#indieweb 2016-09-01

2016-09-01 UTC
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tantek congrats aaronpk on http://ownyourgram.com/ being used by 100+ users!
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tantek aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 1108 karma (426 in this channel)
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tantek ownyourgram++
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Loqi ownyourgram has 1 karma
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[schmarty] haha, wow, sorry about all the retweeting, folks. i didn't realize the adafruit blog got that much follow-on traffic.
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Loqi hehe
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miklb [schmarty] more eyes on IndieWeb is good.
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[schmarty] looks like some content mills in there blindly re-posting content, though. :confused:
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@timweston @benwerd great post on the Known Devs group. I'm guessing my support request may have spurred it on. Isn't POSSE a cornerstone of IndieWeb? (twitter.com/_/status/771191227584618496)
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aaronpk oh look at that! i didn't even notice it pass 100 users!
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Loqi [indieweb] "Bye Known, Welcome Hugo https://tinokremer.nl/blog/2016-08-04-bye-known-welcome-hugo #withknown #indieweb" by Andreas Petersell on 2016-09-01 http://www.petersell.com/2016/bye-known-welcome-hugo-blog2016-08-04-bye-known-welcome-hugo-withknown-indieweb
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@Petersell Bye Known, Welcome Hugo https://tinokremer.nl/blog/2016-08-04-bye-known-welcome-hugo/ #withknown #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/771239269809610752)
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@makerfeednet The #IndieWeb is a people-focused alternative to the “corporate web”. https://blog.adafruit.com/2016/08/31/indieweb-people-focused-alternative-corporate-web/ (twitter.com/_/status/771299161346105345)
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@electronic_eqpt #Adafruit The #IndieWeb is a people-focused alternative to the "corporate web". Read Blog: https://www.owler.com/reports/adafruit/the--indieweb-is-a-people-focused-alternative-to-t/1472726761462 (twitter.com/_/status/771300007286681601)
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GWG Morning
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Loqi *yawn*
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[schmarty] Good morning!
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aaronpk Morning!
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sneanias Don't be silly, it's the afternoon
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aaronpk And the evening
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cweiske refers to UGT
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sneanias No, no, most definitely afternoon
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aaronpk What is UGT?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "UGT" yet. Would you like to create it?
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cweiske UGT is the "Universal Greeting Time" convention
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Loqi ok
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sneanias Does that hook not get annoying?
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aaronpk That was intentional :-)
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aaronpk UGT << http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html
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Loqi ok, I added "http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html" to the "See Also" section of /UGT
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GWG I refuse to participate in timezone related madness.
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GWG I greet by relative time.
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GWG My first greeting of the day is morning, second afternoon, third evening
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[kevinmarks] Morning, cloud
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cweiske there is no cloud - https://fsfe.org/contribute/spreadtheword.en.html#nocloud
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@Dan_Blick This is how an #opened #indieweb should work. Easily forking and reusing the open works of others. Rad, @krisshaffer https://twitter.com/umwdtlt/status/771409114215899136 (twitter.com/_/status/771411089204600832)
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Loqi [indieweb] "For a movement that cares deeply about control over data, it seems odd to be removing control from commenters https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/known-dev/orekBTTJMfg #POSSE #indieweb #bookmarklivingonline" by Andreas Petersell on 2016-09-01 http://petersell.com/2016/for-a-movement-that-cares-deeply-about-control-over-data
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Loqi [indieweb] "Bye Known, Welcome Hugo https://tinokremer.nl/blog/2016-08-04-bye-known-welcome-hugo #withknown #indieweb #bookmarklivingonline" by Andreas Petersell on 2016-09-01 http://petersell.com/2016/bye-known-welcome-hugo-blog2016-08-04-bye-known-welcome-hugo-withknown-indieweb
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KevinMarks1 GWG: the post kinds is stored in post-meta, right?
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KevinMarks1 post terms?
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KevinMarks1 o_O
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tantek KevinMarks: are you trying to decipher WordPress or something?
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KevinMarks1 I'm trying to fix mistaken post kind imports
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tantek from what to what?
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KevinMarks1 I'm in a maze of twisty MySQL tables
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tantek runs away
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KevinMarks1 it defaults to kind='note' if kind is not known, which hide the title
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tantek hmm I think by mentioning "MySQL" you admit yourself to #indieweb-dev
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tantek !tell benwerd,benatwork I kind of have to disagree with most of your analysis in this email, but the format makes it horrible for discussion, especially several points in one message/thread. https://groups.google.com/forum/?_escaped_fragment_=topic/known-dev/orekBTTJMfg#!topic/known-dev/orekBTTJMfg
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KevinMarks1 I feel like the king in amadeus: too many notes https://github.com/dshanske/indieweb-post-kinds/blob/e45f65d4dcc009e3b05bde7cd2c43ddee30d9875/includes/class-kind-taxonomy.php#L581
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KevinMarks1 post-kind implementation there doesn't ever choose 'article'
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tantek ok, by citing a PHP file (line of) you definitely should be going to #indieweb-dev :P
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gRegorLove Good afternoon, indieweb
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Loqi [indieweb] "1500 Word MTU has a POSSE: Week 2 Update" by Paul Lindner on 2016-09-01 http://www.1500wordmtu.com/2016/1500-word-mtu-has-a-posse-week-2-update
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plindner Decent latency Loqi, impressed
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GWG KevinMarks, it is a custom taxonomy.
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KevinMarks I worked it out eventually. Lots of tables involved.
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KevinMarks I wrote you an issue
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tantek I tried to improve the definition of /framework to be more understandable, and contrasting with library. I also added a stub definition of /library as well - please review / edit! Thanks.
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GWG KevinMarks, I never tested import as a use case, but I will be looking at the plugin shortly just to check 4.6 and may do minor tweaks
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tantek hey GWG, it looks like my indie-reply to a WordPress post was unable to read my comment as a comment (see http://davidjohnmead.com/blog/2016/08/31/7724/ ) I wonder if you can tell from that permalink why it just says "This Article was mentioned on tantek.com" instead of actually providing my reply text
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Loqi [davidmead] by ⚡️ ⚡️(Twitter)At #IndieWebCamp NYC2 I wrote an Instagram Single Photo Bookmarklet to more easily post from IG to my site: http://tantek.com/t4j34 Any thoughts @t to the addendum of my reply? http://djm.click/blog/b/28Y/#addendum #indie...
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KevinMarks Is the difference that you call a library, but the framework calls you?
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tantek KevinMarks, that could another difference
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tantek I think the key difference is that a library you just add to whatever you were already doing
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sknebel KevinMarks: common part of the definitions I know
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tantek but a framework forces you to rewrite your code in whatever way the framework demands
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KevinMarks Right, where a framework has an opinion on how you should do things overall?
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tantek hence your point about religion
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KevinMarks In Soviet web development, framework calls you
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tantek and its opinion typically replaces the "opinion" of the language/platform underneath
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tantek but this is getting very #indieweb-dev
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GWG tantek, I would have to troubleshoot with him to figure it out. Willing to.
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tantek GWG, ok, well if davidmead shows up I left him a !tell :)
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tantek he's also not getting the backfeed from my @-reply to his POSSE tweet as well
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GWG Tantek, there is no easy debug in the code, something petermolnar complains about.
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tantek GWG, well the webmention.rocks test suite is a good start
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tantek for figuring out which side (commenter, comment displayer) has problems
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GWG tantek, I wrote discovery tests based on it.
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GWG But never testing of the receiver.
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aaronpk now you can! there are two receiver tests
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tantek exactly!
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GWG I still want to rethink the split design that pfefferle uses.
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on Representing Indieweb at DrupalCampLA by The Henry Samueli School of Engineering at UC Irvine" by The Henry Samueli School of Engineering at UC Irvine on 2016-08-31 http://boffosocko.com/2016/08/27/representing-indieweb-at-drupalcampla/#comment-31968
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on Representing Indieweb at DrupalCampLA by The Henry Samueli School of Engineering at UC Irvine" by The Henry Samueli School of Engineering at UC Irvine on 2016-08-31 http://boffosocko.com/2016/08/27/representing-indieweb-at-drupalcampla/#comment-31966
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on Representing Indieweb at DrupalCampLA by The Henry Samueli School of Engineering at UC Irvine" by The Henry Samueli School of Engineering at UC Irvine on 2016-08-31 http://boffosocko.com/2016/08/27/representing-indieweb-at-drupalcampla/#comment-31967
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tantek wow ok
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aaronpk yeah definitely want to filter out those comment feeds
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tantek is that from superfeedr?
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aaronpk yeah