#indieweb 2016-08-16

2016-08-16 UTC
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@multimediaarts @kevinmarks Learning more about the indieweb from your appearance on This Week in Google on @TWiT (twitter.com/_/status/765340704851779585)
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miklb that was easy. Notes now autolink @twitter usernames and urls
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KevinMarks_ Did you use the js or python version?
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miklb me? I use Jekyll, so used a Ruby gem and found a kramdown way of autolinking urls.
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rascul ugh close to being "done" with my site then realized a better way of doing it
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rascul i hate when this happens
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KartikPrabhu incremental improvement
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rascul well this isn't really a big change though
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rascul but since i'm learning rust at the same time, it'll take longer
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rascul heh i just noticed this was #indieweb not #indiewebcamp, when was that change made?
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KartikPrabhu i know the feeling. I learnt python by building my site
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GWG rascul: Independence Day
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rascul indiependence day?
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KartikPrabhu about a month ago
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GWG July 4th
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KartikPrabhu you know, the day when the earth's combined forces stopped an alien invasion!?
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KartikPrabhu or the Higgs boson day
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rascul the alien thing happens all the time
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rascul i aliened so hard when i was in the army
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GWG I'm a big Dr. Okun fan. I think he was the real hero of that movie.
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rascul oh the crazy scientist guy
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KevinMarks_ I have to wait for the urls that autocomplete to redirect before I share them now
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GWG rascul: I'm a fan of Brent Spiner, what can I say?
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rascul you can say exactly that ;)
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KartikPrabhu what is rust?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "rust" yet. Would you like to create it?
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GWG rascul: I'm a fan of Brent Spiner.
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KartikPrabhu rascul: for you to document ^^
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rascul i can't login right now because i'm siteless :(
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KartikPrabhu you could say "rust is ...." to start a page
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rascul rust is a systems programming language that runs blazingly fast, prevents segfaults, and guarantees thread safety.
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Loqi ok
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KartikPrabhu what is rust?
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Loqi rust is a systems programming language that runs blazingly fast, prevents segfaults, and guarantees thread safety https://indieweb.org/rust
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KartikPrabhu boom!
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rascul yay!
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Loqi yay!
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miklb rascul note the URL change to match the channel
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[kevinmarks] I do like this paradigm
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[kevinmarks] It beats the old jibot way
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rascul miklb i did indeed
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rascul doh i should have added https://www.rust-lang.org in there
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KartikPrabhu rust << https://www.rust-lang.org
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Loqi ok, I added "https://www.rust-lang.org" to the "See Also" section of /rust
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rascul ahh, nice
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rascul Loqi has been learning fun new tricks in my absence
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KartikPrabhu :thumbs-up:
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rascul if anyone is interested in my rustiness https://github.com/rascul/crash
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AngeloGladding in one sentence, why use rust for a static site generator?
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rascul because i want to
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AngeloGladding learn the lang?
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rascul not sure if there's any actual rational reasons for it
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rascul learning is part of it, but not a big part
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snarfed on small personal side projects, "because i want to" and learning are perfect reasons for choosing a lang, framework, tool, etc
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snarfed rascul++
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rascul i think i've pretty much learned close to all i can about rust so far with a static site generator, they're not really very complex things
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AngeloGladding just wondering because the languages strong points seem entirely at odds with such a use case
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rascul not so much at odds as not relevant
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KartikPrabhu yeah that ^ was my impression
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KartikPrabhu rust seems to be designed for large-scale sites but no harm in using it on a small one
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rascul for the most part, static site generators tend to be pretty simple things
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rascul i have one here that i made in under 200 lines of bash that includes a basic template language heh
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rascul i've also made on in under 10 lines of bash
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rascul seems like with this one in rust i spend more time making error messages mean something for the user than anything else
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KartikPrabhu that is useful
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AngeloGladding just wondering if it was something security-related to be honest
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rascul there's little to concern yourself with as far as security with static site generators
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rascul here's the bash one https://gist.github.com/rascul/108d357078b4f794cee00400143d886e
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AngeloGladding i'm adopting an abandoned web framework and templating language and contemplating the security implications as i move forward
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AngeloGladding it could matter if you were to move into allowing a third-party to supply a template'
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AngeloGladding i just wrote an *actual* bash script for the first time in my life and .....
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AngeloGladding quite the experience
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rascul true, but that's not the concern of the site generator itself
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rascul if you're using third party templates (or maybe even content) then you should possibly also be auditing it to some extent
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rascul i have lots of experience with bash scripting, if you ever need assistance with it and i'm around i'm always happy to help out
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AngeloGladding hmm.. we can go off the deep end here.. i've adopted Templetor http://webpy.org/docs/0.3/templetor and it allows for full Python inside of the template and the forgiveness and hackability of Python ultimately leaves room for mischief in such a context
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AngeloGladding i've heard security, security, security w/ Rust so I was curious
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AngeloGladding I'll keep that in mind, thanks
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rascul heh that bash site generator allows for bash scripts in the templates
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AngeloGladding k i just read it a second time.. my head hurts. :)
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rascul yeah, bash scripts can do that to you, especially if you're like me and you don't comment them
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rascul here are some other fun bash scripts https://github.com/dokku/dokku https://github.com/halhen/shic
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AngeloGladding a bootstrap script: https://gist.github.com/angelogladding/c01eb1a1707804864a6235117e3e886f for my indiewebsite: https://angelo.lahacker.net
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AngeloGladding i tried running it on a second host and realized quickly that there's going to be differences between Linux and *BSD
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AngeloGladding much less abstraction than Python
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AngeloGladding i couldn't find a way to abstract lines 63-69 out of the download() function
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rascul i can give you four tips at a quick glance without getting to lines 63-69
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AngeloGladding fire away
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rascul 1. consider using '#!/usr/bin/env bash' as the shebang because bash isn't always in /bin (ie bsd), 2. since it's a bash script, consider using [[ ]] instead of [ ]
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rascul 3. use $( ) instead of ` ` and 4. use printf instead of echo and 5. you have some things that need quoting, (line 62)
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rascul i guess that was 5, i'll provide reference links shortly
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AngeloGladding ok cool.. the subtleties that i definitely pushed through
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rascul http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide/TestsAndConditionals#Conditional_Blocks_.28if.2C_test_and_.5B.5B.29 http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashPitfalls#echo_.24foo http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/082 http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Quotes
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rascul uname might be difficult, i don't have any other systems atm but the options may differ to get Linux vs FreeBSD vs whatever
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AngeloGladding cool thanks
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rascul what specifically did you want to change about 63-69?
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AngeloGladding so I've kludged all of that together on my own, repeatedly
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AngeloGladding in trying to open source all the things..
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AngeloGladding i began to document the install in HTML form
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AngeloGladding and had the epiphany that I could do everyone a service by documenting in bash script
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AngeloGladding then i realized i had a new problem :)
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AngeloGladding i'll address your insights
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AngeloGladding as for 63-69
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KevinMarks_ I tend to write things that would be bash scripts in python
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AngeloGladding i got confident, nay arrogant, and tried my script on a second host
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rascul KevinMarks_ that's generally a good practice
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AngeloGladding FreeBSD
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AngeloGladding yeah i've done that in the past
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AngeloGladding but I wanted a single file.
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AngeloGladding no dependencies.
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AngeloGladding *extremely* cross platform
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AngeloGladding Python2.7 w/ the `sh` library?
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AngeloGladding possible.. i've ran into verbosity with that in the past
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rascul you don't need sh, python has mechanisms to run commands without it, sh is just for convenience (and very nice at it)
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AngeloGladding yeah for sure
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KevinMarks_ More using python tools for directory traversal
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AngeloGladding the "source"ing
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AngeloGladding that at least threw me
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AngeloGladding having to source different virtual environments
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AngeloGladding primarily because supervisor still doesn't support Py3k
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AngeloGladding getting real here..
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rascul it does, but iirc on fbsd you need to custom build it from ports
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rascul oh wait, i might be thinking uwsgi though
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AngeloGladding which?
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KevinMarks_ https://github.com/ChristopherA/LifeWithAlacrityBlog/blob/master/makerelative.py
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KevinMarks_ Then invoking it like https://github.com/ChristopherA/LifeWithAlacrityBlog/blob/master/mung.py
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KevinMarks_ We should maybe be in dev
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Loqi yea
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AngeloGladding i saw that on the webchat.. is it really just #dev?
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rascul #indieweb-dev
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AngeloGladding ah
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AngeloGladding while i'm at it.. this is #indieweb and #indiewebcamp is deprecated?
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KartikPrabhu yes, but #indiewebcamp should redirect you here
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rascul #indiewebcamp appears to forward to here now
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AngeloGladding it clearly has but i'm reconfiging weechat now so might as well
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AngeloGladding thnx
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AngeloGladding brb
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AngeloGladding *sigh* crossed my fingers that'd just work
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AngeloGladding k got it.. continue in indieweb-dev?
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AngeloGladding !tell KevinMarks for yet to be determined reasons mf2py+mf2util isn't finding your representative h-card like it is for these guys: https://angelo.lahacker.net/people
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jboy !tell Zegnat regarding an Amsterdam meetup, perhaps we could reach out to the Waag to host something.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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petermolnar !tell rascul I like your bash generator, but it's a little too minimal for my needs :) (no feeds, no taxonomy pages, etc.)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@derhess A post http://blog.derhess.de/2016/08/12/the-current-state-of-web-needs-a-counter-culture/ about why we should use @SandstormIO @MyCozyCloud and other #decentralize @indiewebcamp, and @unhosted tools (twitter.com/_/status/765497730840064000)
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@cmal_PP So @LinkedIn is suing people taking data from their website. GO DIE IN A CORNER. #Indieweb #FuckBusiness https://techcrunch.com/2016/08/15/linkedin-sues-scrapers/ (twitter.com/_/status/765523841460293632)
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aaronpk Micropub CR draft published today! https://www.w3.org/TR/micropub/
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Micropub
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snarfed aaronpk++ awesome!
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snarfed huge step
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cmal aaronpk++
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@cmal_PP #Micropub standard publication #API just became a W3 CANDIDATE RECOMMENDATION. Implement it today! https://www.w3.org/TR/micropub/ #Indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/765559198713257992)
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@cmal_PP L'#API standard de publication #Micropub devient CANDIDATE RECOMMENDATION. Implémentez dès aujourd'hui! #Indieweb https://twitter.com/cmal_PP/status/765559198713257992 (twitter.com/_/status/765559498903789568)
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rascul petermolnar wouldn't be hard to add that stuff, but you've probably gotta be a bit crazy to use that bash generator instead of something else heh
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Loqi rascul: petermolnar left you a message 4 hours, 50 minutes ago: I like your bash generator, but it's a little too minimal for my needs :) (no feeds, no taxonomy pages, etc.)
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petermolnar just a little; there is also sed and awk :D
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rascul the feeds could probably be done with a template and the built in bash scripting ability
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petermolnar that would certainly add to the crazy factor
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Loqi [indieweb] " @botwikidotorg about moderation: I have 2 implementations going on, one at @buzzworkers using Wordpress, another at @EUwatchers using wordpress & my own personal using @WithKnown. - on my personal site (here) I have never faced serious Spam. sometimes occasional "paper.li" auto-generated tweets but that&#039;s about the most serious I have gotten here. right now Known does not have yet a way to moderate spam, but there is an Akismet plugin for Known installed here just in case webmentions spam is going to take off. - Now on the wordpress indieweb sites I run I have seen more "spam" then Known. first the typical linkback kind of spam but also social media spam and the usual wordpress comments kind of spam. the IndieWeb implementation on Wordpress is good regarding moderation, basically webmentions are like any comments: they can be moderated before publish or can be configured to be automatically displayed. right now to my experience on these WP implementations the biggest vector of Spam is classic wordpress spam, not specifically webmentions spam. " by Rick Mendes on 2016-08-16 https://www.rmendes.net/2016/botwikidotorg-about-moderation-i-have-2-implementations-going-on-one
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Loqi [indieweb] " @botwikidotorg about moderation: I have 2 implementations going on, one at @buzzworkers using Wordpress, another at @EUwatchers using wordpress & my own personal using @WithKnown. - on my personal site (here) I have never faced serious Spam. sometimes occasional "paper.li" auto-generated tweets but that&#039;s about the most serious I have gotten here. right now Known does not have yet a way to moderate spam, but there is an Akismet plugin for Known installed here just in case webmentions spam is going to take off. - Now on the wordpress indieweb sites I run I have seen more "spam" then Known. first the typical linkback kind of spam but also social media spam and the usual wordpress comments kind of spam. the IndieWeb implementation on Wordpress is good regarding moderation, basically webmentions are like any comments: they can be moderated before publish or can be configured to be automatically displayed. right now to my experience on these WP implementations the biggest vector of Spam is classic wordpress spam, not specifically webmentions spam. " by Rick Mendes on 2016-08-16 https://www.rmendes.net/2016/botwikidotorg-about-moderation-i-have-2-implementations-going-on-one
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petermolnar Loqi, what are you doing?
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[kevinmarks] Being ironic by spamming us with posts about anti spam
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Loqi [kevinmarks]: AngeloGladding left you a message 7 hours, 13 minutes ago: for yet to be determined reasons mf2py+mf2util isn't finding your representative h-card like it is for these guys: https://angelo.lahacker.net/people
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rascul petermolnar here's an example of the bash script inside the template, this piece is used to list the posts https://github.com/rascul/bashgen/blob/master/templates/%40.html#L56-L72
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aaronpk not sure why that one appeared twice
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rascul Loqi just wanted to make sure we saw it
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aaronpk thanks loqi
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Loqi you're welcome, aaronpk
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rascul is there much webmention spam in general?
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aaronpk not yet
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petermolnar we once thought we've seen the first genuine webmention spam, but it was false alarm
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petermolnar unless it has happened since
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GWG That is the concern if we convinced WordPress to include Webmention, it would almost certainly come quickly.
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ben_thatmustbeme has been tempted to generate his own webmention spam on an off domain to see how people react. hehe
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aaronpk we need more people to try out implementing vouch
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aaronpk or anything else, but vouch is the most baked anti-spam idea right now
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rascul remembers the whiteboard scribbling that led to vouch
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ben_thatmustbeme remembers implementing vouch that day
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petermolnar or when we receive a spam, we collectively spam it back thus ddosing the spammer and taking it down. Now that I've written it down, I'm not convinced.
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GWG aaronpk: Well, I needed a break from my stall on Bridgy Publish meets Micropub work, so I have been looking at that experimental Webmention code I was working on. I wanted to trial some moderation and spam assistance. Maybe I'll trial vouch in that.
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aaronpk petermolnar: lol!
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petermolnar vouch is on my list of todos as well
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Zegnat !tell jboy do you know anyone at Waag? I was tempted to just pick random meet-up place. I know the big landmarks, and I know central station like the back of my hand, but otherwise no real ties with A’dam.
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Loqi Zegnat: jboy left you a message 7 hours, 35 minutes ago: regarding an Amsterdam meetup, perhaps we could reach out to the Waag to host something.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jboy Zegnat: I know two people that are tight with the hacker scene around here, but have few direct ties. Getting the Waag shouldn't be too difficult and might be a nice way to tap into existing communities. On the other hand, random meetup has advantage of less overhead.
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Loqi jboy: Zegnat left you a message 1 minute ago: do you know anyone at Waag? I was tempted to just pick random meet-up place. I know the big landmarks, and I know central station like the back of my hand, but otherwise no real ties with A’dam.
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petermolnar Zegnat I've never been to Waag, but could work for me, as it's rather close to Central
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jboy Yes, Nieuwmarkt is just a short walk. (As are most distances within Amsterdam.)
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Zegnat Amsterdam is fairly tourist friendly, so walking is often not a problem. Which is good, because I too would be coming from central train station
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jboy OK, I'll reach out to my friends with the Waag connection and see what they have to say. If it sounds too complicated, we move on the plan B. Yes?
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Zegnat Sounds good.
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Zegnat When will you be in Amsterdam, petermolnar?
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petermolnar next week, but I'm only available on Tue evening as far as I see
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petermolnar after that in ~3 weeks
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jboy I'm out of town next week.
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Zegnat It would be nice to line it up with the actual /HWC schedule
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jboy But three weeks would be enough time to plan something for sure. Maybe even generate a modicum of publicity.
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Zegnat Three weeks would put us out of sync with the other clubs, I think? /HWC dates: 08-17 (tomorrow), 08-24 (in 2 weeks), 09-07 (in 4 weeks).
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Zegnat I do not mind, but something to consider.
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voxpelli aaronpk++ for Micropub CR draft, yay!
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Loqi aaronpk has 1096 karma (418 in this channel)
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Loqi woot
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j12t UBOS Beta 8 is out: http://ubos.net/blog/2016/08/12/ubos-beta8-available.html
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aaronpk j12t: nice!
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j12t Two broken filesystems on build machines and two days later than expected :-)
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jboy petermolnar: Would either of Aug 24 or Sept 7 work for you in A'dam?
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petermolnar sept 7 -can't tell yet; aug 24 unfortunately not
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jboy OK, so we'll aim for sometime after Aug 24, possibly at the Waag.
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KartikPrabhu what is UBOS?
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Loqi UBOS (pronounced You-Boss) is a new Linux distro that aims to make it much simpler to deploy server-side web applications on headless hardware owned by users https://indieweb.org/UBOS
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j12t Hmm, should update that description slightly.
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j12t what is UBOS now?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "UBOS now" yet. Would you like to create it?
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j12t Hmm. Oh, fine.
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j12t What is UBOS?
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Loqi UBOS (pronounced You-Boss) is a new Linux distro that makes it much simpler to install and maintain indie web and IoT applications on physical servers, cloud servers and devices such as as the Raspberry Pi https://indieweb.org/UBOS
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gRegorLove Good morning, indieweb
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j12t Just changed the SSL cert of my site from Comodo to Letsencrypt. Firefox reload page still showed the old cert info. Restarting fixed it. Duh.
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@strugee2 @dym_cx @aaronpk @anildash I'm on the IndieWeb but don't have POSSE and friends working yet (twitter.com/_/status/765624713381023744)
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davidpeach hi guys
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davidpeach been off the indieweb grid for a while but i am back!
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davidpeach and it feels good
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aaronpk welcome back!
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davidpeach ty ty
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davidpeach decided to move back to wordpress as I was publishing less and tinkering with my site's code too much
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davidpeach hope you guys and gals are well
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@lynncyrin WTB decentralized alternative to linkedin @kevinmarks / @indiewebcamp got one of those? (twitter.com/_/status/765653558712635393)
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[kevinmarks] Hm. What is the essence of linked in though
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@kevinmarks @lynncyrin @indiewebcamp which aspects of LinkedIn do you want to replicate? With h-resume and rel="colleague" could decentralize the graph (twitter.com/_/status/765655677431799808)
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aaronpk for me, it's a nicer looking resume than what i have on my site
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aaronpk and I often look up people on it to find out about their past jobs/schools
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[kevinmarks] They do have verified emails from previous employers
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davidpeach oh my gosh... https://wordpress.org/plugins/import-tweets-as-posts
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gRegorLove Hey davidpeach, wb. Love your new domain name.
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davidpeach thank you
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davidpeach i wrote up the meaning on my indieweb profile just
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gRegorLove Yeah, that's how I found out
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davidpeach I cant believe how easy it was to get up and running with the indieweb plugin on WP. so great.
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gRegorLove We have a new room since you were last here, probably: #indieweb-dev
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davidpeach ahh
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gRegorLove For more dev-related talk. All the wiki edits go in there.
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davidpeach ahhh
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davidpeach cool
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gRegorLove We're also at indieweb.org instead of indiewebcamp.com now, as you probably noticed :)
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gRegorLove and and, new logo. Lots of cool stuff.
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gRegorLove That's good to hear about the Indieweb plugin. I'm sure GWG will be glad to have more WordPress people on board.
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davidpeach yer thats sort of what inspired me to get back indiewebified. Also signed up for the Brighton web camp
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davidpeach that and hearing Jeremy Keith's Talk on the 'A' element
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gRegorLove Nice!
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gRegorLove I like the numbered links on the side of your site and the colors. Do they represent the age, or different types of posts?
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davidpeach they are differening categories
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davidpeach secret: I bought the theme. (Not sort of thing a web dev may like to admit)
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AngeloGladding hey davidpeach fyi your h-card needs an explicit `name` or the whole of the inner text is implied: http://indiewebify.me/validate-h-card/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fchegalabonga.com
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sknebel for stuff like linkedIn part of the value is also that everything looks the same. Even if many people have their resume on their site, you still have to go to their page, find where it is linked, find how it is structured, unless there is a dedicated "search engine"/crawler/reader for encoded microformats (assuming those were widely used)
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davidpeach hi AngeloGladding. How do you mean? Its only asking for eamil and photo?
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davidpeach *email
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aaronpk sknebel: agreed! but that's definitely something microformats and more search/aggregators/browsers can solve
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davidpeach currently got twitter history importing into site. It feels sooo good
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davidpeach For notes, is it usual to have title or content as the tweet? - https://chegalabonga.com/2016/08/15/thenoblegaming-so-is-the-game-good-then/
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Loqi [David Peach] @TheNobleGaming so is the game good then? Aug 15 2016 Browse archives for August 15, 2016 https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/e3dd0c45e2578b39037c1913435f28ac?s=70&d=mm&r=g ...
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davidpeach the importer is adding as both currently
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gRegorLove notes don't usually have a title. That would make it an article for most cases.
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gRegorLove In mf2 terms, note is where p-name = e-content
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gRegorLove Re: the h-card, davidpeach, it's implying your name is the full text "Hi my name..." instead of just "David Peach"
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gRegorLove Compare to http://pin13.net/mf2/?id=20160816220422961, where I added the p-name and how it parses
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davidpeach ah oki.
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davidpeach oki updated
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davidpeach thanks
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davidpeach and yer, ill have to run a db query to remove all titles for those notes
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davidpeach this importer is so great. It's even pulling in image links so i can go round and grab them all again. thought id lost em forever
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davidpeach im off for a bit guys. Catchya later!
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davidpeach and thanks a lot for your help all. This is always a really friendly community
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