#indieweb 2016-09-07

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@malcolmblaney @fourtonfish no worries! join us at https://chat.indieweb.org/2016-09-06%23bottom if you want to discuss further :-) (twitter.com/_/status/773310671257604097)
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KevinMarks Oops, I need to route mention.tech thanks tantek
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tantek good evening #indieweb
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GWG Still just me, tantek
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tantek that's good company
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[kevinmarks] Evening
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[kevinmarks] Gwg, Did you see the GoDaddy wordpress news?
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GWG Yes, they bought out ManageWP
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GWG They've really been investing in WordPress
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GWG They said they are going to hire people to work on Core full time as well.
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[kevinmarks] Trying to get their people to come to Homebrew in both sf and portland
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GWG Someone from GoDaddy was supposed to come to NYC2.
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb!
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voxpelli !tell gRegorLove This is the endpoint one: https://github.com/pfefferle/node-webmention-testendpoint
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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cweiske I tried my command line micropub client with the wordpress micropub plugin and had to open three bugs :/
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cweiske the joys of interop
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GWG The plugin is not compliant
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cweiske but the wordpress micropub plugin was the original reason I wrote my shpub
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cweiske and now I can't use it
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cweiske maybe I should try known
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cweiske GWG, do you know if the the wp mp plugin supports file uploads?
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GWG It should limitedly, but the specification was still in flux when it was written.
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GWG It should support media side loads.
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cweiske is someone using micropub clients with known?
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KevinMarks_ Own your domain: http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_57cfa909e4b06a74c9f18bef
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KevinMarks_ I use woodwind with known, and quill and ownyourgram.com
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Zegnat Own your domain is probably the most important part of IndieWeb
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Loqi [indieweb] "Ran a successful first full test of my Flickr to @withknown photo and video import tool (http://mapkyc.me/1JWJE1X) overnight! #indieweb" by Marcus Povey on 2014-12-29 https://mapkyca.withknown.com/2014/ran-a-successful-first-full-test-of-my-flickr-to
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petermolnar morning
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petermolnar static-generator people, what do you use for search functionalities on your site?
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Loqi guten morgen
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petermolnar is realizing that while static generation is awesome, and it resembles the vibes of Microsoft FrontPage 98, there are functionalities which I'd taken as granted in WP, like search
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cweiske .. which is why I wrote phinde
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petermolnar a friend of mine just posted this: http://charlesnagy.info/it/typeahead-and-autosuggest-with-pure-solr-and-nginx
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petermolnar I never digged into Solr, but if I can index my text with it, that would be useful and probably without the need of "active" server side
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KevinMarks_ Tags is one answer.
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voxpelli petermolnar: people have search functionality on their site? why not just use Google?
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voxpelli petermolnar: also, the WP "search" isn't really a very good search at all
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petermolnar no, it's not, but it's self hosted
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petermolnar I'm trying not to use Google in my life unless there is no other option
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cweiske petermolnar++
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Loqi petermolnar has 22 karma (19 in this channel)
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voxpelli petermolnar: well, replace Google with your favorite search tool then
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voxpelli trying to self-host a search index of the entire web isn't really feasible :)
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petermolnar hm? index of only my own site
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voxpelli sure, site-specific search versus a global search-engine, I often believe a global search-engine delivers better result
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voxpelli for basic articles
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petermolnar is there a non-official mf2 for image EXIF?
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KevinMarks_ What do you mean, Peter? Putting mf2 into exif, or mapping exif data into mf2?
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cweiske I guess displaying exif data in a photo post, and wanting to mark them up semantically
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petermolnar ^^^ this
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sknebel petermolnar: don't think there is anything, at least i didn't find anything when I looked a while back and aaronpk mentioned it also as something to solve in the future (I think he wanted to add flickr-like display of EXIF data to his photo posts)
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sknebel (I wondered about separating time and location of a photo from time and location of the photo *post*)
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petermolnar I have something like that already, but it's definitely not mf friendly
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petermolnar sknebel that's also a valid scenario
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sknebel because I generally edit offline and thus post photos days/weeks/months later
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snarfed bridgy hit 5M responses handled! woo. https://brid.gy/#stats
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KevinMarks There was some exploratory work pre mf2 http://microformats.org/wiki/media-info-examples#Photos
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Loqi media-info-examples
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KevinMarks May be worth a more focused effort for image info
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KevinMarks What params are you showing now? What does flickr show etc.
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KevinMarks Do the process
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aaronpk voxpelli: I used to use google site search but its gotten worse over time
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aaronpk crawling less often, no longer returning complete results, etc
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aaronpk i switched to my own elasticsearch indexing my posts so I can make it work how I want it to
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voxpelli aaronpk: huh, that's not good :/
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voxpelli what makes me skeptical about self-hosted searches is that it takes some effort to build a good search and I wonder how often a site search is actually used
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miklb good morning IndieWeb
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voxpelli miklb: morning!
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miklb voxpelli I actually want site search as I post more notes to my site and want to find links/snippets I've shared
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voxpelli miklb: I want a Twitter-like search for the Indieweb :)
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aaronpk I use my site search to find old posts of mine to cite, i end up using it quite often
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voxpelli aaronpk: so it's more a utility for you than a utility for your readers? that's a use case I can understand
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aaronpk I don't know whether it's a utility for my readers but it's definitely also for me.
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aaronpk I should log what searches people do so I know if other people use it
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Loqi yea!
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voxpelli and log if they actually click on any results after they did a search so you know if they actually found something
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aaronpk well my search results show the full post so it's unlikely they'd click
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petermolnar KevinMarks sorry, I was working; the "basics": aperture, shutter speed, focal length, ISO; flickr adds Flash to this, I add the Lens if exiftool can extract it
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aaronpk interestingly, Flickr started showing those "basics" outside of their "exif" icon
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aaronpk https://aaronparecki.com/uploads/Screen-Shot-2016-09-07-09-25-13.png
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aaronpk https://aaronparecki.com/uploads/Screen-Shot-2016-09-07-09-25-33.png
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petermolnar that has been like that for a long while
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aaronpk i can't keep up with all the flickr redesigns
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petermolnar I don't think Flickr can keep up either :)
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tantek I'm thinking of doing 24hrs of @-replying to people mistakenly @-mentioning me (in English), not counting uses in profanity, and Twitter truncations of longer @-mentions that start with a 't'.
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Zegnat You should think about automating that, tantek. Then you can toggle it on/off
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tantek Zegnat automating *what* precisely?
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Zegnat tantek, replying to @t mentions.
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petermolnar Zegnat how do you tell apart valid and invalid mentions?
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tantek Zegnat I'm thinking of making the replies highly relevant to the specific (mis/ab)uses
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voxpelli Build neural network to decide of mistaken or correct mention -> if mistaken send tweet -> accidentally have tweet mention its own account -> inf loop until Twitter blocks it. Hacking is fun!
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petermolnar you might be able to teach a bayes filter though
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tantek and attempting to be friendly / helpful, or at least funny in a "Actually, ..." way
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tantek thinking of punctuating each with #tsplain
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tantek for 24hrs of tsplaining
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petermolnar tantek you'll end up as a gigantic sea lion :D
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Zegnat petermolnar, I think the filters wouldn't be too hard to set-up. People tantek is following / followed by can be assumed to make valid mentions. Things with certain words (CSS, W3C, IndieWeb) are probably fine too. I wonder how many are left after that
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tantek petermolnar: actually it's not technically sea lioning since I'll be responding only to people who did @-mention me
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petermolnar but by mistake
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petermolnar so it's a gray area, imho
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tantek like when the CEO of T-mobile uses @t-mobile instead of @tmobile
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Zegnat But probably not worth setting up those filters for a semi-gag
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tantek (seriously has happened)
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ChrisAldrich tantek: maybe a new twitter account @t_cually?
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Loqi ChrisAldrich: tantek left you a message 1 week ago: I already had to update the IG Single Photo Bookmarklet - you may wish to update your drag&droppable version: https://indieweb.org/Instagram#Single_Photo_Bookmarklet
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Loqi ChrisAldrich: tantek left you a message 5 days, 1 hour ago: could you add a "Travel & Lodging" section to IWC LA similar to https://indieweb.org/2016#Travel_.26_Lodging ? (looking for nearby / recommended hotel suggestions, beach proximity a plus :) )
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Loqi ChrisAldrich: tantek left you a message 1 day, 18 hours ago: what do you think of setting up http://2016.indieweb.org/LA for IWC LA? for ticketing, indie RSVP etc.
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Zegnat tantek, I have to ask now, why are you @t anyway? Instead of just @tantek?
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tantek I think that's an FAQ. Let me check
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ChrisAldrich tantek: I think aaronpk copied over details on the web landing site for LA already, I just need to delve into it to make changes. Will have to ask someone about the Ti.to process though.
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tantek ChrisAldrich: ok that's brilliant. checking
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Zegnat tantek, it was a FAQ
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Zegnat http://tantek.pbworks.com/w/page/19402902/faq#why_at_t
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tantek yay! you found it :)
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Loqi yay!
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Zegnat searched really hard to out-tantek tantek with a wiki link
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tantek Zegnat++
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Loqi zegnat has 19 karma (17 in this channel)
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Zegnat what is tanteking?
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Loqi Tantek-ing is a method of encouraging people to contribute to the wiki by indirectly prompting the person who first mentioned the term to create a short wiki dfn page for it https://indieweb.org/tanteking
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Zegnat Darn, looks like I used the verb wrong
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tantek Zegnat, nah, that's not even the first definition over the years.
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tantek (at least 3rd or 4th)
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ChrisAldrich tantek: You should update the wiki with the alternate definitions ;)
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tantek One does not simply provide definitions for one's own behavior.
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Loqi http://meme.loqi.me/m/4jBy4DSK.jpg
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ChrisAldrich ;)
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ChrisAldrich One has to love being able to play the straightman with Loqi
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Zegnat “One does not simply provide definitions for one's own behavior.” - except when you defined js;dr? ;)
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tantek no that was defining a broader problem
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tantek others were running w/o JS (e.g. with the NOSCRIPT Firefox add-on) long before I was
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voxpelli tantek: you browse without js always, or just sometimes?
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tantek Firefox with NOSCRIPT add-on always
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tantek selectively temporarily enabling JS for a few sites
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tantek and even more selectively whitelisting a few https JS
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voxpelli I guess my webmentions doesn't work that well for you then :P good thing it will get better in next version. would love to improve the experience as much as possible
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tantek voxpelli: I've been procrastinating because I wanted to solve the "handling webmentions on the server" problem myself firsthand to document all the issues I run into
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tantek selfdogfooding webmentions implementing as it were
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tantek in the hopes that I can come up with solutions / approaches to some of the stranger problems (e.g. all those @-mentions coming through as homepage mentions)
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tantek and document them for others to re-use
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gRegorLove Good morning, indieweb
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Loqi gRegorLove: voxpelli left you a message 10 hours, 37 minutes ago: This is the endpoint one: https://github.com/pfefferle/node-webmention-testendpoint
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voxpelli tantek: my upcoming solution links to an external page that shows all mentions, but hard to discover if there's any interesting mentions there then without opening the page. Maybe I should go iframe route instead/also?
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voxpelli though unsure how well an iframe can be progressively enhanced into a js-embed, can probably result in iframe being loaded prior to the js being able to replace it
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gRegorLove voxpelli: Sorry if I'm being obtuse, still looks like it's node?
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voxpelli gRegorLove: as it's a standalone local endpoint it shouldn't make much difference if it's a node-app, .exe or .app – as long as you can run it, or am I missing something?
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Zegnat How do I rename/move a wiki page on indieweb.org? I forget...
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aaronpk there's a "move" button in the toolbar
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gRegorLove I'm not running a local server so I'm not sure how to go about it. It's alright, though, I can just put up a simple HTML file on my site that has some loopback endpoints.
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aaronpk the node app creates its own server
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gRegorLove Right, I'm not running node
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aaronpk it's easy to install
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aaronpk it's not like installing and configuring apache/nginx
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gRegorLove Take that back, technically I am as part of Phonegap development. But I don't have a local version of my site to test anyway.
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voxpelli gRegorLove: ok, often it's the other way around – one primarily has it locally
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voxpelli and easier to spam crazily when no signals from it leaves your own computer :)
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Zegnat aaronpk: thanks, it was hidden in the overflow menu thing
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gRegorLove I'm on Windows, so haven't had much desire to set up XAMPP for a local test environment :)
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voxpelli XAMPP is pretty good actually :) used that heavily when I was on Windows
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voxpelli now I only use node, no server in front
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tantek what is XAMPP
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "XAMPP" yet. Would you like to create it?
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voxpelli XAMPP is a packaged Apache, MySQL and PHP setup for Windows
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Loqi ok
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gRegorLove Oh, I'm sure it's fine, it's just extra stuff for me to setup/manage. Lazy dev. :)
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gRegorLove Can others test out indiewebify rel-me test for their Twitter profiles to see if you get "doesn't link back". Reference https://github.com/indieweb/indiewebify-me/issues/52#issuecomment-245360955
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gRegorLove Already tested aaronpk, tantek, KevinMarks, and myself.
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voxpelli is not compatible with a one degree away rel-me check :/
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gRegorLove How about six degrees? :)
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voxpelli I tested 20+
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gRegorLove But seriously, are you saying the Twitter check returns "doesn't link back" for you too?
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voxpelli 3 would probably be enough though ;)
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voxpelli well, my page doesn't link to Twitter, but Twitter links to it
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voxpelli my page links to /about, which links to Twitter
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gRegorLove http://indiewebify.me/validate-rel-me/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fkodfabrik.se%2F "doesn't link back"
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voxpelli gRegorLove: my twitter links to voxpelli.com though
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gRegorLove Ahh
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Zegnat My twitter “works perfectly”, gRegorLove
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Zegnat http://indiewebify.me/validate-rel-me/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fvanderven.se%2Fmartijn%2F
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gRegorLove tantek's is the only one so far where capitalization and http/https doesn't appear to be any issue, but still fails. Baffled.
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gRegorLove Thanks, Zegnat!
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Zegnat What makes things turn “couldn’t be fetched”?
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gRegorLove Failed ajax request, possibly timed out.
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Zegnat Ah, alright
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Zegnat Also, Instagram says it doesn’t link back, but I was sure it did.
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Zegnat goes to investigate
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gRegorLove I think IG uses javascript to link back.
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gRegorLove Yeah. https://github.com/indieweb/indiewebify-me/issues/42
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KevinMarks_ If you link to twitter with http rather than https you get an error
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Zegnat Ah, yeah, instagram seems to be fully JS rendered.
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gRegorLove I don't think any of the ones I've tested link to twitter with http
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KevinMarks_ Facebook too. There's vestigial rel-me there
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Zegnat Currently URLs are stored in window._sharedDate['external_url']
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Zegnat for IG
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Zegnet Seems like my bouncer died, but must be an unrelated problem. Can’t even SSH in right now
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cweiske hm. micropublish looks nicer than quill
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cweiske jonnybarnes, your micropub client only says "Endpoint didn’t create the note.". do you have debug data lying around?
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KartikPrabhu what is micropub?
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Loqi Micropub is an open API standard that is used to create posts on one's own domain using third-party clients https://indieweb.org/Micropub
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cweiske snarfed, is there a reason you merge with merge commits instead of using fast forward?
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snarfed cweiske: no reason, just github default
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cweiske github has a dropdown on the merge button now
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snarfed i'm fine with either, not sensitive
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cweiske history is not so readable with merge commits for my taste; http://p.cweiske.de/362
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Zegnat There are multiple git flows that recommend against -ff, including “gitflow”
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snarfed eh. imho they're not that big a deal, and the debate sometimes feels like religion/bikeshedding to me, but i hear you. happy to fast forward in the future if i remember.
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cweiske snarfed, micropub plugin is currently totally broken here. cause is commit "switch from exit to wp_die()" ac82cba16b6cb109db9dea38fedb176bfb15304d
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snarfed cweiske: sorry to hear it! feel free to file an issue with details or send a PR
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cweiske k
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snarfed i think the tests currently depend on wp_die() though, so the fix isn't just to switch back
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cweiske that's why I cannot provide a PR
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cweiske I'm not that deep in WP
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snarfed not true, after all these PRS you're a WP developer now! :P
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snarfed but i can look eventually if you can't
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cweiske wp_die() does not seem to be made to return "success" messages
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cweiske beside, this is of course no json response
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cweiske snarfed, the micropub plugin probably should register its own wp_die handler when it's running, and then would also have a place where to output the error json thingies
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snarfed cweiske: hmm ok. maybe!
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snarfed i can look deeper later tonight, or feel free to describe the proposal in an issue or PR
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cweiske I'll work on packing up my command line micropub client in a .phar tonight
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cweiske first version of my cli micropub is ready to for testing - http://tmp.cweiske.de/shpub-0.0.1.phar and https://github.com/cweiske/shpub/#initial-setup
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cweiske currently supports "reply" and "like" actions
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cweiske $ ./tmp/shpub-0.0.1.phar connect commentpara.de
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cweiske To authenticate, open the following URL:
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cweiske $ ./tmp/shpub-0.0.1.phar like cweiske.de
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cweiske https://commentpara.de/auth.php?me=...
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cweiske Server configuration commentpara.de saved successfully.
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cweiske Like created at server
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cweiske https://commentpara.de/comment/58.htm
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Loqi [Anonymous] Like #58 Anonymous likes http://cweiske.de.
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voxpelli cweiske: if you want another endpoint to try with, then https://github.com/voxpelli/webpage-micropub-to-github with a Jekyll page at GitHub should be easy, not a 100% up to date with the standards, but works with most clients
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voxpelli and with the Heroku button it's very quick to just deploy a one-off test
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cweiske i'll maybe try later - I need something I can use while offline I'm in the train to/from work. known is next on my list
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voxpelli then that endpoint is no good, it needs to be able to talk to GitHub :/
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voxpelli something like Known is probably better
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@sdepolo Who else wants to create a #WordPress site using #indieweb themes/plugins? Join me tonight to partner up or learn: https://twitter.com/sdepolo/status/773247878177386496 (twitter.com/_/status/773624528060555264)
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KevinMarks Slogd, sloph, shpub - I sense a theme
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KevinMarks I wrapped my verify script in a chrome extension
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KevinMarks https://kevinmarks.github.io/verify-me.crx
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KevinMarks it works on my twitter, but gets 400 on tantek and aaron
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KevinMarks I wonder if I should show an icon for 400s
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KevinMarks http://indiewebify.me/rel-me-links/?url1=http%3A%2F%2Ftantek.com%2F&url2=http%3A%2F%2Fflickr.com%2Ftantek%2F
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KevinMarks Inbound rel-me URL redirects insecurelyArray ( [0] => https://flickr.com/tantek/ )
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Loqi [indieweb] "most of https://aaronparecki.com's rel-me links don't link back #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2016-09-07 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/most-of-s-rel-me-links-dont-link-back-indieweb
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Loqi [indieweb] "A lot of tantek.com rel-me's don't link back or 400 (because of http->https rejection) #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2016-09-07 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/a-lot-of-tantekcom-rel-mes-dont-link-back-or-400
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Loqi [indieweb] "Huffduffer shows lots of X's because it does a better job of walking rel=me links than indiewebify.me, which only shows 1st degree linkbacks #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2016-09-07 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/huffduffer-shows-lots-of-xs-because-it-does-a-better
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KevinMarks lots of false negatives
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GWG snarfed, we probably should talk.
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snarfed listens
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GWG I saw the stream of issues.
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KevinMarks is stress testing http://indiewebify.me/rel-me-links/
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KevinMarks heh
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GWG I am wondering what to do
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snarfed GWG: all part of development, not a big deal. no need to overthink :P
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GWG I meant in the long term.
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GWG I have an idea.
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KevinMarks https://github.com/indieweb/indiewebify-me/issues/54
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snarfed GWG: what do you think the long term problem is?
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KevinMarks I wonder if I should try running indiwebify.me locally
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snarfed (i didn't entirely know there was one, other than just normal work to do)
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GWG Problem is we need to update our support for the draft standard.
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snarfed KevinMarks: should run in dev_appserver, right?
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snarfed GWG: right, so, just normal development work to do
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GWG It isn't a problem. Just things moved without us
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aaronpk it should run in dev_appserver or just in a normal PHP environment too
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snarfed sure!
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snarfed no need for soul searching
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GWG snarfed, I am playing with the REST API infrastructure and I would like to use it to reimplement things.
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snarfed huh
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snarfed how would it apply to micropub?
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GWG It is an implementation of API endpoints for WordPress.
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GWG Basically, replaces query_var
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GWG So, makes it easier and more stable to implement any API
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snarfed oh. ok!
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snarfed if the main work we need to do is implementing the updated spec, i doubt that framework would get us any closer, so it would mean lots more work to rewrite the existing stuff for not much benefit
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snarfed but it could maybe be nice long term. if you want to start a new plugin from scratch, like you're doing with the webmention plugin, go for it!
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GWG snarfed, there is a benefit on simplicity and duplication.
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GWG snarfed, I am doing that to try and get core integration.
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snarfed eh maybe. for bigger, more complicated API codebases, sure. for micropub, that benefit would be small at best.
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snarfed great!
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GWG snarfed, either way, I may do the same experiment. Learning about the new commands and hooks is worth it.
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snarfed go for it!
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GWG But it is the as authentication piece that I have issues with.
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[shaners] chrisaldrich Thanks for the little PR on h-card-as-a-service. Just noticed it and merged/deployed.
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[shaners] I’ve also put a little honeypot on the form that will hopefully reduce / end the spam. We’ll see.
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[shaners] https://h-card-as-a-service.herokuapp.com
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KevinMarks does indiewebify use classic appengine or the new slow thing?
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snarfed KevinMarks if you ask aaronpk nicely, he might add you as an admin
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ChrisAldrich shaners: welcome, but no need as the fix was shorter than the thanks :)
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GWG Hi, Chrisaldrich
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ChrisAldrich howdy GWG! I noticed some nice subtle tweaks in WordPress Indiewebland while I was pseudo-vacationing this past week.
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KevinMarks I'm going to need to learn PHP again, huh?
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GWG Chrisaldrich, such as?
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snarfed KevinMarks: nah, no need. i never did
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KevinMarks so, chrome extensions can't be sideloaded except from local disk?
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ChrisAldrich just some small things you cleaned up and pushed out as updates... icons now show up properly in syndication links was one of the subtlest...
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GWG Chrisaldrich, I made small tweaks as part of checking 4.6 compatibility
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ChrisAldrich I'd also been thinking about replies from wordpress a bit... in particular cross-site conversations/replies.
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GWG Chrisaldrich, the UI is still not where I want it.
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ChrisAldrich If you and I both have posts and we're commenting back and forth, rather than splitting up the conversation amongst multiple posts, it would be interesting if I, as an author, could comment on your comment from my own comments section, but still have it send a webmention to your original reply (and so on back and forth) so that I have one primary post and you have one primary post, but the (threaded) conversation stays
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ChrisAldrich under the two posts rather than multiple replies (or needing salmention)
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tantek ChrisAldrich, indeed we have talked about that UX (being able to comment on someone's blog's comment form and have it post to your site), but via any one of: 1) comment web action, 2) Micropub, 3) Webmention (similar to the way Bridgy Publish works)
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tantek Woodwind.xyz has basically implemented (2)
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tantek so you can be using Woodwind.xyz to read an article, then use the comment form right there in Woodwind.xyz to post a comment which will use Micropub to post the comment to your site (and webmention back to the original article).
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ChrisAldrich I suspected a bit of it has been thought of before but hadn't seen any direct documentation.
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tantek You're right, we should document that as a top-down UX experience
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tantek similar to /create
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tantek I think there are those ideas (1, 2, 3) mentioned in various places in the wiki
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tantek but we should document it from a UX-first centric perspecitve
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ChrisAldrich In some sense, I'm doing a bit of it manually between my WordPress install and my Known install. I use WP for longerform content and Known for shorter and thus I'll use known to both webmention a longerform piece as well as something else simultaneously...
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tantek ChrisAldrich, could you start a /create#Comment section with this brainstorming?
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tantek for how to use comment forms on blogs and still ownyourcomments?
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tantek I'll see if I can dig up the other previous brainstorms / documentation on the wiki and link it up to what you write-up
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ChrisAldrich sure, though it'll have to wait for HWC in just a bit...
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ChrisAldrich Mostly it had been an off shoot for GWG asking me what I wish WordPress Webmention also included.
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GWG Chrisaldrich, that is why Micropub is so appealing.
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GWG It opens up platform neutral post UIs
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ChrisAldrich Except in this case, one is doing micropub to one's own comment section rather than creating a new /posts
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ChrisAldrich I was always surprised that in the days when everyone had their own twitter client that the concept didn't take off on other platforms
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KevinMarks I think Known does this by default, but I may be confused