#indieweb 2016-09-11

2016-09-11 UTC
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on Attending WordCamp Los Angeles by Stephen Harvey" by Stephen Harvey on 2016-09-10 http://boffosocko.com/2016/09/10/attending-wordcamp-los-angeles/#comment-32036
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ChrisAldrich GWG: Sorry I missed you earlier, I was on for a few minutes before heading out to WordCamp LA for the day.
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ChrisAldrich btw, I heard your voice on my shoulder telling me I should attend the session on unit tests...
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Zegnat Hello IndieWeb!
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cmal hello :-)
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Zegnat Anything going on today?
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cweiske i'm improving my private-instagram-to-micropub script
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cmal i'm making a blog for Unixcorn (extending the Hugo theme to support basic articles) → boring templating stuff
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cweiske jonnybarnes, on https://indieweb.org/Micropub#h-entry you wrote that you use a custom geo location format
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cweiske why do you do that? geo URLs allow additional parameters to be given, which you could use for the location name/title
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cweiske (https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5870#section-6.4 example 3)
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cweiske my instagram2micropub script is public now: https://github.com/cweiske/instagram2micropub
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GWG Morning
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Loqi rise and shine!
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rMdes Morning
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GWG Any excitement?
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GWG I am trying to use php-comments
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GWG But my array keeps coming back empty
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GWG I fear that I am missing something simple.
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GWG I am trying to use php-comments as the backend for my webmentions.
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KevinMarks_ Is it being saved to the db?
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KevinMarks_ I've done that enough tines where I forget a write() or put() or whatever the orm wants at the end of a change
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GWG KevinMarks, for debugging I have it output to the error log.
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Zegnat What is php-comments?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "php-comments" yet. Would you like to create it?
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Zegnat GWG?
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GWG php-comments converts mf2 into a simple format.
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Zegnat It is a bit hard to google without getting a thousand pages about // vs # vs /*
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cmal Zegnat: https://github.com/indieweb/php-comments
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miklb GWG can you use php-comments with WordPress? My understanding is you can't use Apache license with GPLv2
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Zegnat What is php-comments?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "php-comments" yet. Would you like to create it?
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Zegnat php-comments is a PHP library that turns hientry data from php-mf2 into a fixed-format PHP array, especially useful for [[comments-presentation]]. https://github.com/indieweb/php-comments
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Loqi ok
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Zegnat That’ll do for now, I guess :)
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GWG miklb, I can use it in a plugin.
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miklb GWG ah, just as long as you license the plugin as Apache?
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GWG The core part of the plugin is something that may be used in Core.
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GWG miklb: If it becomes an issue, I'll go back to pfefferle's code.
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GWG The reason I wanted to switch is that I could contribute to the non-WordPress project with enhancements, as could others. Broader base.
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miklb I don't doubt your goals.
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GWG Licensing is not my strong point.
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GWG I will have to seek advice on that.
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GWG Advice anyone?
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GWG I think I need to talk to aaronpk.
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GWG I checked. Php-mf2 is CC0.
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GWG So I'm not sure why php-comments is apache.
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miklb CCO on sofware?
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miklb s/CCO/CC0
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GWG "php-mf2 is dedicated to the public domain using Creative Commons -- CC0 1.0 Universal."
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miklb must be a new creative commons license
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GWG miklb: Since aaronpk created php-comments, I should probably ask him.
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miklb I just would hate to see you put a lot of work into incorporating a library that you couldn't distribute
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GWG miklb: I deliberately made it removable anyway, because it requires PHP 5.3
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miklb gotcha
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sknebel miklb: CC0 is basically putting public domain into license form (since the concept of "putting something in the public domain" doesn't exist in all countries), so it doesn't contain any of the specific language that makes other CC licenses not so well-suited for software
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GWG miklb: So it won't even load if you don't support it.
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miklb sknebel thanks for the explanation. It's been a while since i've looked at licenses
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[kevinmarks] Cc0 is what we recommend for standards and the wiki.
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GWG miklb: I found this note from one of the WordPress teams..
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GWG The Apache 2.0 license is GPL-compatible, but only with version 3.0 of the GPL. Works that are either GPLv2.0 or GPLv3.0 are appropriate to be hosted in the Theme directory, so that’s not a problem; however, works that incorporate or bundle Apache 2.0 works must use either unversioned GPL, or GPLv3.0 explicitly. The most likely occurrence of this issue is with Themes developed using Twitter Bootstrap. When reviewing such Themes, please be sure to check t
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GWG Of course, now I have the... "Creative Commons licenses are still incompatible with the GPL, and the theme and plugin directories."
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GWG But no one has come after me yet
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miklb I don't think that refers to the public domain license. I think its older CC license that require attribution
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Zegnat Wait, how can CC0 be incompatible. It is basically the same as no-copyright-claimed.
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Zegnat sniped by miklb
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GWG I'm going to just feign ignorance
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miklb frowns
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Zegnat php-mf2 is licensed CC0. I wonder if there is some reason aaronpk did not do the same for php-comments
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GWG Plausible Deniability.
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GWG Zegnat: That is the question I'm waiting to ask him.
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Zegnat Logi: go fetch aaronpk!
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Zegnat Loqi: go fetch aaronpk!
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miklb probably still doing XOXO stuff
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GWG Zegnat: I've only been waiting for five minutes. It isn't an emergency.
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Zegnat GWG, I know, but now I am curious
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GWG Me too
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GWG But it'll keep
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Loqi [indieweb] "Notes from SF Homebrew Website Club tonight: http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2016-09-07.html #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2016-09-08 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/notes-from-sf-homebrew-website-club-tonight-hwc2016-09-07html-indieweb
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Loqi [indieweb] "Is there a way to get people to understand how their networks connect? #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2016-09-08 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/is-there-a-way-to-get-people-to-understand-how
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Loqi [indieweb] "Homebrew Website Club Silicon Valley 2016-09-14" by Kevin Marks on 2016-09-08 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/homebrew-website-club-silicon-valley-2016-09-14
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Loqi [indieweb] "Homebrew Website Club San Francisco 2016-09-21" by Kevin Marks on 2016-09-08 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/homebrew-website-club-silicon-valley-2016-09-21
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Loqi [indieweb] "Huffduffer shows lots of X's because it does a better job of walking rel=me links than indiewebify.me, which only shows 1st degree linkbacks #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2016-09-07 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/huffduffer-shows-lots-of-xs-because-it-does-a-better
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miklb wtf
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GWG Okay, found my php-comments problem.
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GWG I wasn't giving it just an h-entry. I was giving it the whole page.
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GWG I knew it was something obvious.
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Zegnat Huh, TechCrunch is streaming their hackathon on Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/techcrunch
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on Attending WordCamp Los Angeles by Kitty Lusby" by Kitty Lusby on 2016-09-11 http://boffosocko.com/2016/09/10/attending-wordcamp-los-angeles/#comment-32051
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Loqi [indieweb] "Homebrew Website Club LA 2016-09-21" by Chris Aldrich on 2016-09-11 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/homebrew-website-club-la-2016-09-21
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@ChrisAldrich Spoke to me at #WCLAX and interested in the #IndieWeb? Our next local meetup is at Yahoo Playa Vista on 9/21 https://www.meetup.com/IndieWeb-Homebrew-Website-Club-Los-Angeles/events/234048285/ (twitter.com/_/status/775068417048981504)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Spoke to me at #WCLAX and interested in the #IndieWeb? Our next local meetup is at Yahoo Playa Vista on 9/21 https://www.meetup.com/IndieWeb-Homebrew-Website-Club-Los-Angeles/events/234048285/" by Chris Aldrich on 2016-09-11 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/spoke-to-me-at-wclax-and-interested-in-the-indieweb
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@ChrisAldrich @alexjvasquez, To which address should I send the gold embossed #IndieWeb invitation? You're cordially invited! https://www.meetup.com/IndieWeb-Homebrew-Website-Club-Los-Angeles/events/234048285 (twitter.com/_/status/775069575784169472)
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Loqi [indieweb] "@alexjvasquez, To which address should I send the gold embossed #IndieWeb invitation? You're cordially invited! https://www.meetup.com/IndieWeb-Homebrew-Website-Club-Los-Angeles/events/234048285" by Chris Aldrich on 2016-09-11 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/alexjvasquez-to-which-address-should-i-send-the-gold-embossed
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KevinMarks yay, from https://github.com/indieweb/blank-gh-site to http://kitmarks.com in under 20 minutes
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KevinMarks (I did the DNs pointing, Christopher did all the github bits)
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KartikPrabhu nice!
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miklb KevinMarks should keep my jekyll-indieweb project in mind too.
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@inhji testing posse from yamato to twitter #indieweb (https://t.co/3QzdemrISv) (twitter.com/_/status/775099933581987840)
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