#indieweb 2016-08-26

2016-08-26 UTC
#
aaronpk snarfed: didn't realize Google had an API! I found a couple other services tho
tantek joined the channel
#
tantek gRegorLove: I hear you about archive pages https://indieweb.org/Falcon#archives
#
gRegorLove I have some archives, but they're only for articles. This posting activity thing counts articles, notes, and events.
#
gRegorLove So still need to reconsider some of that.
chrisaldrich1 joined the channel
#
Loqi [indienews] New post: "Homebrew Website Club 2016-08-24" http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2016-08-24.html
#
Loqi [indieweb] "My Indieweb swag arrived!" by Chris Aldrich on 2016-08-25 http://boffosocko.com/2016/08/25/my-indieweb-swag-arrived/
#
@ChrisAldrich My #indieweb swag arrived! http://boffosocko.com/2016/08/25/my-indieweb-swag-arrived/ #microformats https://twitter.com/ChrisAldrich/status/768971644370952192/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/768971644370952192)
snarfed joined the channel
#
tantek rhiaro - that counts! Similar to how Dan Gillmor quit FB: https://indieweb.org/silo-quits#Dan_Gillmor - add yourself!
leg joined the channel
#
tantek goes to edit KevinMarks post for typos
[number5] joined the channel
#
[number5] ^ this IRC emote looks funny (or broken?)
#
tantek !tell KevinMarks fixed a few typos in your HWC 2016-08-24 notes - thanks much for taking / posting! https://github.com/kevinmarks/kevin-marks.com/pull/6
#
Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
snarfed1, thebaer, KevinMarks, pl_, chrisaldrich_, KartikPrabhu and tantek joined the channel
#
GWG Evening
#
Loqi GWG: tantek left you a message 3 hours, 32 minutes ago: I just checked out the Dalberg space, and took some photos. I can probably answer any further questions you have.
#
GWG tantek: What do you think?
#
tantek It's really nice!
#
tantek I'm going to need to pick up some sticky notes from a local supply store tomorrow, and we could use a VGA-mini-DVI adapter (but I think Emma will take care of that tomorrow)
#
GWG They only have VGA?
wolftune joined the channel
#
Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2016-08-26.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
wolftune, tantek, Loqi_, lmorchard23, Ruxton and snarfed joined the channel
#
tantek GWG yes
#
tantek GWG, how are we on remote participation?
#
miklb I believe he said he a several extra old laptops for streaming, was just working out how to stream multiple rooms
#
GWG That is correct.
arlen and shiflett joined the channel
#
AngeloGladding tantek curious why you've chosen to go to the route of a self-signed cert what with letsencrypt and all?
#
tantek AngeloGladding: it was a stopgap only for my own posting UI - I don't use public https links -
#
tantek AngeloGladding: curious where did you encounter it?
#
tantek (I don't use public https links to my own site, yet)
#
rascul i encountered it at one point because i tend to try https:// whenever i see http://
#
tantek just typing into the URL bar manually?
#
rascul yes
#
tantek rascul btw looks like your /irc-people image might be broken: https://chat.indieweb.org/2016-08-26/1472183931639000
#
Loqi [rascul] yes
#
rascul oh noes!
#
rascul oh that's because it's still trying to grab it from rascul.io instead of rascul.xyz
#
AngeloGladding in building my personal social network for /reader and contact (writer) purposes i'm creating a simple UI that accepts a protocol-less URI that tries https first and falls back to http
#
AngeloGladding https://angelo.lahacker.net
#
Loqi Angelo Gladding
#
AngeloGladding https://angelo.lahacker.net/people
#
AngeloGladding ^^
#
AngeloGladding my python `requests` library bonks on your unverifiable cert
#
rascul it's updated here though https://indieweb.org/IRC_People and here https://indieweb.org/Template:rascul
#
tantek interesting!
#
AngeloGladding but it got me to thinking
#
AngeloGladding maybe personal self-signed certs are ok
#
AngeloGladding and certainly easier to implement than letsencrypt
#
tantek true
#
AngeloGladding **i'm about to automate https in my deploy script
#
rascul i find let's encrypt easier
#
rascul just one command with simple options instead of a few weird openssl commands
#
AngeloGladding i just rush implemented LE a couple days ago and it was frustrating on a non-root shared server
#
rascul several free options though https://indieweb.org/TLS#Obtain
#
rascul AngeloGladding it can be at first
#
rascul there are also tools such as https://zerossl.com/free-ssl/#crt
#
tantek AngeloGladding: if you can figure out a way to store and depend on people's own self-signed certs that would be a major breakthrough
#
AngeloGladding yeah that's what it got me to thinking
#
AngeloGladding just another UI hoop really
#
AngeloGladding unless i'm missing something obvious
#
rascul self signed still means encrypted though
#
tantek right
#
rascul it's just me telling you i'm rascul instead of somebody else telling you i'm rascul
#
tantek AngeloGladding: the only challenge is the setup - the first time you get the self-signed cert, you have no idea if it's real or spoofed
#
AngeloGladding not too up on TLS but isn't the problem that a MITM could self-sign their own and you wouldn't have any real way of knowing?
#
AngeloGladding right, so pinning?
#
tantek AngeloGladding: or you do your own "pinning" in your Python code
#
tantek where you only allow someone to have *one* self-signed cert *ever* (except for expirations obv)
#
AngeloGladding ahhh
#
rascul ssh has the same issue though
#
tantek it's a bit of a hack but it's likely to work
#
rascul unless you verify the fingerprint and all by some other means, the first time you ssh to a host you accept what you're offered or you don't
#
AngeloGladding interesting..
#
AngeloGladding ssh also has passwords..
#
tantek if there was a way to do peer to peer sharing of others' self-signed certs, from *non*-self-signed certs, then you could even verify a self-signed cert by way of that same social network!
#
rascul yes but i'm not referring to user authentication but host authentication
#
AngeloGladding oh yes
#
tantek e.g if you and aaronpk's servers happened to see the same self-signed cert from tantek.com, that increases the chances that it's authentic
#
AngeloGladding a web of trust
#
rascul i always though https would work better like that
#
tantek more like vouching but yeah
#
AngeloGladding yeah i've yet to grok vouching
#
tantek because it gets increasingly difficult to MITM a single server across to every other server that tries to access it
#
tantek AngeloGladding: in a strictly semantic sense not protocol sense
#
AngeloGladding rascul give me a second to ponder
#
AngeloGladding tantek yes i see where you're going with it
#
tantek though TLS+Vouch would be interesting too
#
tantek e.g. if tantek.com could say, here's my self-signed cert, and btw https://aaronparecki.com/ will vouch for it
#
rascul it would never happen though on a large scale
#
rascul the corrupt certificate authority industry would fight it and kill it
#
tantek rascul why not?
#
tantek it would be difficult / impossible to kill because you could simply implement it as an HTTP extension, open source
#
rascul then it would require the browsers to implement it
#
rascul and other clients
#
tantek rascul, also the same argument could be made about LetsEncrypt but they've failed to kill that
#
KartikPrabhu #indieweb-dev?
#
tantek rascul - not "required"
#
rascul well let's encrypt isn't really disrupting the industry
#
tantek this is purely for server to server
#
tantek it's incremental
#
tantek as is letsencrypt
#
tantek which is what makes it hard to stop
#
tantek if something like that scaled to web servers in general
#
rascul i could very well be wrong and it might happen
#
tantek you can bet that browsers would figure out a way to implement it
#
tantek rascul - you are generalizing from small steps to why large steps would fail, that's the flaw in your reasoning
#
tantek whereas all we are talking about are the small steps
#
tantek and how even just getting the small steps working brings its own value without any large steps - that's the point
#
AngeloGladding sorry Kartik -- realized one post too late
#
tantek heh
#
rascul i would really like to see a web of trust or vouch like implementation for https though
#
tantek yes - and it's late here so I'll say good night on that
#
Loqi night night
#
AngeloGladding thanks for the input all
#
rascul Loqi_ fix your nick
#
tantek feel free to continue in #indieweb-dev as KartikPrabhu suggested
#
tantek oh good the people are back on http://2016.indieweb.org/nyc2
#
Loqi IndieWebCamp NYC2 2016
#
@t Just two more sleeps til IndieWebCamp NYC. Still a few spots left! Join us: http://2016.indieweb.org/nyc2 (ttk.me t4iy2) (twitter.com/_/status/769026918339452928)
#
@scott_gruber Anyone in NYC? @indiewebcamp is coming your way. https://twitter.com/t/status/769026918339452928 (twitter.com/_/status/769030010590076928)
#
@writeas__ We now support microformats on posts and blogs, with more #indieweb integrations coming next. (twitter.com/_/status/769035535692234752)
#
KevinMarks Can we register to remote attend? Is there a different url we can webmention with an RSVP for that?
#
Loqi KevinMarks: tantek left you a message 3 hours, 54 minutes ago: fixed a few typos in your HWC 2016-08-24 notes - thanks much for taking / posting! https://github.com/kevinmarks/kevin-marks.com/pull/6
KevinMarks joined the channel
#
Loqi [indieweb] "This Week in the IndieWeb" on 2016-08-26 https://indieweb.org/this-week/2016-08-26.html
snarfed, wolftune, KevinMarks_, loicm, comzeradd, chrisaldrich1, ChrisAldrich, nitot, moredhel, gkbrk, KevinMarks, friedcell, cmal and AngeloGladding joined the channel
#
ChrisAldrich KevinMarks, I don't think there was a separate section to RSVP for remote attendance for the Summit in June, so I suspect there isn't one for NYC2 as the site was copied over.
nitot and tantek joined the channel
#
cmal re http://indieweb.org/security#https_http_botches
#
cmal it seems by default indieauth.com tries HTTP
#
cmal not HTTPS
#
cmal when I enter cmal.info it says « sign in as http://cmal.info/ » and then most of the relme fail because they are pointing to my HTTPS site, not HTTP (that's good)
#
cmal but still, defaulting to (or even allowing) HTTP without TLS for login is…
loicm, catsup and cmal joined the channel
#
cmal aaronpk: https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth.com/issues/119#issuecomment-242688430 :)
gkbrk, mlncn and gvt joined the channel
#
GWG Morning
#
Loqi good morning!
pl_, friedcell, tantek, thebaer, chrisaldrich1, AngeloGladding and loicm joined the channel
#
KevinMarks !tell aaronpk could we have a page to RSVP to for remote attendance?
#
Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
#
tantek KevinMarks: https://indieweb.org/2016/NYC2/Projects_List#Remote_Participants
friedcell joined the channel
#
@DonaldBMcIntosh #indieweb Anyone noticed inconsistent #hashtag indexing when POSSE to twitter with external link? If I search for # my tweet is not there. (twitter.com/_/status/769168185379676160)
snarfed and singpolyma joined the channel
#
KevinMarks I know, tantek. I was suggesting a page to webmention with an /RSVP so we show up with the others
#
miklb wishes IWC started today :-)
#
tantek miklb every day can be an IWC if you want it to be :)
#
GWG We could also bring back IWC Online
#
miklb what was IWC Online?
#
Loqi Join us for the very first IndieWebCamp Online. IndiewebCamp Online is a one-day IndieWebCamp conducted entirely online without a physical venue https://indieweb.org/IWC_Online
#
miklb cool. There is a distributed Jekyll conf that is completely online through hangouts and was quite good.
chrisaldrich1, eayoungs1 and tantek joined the channel
#
tantek !tell KevinMarks speaking of RSVP for *remote* participation, did we ever capture that as a use-case or brainstorm about how one could RSVP yes-remote instead of just yes?
#
Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
KevinMarks joined the channel
#
tantek did Loqi get the _ to register with nickserv and get ops?
shiflett joined the channel
#
aaronpk oops weird
#
Loqi aaronpk: KevinMarks left you a message 1 hour, 21 minutes ago: could we have a page to RSVP to for remote attendance?
Loqi joined the channel
#
GWG Greetings aaronpk
#
aaronpk good morning
tantek and snarfed joined the channel
#
KevinMarks Hm yes-remote seems trickier than a remote page as an adjunct to a physically attending page
#
Loqi KevinMarks: tantek left you a message 40 minutes ago: speaking of RSVP for *remote* participation, did we ever capture that as a use-case or brainstorm about how one could RSVP yes-remote instead of just yes?
neilpdx, gRegorLove, friedcell and wolftune joined the channel
#
@DonaldBMcIntosh Yep, @twitter didnt index that either. So is page agnostic, just discriminate against my site. Another reason for #indieweb </experiment> (twitter.com/_/status/769200727436718080)
leg and wolftune joined the channel
#
gRegorLove https://twitter.com/therealfitz/status/769195868117274624
#
@therealfitz Did you know that "Fitbit Wants You to Buy Your Data Back"?https://medium.com/@therealfitz/fitbit-wants-you-to-buy-your-data-back-4696adc3457e #DataLiberation (twitter.com/_/status/769195868117274624)
#
aaronpk ouch
#
gRegorLove cmal: https certs aren't needed to verify the rel-me links between your site and your account profiles, that's all indieauth is doing. The authentication step takes place at the profile you selected, like Twitter, which is https.
#
aaronpk it's true that without the https cert, indieauth.com *might* be MITM'd and the attacker could inject their own link on your home page. but that's a pretty far stretch because it requires MITM'ing the connection between indieauth.com and your server.
snarfed and wolftune joined the channel
#
@RikMende How do you export "saved articles" outside #Facebook? (RSS feed reader or else?) some contact do find papers I want to read later. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/769224555751677952)
wolftune joined the channel
#
Loqi [indieweb] "Reply to Scott Kingery about Wallabag and Reading" by Chris Aldrich on 2016-08-26 http://boffosocko.com/2016/08/26/reply-to-scott-kingery-about-wallabag-and-reading/
cmal joined the channel
#
cmal good evening :)
snarfed and begriffs joined the channel
#
aaronpk greetings
#
cmal what's up? :)
mlncn joined the channel
#
aaronpk see above for thoughts on your indieauth comment
#
cmal you're right about it being rather unlikely (it would probably not be the easiest entry point)
wolftune joined the channel
#
cmal but can we just assume that it's good and common practice to have HTTPS nowadays? I mean I don't see the usecase of someone NOT wanting to do HTTPS on their domain for authentication purposes
#
cmal (i.e. rel=me links on their homepage)
#
aaronpk using rel=me links for authentication is intended to be a super easy way to start using your domain for things
#
aaronpk you don't need to write any code or do any configuration other than setting up a web page
#
aaronpk so i'm hesitant to start adding restrictions and make people go through more hoops
#
cmal well I'm asking precisely because HTTPS in 2016 is not supposed to be a hoop anymore
#
aaronpk https is definitely a lot easier to get set up now, and doesn't have the added cost it used to, but it's still more work than not doing it
#
cmal it's a common and standard practice
#
aaronpk not "supposed" to be, but it still is, at least for another year or so
#
aaronpk dreamhost's https checkbox is still technically in beta
#
aaronpk and they're one of the more proactive hosts supporting letsencrypt
#
cmal well you've got web servers auto-deploying certs (caddie) and many web hosts providing free certs by default now
#
bear https for most folks is still more than just a checkbox item when looking for a host
#
aaronpk until the vast majority of hosts literally don't require the user to do anything in order to support https, i'm going to say no
#
bear we have to remember that the IndieWeb guidelines and practices have to be designed with non-ops and non-tech folks
#
bear it's something i've had to learn to temper as an ops person working in this decidely non-ops community :)
shiflett joined the channel
#
cmal yeah I feel this vibe sometimes ;)
#
bear cmal - not that folks like us shouldn't stop agitating for better [Info|App]Sec practices :)
#
bear we should always have on hand indieweb wiki posts and pages that help them take that next step
#
cmal but I don't know, I feel like HTTPS is now so easy… even for "non-ops" people personal clouds are all starting to implement ACME in the past months
#
aaronpk is still confused by this use of "personal cloud"
#
rascul is still confused by the use of "cloud" at all
#
bear yep, I feel the same - but until the ones that *don't* are the exception... we have to be patient
#
Loqi +1
#
bear what we can do is start to suggest for new people the services that enable good practices
#
bear like dreamhost and such
#
KartikPrabhu what is ACME?
#
Loqi ACME is the Adactio Content Management Engine, a privately developed CMS by http://adactio.com/icon.pngJeremy Keith written in PHP with MySQL for storage https://indieweb.org/ACME
#
sknebel lol
#
cmal yeah cloud is a stupid word, and personal cloud, too. maybe we mean admin panel or something?
#
cmal woops, wrong ACME
#
cmal I'll be back in a bit
#
bear cmal++ for keeping the InfoSec flame burning
#
Loqi cmal has 4 karma (3 in this channel)
#
cmal swimming pool urgently needs some tape
#
sknebel the UX issue ("i just put in my domain and it failed because it used http") might be fixable, does indieauth.com handle that redirect to https and have backlinks to https?
#
aaronpk yes if you have http->https redirects then everything works fine
#
sknebel oh, cmal.info doesn't redirect to https, that explains it then
#
aaronpk well then :)
#
bear dogfooding++
#
Loqi dogfooding has 2 karma
wolftune joined the channel
#
snarfed btw cmal feel free to ask tantek for (some) arguments against https next time you see him
#
snarfed eg http://indieweb.org/HTTPS#Criticism , especially the last one
tantek joined the channel
#
snarfed i don't think he's entirely against, but he can defintiely describe some healthy skepticism
#
Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on A New Reading Post-type for Bookmarking and Reading Workflow by Chris Aldrich" by Chris Aldrich on 2016-08-26 http://boffosocko.com/2016/08/22/a-new-reading-post-type-for-bookmarking-and-reading-workflow/#comment-31841
#
Loqi [indieweb] "By: Scott Kingery" by Scott Kingery on 2016-08-24 http://techlifeweb.com/14892-2/
#
Loqi [indieweb] "By: Chris Aldrich" by Chris Aldrich on 2016-08-26 http://boffosocko.com/2016/08/22/a-new-reading-post-type-for-bookmarking-and-reading-workflow/
#
snarfed (tldr: for him, and some others, privacy is less of a priority than longevity and maintainability)
#
voxpelli is not on https and can not easily deploy to https due to GitHub Pages
#
tantek interesting
#
voxpelli can probably only do "https" through Cloudflare, but since that would likely use http between Cloudflare and GitHub that is not without criticism and flaws as well
#
aaronpk you could probably do https through cloudflare and point cloudflare at the https github.io URL for your github pages
#
aaronpk but yeah hoops
#
voxpelli Also shows that https URL:s are not necessarily safe
#
voxpelli That https can easily be provided while still relying on unencrypted server to server communications – so key is to teach security more than just enforcing protocols
#
aaronpk Right. And if you're only worried about https between your computer and the server then that's fine, and that's the more important use of https IMO anyway
#
voxpelli In context of IndieAuth it's all about server to server communications though
#
aaronpk not *all* about server to server
#
aaronpk you're more likely to be MITM'd on an open coffee shop wifi so it's most important that your computer is always talking to https sites during the login flow
#
aaronpk with rel-me auth, your server doesn't need to be https because your computer never talks to your server during login
#
voxpelli yeah, that's what I meant :)
#
voxpelli aaronpk: I can't remember: Is it possible for IndieAuth client to know how the user authed? To eg make a decision if security was good enough?
#
aaronpk indieauth.com doesn't tell the consumer which rel-me was used if that's what you mean
[kevinmarks] joined the channel
#
[kevinmarks] Does that imply that the micropub endpoint should be https though? Otherwise you token is sniffable in a coffee shop
#
voxpelli Does it tell the protocol of the site used to log in with?
#
aaronpk [kevinmarks]: if your computer is talking directly to your micropub endpoint then yes
#
aaronpk but in the case of quill, it's not. your computer talks to quill over https then quill talks to your server
#
aaronpk voxpelli: it will report the identity as http or https depending on what the user typed in
#
voxpelli [kevinmarks]: yes, OAuth 2 Bearer tokens always needs to be transmitted over https
#
[kevinmarks] What is write.as?
#
Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "write.as" yet. Would you like to create it?
#
[kevinmarks] write.as is a minimal UI blogging tool meant for quick posting with good pseudonymity. It has web, android and iOS clients, free and paid hosting, and supports microformats-2.
#
Loqi ok
#
miklb voxpelli question: < > are being converted to html entities in micropub posts. aaronpk doesn't think Quill is doing it. What might be doing it in micropub endpoint?
#
voxpelli miklb: the incredibly epic and totally unnecessary html <-> markdown conversion ;)
#
voxpelli good news though: it's optional in the formatter, the glue project just needs to expose that configurability
#
miklb ok. I was going to use the built in kramdown <http://example.com/> to markdown conversion for notes w/links
#
voxpelli miklb: oh, you're sending markdown in your post? all micropub content is either html or plain text :/
#
voxpelli and plain text needs to be escaped as it would otherwise as you say be interpreted as markdown – so that's a feature, not a bug
#
miklb not markdown, but specifically `<http://example.com/>` then when Jekyll builds the page, it converts that to a markdown link
#
miklb micropub is just converting the < > to html entities
#
voxpelli it's impossible for the micropub endpoint to know that those < > should be left alone and not escaped :/
KartikPrabhu joined the channel
#
miklb hmm
#
aaronpk voxpelli: i'm not sure that's correct. if the client is sending plain text then nothing should be escaping that until it's displayed as html
#
voxpelli unless it specifically knows about Kramdown syntax and is specifically told to allow that syntax in plain text notes
#
miklb goes back to drawing board
#
aaronpk unless your micropub endpoint is actually storing HTML, at which point it's a storage problem
#
voxpelli aaronpk: well, in Jekyll it's saved as html or markdown right away so there's no non-html storage
#
aaronpk hmm
#
aaronpk wishes that software was called something other than "micropub endpoint" because wow this conversation is hard to follow
#
miklb I've referred to it as WMG a few times to differentiate
#
aaronpk WMG??
#
miklb webpage-micropub-github
#
aaronpk oh gosh
#
aaronpk names are hard
#
aaronpk almost as hard as logos
#
miklb that's the repo name :)
#
voxpelli wishes there was a good project name generator
#
aaronpk https://www.dotomator.com/web20.html
#
voxpelli aaronpk: the micropub project is extra hard because it's made up of four different projects ;) this formatting doesn't happen in WMG, but rather in the formatter project
#
aaronpk runs away
#
miklb voxpelli how do you autolink notes then?
#
miklb autolink URLs in notes I should say
#
voxpelli miklb: I just recently became aware of the fact that there's no autolinking, so currently I don't
#
voxpelli miklb: perhaps something the formatter should do?
#
voxpelli I think tantek has some js autoformatting code we maybe could borrow?
#
miklb seems hard to do without passing html in a potential POSSE
#
miklb I could write a Jekyll plugin, but that wouldn't help gh-page users
#
tantek voxpelli: yes, auto_link is written in CASSIS and works in both PHP & JS. I use it on my server live on my site, and I think KevinMarks uses it in JS on noterlive.
#
miklb so possibly an exception for the <http://example.com/> format? Kramdown will autolink that in Jekyll
#
voxpelli miklb: maybe, we could investigate a few different ways – I'm a bit suprised that GitHub Pages doesn't provide autolinking
#
miklb iirc when I investigated, the old alternate markdown converter did.
#
voxpelli yeah, I just switched from that one
#
voxpelli miklb: autolinking would be nice as that would make posting the same post to this endpoint and to someone elses endpoint work just the same – which could be important in some cases where eg. the message is autogenerated
snarfed joined the channel
#
miklb the thing about doing it on the formatter side is would it convert it to HTML and would that effect a POSSE like Twitter where characters count?
#
miklb takes the discussion to the issue
[rickc] joined the channel
#
[rickc] On https: browsers still default to http if no protocol is specified.
#
[kevinmarks] Gillmor Gang time
#
rascul [rickc] there's hsts for that though
#
[rickc] Apparently there are security concerns even with hsts
#
KevinMarks I'm always happy to brainstorm names
#
rascul [rickc] hsts preload probably takes care of that
#
miklb Octopub
#
GWG Octopub is the name of my Android Github viewer
#
[kevinmarks] Vox popelli
#
miklb of course :)
#
miklb well, octopub would have been a good name for a micropub/github app ;-)
#
miklb app/service
#
[kevinmarks] Gitpub
snarfed joined the channel
#
Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 2pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2016-08-26.html
anarchivist joined the channel
#
KevinMarks What is gitpub?
#
Loqi GitPub is a micropub endpoint that creates static content inside a git repository for later consumption by a ssg or flat file backed cms https://indieweb.org/GitPub
#
tantek neat
shiflett and voxpelli joined the channel
#
Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 2pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2016-08-26.html
begriffs joined the channel
#
voxpelli tried Markov chains to generate project names. Got "Sadlify" and "Worrytlr". Then tried to feed it with Product Hunt names. Did. Not. Improve.
bashrc joined the channel
#
aaronpk lol!
#
KevinMarks What's the product?
#
KevinMarks http://www.salon.com/1999/11/30/naming/
#
voxpelli KevinMarks: pondered whether I could make a IndieWeb project name creator for whenever I needed to name a new project – I think I'll try something else ;)
#
sknebel repo names generator with a neural network http://colinmorris.github.io/rbm/repos/ (and the interesting article why that might be "better" than a markov chain http://colinmorris.github.io/blog/dreaming-rbms )
Jammy_Stuff joined the channel
#
bear my method is to find verbs to describe what is needed, run that thru some synonym lookups and then thru a english->kanji dictionary
#
KevinMarks Thats kind of what I do, except in my own head
#
aaronpk i collect a bunch of names ahead of time then pick one from the list when i need one
#
[kevinmarks] With silo.pub I thought of the domain and Kyle went to build it
#
[kevinmarks] Maybe we should make up product names tj ta suggest things to build
#
@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indieweb.org/this-week/2016-08-26.html https://twitter.com/indiewebcamp/status/769282027342311424/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/769282027342311424)
#
aaronpk "tj ta"?
snarfed joined the channel
#
[kevinmarks] s/tj ta/that/
mindB and snarfed1 joined the channel
#
[kevinmarks] Did loqi stop doing s/?
bashrc joined the channel
#
KartikPrabhu yes
aaronpk, bashrc, Lana and AngeloGladding joined the channel
#
Loqi [indieweb] "Liked “My Indieweb swag arrived!” by Chris Aldrich" on 2016-08-26 https://kylewm.com/2016/08/like-of-chris-aldrich-my-indieweb-swag-arrived
friedcell, wolftune, pl_, KartikPrabhu, ben_thatmustbeme and acegiak[m] joined the channel
#
gRegorLove I think I might get back to working on h2vx.com this weekend, to update it with php-mf2 so it can parse h-event
#
tantek and h-card!
#
GWG h2vx?
#
tantek hey GWG - btw, Emma has confirmed we are good to go for tomorrow morning organizer setup 09:00 at Dalberg
#
gRegorLove Yeah, h-card too :)
#
gRegorLove What is h2vx?
#
Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "h2vx" yet. Would you like to create it?
#
tantek also I have "Hello my name is" and large sticky notes :D
#
GWG I will be there. I am going to try the Express Bus
#
gRegorLove h2vx is a service to convert hCard and hCalendar microformats to vCard and iCalendar formats http://h2vx.com
#
Loqi ok
#
tantek h2vx << http://microformats.org/wiki/h2vx for more info.
#
Loqi ok, I added "http://microformats.org/wiki/h2vx for more info." to the "See Also" section of /h2vx
#
Loqi H2VX is a production deployment of the X2V hCard and hCalendar conversion transforms. It converts hCard contacts and hCalendar events on web pages to .vcf and .ics respectively for use in desktop and other client software applications. Contents ...
#
tantek GWG, I am only a few blocks away if you get to the area early
#
tantek and want to grab a coffee or something
#
tantek e.g. at Stumptown on 29th near Broadway
#
GWG The QM5 is estimated to arrive 34 and Park around 8:30.
#
GWG Runs once an hour.
tommorris_ joined the channel
#
GWG But if I get there early will advise.
Pierre-O and voxpelli joined the channel
#
GWG I have to pack up my equipment tonight. I may need a rolling bag.
Pierre-O and doesntgolf joined the channel