#indieweb 2016-08-30

2016-08-30 UTC
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mblaney aaronpk: I also "upgrade" source to u-url. should probably check that the domain isn't changing too.
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mblaney actually the domain can change (for bridgy) so I guess I'll be leaving it as is.
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aaronpk Should probably whitelist Bridgy for that
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aaronpk otherwise anyone can impersonate or override comments
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mblaney yeah good point.
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KevinMarks So would our model of protocols here count as microservices?
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GWG Hi, KevinMarks
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KevinMarks Hi gwg
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GWG How did it go with Dan?
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cweiske_ !tell jeena why is the "digikam" reply a mention on your site and not a reply? https://jeena.net/notes/754
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [Jeena] I would pay for a (open source) software like this which I can run on my computer, most of my photos never get published but I still want auto tags on them....
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aaronpk I'm guessing something having to do with not parsing the microformats on the page. What's the permalink for the comment?
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KevinMarks_ So dangillmor.me worked as an indieweb friendly clone, now getting to get dangillmor.com up and having dns and cert lags
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KevinMarks_ Also, import/export is a pain in the arse, as it times out
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GWG KevinMarks_: Still work to be done.
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KevinMarks_ I had to make 5 exports to get all the posts
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GWG KevinMarks_: They are working on an update to that.
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[kevinmarks] Spiderpig is quicker
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KevinMarks_ Ah, the media has gone astray too. Bugger
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cweiske aaronpk, could Loqi send mails about mentions? I don't like that I have to visit the chat, type a dummy line to see if there were mentions
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KevinMarks Got the media back, but now posts' titles are invisible. Looks like post kinds defaulted to note - is that hiding titles?
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KevinMarks How do I bulk change them?
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Jeena cweiske, I guess it's a bug somewhere in my code or the mf2-ruby parser, I do have this line in my code self.kind = "reply" if entry.respond_to? :in_reply_to which should mark it as a reply but somehow it doesn't right now
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Loqi Jeena: tantek left you a message 3 weeks, 1 day ago: are you hosting a HWC this week? Can you update the venue here? https://indieweb.org/events/2016-08-10-homebrew-website-club#Where
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Loqi Jeena: tantek left you a message 1 week, 1 day ago: can you confirm a venue for your HWC this week? https://indieweb.org/events/2016-08-24-homebrew-website-club#Where
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Loqi Jeena: cweiske_ left you a message 4 hours, 14 minutes ago: why is the "digikam" reply a mention on your site and not a reply? https://jeena.net/notes/754
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Jeena I should also start with the HWCs now that I'm back from vaccation again
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cweiske Jeena, is there a public test instance for the ruby microformats2 lib?
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Jeena I don't think so
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Jeena but it's a good idea
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cweiske https://github.com/indieweb/microformats2-ruby/issues/39 would also help
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Jeena but in which format? perhaps JSON?
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Jeena although that doesn't really help much, but perhaps as a ruby object representation somehow
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cweiske ruby objects would suffice I think, JSON would help to compare it to other parser outputs
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cweiske it would be a fast way to debug problems
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Jeena yeah
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Jeena perhaps I'll have the time to do it some time in the future, then I'll add it, bit it'll take some time, lots of things going on
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KartikPrabhu Jeena: the mf2py test sites output in JSON type formatting for browser vieweing
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Jeena https://github.com/indieweb/microformats2-ruby/issues/39#issuecomment-243374450
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Jeena https://gist.github.com/jeena/ac4684f337a5fd1dce8c862397529fe9 looks like it's a bug in my code
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Jeena interestingly the name property is empty in the ruby version
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cweiske I don't explicitly have p-name listed in the classes
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cweiske others imply p-name from the author value
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Jeena yeah
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cweiske http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats-2-implied-properties
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Loqi microformats2 implied properties
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cweiske Jeena, I've opened https://github.com/indieweb/microformats2-ruby/issues/40 for this
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Jeena great :)
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@cmal_PP https://unixcorn.org a maintenant des tags #OpenGraph, #TwitterCards et #Microformats ! #Indieweb cc @unixcornproject (twitter.com/_/status/770601140392112129)
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aaronpk cweiske: email notifications are an interesting idea! I'll think about that
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KevinMarks Gwg, how does post kinds story the kind, and how do I get rid of them?
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KevinMarks The default was set to note, so when I imported the old posts it made them all notes (ie didn't do post type detection)
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KevinMarks And now their titles are all hidden
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KevinMarks I deactivated post kinds to get titles back
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ChrisAldrich kevinmarks: the post kind "note" does hide the title. Go to yoursite.com/wp-admin/edit.php?kind=note to find them all and you can use the bulk actions to switch them to article (or other types) as necessary.
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ChrisAldrich may take a few passes depending on number of posts. you could probably do it all in SQL if necessary too.
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ChrisAldrich (I'm presuming you're still helping with Dan's WordPress install from yesterday, btw.)
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[kevinmarks] There are ~280 posts so a sql query would be better, but post-meta is a bit opaque
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[kevinmarks] Hm to dev?
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gRegorLove Good morning, indieweb.
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gRegorLove aaronpk, cweiske: or opt-in webmentions for Loqi tells!
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gRegorLove Guess that wouldn't work for #indiechat
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aaronpk hmm
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aaronpk what is a notification?
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Loqi notifications in the context of the IndieWeb refer to all forms and ways that an independent web site can receive a message indicating something of interest (server notifications), and potentially relay that information (preferably in realtime) to one or more devices used by the owner of that site (client notifications) https://indieweb.org/notification
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aaronpk Do many people get notifications of home page webmentions right now? I kind of thought that was a relatively under implemented feature
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gRegorLove Probably not many. That's why I was thinking opt-in somehow.
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gRegorLove Alternately, the opt-in process could let them specify a URL
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gRegorLove So it could just be a regular note post
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aaronpk Specify a URL of what?
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Zegnat webmentions for !tell do sound more indieweby than email
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gRegorLove Where to send the webmention
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[kevinmarks] Known sends an email
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gRegorLove I guess that's extra work for the logs... so probably not feasible.
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snarfed aaronpk gRegorLove: https://github.com/bear/indie-stats could maybe tell us the fraction of people that support homepage wms? cc bear
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snarfed but yeah, this may be verging on overkill. if people want more than a tell, they can message, send homepage wms, or whatever themselves
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aaronpk homepage webmention sounds straightforward for the logs since the logs already have a permalink to send from
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aaronpk just not sure how useful that would actually be for people
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[kevinmarks] You mean when someone @'s you in chat?
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[kevinmarks] Loqi !tell sending a homepage webmention would make some kind of sense
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aaronpk Just !tell for now but could extend to all mentions
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[kevinmarks] This makes me realise that naively sending them for every url will be very annoying with h-card urls
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[kevinmarks] A naive webmention sender given a chat snippet sending one to each person in the discussion
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[kevinmarks] The indiewebify one is smarter than that, I assume.
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ChrisAldrich kevinmarks: GWG will be a better resource for an SQL query fix for the 280 posts as post meta might throw me as well given the set up.
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tantek "Gmail is temporarily unable to access your Contacts. You may experience issues while this persists. Learn more"
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tantek Learn more links to https://support.google.com/mail/answer/148779?hl=en&rd=1
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tantek I'm getting a Contacts error
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tantek "Gmail is temporarily unable to access your contacts" / If you see this error message, your contacts are temporarily unavailable. You might not be able to use Google Contacts, Chat, or Hangouts. We're working to fix the problem.
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tantek Email a contact / You can still send messages to a contact in Gmail by typing their full email address.
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ChrisAldrich aaronpk: WordPress accepts webmentions of the front page from brid.gy. According to GWG, there's a filter for redirecting them, but I haven't gotten around to setting it up. I usually manually move them to an site/mentions page occasionally... I find them pretty useful though.
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KevinMarks Is this a js off problem? If you go to contacts.google.com can you see them?
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snarfed ChrisAldrich: whoa, since when? my wp site doesn't accept homepage wms, and i think my plugin is up to date.
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ChrisAldrich It's been a few months I think... or at least any time someone @mentions me on twitter, I get a webmention to my WP install via brid.gy
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snarfed huh. mine rejects them.
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snarfed !tell tantek,KevinMarks https://www.google.com/appsstatus
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@hotlinewebring @indiewebcamp We went ahead and removed you from the webring, but feel free to come back and join anytime! (twitter.com/_/status/770666595727343616)
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ChrisAldrich I don't recall having changed any settings to accept them to home, it was automatic, though changeable via a filter.
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ChrisAldrich GWG pointed me to the filter at https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-webmention/issues/60 if I recall.
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ChrisAldrich snarfed: the first one I got was from twitter on April 15
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snarfed aha thanks. so yeah it's off by default, opt in, and you point them to a page
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ChrisAldrich Odd... I don't remember opting in at all...
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snarfed just based on reading that issue
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snarfed ah and your site's homepage is a page, which helps
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snarfed that's unusual (not default) for wp sites
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snarfed anyway
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bear hmm, my homepage advertises the wm url but I wonder if I count it as valid when receiving one
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@RikMende By the way, #selfhosting is always better option & joining #indieweb is even greater :)) https://twitter.com/shiromarieke/status/770663714869698560 (twitter.com/_/status/770673933012045824)
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@benwerd #indieweb https://medium.com/cool-code-pal/responsive-web-considered-harmful-f3a2f075e971#.e5vrzea25 (twitter.com/_/status/770674208393138177)
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Loqi [indieweb] "#indieweb https://medium.com/cool-code-pal/responsive-web-considered-harmful-f3a2f075e971#.e5vrzea25" by Ben Werdmüller on 2016-08-30 http://werd.io/2016/indieweb-cool-code-palresponsive-web-considered-harmful-f3a2f075e971e5vrzea25
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@schnarfed @RikMende @shiromarieke we at the #indieweb like @wordpressdotcom too! owning your domain is the important part. how you host is up to you. (twitter.com/_/status/770677931676807169)
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Zegnat Ugh, I think I will have to call British Airways or I might have troubles coming to Brighton. They messed up my surname. Of course.
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Zegnat We really need that internationalisation talk on the web again.
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KevinMarks1 British Airways: we put all the name work on our website into Honorific Prefix, and forgot about internationalization
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Zegnat Yeah, there are a few prefixes there.
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Zegnat I was slightly tempted to go with Mstr, which I think stands for Master.
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Zegnat A little sad they did not offer Mx.
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GWG Any messages?
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Zegnat The worst is they took all spaces out of my surname, possibly on my ticket as well, which means it would not match my passport
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GWG KevinMarks, there is a compatibility setting in the settings box about hiding the title. But I need to create a bulk tool.
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GWG Chrisaldrich, snarfed: I want to make it easier for setting the filter. Might create an interface for it.
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tantek !tell chrisaldrich,chrisaldrich1 I already had to update the IG Single Photo Bookmarklet - you may wish to update your drag&droppable version: https://indieweb.org/Instagram#Single_Photo_Bookmarklet
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi tantek: snarfed left you a message 2 hours ago: https://www.google.com/appsstatus
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GWG Hi tantek
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tantek hello GWG!
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chrisaldrich1 tantek: roger wilco, though that post does link back to the "original" on the wiki in case there are updates...
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tantek indeed - though the wiki links to your post for the only drag&droppable version, which I figure most folks will use since it is the most convenient :)
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tantek only found the bug (and fixed it) because I was selfdogfooding the bookmarklet this morning :)
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rascul chrisaldrich1 you can just say wilco, roger is implied
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GWG I am feeling like banging on the webmention rest endpoint again tonight.
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chrisaldrich1 rascul, sorry I'm a child of the 70's :)
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tantek as long as you don't bang your head, sounds good.
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GWG rascul, roger Roger.
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chrisaldrich1 What's your vector Victor?
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rascul never knew roger anyway
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ben_thatmustbeme i have begun work on mobilepub v3
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ben_thatmustbeme i'm never happy am I?
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GWG Chrisaldrich, You don't have clearance, Clarence.
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme, what makes it different?
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ben_thatmustbeme basing everything on new framework
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GWG Also, if completely rewriting things is the criteria... I am in that camp
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rascul what is mobilepub?
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Loqi MobilePub is a web app for posting various items to your website using micropub https://indieweb.org/MobilePub
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ben_thatmustbeme using http://aurelia.io/ this time, most of the code it staying the same for back end stuff, it just cleans everything up in to sane classes and such
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KevinMarks Is importing a loophole?
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Loqi KevinMarks: snarfed left you a message 2 hours, 8 minutes ago: https://www.google.com/appsstatus
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ben_thatmustbeme KevinMarks: huh?
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KevinMarks Seems like post type discovery should apply, and not make it a note if it has name and content
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KevinMarks Sorry, delayed response to gwg
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ben_thatmustbeme oh
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GWG KevinMarks, I never tested by importing. Can you open an issue?
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GWG Oh, and because of the WordPress design, all my notes have a name.
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rascul such mean chanserv
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KevinMarks But if name==content it's a note, if not an article, right?
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rascul GWG doesn't that technically make it an article?
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GWG I don't display it.
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rascul ahh ok
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GWG It is mostly for backend and slug purposes.
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tantek chrisaldrich1: updating the prompt text since "Photo" was kind of a placeholder ;)
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aaronpk What did chanserv just do?
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KevinMarks Right, but that's where the misclassification bites
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rascul aaronpk take voice from a bunch of peopl
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rascul e
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aaronpk Why?
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rascul shrugs
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aaronpk And then Loqi gave it back
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aaronpk bot fight
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ben_thatmustbeme i was messing with chanserv for a moment
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ben_thatmustbeme it must have autorun something
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ben_thatmustbeme i was fixing aaronpk's access to op people
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rascul so it's ben_thatmustbeme's fault!
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ben_thatmustbeme apparently
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GWG KevinMarks, I am not immediately sure the best solution because post type discovery doesn't factor in WordPress design.
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GWG But I will think about how to reduce the pain.
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KevinMarks Well, that may mean an adjustment to post type discovery
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KevinMarks Talking of design, I just tweaked Dan's sempress to actually be legible.
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KevinMarks 1.4 is a new record low contrast default.
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GWG KevinMarks, any suggestions on solving the problem when moving from an unkind site to a kind one?
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KevinMarks Maybe default being article is better - not sure how many wp sites are note+like by default
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KevinMarks So new posts may hit the same issue of vanishing titles
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GWG KevinMarks, there is a setting for default.
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GWG I have sites that default to article
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GWG Also, you told me radio buttons would be better. But I have radio buttons, so you shouldn't be able to select two kinds per post
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tantek thanks snarfed
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GWG I am concerned about an unknown bug there.
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rascul GWG do you have a screenshot of your posting ui? i've been looking for ideas for mine and it sounds like yours could be interesting to look at
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tantek now I just need the same for my own site :(
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tantek rascul see /create
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GWG rascul, I need to update the screenshots on the plugin page.
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tantek GWG, feel free to add to /create
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GWG I didn't after the last change
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rascul tantek i've looked at it a few times, i don't see GWG's listed
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GWG I have to quickly confirm my plugins work with 4
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GWG 4.6 anyway. Good time for screenshots
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rascul :)
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GWG WordPress has screenshot guidelines I need to look up.
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GWG I need more hours in the day.
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tantek oh dear my hosting admin UI is also not responding
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tantek support ticket created :/
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Zegnat I booked my tickets and hotel. IndieWebCamp Brighton is a-go for me. Probably means a lot of IRC-note-taking again :)
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rascul note taking is good
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chrisaldrich1 +1 on KevinMarks thought: default being article is better - not sure how many wp sites are note+like by default
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KevinMarks Er, I meant checkboxes in the settings page for which types to enable
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KevinMarks The scrolling multi-select thing is too hard
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KevinMarks I realise you can set the default, but the default default should be article
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@cubicgarden Micropub spec https://www.w3.org/blog/news/archives/5729 "Micropub already had over a dozen independent implementations in the #IndieWeb community" (twitter.com/_/status/770711394014601216)
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Loqi [indieweb] "At #IndieWebCamp NYC2 I wrote an Instagram Single Photo Bookmarklet to more easily post from IG to my site: https://indieweb.org/Instagram#Single_Photo_Bookmarklet If you use Instagram as a convenient way to post photos from your mobile device (e.g. I use my iPod touch) to the web, but want to re-use those elsewhere (like on your own site), you may find this bookmarklet useful. In one step it will copy minimal URLs for the image .jpg, the permalink of the Instagram post, and the photo caption, replacing any series of IG-style ".(linebreak)" characters with a single linebreak. It’s already simplified my own photo posting user-flow, making it faster by cutting out nearly a half-dozen previously separate steps. This increased speed (less time) to post a photo post makes feel more empowered to post more photos on my own site. I added it to the IndieWeb wiki as an easy way to quickly opensource it with a CC0 license, much easier than going through all the ceremony (AKA overhead) of creating a git repo on Github, creating a new file, saving, committing, pushing, pulling, etc. etc. (the very thought makes me wonder why so many developers are so enamored of so much extra work / steps just to accomplish a simple publishing/sharing task. It’s almost as if they have a greater desire for the comfort of ceremonial steps instead of saving the time and getting more done — likely worth a separate blog post). I got it working half-way through IndieWebCamp NYC2 day 2 "hack day", posted it on the wiki. Within moments of doing so, @aaronpk tested it on Chrome and saw that it worked! Soon after that, Chris Aldrich blogged it as well and provided a drag-and-droppable version in his blog post: http://boffosocko.com/2016/08/28/instagram-single-photo-bookmarklet/ Since then I made one minor bug fix this morning (found while selfdogfooding it and using it to publish photos to my site), and one minor UI update to the prompt text. I updated the wiki accordingly. In addition I'll share it here on my own site: javascript:n=document.images.length-1;s=document.images[n].src;s=s.split('?');s=s[0];u=document.location.toString().substring(0,39);prompt('Choose "Copy ⌘C" to copy photo post:',s+' '+u+'\n'+document.images[n].alt.toString().replace(RegExp(/\.\n(\.\n)+/),'\n')) There’s certainly more I can do to improve my photo posting user flow, and my personal site publishing user flow in general, but this was a nice step forward that I’m already personally benefitting from, and if you use Instagram to post photos, but want to also post them to your own site, you may find this bookmarklet useful too." on 2016-08-30 http://tantek.com/2016/243/t4/indiewebcamp-instagram-single-photo-bookmarklet
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@t At #IndieWebCamp NYC2 I wrote an Instagram Single Photo Bookmarklet to more easily post from IG to my site: http://tantek.com/2016/243/t4/indiewebcamp-instagram-single-photo-bookmarklet (twitter.com/_/status/770712891909472256)
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KartikPrabhu uh oh!
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rascul maybe Loqi should learn about max characters and rely on a provided link for when posts exceed that
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rascul s/rely on a provided link/ensure a link is provided/
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rascul or something
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gRegorLove Hah. I thought he usually truncates. Think something's wrong.
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rascul truncate, that's the word i was looking for
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Loqi [indieweb] "Representing Indieweb at DrupalCampLA" by Chris Aldrich on 2016-08-27 http://boffosocko.com/2016/08/27/representing-indieweb-at-drupalcampla/
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@ChrisAldrich Representing #IndieWeb at DrupalCampLA #drupalcampla #latergram http://boffosocko.com/2016/08/27/representing-indieweb-at-drupalcampla/ https://twitter.com/ChrisAldrich/status/770715121337237504/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/770715121337237504)
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gkbrk did he paste a whole blog post or something
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gRegorLove No, that was a PuSH notification since the post used the term "indieweb"
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gRegorLove chrisaldrich1: sent a like to your photo from drupcalcamp. webmention showed 200 but it doesn't show up.
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Loqi [indieweb] "Representing Indieweb at DrupalCampLA" by Chris Aldrich on 2016-08-30 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/representing-indieweb-at-drupalcampla
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Loqi [indieweb] "bengo.is back!" by Benjamin Goering on 2015-11-29 https://medium.com/@bengo/bengo-is-back-4fdb5f2b7e41?source=rss-123120bedae5------2
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snarfed medium.com :'(
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snarfed oh also posted nov 2015
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aaronpk huh. Yeah I thought Loqi truncated the PuSH posts too
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@benwerd Can we all, as a convention, include the word "bot" in our bot / scraper user-agents when we're fetching data? Thank you. #indieweb #bots (twitter.com/_/status/770728752905003008)
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chrisaldrich1 gRegorLove: I received 3 of them in fact! Sorry, I'm "moderating" comments at the moment while I'm figuring out a way to cut down on other unrelated spam. Yours ended up in my spam folder. (So I'll also have to forward them along to the Akismet team as well...)
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gRegorLove Ah yeah, my darn http/https issue.
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gRegorLove Think I'm basically ready to go https only, maybe I'll do that tonight.
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gRegorLove Cool. I think this is my first indie like to a WordPress site. I like how it knows it's a photo. "liked this photo..."
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rascul https only all the things
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Loqi http://meme.loqi.me/m/4j3MAciM.jpg
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gRegorLove Haha
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Loqi gRegorLove: lol
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rascul doesn't even have anything listening on port 80
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rascul not on rascul.xyz anyway
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gRegorLove I had to set up caching for avatars first, but I think that's been working pretty smoothly
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rascul if you start with https only and preload via https://hstspreload.appspot.com/ then you never have to worry about http on that site
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rascul except in edge cases anyway
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snarfed i'd like to go https only, but i'm still reluctant to leave behind people on old non-SNI browsers and platforms
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snarfed maybe irrational but meh
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rascul they are mostly few and far between nowadays
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rascul but depending on your use case and your user targets, that might be a significant reason not to
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on Instagram Single Photo Bookmarklet by Tantek Çelik" by Tantek Çelik on 2016-08-30 http://boffosocko.com/2016/08/28/instagram-single-photo-bookmarklet/#comment-31941
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on Representing Indieweb at DrupalCampLA by gRegor Morrill" by gRegor Morrill on 2016-08-30 http://boffosocko.com/2016/08/27/representing-indieweb-at-drupalcampla/#comment-31944
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on Representing Indieweb at DrupalCampLA by Kim Southern" by Kim Southern on 2016-08-30 http://boffosocko.com/2016/08/27/representing-indieweb-at-drupalcampla/#comment-31945
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on Representing Indieweb at DrupalCampLA by Jeanie Aldrich" by Jeanie Aldrich on 2016-08-30 http://boffosocko.com/2016/08/27/representing-indieweb-at-drupalcampla/#comment-31946
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snarfed yup. i serve hsts, so they're the only people who see my site over http anyway
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rascul iirc qualys ssl server test can tell about sni stuff for browser/version
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rascul also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_Name_Indication#Implementation
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snarfed enumerating the browsers and platforms is fine, but doesn't really change my decision process any
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[emmah] hello ! i am doing research on ICT infrastructure in regions with low ICT investment. i'm trying to come up with a metric to measure continuity of connectivity without interruption. does anyone have any ideas of a good metric to use?
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rascul for the most part, anything 2013ish+ will be fine
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snarfed what is ICT?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "ICT" yet. Would you like to create it?
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[emmah] information and communications technology
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rascul but if you're not just targeting the last few years of desktop/mobile browsers, then obviously your user target expands, potentially to stuff that doesn't support sni yet
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[emmah] but i'm looking at internet as a subcategory within ICY
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[emmah] *ICT
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rascul [emmah] maybe ##networking could be helpful?
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snarfed emmah: signal strength of different cell radio protocols at 1 mile grid increments?
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snarfed average ISP availability and price per 1Mb/s up/down at those same points?
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snarfed internet usage penetration by county, city, etc among adults?
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snarfed ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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[emmah] thanks! yes, already looking at penetration rate by region and demographics
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snarfed ideally try to find the same data from multiple sources, for robustness
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[emmah] yes, indeed! and thanks for the other two suggestoins
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[emmah] those are are helpful :slightly_smiling_face:
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rascul sounds like something facebook might have a dataset for
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rascul well, some of it anyway, they do lots of data stuff on things that might be kinda like that
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snarfed https://internet.org/
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[emmah] thanks, guys!
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rascul hehe internet.org by facebook
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[emmah] yeah.. i don't think they really have much data available on internet.org
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[emmah] but they do have a good state of connectivity report
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gRegorLove I saw an ad at the movie theater about facebook's solar plane / bringing connectivity to parts of the world that don't have much. That was a first for me.
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rascul oh that thing
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rascul it launched recently iirc
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gRegorLove Yeah, the ad showed it launching. It was pretty cool
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rascul i vaguely recall hearing about them building it last year sometime
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rascul automated internet plane
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rascul nifty idea
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gRegorLove http://www.recode.net/2016/7/21/12246190/facebook-solar-powered-airplane-video-aquila
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rascul i think that's the same article i saw, probably about a month ago heh
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rascul this makes me ponder doing the same thing with a small solar powered drone to lock onto my signal and "beam" internet to wherever i am at the time
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rascul probably too much work though, so i'll pass
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neilpdx rascul: with microwave and line-of-sight, maybe it will work
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rascul it could work
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KevinMarks Looks like I have another spiderpig pr
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@angelogladding @benwerd Canopy's bots have been notified. Sorry for the deluge. Paused now anyway until I incorporate PuSH. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/770747789701623809)
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