#indieweb 2016-08-22

2016-08-22 UTC
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GWG
Well, that helps.
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GWG
I just discovered something disturbing though.
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GWG
I created two sites.
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GWG
Mention1 and Mention2.
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GWG
To demonstrate Webmentions.
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GWG
I installed the webmention plugin and the Semantic Linkbacks plugin
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GWG
They are throwing errors.
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GWG
It appears a change in behavior needs a few minor patches.
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GWG
I should test with two independent sites more often.
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GWG
But snarfed may be right.
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GWG
This is why we need unit tests
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snarfed
testing++
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Loqi
testing has 17 karma (15 in this channel)
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GWG
snarfed: That is why I intend to do some unit testing and error logging in Webmentions and More.
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Loqi
gwg has 179 karma (165 in this channel)
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GWG
I invested a lot of time this spring in working on Webmentions. I really want to move it to the point at which it is considered robust enough for greater adoption.
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GWG
Robust being beyond reproach.
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GWG
Which is what would be needed for Core adoptions.
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GWG
tantek: What is still left to figure out for next weekend?
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tantek
what does the planning page say?
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tantek
need to figure out who has signed up vs who we still need to reach out to
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tantek
I think only aaronpk has the tito registration list
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tantek
having everything be just in tito does not scale to multiple organizers trying to distribute tasks, need to figure out a better way
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GWG
tantek: As of now, we haven't found a way to mix the two...a registration system and a guest list.
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aaronpk
this is also demonstrating the advantage of public-only registration
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aaronpk
i've PMd both of you a link to view a CSV of all the registrations
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GWG
aaronpk: Can we sync the ones who consented to the RSVP page somehow?
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aaronpk
it looks like only 3 people clicked "do not show"
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aaronpk
that data is in the CSV
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aaronpk
so you can add people to the guest list from the CSV data
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GWG
aaronpk: The guest list is the 2016.indieweb.org thing. We didn't create an alternative one
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aaronpk
oh we don't have one on the wiki?
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GWG
aaronpk: No. It was changed to...register on site
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tantek
we have a "Projects_List"
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aaronpk
i thought we still had something on the wiki where people could add a little bit about their projects and stuff
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aaronpk
cause the registration page only shows their name
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GWG
I could add it there, I suppose.
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GWG
Correction, I will add it there.
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tantek
yes aaronpk we do, we just renamed it "Projects_List" to make it more clear it is not the official guest list
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GWG
tantek: Oh, by the way, did we figure out who is going to get refreshments?
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tantek
Is there someway on Tito to show the people with only tickets (no indie RSVP) in a new section below the indie RSVPs?
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tantek
GWG, I asked Emma to figure out sponsors for food and I think she's going to be asking aaronpk about budget and #s
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tantek
food is best handled by an onsite organizer
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aaronpk
i could make 2016.indieweb.org/nyc2 pull in that CSV if that's what you mean
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GWG
aaronpk: If you could. I'll add the names to the Project List
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tantek
that would be great!
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tantek
that way people also get the positive feedback of seeing themselves after they register
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tantek
people like seeing their name show up on a site
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aaronpk
i should have time for that tomorrow
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Loqi
it is probable
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tantek
hah I'm seeing duplicate registrations
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tantek
which figures because people go to the page and can't tell if they're signed up or not
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aaronpk
wow yeah, a month apart
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GWG
Names on list
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tantek
gwg how many dupes did you find?
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GWG
Only 2
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tantek
ok cool
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GWG
It should be a nice crowd.
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GWG
I could use it.
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East Coast friends: In Boston/Cambridge tomorrow for @W3CAB, Then NYC Th-M for @IndieWebCamp! http:///nyc2 (ttk.me t4iu2)
(twitter.com/_/status/767556354374459392)
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GWG
tantek: Going to Cambridge? Fun.
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tantek
yes - fun/busy
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tantek
going to be hard to have time to do anything indieweb during the next 48-72 hours
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GWG
I sympathize. I'm facing a mutiny.
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seekr
Is Loqi a bit? If not - what's W3CAB? I live next door to Cambridge and wanna know what's happening.
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seekr
*a bot
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GWG
seekr: Loqi is a bot.
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GWG
W3CAB is the W3C Advisory Board
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seekr
oh - what's W3CAB?
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seekr
ok - not a public event, then
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seekr
attended the W3 Conference in Boston in '95.
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AngeloGladding
seekr have you been here before? what brings you to the indieweb?
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seekr
I somehow got involved a bit over a year ago when there was an event happening in the UK.
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seekr
I like the principles of the organisation, but don't know if I have the skill or time to get involved in the way I might like.
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seekr
I have been away from IRC for the past year. I had some chats with some of the folks here a year ago and felt good about the interactions.
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AngeloGladding
cool -- I think providing a constructive opinion in the chat here is productive involvement
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seekr
very kind of you to say so
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AngeloGladding
what is your experience?
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seekr
Well, I have a CS degree, from long ago. Have done coding in PHP and Perl.
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seekr
I'd like to figure out what I want to do next - what direction to go. I like idealistic sorts of causes, which is what indieweb sounds like to me.
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AngeloGladding
yeah I believe the indieweb embodies the fundamental principles of the world wide web more than any other collaboration outside of the W3C
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AngeloGladding
have you read http://indieweb.org/Getting_Started
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AngeloGladding
?
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seekr
I'm fairly anti-corporation, and like the idea of the independence I find in your founding principles.
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seekr
haven't read it - or don't recall if I did - will take a look
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AngeloGladding
i'm no official representative but i've been following along for a while and can certainly offer any assistance in the absence of others
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seekr
great - thanks much!
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seekr
I made contact a year ago here with someone who works across the river from where I live, and we had an agreement in principle to meet up some day.
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seekr
Maybe I should dig up the info and give him a poke.
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AngeloGladding
indieweb.org contains a wiki with a vast base of knowledge on creating and owning a personal identity independent of large organizations
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AngeloGladding
but also synergetic while they maintain a large user base
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AngeloGladding
no rivers around me so I take it you're not in LA
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seekr
great - are there those who share my strong bias against facebook, google and the other corporate behemoths that do who-knows-what with personal info and may become part of the surveilance state, or is that a separate issue to you folks?
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seekr
not in LA (Louisiana or Los Angeles?)
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tantek
seekr, we prefer to emphasize a strong bias *for* owning your own own data, permalinks etc.
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tantek
if that happens to help liberate you from silos etc., then great, but that's not a requirement and certainly not a focus
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seekr
thanks, tantek - think I remember some interactions I had with you a year ago.
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tantek
seekr, the key is that we seek to focus on positive motivations as those tend to be constructively sustainable
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tantek
(stuff gets built, you use it, you build some more, you empower yourself etc.)
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seekr
I'm all for that idea.
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tantek
!tell adactio,Jeena,aaronpk can you confirm a venue for your HWC this week? https://indieweb.org/events/2016-08-24-homebrew-website-club#Where
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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AngeloGladding
seekr Los Angeles and yes I'm possibly more "anti-corp" than some on here and see the indieweb principles and technology as liberating but it is by no means a defining component of an independent web
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AngeloGladding
with the indieweb you can have your cake and eat it too..
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seekr
Ah, AngeloGladding - I'm originally from the SF Bay Area, but now living across the river from Boston.
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AngeloGladding
own your data and maintain independence while engaging with every social contact in your life regardless of their degree of "anti-corp"
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seekr
I'm just reading the "Getting Started" article now - think I did look at it a year ago, but it's good to refresh my memory.
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AngeloGladding
do you have a website?
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seekr
well, I do have a domain - and have set up info in a variety of subdomains to share info with friends
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seekr
There's nothing on the home page, tho.
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seekr
I do plan to create a site soon - looking at Joomla! as the base.
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seekr
That site will be for a special (anti-corporate, in a way) purpose.
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seekr
I do help to maintain another site - wrote software to produce pages for it on a weekly basis.
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AngeloGladding
what is indiewebify?
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Loqi
Indiewebify.me is a service that checks how "indie web" your site is and reports back its results https://indieweb.org/indiewebify
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seekr
I'm curious about the "Home Server" idea I'm reading about on the "Getting Started" page.
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seekr
ah - does it scan for third party widgets and such?
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seekr
Oh - sorry - talking to the bot (blush).
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AngeloGladding
Loqi referred to https://indieweb.org/indiewebify to answer that question
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AngeloGladding
i'm going to assume you have some basic HTML knowledge
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seekr
I know that ISPs don't like their home-based customers running sites, I think mine even blocks port 80, but I would like to think about self-hosting, if possible.
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seekr
I learned HTML back in 1995, but haven't kept up with the latest stuff (HTML5, and such).
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seekr
I started learning Javascript - want to get back to it one of these days.
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AngeloGladding
<html><body><p class=h-card><a class=p-url rel=me href=/>seekr</a></p></body></html> will give you a http://microformats.org/wiki/representative-hcard on your domain
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Loqi
representative hCard
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seekr
hmm
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gRegorLove
Hey tantek, welcome back.
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AngeloGladding
self-hosting has its issues
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gRegorLove
And you too, seekr.
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seekr
I assume the classes are defined in an external file. (?)
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seekr
Thanks, gRegorLove.
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gRegorLove
Those classes are microformats
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tantek
thanks gRegorLove
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seekr
don't they have to get defined somewhere?
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AngeloGladding
what are microformats?
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Loqi
microformats are extensions to HTML for marking up people, organizations, events, locations, blog posts, products, reviews, resumes, recipes etc https://indieweb.org/microformats
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AngeloGladding
just class names
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seekr
oh - they're built-in reserved thingees, I guess.
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AngeloGladding
structured according to microformats specifications
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gRegorLove
The prefixes like p- u- etc. inform the parser how to extract the information.
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AngeloGladding
correct, purely semantic
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seekr
ok
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AngeloGladding
the code I provided you is an h-card which represents people, places and organizatios
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gRegorLove
pin13.net is an example of teh PHP microformats parser. Here it is parsing my homepage: http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=gregorlove.com
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seekr
it looks like a complete web page - where do you use it?
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gRegorLove
There's parsers in multiple programming languages
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seekr
yeah - I learned how to write parsers (at least simple ones) a long time ago :)
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AngeloGladding
well it depends exactly how you're hosting it
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AngeloGladding
which sounds important to you
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AngeloGladding
*the details of which
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seekr
well, if it's possible to do self-hosting without a lot of bother, I'd like to give it a go, though I do have an account with a web hosting company (whose service has declined drastically in the past year :( )
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tantek
seekr, there's many more options now
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tantek
what is static hosting?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "static hosting" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek
what is github pages?
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Loqi
GitHub Pages is a static content hosting service https://indieweb.org/github-pages
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tantek
there we go
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seekr
oh - I see tantek is poking Loqi - I'm a bit slow tonight :)
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gRegorLove
What is static site?
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Loqi
A static site is a website that is served by a web server directly from the file system https://indieweb.org/static-site
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seekr
can one use a CMS in such a setup?
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tantek
seekr see ^^^ static_site_generator
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seekr
wait a sec - aren't all sites served directly from a file system?
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gRegorLove
seekr: Certainly. There's a variety of ways to publish on the indieweb, not about using one piece of software (see /monoculture)
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seekr
ok
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tantek
seekr no, there are actually sites served from a *database* (gasp) I know ;)
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AngeloGladding
a "static generator" is probably not generally considered to be the same as a "CMS" but can technically be one
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AngeloGladding
joomla would not be a static generator
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seekr
yeah - CMSes use a database to store content
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seekr
Joomla! and Drupal use MySQL.
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gRegorLove
Several here use WordPress, also MySQL.
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gRegorLove
I use ProcessWire, also MySQL
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seekr
Though I s'pose they can be configured to use other DBMSes.
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seekr
I think that Joomla! and Drupal and Plone are more powerful than WordPress, though I know that WP has evolved a lot in recent years.
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AngeloGladding
the conduit is entirely up to you. I provided you with the entire contents of a text file that you could upload to `index.html` in a web server's root.
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gRegorLove
Sure. Whatever makes it easiest for you to publish on your own site.
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seekr
ok - I can give it a go, AngeloGladding - just a sec...
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AngeloGladding
you can have a script generate a more complex version of that site for you on demand or on a regular basis or you can have a dynamic script that generates on the fly per request -- and everything in between
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AngeloGladding
sure if you have access to a web server's root give it a whirl
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gRegorLove
seekr: See this page, too. If you add rel-me links to the index.html, you'll be able to sign into the indieweb.org wiki. https://indieweb.org/How_to_set_up_web_sign-in_on_your_own_domain
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seekr
right - I'll get back to you in a few mins - after doing a setup to see how this all works.
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seekr
gRegorLove: will also look at https://processwire.com/demo/
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[kevinmarks]
Tantek, can you do a pop-up hwc in Boston, or are you flying Wednesday night?
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tantek
I'm flying wednesday night from BOS->NYC
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seekr
OK, AngeloGladding (et. al.) - I set up http://hcard.webruary.org/
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seekr
I assume there's a bit more to it - gotta add some more info to make it a meaningful exercise.
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seekr
hey tantek - mebbe we can get together when you're in town?
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tantek
seekr, which town?
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seekr
Boston
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seekr
I live in Somerville, next to Cambridge.
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tantek
flying in late Monday, W3CAB meetings all day TW and flying out W night I'm afraid
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seekr
ok - understood - was a thought, at least :)
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tantek
yes usually I like to stay in Cambridge a few extra days, not this time unfortunately
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seekr
perhaps next time, then
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seekr
anyway, I'm gonna have to do some reading to figger out what to do with this hCard thing.
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seekr
AngeloGladding: Is the idea that the 'rel="me"' thing causes what's in the 'href=' bit to get parsed and what comes after the domain name to get fed to the login mechanism of the targeted site?
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AngeloGladding
i'm back
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seekr
wb
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KartikPrabhu
seekr: the entire href is used for the login
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seekr
hmm
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seekr
I'm looking at item (1) on the "how to set up web sign-in" page...
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seekr
I'm seeing what look lilke user-IDs ("aaronpk") following the domain name - does the site itself (e.g. "twitter.com") pick the user-ID out of the URL?
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KartikPrabhu
seekr: you need not worry about what parts of the URL are used internally. You only need your Twitter URL
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seekr
I just tried https://twitter.com/aaronpk - and got Aaron's page.
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AngeloGladding
so if you want to use webruary.org to sign in to an indiewebsite using indieauth i'd recommend putting your hcard on webruary.org
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seekr
well, I sorta did - as a test, at least
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seekr
lemme try something...
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AngeloGladding
what is rel-me
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Loqi
Using rel=me on a hyperlink indicates that its destination represents the same person or entity as the current page, which is a key building-block of web-sign-in and IndieAuth https://indieweb.org/rel%3Dme
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AngeloGladding
by `rel=me`ing href="/" you're saying on http://hcard.webruary.org/ that http://hcard.webruary.org/ is the person "seekr"
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seekr
I used <a class=p-url rel=me href="https://twitter.com/aaronpk">aaron</a> on the hcard page I created - still get to Aaron's page.
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seekr
Is that what we want? I thought maybe it would go to a login prompt or some such.
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tantek
but that's not you
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KartikPrabhu
yes because you are using aaronpk's twitter account
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tantek
you need to use your own profile URL on whatever services you use
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seekr
true - I'm just playing make-believe using a real person
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AngeloGladding
won't get you very far
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seekr
How does the web server know who I am?
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KartikPrabhu
i don't understand. what is the gial here?
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tantek
why bother? why not use real URLs seekr?
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seekr
I'm just trying to follow what AngeloGladding is trying to teach me.
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KartikPrabhu
seekr: it will simply redirect you to your own Twitter
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KartikPrabhu
and use Twitter's login
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seekr
Well, maybe if I just read through all those pages it will all become clear to me - now it's all a muddle.
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AngeloGladding
try adding an email <a class=u-email href=mailto:foo@bar.com>foo@bar.com</a>
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seekr
ok
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AngeloGladding
and i'm sorry i gave you bad code to begin with
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tantek
seekr, you may be reading too much, just start with "Getting Started"
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AngeloGladding
u-url instead of p-url
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seekr
that's what I started to do, tantek
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AngeloGladding
seekr if you see the second example on http://microformats.org/wiki/h-card you'll have a better guide
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Loqi
h-card
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seekr
I updated http://hcard.webruary.org/ - but the link just opens a Thunderbird window as it would do if I didn't use the "u-email" think, right?
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AngeloGladding
if you incorporate an email in your h-card you'll be able to use it with indieauth
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KartikPrabhu
seekr: AngeloGladding: what is the goal here? to set up web-login?
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AngeloGladding
i believe "Become a citizen of the IndieWeb"
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KartikPrabhu
AngeloGladding: too general. what's the immediate goal?
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tantek
if Getting Started is not obvious/clear enough, we should improve it
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: ^^^
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tantek
that's the goal
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tantek
Getting Started on the indieweb
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: yes. which is why I am trying to get to what the hiccup is at the moment
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seekr
We can't fault that document yet - I've only skimmed it, trying to follow the example - now reading the microformats.org page
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KartikPrabhu
seekr: the aim for that page is to give a step by step guide. If it is failing then it should be improved
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seekr
What's expanding the HTML to JSON? The server, I suppose.
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KartikPrabhu
seekr: I think you are trying to do too much here
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seekr
I'm only trying to understand what's going on.
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KartikPrabhu
a microformats parser parses the HTML to get "data" from it
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seekr
Seems that these "p-" things are special reserved classes that the server knows about without the need for them to be explicitly defined.
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tantek
seekr, what specifically are you trying to understand?
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tantek
there's lots going on ;)
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seekr
I'm trying to understand what AngeloGladding is trying to lead me toward understanding, I think, tantek.
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AngeloGladding
http://microformats.org/wiki/h-card is a standard defining the h-card classes
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Loqi
h-card
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AngeloGladding
it gives meaning to u-url and p-name
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KartikPrabhu
I am very very confused
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tantek
AngeloGladding: however that is diving into a plumbing discussion, and that's not a useful way to introduce people to the indieweb
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AngeloGladding
seekr entered the chat by advertising having been to a w3c conf in '95
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seekr
me too, KartikPrabhu, but I think if you keep asking questions, it just adds to the communications burden between me and AngeloGladding. I hope you understand that much. :)
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AngeloGladding
so i've made a few assumptions
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tantek
no, a *w3* conf
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AngeloGladding
sorry
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tantek
which is not w3c
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tantek
it is unfortunately confusing
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seekr
right W3 '95
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KartikPrabhu
seekr: ok I'll stop
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seekr
W3C was one of the sponsors, though
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tantek
regardless of one's technical background, it's always best to start with a user-centric introduction
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seekr
thanks, KartikPrabhu
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AngeloGladding
yeah tantek KartikPrabhu introduced my to the concept of /plumbing and why i should consider keeping it at least out of #indieweb proper
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seekr
It's looking to me as if one would want to create a page for visitors to one's site containing the hCard - it gets populated with standard elements, each of which is represented by a link that takes someone somewhere appropriate.
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seekr
I can do all the above without these "p-" things, so there's something I'm still missing - guess they make it all easier somehow.
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AngeloGladding
seekr tantek and kartikprabhu are admins here and they are guiding you in a more feature focused manner
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AngeloGladding
i'm skipping steps
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seekr
I tend to work from basic concepts upwards.
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KartikPrabhu
AngeloGladding: I am not an admin, but I am also not a programmer
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AngeloGladding
explicitly defining what the data on your HTML page *means* allows consuming tools/services to do something with the data
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seekr
I like to understand the mechanism as part of groking what functions are being provided.
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seekr
So is something other than sentient critters looking at this stuff? Like search engines, maybe?
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KartikPrabhu
seekr: all of this depends on what you wish to do with your website. The rel-me stuff is so that you can login using indieauth into other websites for example the indieweb wiki
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seekr
That login bit is what's throwing me - that word indicates this is something I do for my benefit, rather than that of visitors to my site.
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KartikPrabhu
seekr: microformats are parsed for a lot of reasons. Including indieauth, or other websites to display comments and responses from external sites
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KartikPrabhu
seekr: yes, it is for your benefit. to use your website as your primary identity
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seekr
Well, I think I'd be best off to take up this subject later on, poking through the pages, y'all have kindly provided me, and I expect it will all become clear. Thanks for providing the incentive!
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AngeloGladding
so if you successfully create an h-card with a rel=me to an external service you can use your website to log in to the indieweb wiki
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AngeloGladding
that's a first step
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AngeloGladding
it gives you immediate feedback about how and why
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seekr
That's not what I meant, KartikPrabhu - by "benefit" I mean that I use the page to get to a login page on a site, which I think is not what this thing is for.
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seekr
OK - that's enough info for now. I will look at this stuff in the next few days, and will be able to have a more intelligent chat with you folks.
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AngeloGladding
that's the indieweb wiki's login form
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AngeloGladding
if you set up your website properly you can use "http://webruary.org/" to log in to that site
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seekr
I'll capture all these URLs and will poke through the pages they represent ASAP. Thanks again.
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seekr
to which site?
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AngeloGladding
to log in to that wiki
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AngeloGladding
or any other site that supports "indieauth"
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AngeloGladding
there are various services out there that allow you to log in to their site using your site
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seekr
not sure why I'd want to do so, rather than just using a bookmark or some such, but, as I said, I'm sure it will all become clear once I've had a chance to read and think and experiment
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AngeloGladding
wyeah
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seekr
I appreciate the gracious welcome, and do plan to see what I can do to see if I can become part of this family.
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AngeloGladding
read a bit, come back and someone will try to answer your question(s)
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AngeloGladding
good luck
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AngeloGladding
sorry luck has nothing to do with it
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AngeloGladding
:)
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seekr
:) thanks again!
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petermolnar
I'm starting to re-evaluate the usefullness of tagging for a post (unless it's an image post with a minor amount of text): most of the keywords are in the text anyway, and search engines index on that. If I'm looing for something, I use regexes, not tags. The only usefullness of tags are manual separation of topics, which leads me back to categories instead of tags yet again. ( Stupid me started to question my best practices a few months
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petermolnar
ago and I'm finding myself in ruins, questioning nearly everything I'm doing with my site lately. )
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KartikPrabhu
petermolnar: what's the difference between categories and tags?
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petermolnar
category is usually titled as taxonomy whereas tags are titled folksonony
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KartikPrabhu
i don't know what that means
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petermolnar
for me, a post can only have one category, but manytags
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cmal
getting torn to pieces in comments on LinuxFR over the fact I'm using non-sexist language. The most voted up comment so far claims my translation of an article in English is highly infidel, because I used gender-neutral forms, and « gendered pronouns in English do not exist » ← this macho dude sure know a lot :)
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cmal
good morning, Indieweb :)
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petermolnar
cmal, I'm happy to talk about the linguistics on #indiechat
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petermolnar
but not here
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Cool ! my #indieweb bookmarks now display target image, sounds like @medium links now display correct #opengraph image :)" by Rick Mendes on 2016-08-21 https://rmendes.net/2016/08/21/cool-my-indieweb-bookmarks-now-display-target-image-sounds-like
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GWG
Good day all.
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tantek
Good day GWG!
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tantek
I will be on your coast soon
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aaronpk
hmm where is kylewm
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Loqi
aaronpk: tantek left you a message 9 hours, 56 minutes ago: can you confirm a venue for your HWC this week? https://indieweb.org/events/2016-08-24-homebrew-website-club#Where
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GWG
tantek, my coast welcomes you
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GWG
ben_thatmustbeme, you should come down for NYC2
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ben_thatmustbeme
no can do man
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ben_thatmustbeme
sorry to say
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gRegorLove
Good morning, indieweb
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GWG
We'll miss you.s
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aaronpk
morning!
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GWG
Gregorlove, I'd invite you too, but distance.
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Loqi
guten morgen
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gRegorLove
GWG: To NYC2?
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gRegorLove
(Electric Boogaloo)
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GWG
Gregorlove, yes.
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GWG
Ben, if he was available, could hop a bus for $10
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GWG
Planes are more expensive
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gRegorLove
How many are coming so far, GWG?
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gkbrk
there's a meetup?
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gRegorLove
When is NYC2?
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gRegorLove
What is NYC2?
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gkbrk
Who is NYC2?
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gRegorLove
gkbrk: There's your answer page, though. ^
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gRegorLove
August 27/28
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gRegorLove
Who is gkbrk?
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gRegorLove
Loqi does that based on /irc-people.
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gRegorLove
Who is aaronpk?
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Loqi
Aaron Parecki is the co-founder of IndieWebCamp https://indiewebcamp.com/User:Aaronparecki.com
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gkbrk
oh so if it finds a definition tag it reads it
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gRegorLove
Yeah, he wraps <dfn> in a p-summary microformat and uses that.
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gRegorLove
Alternately you can explicitly wrap text in p-summary and he'll use that.
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gRegorLove
Actually, the wiki wraps the dfn, not Loqi, but you get the idea :)
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KevinMarks1
!tell tantek popup HWC in Boston this wednesday, or are you on plane?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KevinMarks
Erasing the other two founders is a bit off
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KevinMarks
Also, him not finding hwc and other iwc events may be a problem with the single serving site
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aaronpk
well that was quoted from https://indieweb.org/founders
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aaronpk
depends on whether you're talking about indieweb or the first indiewebcamp event i guess
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KevinMarks
Maybe the summit site could add an "event over, check upcoming ones" link at the top
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aaronpk
yeah good idea
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KevinMarks
Right, but he chops out just the middle bit of /founders
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aaronpk
I just created a new page about taglines! I added a few examples of people I found browsing through /irc-people, but feel free to add yourself if I missed you! https://indieweb.org/tagline
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Loqi
[indieweb] "@RikMende I'm curious about your #readlater and #readinglist hashtags. Do you revisit your site with a search for those and change them after you've read" by Chris Aldrich on 2016-08-22 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/rikmende-im-curious-about-your-readlater-and-readinglist-hashtags-do
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@TechLifeWeb
GoldenCheetah Is An Open Source, Private Dashboard for Your Fitness Data | Haven't looked at this closely #indieweb http://lifehacker.com/goldencheetah-is-an-open-source-private-dashboard-for-1785595628
(twitter.com/_/status/767815155849699328)
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KevinMarks1
I added a "how to markup" section to tagline
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aaronpk
interesting, is that based on existing examples?
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KevinMarks1
and unmung maps atom:subtitle to p-summary
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aaronpk
huh. i looked at your page when i was collecting examples
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aaronpk
"Live notes and essays" looked like a section header, not a tagline
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KevinMarks1
true
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aaronpk
also doesn't sound like a tagline
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KevinMarks1
"reading your thoughts, if you write them down first" has been my tagline
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aaronpk
there we go. where's that?
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KevinMarks1
on twitter
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KevinMarks1
though it's in the bio field
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aaronpk
even with the header "tagline"
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aaronpk
i don't think it matters that twitter calls the field "bio". people put non-location stuff in the location field all the time
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KevinMarks1
wow, g+ now has obfuscated classes
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KevinMarks1
people use note in h-card for it too
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plindner
KevinMarks1 - send me details, I may be able to fix
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KevinMarks1
<div class="wna Phb"><div class="Cr">Tagline</div><div class="y4">Reading your thoughts, if you write them down first</div></div>
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KevinMarks1
I think the classes have been minified
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aaronpk
google: every byte counts
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KevinMarks1
plindner the thing that needs fixing is the rel="me" links are intermittent depending on useragent or something
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plindner
This is the new responsive G+ page you’re getting. I’ll talk to the team that broke that compared with the old working version.
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KevinMarks1
which makes g+ less useful for indieauth
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KevinMarks1
at one point profiles had mf markup, but that was several products ago
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KevinMarks1
but breking the rel="me" on the "other profiles" bit is a pain
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KevinMarks1
aaronpk: did you work out when you got which version?
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aaronpk
hm now i don't remember
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plindner
Also if anyone wants any google markup changed let me know. I’ll do my best to make it happen.
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aaronpk
plindner: the main thing would be returning actual html with rel=me on the websites https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth.com/issues/116
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KevinMarks1
with a UA-less curl I seem to get it
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KevinMarks1
ah right, that was the difference
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plindner
This is fixable. Bug filed, will follow up with team.
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aaronpk
wow thanks!
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[emmah]
hey aaronpk - i am trying to organize food for IndieWebCamp NYC this weekend. tantek mentioned that there might be budget remaining from the indie web summit that could be repurposed for this.
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aaronpk
hi! yeah!
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[emmah]
ok, cool. what is the budget? also do you know if we have final number of RSVPs to know how much food will be necessary?
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aaronpk
we have $300 set aside for this
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aaronpk
i'll send you the list of RSVPs so far, it looks like 19 so far i think. can probably expect a few more to rsvp this week, and probably there will be people who rsvp and don't show up
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[emmah]
Woa! 19 - didnt realize there were so many people
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[emmah]
thats great
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aaronpk
yea! tho in the past, our no-show rate has been about 50%
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KevinMarks1
hm, blogger does still have hfeed markup by default, yay
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KevinMarks1
though we shoudl add some backcompat to support title and description mapping to p-name and p-summary
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KevinMarks1
ah, no they aren't inside the hfeed
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KevinMarks1
so it's a blank hfeed with impled name on blogger
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KevinMarks1
though the h-entry is still there
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KevinMarks1
and wordpress has hfeed and some useful default markup, so https://github.com/tommorris/mf2py/pull/74
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KevinMarks1
!tell kylewm this should improve woodwind's h-feeds for wordpress: https://github.com/tommorris/mf2py/pull/74
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KevinMarks1
https://wordpress.com/next/ is fun for this
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KevinMarks1
that was a fun yakshave
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Salt
aaronpk, schedule isn't released yet but I got an IndieWeb 101 talk accepted at SeaGL in November
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aaronpk
oh congrats!
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aaronpk
add it to https://indieweb.org/events when you can!
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tantek
Salt++ congrats!
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Loqi
salt has 3 karma
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Loqi
tantek: KevinMarks1 left you a message 2 hours, 51 minutes ago: popup HWC in Boston this wednesday, or are you on plane?
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tantek
KevinMarks: on plane
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Salt
tantek, thanks, I'll be here closer to the date as I put things together :P
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Salt
aaronpk, will do :)
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KevinMarks
Tantek, do you remember why hfeed/hAtom has no feed level properties except category?
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KevinMarks
Looks like it was split into blog-description and never iterated on
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tantek
that sounds like lack of feature due to apathy, which is a good way to filter out features and trim down a format/spec/format
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tantek
there doesn't need to be a reason why something is missing, that's the default state
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KartikPrabhu
KevinMarks: what feed level properties would you like?
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KevinMarks
The equivalent of p-name and p-summary and maybe author, though that seems to be less common in the wild
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KevinMarks
We have them in h-feed
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KevinMarks
And p-author and p-photo maybe
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KevinMarks
Aaron talking about taglines made me go back and look
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Loqi
[indieweb] "A New Reading Post-type for Bookmarking and Reading Workflow" by Chris Aldrich on 2016-08-22 http://boffosocko.com/2016/08/22/a-new-reading-post-type-for-bookmarking-and-reading-workflow/
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Loqi
[indieweb] "A New Reading Post-type for Bookmarking and Reading Workflow" by ChrisAldrich on 2016-08-22 https://medium.com/boffo-socko/a-new-reading-post-type-for-bookmarking-and-reading-workflow-e7c7f6bac2dc?source=rss----12b80d28f892---4
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Loqi
[indienews] New post: "A New Reading Post-type for Bookmarking and Reading Workflow" http://boffosocko.com/2016/08/22/a-new-reading-post-type-for-bookmarking-and-reading-workflow/
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Loqi
[indieweb] ""A New Reading Post-type for Bookmarking and Reading Workflow" in Boffo Socko" by ChrisAldrich on 2016-08-22 https://medium.com/boffo-socko/a-new-reading-post-type-for-bookmarking-and-reading-workflow-e7c7f6bac2dc?source=rss-f9e3747f5480------2
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aaronpk
whyyy are there so many
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bear
original, medium posting of original, edit, medium posting of edit and then twitter posse
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bear
(just a hunch)
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