#indieweb 2016-08-27

2016-08-27 UTC
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gRegorLove GWG: They see me rolin'...
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GWG Gregorlove, I am bringing extra recording devices
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GWG Okay, I fit 3 laptops, three microphones, two webcams, and a 5 port USB charger in a backpack.
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GWG Timbuk2 has a good warranty program, I hope.
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MSiep Is there a way to participate remotely in the NYC IndieWebCamp this weekend?
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GWG MSiep: I'm bringing a laptop and a webcam and I'm going to try to stream it. Also, this chat room will be hopping.
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miklb indeed
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MSiep Thanks. I'll join the chat room tomorrow morning then.
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miklb MSiep you should add yourself to https://indieweb.org/irc-people
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GWG Well, if you look at IWC NYC 2016 from January on Youtube, I used the same equipment and it turned out well enough.
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GWG It isn't aaronpk and his fancy Youtube encoder device...
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MSiep miklb: Thanks - will do.
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@sandeshkumard The latest The Executives Dairy! https://t.co/OTWHK1wjpc Thanks to @artypapers #indieweb #ziptrip (twitter.com/_/status/768249470555398144)
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@jeromyu The latest The Wikipedia Daily! https://t.co/k5gDJdyIrV Thanks to @purplepopple @mSefi @pedreco #indieweb #noticia (twitter.com/_/status/768389458756599808)
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Loqi [indieweb] "By: ChrisAldrich" by ChrisAldrich on 2016-08-25 https://twitter.com/ChrisAldrich/status/768613302989680640
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@DonaldBMcIntosh Well it seems Twitter indexing bias towards mega social platforms versus #indieweb sites is well known http://bit.ly/17KOjW (twitter.com/_/status/769469237186457600)
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@DonaldBMcIntosh Bad link before. Trying again - see this chat on @twitter indexing bias against #indieweb https://twittercommunity.com/t/a-tweet-does-not-show-up-under-the-hashtag-feed-if-the-tweet-also-contains-a-url-along-with-the-hashtag-is-this-behavior-normal/9217/20 (twitter.com/_/status/769477735504814080)
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@jkphl @pfefferle Wenn du's individueller gestalten willst und es handgefrickelt sein darf, sieh dir das skript hier an: https://github.com/jkphl/indieweb-talk (twitter.com/_/status/769480634108698624)
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MSiep {{irc user|1=techdesignpsych.com|2=MSiep|3=US/Mountain|4=http://techdesignpsych.com/images/MS-square-closeup.jpg}}
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@t Getting ready to start the fourth IndieWebCamp NYC! https://indieweb.org/2016/NYC2 (ttk.me t4j01) (twitter.com/_/status/769539710771339264)
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GWG And no snow this time
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[emmah] hello from IndieWebCampNYC2!
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aaronpk Just got this notification
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aaronpk http://i.imgur.com/k1HiWDE.png
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GWG http://youtu.be/ZRaBVvUKkgU
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@dangillmor Joining the @indiewebcamp folks today in NYC. What they're doing is important, and under-appreciated. (twitter.com/_/status/769543978937004032)
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GWG The link I posted above is for the live stream.
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tantek aaronpk: can you confirm the youtube live link is working?
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tantek aaronpk?
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tantek anyone awake and can check the live link from GWG above?
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sknebel stream online
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GWG Audio working?
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GWG Video clear?
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@t We are live at IndieWebCamp NYC2! YouTube live link: https://www.youtube.com/ (ttk.me t4j02) (twitter.com/_/status/769545249945292800)
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sknebel 89341
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sknebel :)
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aaronpk 👍
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@dangillmor "The IndieWeb is a people-focused alternative to the 'corporate web'". @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/769546760200957952)
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GWG tantek reminds people re our Slack Gateway
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GWG We document on the wiki, on our etherpad, etc.
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[eric] :wave:
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@dangillmor .@t says think UI, UX first in @indiewebcamp work-- make it usable. (twitter.com/_/status/769547915446489089)
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GWG tantek - How many things have you lost due to a site shutdown...?
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@dangillmor The @indiewebcamp people keep track of what's disappeared -- highlighting the perils of living in 3rd party silos. http://indieweb.org/site-deaths (twitter.com/_/status/769548244082827265)
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dangillmor testing IRC
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GWG tantek - There is no Indieweb installer
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dangillmor Where's the IndieWeb install? There isn't one. There are many. (A feature, and a bug, IMO.)
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[jorbin] The lack of ability to easy and obvious entry points can hurt adoption.
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GWG [jorbin]: There are some initiatives.
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[eric] Does etherpad use a centralized server, or is it distributed/uses websockets or the like?
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aaronpk etherpad is just a web app
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aaronpk we're hosting it on etherpad.indieweb.org
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[eric] huh, so no back-end server?
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aaronpk i meant "web app" in the traditional server-hosted app
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[jorbin] eric https://github.com/ether/etherpad-lite
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tantek Introductions
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tantek I'm Tantek and my website is tantek.com
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tantek Eric Andrew Lewis (.com)
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tantek Pretty basic WordPress install
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tantek mainly blog here about software development for the web
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tantek how to install Linux on my computer
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tantek Mostly on Twitter, not very indieweb
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tantek I also make a lot one-off web apps
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tantek on my own website
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tantek I use github.io pages for one-off stuff that is HTML because that's very easy
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tantek like ericandrewlewis.github.io
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GWG Next up is Aaron Jorbin.
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GWG aaron.jorb.in
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tantek basic HTML page and rsync to a server
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tantek most of my stuff lives on subdomains
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tantek resume, blog
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tantek I'm also on the WordPress core team
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tantek tried to RSVP correctly but it didn't show up
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sknebel GWG tantek: camera gone
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tantek I would like to figure out a way to do those RSVPs
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tantek from WordPress
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sknebel and back
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tantek working on WordPress, I have some ability to influence things
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tantek next
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GWG offers aaronjorbin a list of WordPress tickets
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tantek Emma Hodge
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tantek emmahodge.org
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GWG Made at IWC NYC
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tantek I made it at IndieWebCamp NYC in January during the snowstorm
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tantek subequently I went to IndieWebCamp Düsseldorf this summer
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tantek and I have a post from there
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tantek I am not a developer, and I don't work in tech or on tech things
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tantek but I work for a consulting firm that focuses on economic and social development
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tantek really interested in different ways that people have access to information
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tantek the indieweb is an interesting way to explore that
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tantek personally interested in learning more about the web works, how websites work
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tantek things I want to do this weekend
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tantek I also tried to do a webmention RSVP
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tantek but wasn't able to do that
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tantek tried to post that on my events page but it didn't work
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tantek I also would like to write a blog post - about living in Geneva for 3.5 months
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tantek things I recommend someone do if they are there
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tantek I really appreciated at both IndieWebCamps the opportunity to learn
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tantek GWG asks: how many do not work in development - about half
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tantek Marty McGuire
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tantek martymcgui.re
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tantek learned about IWC last summer when learning about unhosted apps etc., been lurking on IRC
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tantek slowly getting indieweb standards on my site
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tantek have had a good time building everything
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tantek I wrote a tweet that also went to Twitter
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tantek haven't automated it yet, on my nice to have list
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tantek I'm interested in the own your own domain aspect
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tantek As a web security person, it kind of stresses me out, you never really own your domain, you rent your domain
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tantek This is my website running on the TOR network
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tantek (shows a .onion URL)
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tantek running on the same machine
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tantek but served over the TOR network
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tantek if you use the TOR browser, when you visit my website, you're not hitting the DNS infrastructure
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tantek it's encrypted end-to-end
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tantek but you don't have to install a certificate
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tantek I think this is an interesting thing to explore
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tantek building things on the TOR network has implications
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tantek challenge: getting Service Workers working, because they depend on an SSL cert
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tantek next
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tantek Dan Gillmor
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tantek dangillmor.com
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GWG Note to selves: Make Chromecast standard equipment
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tantek I'm a more of a diletante in this world than practitioner, but I care more about it
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tantek quite worried about the direction of a lot of technology
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tantek of the radical recentralization going on
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tantek my two thirds time is teaching at ASU Cronkite School of Journalism
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tantek I used to be journalist, was the columnist at the San Jose Mercury News writing about tech and business and policy
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tantek got involved in this pretty early
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tantek wrote a piece for Slate about what's going on with IndieWeb
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tantek here's a piece that KevinMarks and I did from the Decentralized Web Summit
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tantek I'm excited about the possibilities
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tantek http://www.fastcompany.com/3061357/the-web-decentralized-distributed-open
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tantek recently I changed hosting companies and something got borked
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tantek sometimes I do updates and get 404s
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tantek all the indieweb stuff just stopped working when I moved it, so I'm going to reinstall
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tantek current plan is to export, and re-import
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tantek working on a book about what we human beings can do about this recentralization
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tantek aformentioned slate article also from 2014: http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/04/25/indiewebcamps_create_tools_for_a_new_internet.html
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tantek I want to thank Tantek and Kevin and everyone else involved
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tantek up next
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tantek GWG
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[schmarty] (btw - here's my .onion site version of martymcgui.re - http://schmartyp7qtjzn7.onion/)
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tantek up next Avi
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tantek Avi Wilensky
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GWG I'll go after
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tantek I wanted a site that always stayed online
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tantek I saw that Moo.com the business card company allowed some free hosting
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tantek my site looks like business card
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tantek my resume also
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ChrisAldrich Good morning from Los Angeles IWC NYC2!
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tantek my blog posts
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tantek my foursquare which I haven't used in about a year
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tantek I would like to move my personal site off this platform to something more indieweb
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tantek I've been having some fun with the **** Python framework
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GWG Good morning, ChrisAldrich
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GWG How is the stream?
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tantek it's hosted AWS lambda or Google ****
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tantek couple of lines of Python, and you're up and running with a simple web application
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ChrisAldrich GWG: where is the stream?
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tantek probably overkill for a personal site
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ChrisAldrich was just looking for it
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aaronpk ChrisAldrich: check tantek.com
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GWG ChrisAldrich: Check tantek.com, he has it on top
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tantek Chalice is a Python wrapper
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[jorbin] https://github.com/awslabs/chalice
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tantek [aaronpk can you add it to the /topic too?]
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tantek Chalice has been really nice to work with
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tantek happy to answer any questions
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tantek it looks very similar to flask
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ChrisAldrich Hollywood wouldn't call it the best cinematography, but visible and clear!
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ChrisAldrich Live streaming link: https://youtu.be/ZRaBVvUKkgU
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GWG It's a Logitech Web Cam on a long USB cable.
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GWG It is good for this sort of event
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GWG And the audio hopefully is clear
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GWG Demonstrating the IRC log
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aaronpk audio is great for the people at GWG and tantek's end of the table
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ChrisAldrich If someone wants to use www.noterlive.com with #Indieweb, we could capture the details here in IRC as well as broadcast to followers on twitter.
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tantek what is Chalice
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Chalice" yet. Would you like to create it?
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GWG aaronpk: If you said something, I would have moved the microphone
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GWG I have more cable.
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GWG I did a sound check for the far side before
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[avi] chalice is a python micro framework that lives onto of AWS lambda. similar to Flask or Bottle.
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Loqi ok
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[eric] what is chalice
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Loqi chalice is a python micro framework that lives onto of AWS lambda https://indieweb.org/chalice
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[eric] thanks loqi!
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Loqi you're welcome, [eric]
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tantek What is Webmention?
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Loqi Webmention is a simple way to notify any URL when you link to it on your site https://indieweb.org/Webmention
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[avi] chalice is a python micro framework that lives onto of AWS lambda. similar to Flask or Bottle, https://github.com/awslabs/chalice
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GWG What is love?
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Loqi "baby don't hurt me . . . " ♫ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhrBDcQq2DM https://indieweb.org/love
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GWG What is the answer to the question of life the universe and everything?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "answer to the question of life the universe and everything" yet. Would you like to create it?
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dangillmor what is loqi
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Loqi Loqi is a friendly and useful bot present in the IndieWeb discussion channels https://indieweb.org/Loqi
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[jorbin] Can loqi answer complex questions?
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[jorbin] what is the difference between webmtions and pingbacks?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "difference between webmtions and pingbacks" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek (also Loqi doesn't understand typos, yet ;) )
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ChrisAldrich If anyone asks, the live stream link is on the wiki page /2016/NYC2
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tantek up next
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tantek GWG
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tantek david.shanske.com
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tantek posts things, replies etc.
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tantek I would say I should post more, but I think everybody does
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tantek Here I posted an article that I thought would be lost
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tantek This is all running WordPress
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tantek I wrote my own theme
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tantek I use a test site
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tantek when I'm experimenting
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[avi] Fyvush Finkel is a an American actor known as a star of Yiddish theater and for his role as lawyer Douglas Wambaugh on the television series Picket Fences, for which he earned an Emmy Award https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fyvush_Finkel
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[avi] what is Fyvush Finkel
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Fyvush Finkel" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek I've created some test sites with fake personas
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tantek setup these test sites so they can talk to each other
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tantek the theme here is one called Independent Publisher
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tantek the developer was convinced to write his own display for webmentions
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tantek I'm going to be continuing in that vein because there are a lot more things I want to do
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tantek That's it for now!
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tantek (GWG)
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tantek Marty is demoing again
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GWG avi, you have to ask first
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tantek showing Quill from his Android phone
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tantek now using IndieAuth to login to my website
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@dangillmor Wow, Loqi is an amazing bot for IRC rooms: https://indieweb.org/Loqi (twitter.com/_/status/769560022783143937)
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tantek Marty shows the Quill mobile interface
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tantek want to post a note
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tantek shows character count left in case you want to cross-post to Twitter
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tantek or a photo, and optional location
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[avi] whats the url for the quill project?
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tantek when I hit post, it submits to his tool (Quill), which then posts to my website
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tantek [avi, ask what is ... :) ]
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[avi] what is quill
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Loqi Quill is a simple app for posting text notes to your website using Micropub https://indieweb.org/Quill
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tantek I'm getting a page not found because it takes a minute for my website to crunch and regenerate static pages
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tantek refresh
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tantek and there it is
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tantek (shows a note with a photo)
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tantek https://martymcgui.re/2016/08/27/114152/
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Loqi [Marty McGuire] https://martymcgui.re/assets/posts/2016/08/27/114152/phpCirWaN.jpgAttending IndieWebCamp NYC2
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tantek it's based all on my own code in Python in my own private Github repo
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tantek I have a little chunk of Python code that implements the Micropub standard
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tantek Quill posts that to my site via micropub
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tantek my code eats that, and then generates
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tantek it's a kludge but it all works!
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GWG Two new people have joined us.
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[schmarty] tantek introducing indieweb building blocks
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[schmarty] starting w/ https://indieweb.org/Getting_Started
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[schmarty] indiewebify.me as a way of starting on your own
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[schmarty] joining the community is the meta getting-started step
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[schmarty] everyone here has a domain of their own, as well as some hosting (maybe not their ideal, but working currently)
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[schmarty] discussing web sign-in (which https://indieweb.org/indieauth.com implements) as a way of using your home page to identify yourself on other services, which provide authentication
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[schmarty] we are leveraging the hard work of silos like twitter, facebook, github of handling secure authentication
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[schmarty] but indieauth supports doing this without any silos, such as GPG, or email on your own domain
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miklb waves hi from Tampa
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rMdes Hi from Brussels
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[schmarty] once you have authorized, you probably want to post! there are lots of different types of things you might post on your website (http://indieweb.org/posts)
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GWG Audio still good?
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voxpelli waves hi from Sweden
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[schmarty] discussed http://indieweb.org/POSSE and publishing your posts to other sites
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[schmarty] now discussing http://indieweb.org/webmention and the new W3C candidate recommendation status for the webmention protocol (http://www.w3.org/TR/webmention)
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[schmarty] this is a big deal for the indieweb
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[schmarty] this replaces pingbacks and trackbacks
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[schmarty] there are dozens of webmention implementations, more than for pingbacks, trackbacks, etc
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[schmarty] now describing http://indieweb.org/micropub (which also has W3C CR status https://www.w3.org/TR/micropub/)
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[schmarty] GWG adds that both micropub and webmention leave it up to the receiving website to decide how to display the content
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[schmarty] time for session scheduling
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tantek hello remote participants!
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thebaer hi from Florida!
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dangillmor is kevinmarks here?
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miklb thebaer howdy fellow Floridian
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thebaer waves to miklb
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thebaer Jacksonville here
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miklb <- Tampa
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thebaer very cool
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GWG Jacksonville, meet Tampa.
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miklb were sessions decided?
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KevinMarks Hi, I'm on irc, but not watching the stream
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rascul https://observatory.mozilla.org is a nifty for checking your site's security stuff
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miklb anybody remote working on something fun today?
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[chrisaldrich] I'm watching sporadically...
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[chrisaldrich] hello tantek! I've got audio.
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[chrisaldrich] 89241
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[chrisaldrich] I'm in slack because IRC isn't working for me for some reason right now.
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aaronpk network blocking it for some reason?
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[chrisaldrich] nota bene: not all IRC channels bridge to slack properly at the moment
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aaronpk all the rest are one-way to slack right now
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[chrisaldrich] aaronpk: potentially. I'm on UC Irvine's wifi (while simultaneously attending DrupalCamp for outreach) and they are blocking some connections
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aaronpk ah yeah university and corporate networks tend to block IRC
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[chrisaldrich] slackbridge++
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Loqi slackbridge has 2 karma
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gRegorLove Good morning, indieweb.
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gRegorLove Are sessions about to start in NYC?
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[chrisaldrich] I lost something just last week due to a /silo_deaths
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miklb is the stream back up?
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gRegorLove Don't think so. Haven't seen a new links.
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gRegorLove Chris is watching the archived introductions video
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miklb ah
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[chrisaldrich] playing catch up a bit... esp. since I'm on the west coast... though I think I did miss the fact that it wasn't live... thanks gRegorLove!
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[chrisaldrich] :slightly_smiling_face:
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aaronpk really tempted to make a way to upload the IRC logs as subtitles to the video archives
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gRegorLove Same, [chrisaldrich] :)
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gRegorLove tantek, GWG: FYI, it appears the screen-sharing doesn't come through on the stream, just shows the IWC logo. Video of the room is fine otherwise though.
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[chrisaldrich] suppose its the issue with waking up early for NY2 and then driving like crazy to get to DrupalCamp. Attending both today may kill me.
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gRegorLove Oh wow
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[chrisaldrich] I wanted to do some outreach for IWC LA in November.
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@dangillmor At @IndieWebCamp NYC... https://twitter.com/dangillmor/status/769590234820608000/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/769590234820608000)
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@aaronjorbin IndieWebCamp NYC group photo https://daily.jorb.in/2016/08/27/indiewebcamp-nyc-group-photo/ https://twitter.com/aaronjorbin/status/769591864454356992/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/769591864454356992)
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[larrykooper] test
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tantek master etherpad for this weekend's IndieWebCamp NYC: https://etherpad.indieweb.org/2016-NYC2
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gRegorLove Hi [larrykooper]
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tantek YouTube live with a hangout for room Tigger
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tantek URL: youtu.be/Z-QXKtLpuSc
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GWG http://youtu.be/H0Hq2NDdhEM - WInnie the Pooh room
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miklb is topic for winnie?
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gRegorLove /Chalice I think
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GWG Serverless AWS Lamba
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GWG Hi, gRegorLove
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GWG I set up the stream and it will stay live in both rooms all day
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GWG It can be cut later if we want.
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[chrisaldrich] i've updated /2016/NYC with the etherpad and livestream links
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gRegorLove Holy audio screech in Tigger.
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tantek how's the Tigger room video (and audio?)
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gRegorLove (Batman)
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GWG Is there a screech?
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gRegorLove Audio is good in Tigger
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@aaronjorbin IndieWebCamp NYC schedule  https://daily.jorb.in/2016/08/27/indiewebcamp-nyc-schedule/ https://twitter.com/aaronjorbin/status/769594731449847808/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/769594731449847808)
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gRegorLove It was the table being moved
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GWG There is a boundary microphone in each room
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GWG They pick up everything
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gRegorLove Tigger room: Fitbit charges you to get your data out
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gRegorLove Is Tigger the "noobie" session? Sounds like metrics
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@ChrisAldrich I'm at #DrupalCampLA today and happy to chat with anyone interested in #Indieweb ideas http://indieweb.org (twitter.com/_/status/769595454275198976)
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Loqi [indieweb] "I'm at #DrupalCampLA today and happy to chat with anyone interested in #Indieweb ideas http://indieweb.org" by Chris Aldrich on 2016-08-27 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/im-at-drupalcampla-today-and-happy-to-chat-with-anyone
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GWG We drifted
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gRegorLove I think those licenses are misunderstood a lot of the time.
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gRegorLove They sound aggressive, but it's basically a license for them to show your photos / posts to your friends on the social network.
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MSiep Is there a different IRC channel for the n00bie session? I've only found the Etherpad link so far.
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gRegorLove MSiep: Nope, we just use the main #indieweb
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miklb MSiep feel free to ask questions in here
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gRegorLove For more dev-specific talk we have #indieweb-dev, but notes and questions about IWC sessions can go in here.
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MSiep OK, thanks.
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gRegorLove tantek: Is there a photo of the session grid?
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miklb gRegorLove aaronjorbin posted one to twitter, scroll up to see the link
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sknebel gRegorLove: https://i1.wp.com/daily.jorb.in/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/img_3674.jpg?ssl=1
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gRegorLove Thanks!
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gRegorLove Anecdotally I've heard an increase in wix.com ads, probably going after squarespace users
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miklb I see them on TV a lot
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tantek gRegorLove: are you updating https://indieweb.org/2016/NYC2/Schedule ?
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gRegorLove Yeah
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tantek ok!
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gRegorLove I've heard them on podcasts, yes
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MSiep Which room is the n00bie session in?
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miklb tigger
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MSiep OK, thanks.
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gRegorLove newbie session is over though
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gRegorLove The up-to-date schedule is here: https://indieweb.org/2016/NYC2/Schedule#Saturday_2016-08-27
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[jorbin] Thanks gregorlove
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gRegorLove Did I hear mention of Xanga in Tigger?
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miklb can't really hear audio in Winnie
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tantek indieweb.org home page has no search?
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gRegorLove It's hidden by the new layout I think, tantek
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gRegorLove GWG: audio check in Winnie
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aaronpk oops! I should add that back
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tantek why? we just had someone look for it and be lost/disappointed it's not there
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tantek thank aaronpk
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aaronpk i think it got hidden because it was enclosed in some other stuff i was hiding
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[schmarty] gregorlove yes, Eric here lost (I think) 15 years of content on Xanga
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[schmarty] what is xanga?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "xanga" yet. Would you like to create it?_
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tantek is that capitalized?
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gRegorLove Wat. I thought it was there.
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gRegorLove What ix Xanga?
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gRegorLove What is Xanga?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Xanga" yet. Would you like to create it?
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gRegorLove Xanga is a blog hosting [[silo]] http://xanga.com
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Loqi ok
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tantek is Xanga not in site-deaths?
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tantek gRegorLove: are you looking at the Etherpads, or should I archive them to the wiki as sessions finish? e.g. https://etherpad.indieweb.org/n00bie is now done
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gRegorLove I'm linking them on the schedule as they show up
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tantek cool thank you
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gRegorLove Haven't gotten to creating session pages yet
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tantek I just created a couple for Demos and Building Blocks
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gRegorLove Welcome
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gRegorLove tantek: I don't see them in the main etherpad? I've got the first 2 session blocks linked though.
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tantek I believe they are being created as sessions start
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gRegorLove Right. You mentioned Demos and Building Block etherpads?
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aaronpk search box added back to home page
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tantek no etherpads for those since those were presentations, they're linked directly to wiki pages I created right after the fact
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gRegorLove Ohh, gotcha
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gRegorLove I love Goodreads as well, and the ability to set a yearly challenge for yourself, and share it with friends.
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aaronpk hey crazy idea
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gRegorLove e.g. my challenge: https://www.goodreads.com/user_challenges/3797244
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aaronpk my primary (only?) reason for not redirecting the wiki to https always was that a bunch of the pages hotlink http images
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aaronpk do any browsers actually block those images?
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tantek previous session about content / wanting to post https://indieweb.org/2015/Cambridge/thoughtpost
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tantek generic page on doing this more: https://indieweb.org/writing
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aaronpk if not, should we redirect the wiki to https before solving the mixed-warning images?
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gRegorLove Need to determine at what version the browsers started showing them. Older versions definitely didn't.
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gRegorLove But it doesn't sound like a bad idea.
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aaronpk i thought browsers used to just show a large warning about mixed-content images
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aaronpk last year chrome stopped showing the warning and the page just doesn't have the https mark anymore http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/10/chrome-finally-kills-off-the-http-https-mixed-content-warning/
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gRegorLove I thought IE blocked them, but maybe changed.
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KartikPrabhu I think it also depends on the users privacy/blocking settings in the browser
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gRegorLove Yeah, it's configurable per-browser. Only the default settings should be of concern though
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gRegorLove Either way, I don't think it's a horrible UX, so in general I'm in favor of doing it.
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gRegorLove Worst case some pages might not show a logo.
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aaronpk my main motivation is seeing the wiki login logs and seeing how often people keep logging in to it even though they're already logged in on the https site
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tantek gRegorLove: btw re: further etherpads, all the sessions have hashtags so you should be able to predict the etherpads :)
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gRegorLove Yep :)
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gRegorLove I'll wait till they're linked to be safe though. newbie/n00bie varied.
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rascul aaronpk for mixed content, firefox shows a gray lock and a yellow warning triangle where it would normally show a green lock
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aaronpk still shows the images right?
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rascul yes
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aaronpk looks like safari just doesn't show the lock icon
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rascul can't really fix it well though
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rascul or in some cases at all, unless images are stored and served locally over https
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aaronpk my plan was to make an image proxy service for the wiki
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aaronpk waiting until the upgrade tho because it will be diving into mediawiki guts
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rascul yeah that's what i was trying to say
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rascul is it worth it though? would it be hard to implement?
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aaronpk it's probably worth it
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aaronpk i had a reasonable start to it, but it wasn't working with some of the fancy template includes
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gRegorLove tantek: Someone there mentioned Xanga and losing archives. I documented what I'm seeing currently for archives on /Xanga, so maybe that helps. Or maybe they can add their experience if it doesn't work.
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GWG aaronpk: Comment: No webmention form on the NYC2 page
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tantek GWG, there's more than one NYC2 page, gotta be more specific ;)
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GWG The Registration one
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gRegorLove Per the note about discovering NYC2 from NYC2, I'm adding the IndiewebCamp template to the footer of those pages.
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gRegorLove s/from NYC2/from NYC1/
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aaronpk Speaking of https, here's another example of how it can go wrong https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20160825/12181835347/certificate-authority-gave-out-certs-github-to-someone-who-just-had-github-account.shtml
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[jorbin] my RSVP (which didn’t seem to work) https://daily.jorb.in/2016/08/19/im-attending-indiewebcamp-nyc/
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Loqi [jorbin] I’m attending IndieWebCamp NYC
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[jorbin] loqi: Me too!! :stuck_out_tongue:
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gRegorLove Haha, Pingback Czar
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Loqi gRegorLove: lol
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aaronpk [jorbin] if you send the webmention manually and look at the response it will tell you things
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aaronpk a webmention form on the page would make that easier :-)
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aaronpk But if you visit the webmention endpoint there's a form there http://2016.indieweb.org/webmention.php
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[jorbin] aaronpk yah, a webmention form likely would help. I sent a pingback automatically
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[jorbin] perhaps auto converting pingbacks into webmentions?
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aaronpk Ah yea I should add that. webmention.io has a thing for that
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cmal aaronpk: I read your comment on Github
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[jorbin] "Your post doesn't seem to have an in-reply-to property"
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GWG aaronpk: I mentioned that.
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aaronpk [jorbin] cool! I'm sure someone there can walk you through it. Basically you need the microformats2 markup for an rsvp in your post
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aaronpk http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdaily.jorb.in%2F2016%2F08%2F19%2Fim-attending-indiewebcamp-nyc%2F
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aaronpk looks like everything is there except the in-reply-to link
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[jorbin] aaronpk yep. Talking through that and also updating the wiki to make it clearer as we speak
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cmal and I don't really know where we can go from there, if everything's stateless and all you have is a cache, unless it's a long-lived cache it's going to be useless to store the pinned certificate (or whatever) as one would just have to wais for the cache to die before asking for a plaintext login, so I don't know
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aaronpk Awesome
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aaronpk cmal: it is redis so I can cache it for a long time but you might end up on the other server when you come back which wouldn't have the setting, maybe that's okay.
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GWG gRegorLove: You are owed a beer
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gRegorLove Haha
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cmal oh it's not even a shared cache? then don't even bother (sorry I thought you were saying the cache was the only data shared between instances)
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gRegorLove Gotta help out the fellow Xangans :_
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gRegorLove :)
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cmal I guess like I said on Github the question is more about HTTPS within the IndieWeb movement as a whole than about HTTPS in IndieAuth in particular
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GWG gRegorLove is identified as Amazing!!
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cmal as long as it's considered acceptable practice for an Indieweb page to have no HTTPS available, then there's not much we can do about it :-/
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gRegorLove Glad to help. Thanks.
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cmal gRegorLove: sorry I quit the other day (my charger died), yes I do self-host some stuff (mostly e-mail, pads, and kanboards)
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cmal my blog used to be hosted at home but then I didn't really have a home anymore so it became easier to just pay a few bucks for a VPS
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cmal is going away to *make* pizzas <3
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rascul what is pizza?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "pizza" yet. Would you like to create it?
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gRegorLove Telegraph is a webmention sending service
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tantek steers rascul to #indiechat :P
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gRegorLove Childcare needs are a pertinent one for indieweb, since we had requests for that at the summit this year
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gRegorLove s/indieweb/indieweb rsvps/
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gRegorLove Loqi?
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miklb that feature hasn't been restored yet
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gRegorLove gives Loqi the feature
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Loqi steps on the feature
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gRegorLove Rude
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miklb ++ for wiki edits in -dev keeps this channel much easier to follow
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gRegorLove http://gregorlove.com/2016/08/indiebirdcamp/
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Loqi [gRegor Morrill] http://gregorlove.com/site/assets/files/3856/img_20160827_123536.750x0-is.jpgIndieBirdCamp #indieweb
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@gRegorLove IndieBirdCamp #indieweb https://twitter.com/gRegorLove/status/769623851260977152/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/769623851260977152)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on My Indieweb swag arrived! by jane_sumergrade_webster" by jane_sumergrade_webster on 2016-08-27 http://boffosocko.com/2016/08/25/my-indieweb-swag-arrived/#comment-31857
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gRegorLove Can vouch: the bird is weird
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GWG I'm launching my own.
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GWG Indiewebrock
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GWG My Pet Rock's Site
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rascul indieweb.rocks?
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rascul you might need another rock
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gRegorLove What is endorsement?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "endorsement" yet. Would you like to create it?
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gRegorLove What is endorsements?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "endorsements" yet. Would you like to create it?
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GWG indorsement, not endorsement
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gRegorLove What is LinkedIn?
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Loqi LinkedIn is a special-purpose silo for hosting your professional resume, history, and contacts https://indieweb.org/LinkedIn
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gRegorLove What is Makerbase?
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Loqi Makerba.se is a silo for listing projects that you have made https://indieweb.org/Makerbase
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gRegorLove Yep.
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gRegorLove What was ThinkUp?
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Loqi ThinkUp was a silo that analyzed activity on social networks like Facebook and Twitter https://indieweb.org/ThinkUp
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mlncn Is there anything on https://indieweb.org about how an indieweb site cand and should encourage people to share its content?
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tantek what is licensing?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/licensing
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tantek what is disclaimer?
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Loqi A disclosure is a bit of content, typically on a home page, on an indie web site that proactively discloses some aspect about the site that the site owner wants the user to explicitly be aware of https://indieweb.org/disclaimer
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mlncn https://indieweb.org/share has nothing .. ah, constructive
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@aswath Seeking advice @indiewebcamp re https://t.co/c0zM5rh0JT. Any pointers on BCP on ops of self-hosting a server (twitter.com/_/status/769629674154627072)
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[kevinmarks] What are web actions?
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Loqi A web action is the interface and user experience of taking a specific discrete action, across the web, from one site to another site or application https://indieweb.org/Web_Actions
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[kevinmarks] There you are @mlncn
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mlncn tantek: Licensing to encourage sharing? People rightly assume they can share links and excerpts without ah, license, looking for tools
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mlncn Ah! Thank you, that is more promising
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gRegorLove tantek: Are you dumping any etherpads currently? I can start on that if not.
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miklb fwiw I believe endorse is also a correct spelling
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tantek gRegorLove: not dumping the pads, just links to
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tantek because dumping the etherpads usually requires some cleanup to go from plaintext/etherpad -> Mediawiki
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tantek creating pages for the few photos I've remembered to take
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@LarryKooper Great #Indiewebcamp session today. Thank you to all! (twitter.com/_/status/769631562098966529)
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tantek gRegorLove: go for it!
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gRegorLove Meetup.com has something like participation assertion where you get to say "Good to see you" after an event
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gRegorLove I don't think it notifies the person. I think it's just used by meetup.com to gauge how many actually showed up.
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gRegorLove What is Meetup.com?
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Loqi Meetup.com is a proprietary website for to meet people in your local community who share your interests https://indieweb.org/meetup.com
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mlncn Making sure the http://drutopia.org initiative is cognizant of the IndieWeb solutions it will need, https://gitlab.com/drutopia/drutopia-distribution/issues/4 - Thanks KevinMarks!
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gRegorLove What is Drutopia?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Drutopia" yet. Would you like to create it?
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mlncn ooh
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gRegorLove mlncn: You can add a one-senntence definition by answering "Drutopia is ___"
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mlncn yes thanks logging in ... and thinking of that sentence...
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gRegorLove I meant in IRC. Don't even have to log in to the wiki :)
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gRegorLove But only for 10 minutes after the ask.
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mlncn Drutopia is an initiative within the Drupal community to make the Drupal 8 content management framework a viable and excellent web technology solution for grassroots groups. Participants combine the principles of software freedom, community ownership, and intersectional politics to co-develop technologies that meet the needs and reflect the values of people working for liberation.
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Loqi ok
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gRegorLove Cool!
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mlncn gRegorLove: Thank you for clarifying with the "only for 10 minutes" because that's the first time i really understood that it would be recorded, so managed to type in complete and nearly coherent sentences!
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gRegorLove What is Drutopia?
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Loqi Drutopia is an initiative within the Drupal community to make the Drupal 8 content management framework a viable and excellent web technology solution for grassroots groups https://indieweb.org/Drutopia
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gRegorLove Loqi answers up to the first period.
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gRegorLove But it's all on the wiki
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mlncn Cool
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mlncn will not use twelve semicolons in a row.
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gRegorLove Haha
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Loqi hehe
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gRegorLove Sometimes commas get abused to get it all in. :)
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gRegorLove You can also manually add a <span class="p-summary"></span> if it really needs a longer dfn.
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gRegorLove So this last session is IndieMark, right?
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[schmarty] gregorlove yep. we are wrapping up now.
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gRegorLove Byeee, NYC2 Day 1
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[jorbin] heading to Top Hops for a beer after day 1. http://tophops.com/ 6 train down to spring and then walk
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@iamjessklein Love this #indiewebcamp hack #makedatayours https://www.instagram.com/p/BJoKyqcDvx4/ (twitter.com/_/status/769651997595275264)
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gRegorLove Archived the etherpads to the wiki. The #indiewp etherpad was empty, so I presume no notes unless a different one was used.
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sknebel gRegorLove++
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Loqi gregorlove has 78 karma (66 in this channel)
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[tantek] Thanks gregorlove! Yes the last session was very much discussion of /IndieMark and how WordPress (with plugins) could support various IndieMark features and levels.
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