperri starred indieweb/wordpress-indieweb https://github.com/indieweb/wordpress-indieweb #S42AT #invispide https://twitter.com/domenicoperri/status/765211468228730880/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/765211468228730880)
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@kevinmarks @philgyford nice work - come to indieWebcamp in Brighton next month https://indieweb.org/2016/Brighton (twitter.com/_/status/765224718244847616)
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aaronpk hmm not a lot of examples here https://indieweb.org/draft
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aaronpk of the people who support draft posts, do you have a visual indicator that the post is a draft?
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KevinMarks A visual indicator where?
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aaronpk on the post
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aaronpk like "THIS IS A DRAFT" or some color/shading
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Zegnat Kudos to whoever did the new IRC chat log design. Just finished reading today’s backlog on chat.indieweb.org instead of in my client!
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aaronpk awesome haha
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Loqi awesome
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Zegnat Did you do the design, aaronpk ?
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aaronpk yep
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KevinMarks Wow, this is crazy https://twitter.com/everickert/status/764952362066677760
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@everickert Wow, so. It appears a client has just discovered a massive bug in @dropbox that allowed him to delete my entire account + all files. (twitter.com/_/status/764952362066677760)
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Zegnat aaronpk++ for essentially rendering my IRC client useless.
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Loqi aaronpk has 1093 karma (415 in this channel)
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aaronpk soon i'll finish porting the chat interface back to chat.indieweb.org so you won't even need an IRC client at all anymore :D
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Zegnat I was just thinking of making to switch to weechat + glowing bear, but I wasn’t sure about giving up my nice client yet …
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aaronpk Zegnat: i switched *to* weechat+glowing-bear, and it's amazing. highly recommend it
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Zegnat The only thing that is keeping me back is that I am using a nice client (Textual on Mac) and I would be losing that.
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aaronpk depends on what you mean by "nice" i guess
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petermolnar turns out some of us show up somewhat regularly in Amsterdam; would anyone be interesting in having a HWC there, if enough of us happen to be there at once?
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Zegnat is in
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Zegnat Also, putting it out there and on record: if you are in the Netherlands and travelling by train on a full priced fare, nudge me to travel with you so you can have 40% off outside of rush hour.
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jboy I'm in Amsterdam.
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mindB2 why is glowing-bear superior to vanilla weechat?
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jboy also uses weechat+glowingbear, fwiw
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Zegnat jboy: nice, would you be up for a IndieWeb meet-up / HWC?
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Zegnat mindB2, for me, I am not a big fan of IRC-in-the-terminal.
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jboy Yes, I think I might.
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mindB2 I guess permanence across devices.
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mindB2 Zegnat: ah, terminal feels fairly natural for me.
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Zegnat Gothenburg had 3 people for the first HWC, so I guess Amsterdam can be a go with 3 people as well ;) (https://indieweb.org/events/2015-07-29-homebrew-website-club#G.C3.B6teborg)
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Zegnat mindB2, I am just starting to feel at home in the terminal. Cannot imagine bringing my chat into it.
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jboy mindB2: The nice thing it's not either/or. You can use the Android app and then switch seamlessly back to the terminal.
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Zegnat Only thing currently keeping me from glowing-bear is that I would be swapping my nice client for a browser window.
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Zegnat I should probably just set it up over the weekend and see which I like better.
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Loqi I agree
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mindB2 does anybody use weechat with xmpp? Are there good plugins for it?
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jboy mindB2: I have used it with bitlbee, but I think I stopped due to lack of OTR.
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sknebel jboy: I thought bitlbee does OTR?
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sknebel or do you mean OTR "to the client"?
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jboy You are right, it does, but it has some weird wonkiness that makes initiating OTR sessions difficult, afaik.
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KartikPrabhu what is OTR?
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KartikPrabhu loqi you there?
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KartikPrabhu what is OTR?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "OTR" yet. Would you like to create it?
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KartikPrabhu sknebel: jboy: please add ^
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jboy OTR is a cryptographic protocol that provides encryption for instant messaging conversations.
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Loqi ok
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jboy plagiarizes wikipedia
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KartikPrabhu jboy: not a good idea. you can always just use your own words instead of direct copy-pasta
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GWG What about pop-up HWCs?
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bear jboy - what KartikPrabhu is saying is that we prefer even a badly worded sentance explaining things than a copy-pasta of wikipedia
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bear because what we are trying to capture isn't the most perfect of technical explanations, but rather what you consider to be a useful definition
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aaronpk Also copyright
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jboy what is otr?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/OTR
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gRegorLove Good afternoon, indieweb
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snarfed hi gRegorLove!
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gRegorLove What's new?
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sknebel What is otr?
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Loqi OTR (off-the-record) is a protocol to add encryption with forward secrecy to instant messaging https://indieweb.org/OTR
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sknebel jboy: see https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=OTR&action=historysubmit&diff=30073&oldid=30072 for how to get Loqi to show the text :)
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bear gRegorLove++ for being our IndieWeb wiki garderner and keeper of the IndieWeb style-and-practices knowledge
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Loqi gregorlove has 76 karma (64 in this channel)
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Zegnat GWG: pop-up HWCs ... that sounds interesting.
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gRegorLove Hah, thanks
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GWG Tantek sort of does it. He tries to organize get togethers on his travels.
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bear if loqi would let me I would do that another dozen times - wiki gardening is such an important task
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Zegnat Well. If anyone is in Düsseldorf the last weekend of august, I would love a get-together pop-up HWC ;)
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gRegorLove Re: number of attendees, Chicago HWC was just 2 for most of the time. Occasional other people would drop in.
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gRegorLove So go for it! :)
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GWG I would say pop-up HWCS around other events are also an option.
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petermolnar other event: X irc-person visiting Y city ;)
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Zegnat Oh. That would be cool too
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sknebel wasn't there a social network some years ago that matched travel plans? one of these things I only learned about when I read the shutdown notice...
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aaronpk dopplr
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Zegnat That would be straight up my alley. I hate checking out cities by myself. Too bad it no longer exists.
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gRegorLove This is new, to me at least. On Twitter a friend RT something but it says "This Retweet from @JimmyDonofrio has been withheld in response to a report from the copyright holder. Learn more"
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cmal hmmm has anyone seen this already ? https://solid.mit.edu/
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gRegorLove Still lists [username] retweeted above it, and the original tweet author changed to "Tweet witheld"
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gRegorLove I'll take a guess that it's something Olympics related.
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Zegnat cmal: I am guessing rhiaro has seen it, being part of the team!
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gRegorLove What is solid?
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Loqi Solid is a decentralized file system and protocol designed to power decentralized social applications and linked data https://indieweb.org/Solid
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snarfed PSA: feel free to thumbs up (heart, etc) these Medium API feature requests that would enable Bridgy backfeed!
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snarfed https://github.com/Medium/medium-api-docs/issues/71 , https://github.com/Medium/medium-api-docs/issues/72
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aaronpk ha benwerd is commenting on those
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snarfed how do you know? i mean i assumed he would, but still...?
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snarfed or did you mean that repo's issues in general
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aaronpk https://github.com/Medium/medium-api-docs/issues/52#issuecomment-229154350
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snarfed right
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Loqi [indieweb] "Sharing from the #IndieWeb on Mobile (Android) with Apps and @WithKnown" by Daniel Nix on 2016-08-15 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/sharing-from-the-indieweb-on-mobile-android-with-apps-and
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[kevinmarks] Flashback to last xoxo when I was pitching micropub to the medium dev guy
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aaronpk well hey at this year's xoxo micropub will be a w3c candidate recommendation :)
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aaronpk (i'm 99% sure it's being published tomorrow)
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[noahread] Talking with manton it seems like it would fun to have a Homebrew Website Club meetup in Austin. Anybody interested in something like that?
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aaronpk if there's two of you, by all means go for it!
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KevinMarks_ Woohoo
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Loqi :D
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KartikPrabhu [noahread]: the chicago HWC was 2 people so it can be done
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@noahread I think it would be fun to have an IndieWebCamp Homebrew Website Club”‹ in Austin. Anyone else interested?”‹ https://indieweb.org/Events (twitter.com/_/status/765299374930980864)
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aaronpk portland is just me half the time so hey :)
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rascul is back!
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Loqi rascul: tantek left you a message on 2015-11-08 at 7:08am UTC: long time no see! missed you at IndieWebCamp MIT!
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rascul i had a bunch of Life things to deal with and had to take a hiatus for awhile
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bear rascul++ for dealing with Life things
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Loqi rascul has 34 karma (25 in this channel)
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rascul now i'm making my new site, in rust :)
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aaronpk wb!
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rascul i've been traveling around the country camping the last few months, taking a break for a bit, then hitting the road again in a month or so
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rascul all of which will be documented when i get my site back up
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@sdepolo Heard from @benwerd at #indieweb about #orkut becoming #HelloNetwork. Check it out @SPfunder https://www.hello.com/en/index.html (twitter.com/_/status/765303354759282689)
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