#indieweb 2016-08-28

2016-08-28 UTC
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on My Indieweb swag arrived! by _putbus" by _putbus on 2016-08-27 http://boffosocko.com/2016/08/25/my-indieweb-swag-arrived/#comment-31866
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@oSoftDev Excellent progress so far this weekend! Still 1 more night left! #indieweb #webdev https://twitter.com/DataC5155/status/769718479486353408 (twitter.com/_/status/769718915656220672)
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GWG Finally home
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tantek only about 30 min ago for me
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miklb GWG how do you think day one went?
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GWG tantek, it was a long trip
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GWG I enjoyed it.
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miklb w00t. figured out how to write the repsonse from bridgy to Jekyll _data file. Means I should be able to add u-syndicate links to micropub notes
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miklb notes syndicated to Twitter without a link in the note
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GWG I think I just found the settings I was looking for.
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GWG IWC NYC2 is up and running
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larry_k testing
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miklb morning
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Loqi good morning
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larry_k https://www.amazon.com/dp/1886363307/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=321S5JNGRJGBD&coliid=I1M4JCXFLRXBVP
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larry_k The Phelps Stokes book
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[schmarty] looking at resources for embeddeding 360 images and videos
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[schmarty] GWG pointed me at https://developers.google.com/vr/concepts/vrview
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ChrisAldrich Good morning campers!
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larry_k good morning
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miklb I"m excited to finish the project I started last night
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ChrisAldrich miklb: what were you hacking on last night?
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miklb ChrisAldrich adding u-syndication links to my syndicated notes to Twitter via bridgy. Which isn't as easy as it sounds with static files :)
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ChrisAldrich miklb There's a reason I'm not running a static site :)
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miklb which will allow me to post notes without a link to the post in the note
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miklb and get backfeed
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miklb ChrisAldrich ha!
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miklb I should add, the key for me was figuring out how to do all of that without manually editing the files.
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Loqi definitely
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miklb Loqi knows what's up
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tantek Good morning from IndieWebCamp NYC2!
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ChrisAldrich I do find that doing things manually for a while helps me to refine what I want the workflow to be.
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ChrisAldrich If there are any WordPress initiates who need help, let me know and I'll do my best from Los Angeles
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tantek GWG is setting up a hangout for collaborative creating / hacking
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GWG https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/shanske.com/indiewebcamphackday
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tantek aaronpk - I noticed that we lost the "Next IndieWebCamp" header with the new homepage design (or maybe new wiki theme?)
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aaronpk We lost that with the new wiki theme. It was horribly hacked in to the previous theme
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larry_k the quiet sound of hacking
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GWG Click Clack
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miklb clickity clack
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@t IndieWebCamp NYC2 day 2 is off to a quiet creative start. Sounds: AC humming, keys clicking, occassionally furiously. (ttk.me t4j11) (twitter.com/_/status/769922497231720449)
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Loqi [indieweb] "One of the things I still find challenging is posting photos. May try some posting / coding iteration today. #indieweb" on 2016-08-28 http://tantek.com/2016/241/t2/challenging-posting-photos-iteration
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@t One of the things I still find challenging is posting photos. May try some posting / coding iteration today. #indieweb (ttk.me t4j12) (twitter.com/_/status/769923494431772672)
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@miklb Hello #indiewebcamp hack day. Looking forward to seeing what everyone is building. This is part of a test from an undisclosed location :-) (twitter.com/_/status/769926493224919040)
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GWG miklb: Preparing your bunker?
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miklb indeed. Especially with these failed tests
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ChrisAldrich I want a bunker that still has internet access after the attack...
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ChrisAldrich What is feature creep?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "feature creep" yet. Would you like to create it?
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miklb what is scope
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Loqi In OAuth terminology, scope is a way to limit what parts of your account are accessible by third-party applications https://indieweb.org/scope
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cmal https://unixcorn.org/ ← if you need free-price hosting services, we just brought the new homepage up. there will be some tweaking and the site will be also available in English in a few days :)
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aaronpk Good morning!
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cmal (data cloud is provided by Nextcloud, social network by Known)
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aaronpk I hope to be joining the remote hacking in a little bit! Also happy to help people with Micropub/IndieAuth questions!
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cmal aaronpk: should voice considerations be documented on /IRC, /irc-people (FAQ section) or /Loqi ?
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tantek cmal, /IRC
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cmal k
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tantek jorbin, review? https://indieweb.org/IndieMark#Level_2_posting_UI
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cmal (ah there's already something about it indeed)
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[jorbin] tantek: LGTM
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cmal aaronpk: "Proposed feature: (work involved to complete: unknown)" ← should I remove this part from the Voice section of /IRC, given that the feature is now fully operational?
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aaronpk 👍
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cmal I left it for the moment but I may remove it as well
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cmal (sorry, can't read your emoji)
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cmal (okay thanks Google for translating the emoji for me :D)
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aaronpk lol no emoji support in your IRC client?
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cmal done
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cmal nope I usually run Hexchat or irssi (depending on where I am)
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aaronpk thanks
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cmal also I don't really get what this emoji trend is all about
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aaronpk ah yeah in the terminal I don't have emoji in wee chat but it shows up in the web client fine
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cmal I mean I've been writing smileys ever since I was on the Interwebz and I've never needed a huge icon set to do it in my stead
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cmal ;-)
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cmal (also, textual emojis are usually neutral in terms of racial/gender considerations, which I really admire given all the whiteness in modern emojis)
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aaronpk 🏃🏿 to #indiechat
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cmal ^^
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larry_k Do indieweb peeps ever edit/revise their posts after posting them? (Kind of a follow-up from yesterday's discussion of draft/ under construction posts)
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cmal larry_k: yes, and you're supposed to resend your webmentions (/salmentions) to let others know it's been edited
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cmal so that for instance if you wrote a reply to someone's post, their website may know that your comment has been updated and update it in the comment section of the original post as well
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larry_k thanks cmal
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cmal larry_k: salmentions are for the case of nested interactions (like replying to a reshare of an article), see https://indieweb.org/salmentions
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larry_k thanks
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miklb I'm assuming everyone is hangout and not using IRC today?
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larry_k https://s3.amazonaws.com/lenwich/147187900157bb1759db452.pdf
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[emmah] hi
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tantek hello emmah!
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tantek we're ordering lunch via IR
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tantek s/IR/IRC
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GWG Lunch order(yes, this is on topic): I would like a fishwich, hold the slaw and kettle chips. Add fries, and a side of tartar sauce for dipping(the fries). I would like a 20oz diet coke for caffeination purposes, I would like my fishwich on a club roll. I would also like a single black and white cookie for later. If they are out of cookies, their most generic muffin(bran, corn, blueberry)
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[emmah] acknowledging receipt
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miklb wasn't hungry until now
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larry_k we could order lunch via infrared
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larry_k like a remote control
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cmal wants to order food through IRC, too (as long as it's vegan)
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cmal (you do deliveries to Paris, right? ;))
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[schmarty] wahoo, i have panorama embeds working on my site
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[schmarty] http://mmg.re/4j1FfE
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Loqi [Marty McGuire] https://martymcgui.re/assets/posts/2016/08/28/114014/R0010079_20160827134454.JPGA nice 360 photo of the nice folks in the Content session on day one of IndieWebCamp NYC2...
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tantek fishwich on hero please!
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[schmarty] starts as an image, javascript upgrades to google's vrview embed in an iframe after page load
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[emmah] roger that!
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cmal schmarty++ nice feature :)
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Loqi schmarty has 2 karma
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[schmarty] https://github.com/google/vrview
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[jorbin] emmah: Bello Melt, no Balsamic Dressing on a Hero, Side of Fries. Large Fresh Iced Tea
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larry_k schmarty shift-option-8
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larry_k 360°
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cmal [schmarty]: is there any actual Google depedency? I don't see any requests to Google in my web console
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cmal (ah okay it's Google tech imported as a minified JS, right?)
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sknebel [schmarty]: what kind of camera do you use for those?
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cmal sknebel: for such things you can use pretty much any sort of camera, usually aggregation of picture is just a piece of algorithm
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miklb holy baloney!! It is working.
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miklb \_O_/
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@miklb Consider this my successful unmanned #indieweb note. Automated u-syndication links to static Jekyll notes from brid.gy. Kludgy but working. (twitter.com/_/status/769955702362157056)
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cmal miklb++
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larry_k sknebel he used a Ricoh Theta camera
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sknebel larry_k: thanks
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aaronpk ooh how do you like that camera? I've had my eye on it
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miklb I should add I'm using Quill/micropub to create the notes, so I'm not actually "touching" Jekyll
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voxpelli miklb++
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miklb voxpelli thanks. This has been a big itch. Takes a 2nd trip through Travis to get the link onto the site, but I'm pretty stoked to figure it out
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voxpelli really nice
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miklb the cool thing about storing the whole Tweet object in a data file is I can enhance the post with more data if I want to. Location, etc
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miklb bridgy++
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aaronpk whoa
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aaronpk tantek++ for https://indieweb.org/Instagram#Single_Photo_Bookmarklet
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tantek aaronpk, did you try it?
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aaronpk yep
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tantek so it worked for you? in which browser(s)?
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aaronpk chrome
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tantek nice! I hadn't tested that yet :)
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tantek if you CASSIS auto_link the output of that bookmarklet, it will embed the photo and link it to the IG page
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[schmarty] cmal: it's a google project, but i'm hosting the HTML/CSS/JS and loading image on my site.
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aaronpk hah
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[schmarty] i'm using the Ricoh Theta S. it is interesting and different from using other digital cameras. i have had the best results from using its tripod mount to put it on a selfie stick and using the android app to trigger it over wifi.
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[schmarty] the app and wifi connection can be flaky at times, but overall it works well.
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[schmarty] i haven't had much success with video, yet, but images seem to work well. the app automatically downloads each one to my phone.
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[schmarty] the files are quite large, unfortunately. ~4mb.
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[schmarty] aaronpk: does quill have an upload size limit? i got a size limit error in the js console when posting from quill to my site and wasn't sure if they was on my server's side or on quill's side.
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aaronpk ah is that what that was? I tried uploading a panorama yesterday from my phone and it wasn't working
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[schmarty] hmm. not finding anything about panoramas, 360 photos, or photospheres on the wiki. am i missing something? would this be a good topic for the wiki?
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aaronpk if it's something you publish on your website it's a good topic for the wiki!
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tantek we have /photo and /multi-photo
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[kevinmarks] What is a panorama?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "panorama" yet. Would you like to create it?
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[schmarty] maybe a section on the /photo page makes sense
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aaronpk certainly a fine place to start
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Loqi [indieweb] "Instagram Single Photo Bookmarklet" by Chris Aldrich on 2016-08-28 http://boffosocko.com/2016/08/28/instagram-single-photo-bookmarklet/
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@ChrisAldrich Instagram Single Photo Bookmarklet https://t.co/pzKQzEnN7X #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/769974888840957952)
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sknebel http://markapp.io/ - interesting framing of the difficulty of using JS: JS libraries that work without explictly writing JS code are useable by more people, since HTML+CSS knowledge is more widespread
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sknebel (although the site itself is an example of "JS for pure text content"...)
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[schmarty] i went small with the panoramas bit. i simply documented my use of them in the examples section of /photo
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[schmarty] https://indieweb.org/photo#Marty_McGuire
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tantek has anyone considered clustering sequential photo posts in their home page stream?
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@chriskrycho I’ve created an archive of this tweet-storm at http://www.chriskrycho.com/2016/08-28-1525.html Why? Because it’s important to own our content. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/769981052186161152)
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aaronpk I suppose I had considered it but dismissed it early on
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aaronpk if I wanted photos to be clustered I would make an album post instead
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tantek that requires more thinking
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aaronpk I often have unrelated photos in a sequence on my home page and I don't want them to cluster in a way that implies they are related
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tantek my use-case is I want sometimes I want to post a bunch (a ton?) of photos and not worry that it would be "filling up" my homepage or stream etc.
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larry_k is there a list someplace (like on indieweb.org) of personal sites, to compare and get ideas etc. from?
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tantek I don't really like the way FB clusters it
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tantek larry_k /irc-people is likely the closest
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larry_k thanks
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aaronpk Ah yeah the "dump lots of photos" problem i can relate to
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tantek aaronpk, I wonder if such auto-clustering can depend on some sort of "interesting" hashtags in common
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aaronpk That'd be interesting
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tantek e.g. if the photos share a hashtag which is used in <10% of photo posts, then cluster them
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tantek that way if they really were "unrelated" photos, they wouldn't get clustered
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[jorbin] Pretty early itteration, but here is a calculator for IndieMark score. https://aaronjorbin.github.io/indiemark-score/
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miklb going to have to catch demos on re-runs, but hope everyone has a productive day. Thanks everyone for the positive vibes. viva la IndieWeb
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[schmarty] thanks, miklb!
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tantek thanks miklb!
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GWG http://youtu.be/JOrfr8fDtg8
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on Instagram Single Photo Bookmarklet by shyduroff" by shyduroff on 2016-08-28 http://boffosocko.com/2016/08/28/instagram-single-photo-bookmarklet/#comment-31882
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aaronpk http://i.imgur.com/17XJYnn.png nooo
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tantek Aaron is now demoing
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tantek his IndieMark score calculator
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tantek walking through checkboxes for IndieMark levels 1-4
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tantek next to add for this is the ability to share your score
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tantek and some kind of saving mechanism
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@t IndieWebCamp NYC2 demos live-stream: https://www.youtube.com/ (ttk.me t4j16) (twitter.com/_/status/769990817213800448)
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tantek so that the next time it remembers
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tantek next up
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tantek Marty
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gRegorLove Audio is a bit quiet
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tantek I have panoramic photo
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tantek (previous demo is publicly at https://aaronjorbin.github.io/indiemark-score/ )
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gRegorLove Audio better. Thanks
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tantek Marty: This starts out as a normal photo post with an image tag
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tantek but my backend looks at the EXIF data to see if it is a panorama
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tantek and if so, injects some javascript to enable a panning viewer
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gRegorLove That's really cool!
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tantek also added it to the wiki
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GWG I'm just annoyed his new backend shows my backend
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tantek https://indieweb.org/photos#Marty_McGuire
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tantek also a side thing
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tantek I have a podcast
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tantek wehavetoask.com
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tantek started with an h-card and rel-me links to Twitter, FB
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tantek linking to a FB page and having it link back isn't picked up
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tantek possibly because FB doesn't put your outgoing links on a page
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tantek I haven't seen a lot of organizations doing things with h-cards, and I'm intersted seeing how that works with authorship
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tantek Emma
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tantek I did make good progress on some writing
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tantek The question to answer is What Matters Most To You and Why
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tantek Larry
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tantek I switched the hosting of my website from Squarespace to Godaddy
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tantek in the past - bookmarking
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tantek I was a fan of the delicious site
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tantek but it didn't do somethings I wanted
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tantek so I built my own
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tantek This is a public site but there's no sign-in link
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GWG I am once again proposing Chromecasts be standard issue at IWC/HWC
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tantek Larry: my shared site with my wife: marybeth.nyc
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tantek publicly readable, privately writeable
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tantek bookmarklet for posting to my site
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tantek e.g. I can go to Indieweb.org
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tantek click the bookmarklet
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tantek it opens the posting form with everything filled in
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tantek I can post it
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tantek and then you can see it on the site, posted like delicious 15 years ago
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tantek [maybe 10?]
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tantek now Tantek demoing
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sknebel improved photo posting flow
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[schmarty] tantek posts photos from ipod touch to instagram because the ui is fairly convenient, including location and person tagging
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[schmarty] previous flow: browses to photo on instagram website, copy-pastes permalink into new post, copy-pastes caption, inspects source for the jpg URL to download and scp to server.
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[schmarty] got rid of half the steps by writing a new bookmarklet
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[schmarty] on any single instagram post page, clicking the bookmarklet opens an alert with text to copy and paste. includes image url, permalink, and caption all at once.
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ChrisAldrich The bookmarklet script is available at /Instagram#Single_Photo_Bookmarklet
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[schmarty] bookmarklet is named "copy IG note"
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[schmarty] beat me to it, chrisaldrich :}
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ChrisAldrich yes
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ChrisAldrich Mostly I did it because I wanted to make a draggable button
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gRegorLove That's like a new version of tanteking. Blogging before it's on the wiki :)
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ChrisAldrich should be draggable without clicking...
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ChrisAldrich Technically Tantek had it on the wiki first, but I like the verb Tanteking.
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ChrisAldrich What is tanteking?
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Loqi Tantek-ing is a method of encouraging people to contribute to the wiki by indirectly prompting the person who first mentioned the term to create a short wiki dfn page for it https://indieweb.org/tanteking
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ChrisAldrich What is clustering?
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Loqi notifications in the context of the IndieWeb refer to all forms and ways that an independent web site can receive a message indicating something of interest (server notifications), and potentially relay that information (preferably in realtime) to one or more devices used by the owner of that site (client notifications) https://indieweb.org/clustering
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gRegorLove I like the snapping.
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larry_k The source for my Bookmarks web site https://github.com/larrykooper/bookmarks
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gRegorLove snaps
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sknebel oh, snapping. That explains why my ears weren't falling off
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tantek gRegorLove: yes I published it by adding it to the wiki. That was how aaronpk and Chris noticed it :)
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larry_k The URL for bookmarks http://marybeth.nyc/bookmarks/homepage.php
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tantek up next
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tantek GWG
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tantek webmention handler
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tantek rewrote it
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tantek so far what I have working that I can show is error checking
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tantek but entire base is there so I can start putting in code that does something
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tantek but also some santiation and validation
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ChrisAldrich Actually super exciting, but with the payoff later... :)
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GWG ChrisAldrich: I'll keep you posted
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tantek and that's it for IWC NYC2 demos!
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tantek now for camp cleanup
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gRegorLove Nice work, everyone at NYC2!
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ChrisAldrich Thanks GWG, Tantek, and Emma for a great camp /2016/NYC2!
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@t And that’s a wrap for IndieWebCamp 2016 NYC2! Several here want to (re)start a Homebrew Website Club NYC. Stay tuned. (ttk.me t4j17) (twitter.com/_/status/770001163685158912)
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tantek captured my brainstorming for photo clustering here: https://indieweb.org/photo_brainstorming#Clustering
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gRegorLove tantek: Added this, thought it might help streamline the etherpad note-taking (and dumping to wiki, a bit): https://indieweb.org/Etherpad#How_to_take_notes_during_IndieWebCamp
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tantek gRegorLove++ yes that should help a lot!
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Loqi gregorlove has 82 karma (67 in this channel)
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tantek I've also been adding session start time and names+URLs for participants
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tantek but this is a great start!
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tantek perhaps add to /IndieWebCamp (in the How to run an indiewebcamp section) ?
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cmal good night everyone :)
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Loqi night night
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aaronpk gRegorLove: I added your text as the template for new etherpads, so that's populated in new documents by default now!
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gRegorLove Hey sweet
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aaronpk should make it even easier :)
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@huffduffer ☞ Indieweb 2016 NYC2 Hack Day Demos https://huffduffer.com/bret/355324 (twitter.com/_/status/770033180606885888)
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@ChrisAldrich Saw @jenlampton at #DrupalCampLA yesterday and I'm thinking that @backdropcms might be a great user-friendly platform w/ #indieweb in mind. (twitter.com/_/status/770033320696639489)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Saw @jenlampton at #DrupalCampLA yesterday and I'm thinking that @backdropcms might be a great user-friendly platform w/ #indieweb in mind." by Chris Aldrich on 2016-08-28 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/saw-jenlampton-at-drupalcampla-yesterday-and-im-thinking-that-backdropcms
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GWG Just emailed pfefferle
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GWG Wanted him to have a look at the stuff I was working on.
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aaronpk Nice
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aaronpk You inspired me to contact barnaby about getting multiple people set up to sign releases of php-mf2 so I did just now
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GWG aaronpk, how so? Because both pfefferle and barnaby are busy with life stuff?