#indieweb 2016-09-17

2016-09-17 UTC
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DanC_ sigh. fetching from twitter worked fine but I'm stumped trying to do WEBDAV to my owncloud/sandstorm thingy. details: https://indieweb.org/User:Madmode.com#Toward_week-in-review_PESOS
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[kevinmarks] DAV is supposed to be http, what happened to it?
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Loqi [indieweb] "As of 9/13/16 I’m beginning to own all of my reading data into & from @GoodReads ? #IndieWeb" by Chris Aldrich on 2016-09-17 http://boffosocko.com/2016/09/17/as-of-91316-im-beginning-to-own-all-of-my-reading-data-into-from-goodreads-%f0%9f%93%9a-indieweb/
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@ChrisAldrich As of 9/13/16 I'm beginning to own all of my reading data into & from @GoodReads ? #IndieWeb http://boffosocko.com/2016/09/17/as-of-91316-im-beginning-to-own-all-of-my-reading-data-into-from-goodreads-%25f0%259f%2593%259a-indieweb/ (twitter.com/_/status/777046879477444608)
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@sl007 @rachelandrew Recently saw some of your talk-videos. Very inspiring! Then saw co.uk. May I draw your attention to https://indieweb.org/2016/Brighton ? (twitter.com/_/status/777095529079697408)
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb!
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jpcguy89 So let's say I have something that's 100 x 100 on a view controller in my app.
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jpcguy89 How big should the 1x graphic I design be
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jpcguy89 in photoshop*
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jpcguy89 100 px x 100 px?
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jpcguy89 And what DPI do I choose for the document?
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jpcguy89 I mean resolution, not DPI -.-
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on As of 9/13/16 I’m beginning to own all of my reading data into & from @GoodReads ? #IndieWeb by Jake⇒McKenzie" by Jake⇒McKenzie on 2016-09-17 http://boffosocko.com/2016/09/17/as-of-91316-im-beginning-to-own-all-of-my-reading-data-into-from-goodreads-%f0%9f%93%9a-indieweb/#comment-32119
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on As of 9/13/16 I’m beginning to own all of my reading data into & from @GoodReads ? #IndieWeb by Jeanie Aldrich" by Jeanie Aldrich on 2016-09-17 http://boffosocko.com/2016/09/17/as-of-91316-im-beginning-to-own-all-of-my-reading-data-into-from-goodreads-%f0%9f%93%9a-indieweb/#comment-32122
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tantek very cool
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tantek great article on UX and silo's addictive designs (related to aforementioned FB weaning etc.) https://medium.com/swlh/how-technology-hijacks-peoples-minds-from-a-magician-and-google-s-design-ethicist-56d62ef5edf3
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tantek "For example, when you you want to look up a Facebook event happening tonight (your reason) the Facebook app doesn’t allow you to access it without first landing on the news feed (their reasons)" (!!!)
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tantek this is why I use fb.com/events as my way to check "happening tonight" !
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Loqi http://meme.loqi.me/m/4jM9Jn4Q.jpg
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tantek what
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tantek ok I think that might be overmeming it a bit Loqi lol
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tantek and " imagine if … * Twitter gave you a separate way to post an Tweet than having to see their news feed. [like POSSEing from your website!] * Facebook gave a separate way to look up Facebook Events going on tonight, without being forced to use their news feed. [like going directly to fb.com/events! ]"
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Zegnat Doesn’t that design principal apply to loads and loads of sites? I can’t get to BBC Radio without going through the BBC homepage where they try to gt me interesting in news articles instead.
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tantek yes - I believe that's one of the larger points of the article. Those two were just "obvious" examples to illustrate the point
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tantek obvious examples which it turns out we've got solutions to right here!
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tantek makes me think we can do even better with indieweb and empowering people to take control over their time (in addition to their data and online identity)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on As of 9/13/16 I’m beginning to own all of my reading data into & from @GoodReads ? #IndieWeb by Kristina Martin" by Kristina Martin on 2016-09-17 http://boffosocko.com/2016/09/17/as-of-91316-im-beginning-to-own-all-of-my-reading-data-into-from-goodreads-%f0%9f%93%9a-indieweb/#comment-32125
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on As of 9/13/16 I’m beginning to own all of my reading data into & from @GoodReads ? #IndieWeb by Ryan Barrett" by Ryan Barrett on 2016-09-17 http://boffosocko.com/2016/09/17/as-of-91316-im-beginning-to-own-all-of-my-reading-data-into-from-goodreads-%f0%9f%93%9a-indieweb/#comment-32124
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KevinMarks BBC radio has good permalink s per show
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KevinMarks What they are bad at is snipping the show out of the continuity
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KevinMarks Also the podcast feeds have different (more useful) audio when they exist
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Zegnat KevinMarks: Facebook events have permalinks too ;)
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tantek exactly
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KevinMarks BBC iplayer audio is a mess. The podcasts are better except their post permalinks are the mp3 I think
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tantek hmm
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tantek what is BBC Radio?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "BBC Radio" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what is BBC iplayer?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "BBC iplayer" yet. Would you like to create it?
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@krisshaffer Analog: The Last Defense Against DRM https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2016/09/analog-last-defense-against-drm via @EFF #IndieWeb #IndieEdTech (twitter.com/_/status/777204439103012864)
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GWG Where is the analysis of incoming like presentation on posts on the wiki?
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tantek I don't understand the question? analysis of what?
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GWG I know there are a lot of examples on the wiki. I want to look at how people display likes received by a site.
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GWG My first project in the community was a face pile, I am revisiting.
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KevinMarks_ I have a facetime courtesy of voxpelli
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KevinMarks_ s/facetime/facepile/
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GWG I don't have a facepile right now.
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GWG I am completely revisiting the issue.
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voxpelli A realtime facepile even ;)
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tantek what are likes?
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Loqi likes are sometimes part of the information about a post displayed on the post itself, sometimes in a post footer, like a total number like responses, icons of recent likers, or even a datetime ordered list of likes https://indieweb.org/likes
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tantek there you go GWG ^^^
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tantek page could definitely use some expansion with more silo examples and screenshots
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tantek GWG - perhaps you can help with that?
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Zegnat I recently added a Facebook screenshot for likes to https://indieweb.org/facepile#Facebook. Though I guess that is Facebook’s implementation for /reacji as well these days
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GWG I am also thinking about likes with comments.
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KartikPrabhu GWG: not many publish likes with comments
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GWG Some do though. So I am wondering about how I would display them..if different than ones without.
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KartikPrabhu what's the intention of the comment with a like?
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KartikPrabhu in my case, the comment with a like is to give context for people reading my site. I don't expect the liked post to display it
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GWG KartikPrabhu: That is the question
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GWG As I said, I'm revisiting the issue, so I'm reassessing everything.
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KartikPrabhu is there any documented list of what people intend with the comments with likes situation?
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KartikPrabhu without that how are you reassessing?
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GWG KartikPrabhu: That is what I was looking for in the wiki, among other things.
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jonnybarnes can php-mf2 resolve with a full URL, i.e. Mf2\parse($html, 'http://example.org/a/b/c');?
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jonnybarnes or do you need to strip the URL down to http://example.org before passing it into the parse function?
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GWG KartikPrabhu: I'd like to document as I explore.
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GWG For example, Bridgy at the moment seems to do empty content. WordPress does a human readable content.
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KartikPrabhu jonnybarnes: i don't understand the question
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KartikPrabhu php-mf2 should parse whatever page you want to with its own URL
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aaronpk jonnybarnes: you should give it the full URL you fetched the HTML from
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jonnybarnes in the readme the example is prarse($html, http://example.org), this means any links like '/contact' will be turned into 'http://example.org/contact'
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KartikPrabhu GWG: Bridgy does empty content because there are no silos that support like with comment
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aaronpk things like "../" will be resolved relative to the URL you pass in
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jonnybarnes so if I got the html from example.org/foo/bar, do parse($html, example.org/foo/bar)?
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aaronpk yes
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jonnybarnes thanks
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GWG KartikPrabhu: That is the spectrum I was outlining. From nothing to something.
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aaronpk (including the scheme of course)
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KartikPrabhu GWG: what human readable content does Wordpress give for likes?
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jonnybarnes of course :)
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GWG https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-semantic-linkbacks/blob/master/includes/class-linkbacks-handler.php#L166
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KartikPrabhu that is not the content of the like
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GWG KartikPrabhu: "Alice liked title on site."
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GWG It is not.
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KartikPrabhu it is how the like is being displayed on the receiving site
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KartikPrabhu so very different thing from what Brigdy is doing
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Zegnat jonnybarnes: from the README: Most of the time you’ll be getting your input HTML from a URL. You should pass **that** URL as the second parameter - see emphasis.
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aaronpk PR for readme update: https://github.com/indieweb/php-mf2/pull/105
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GWG Here we are, found it.
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GWG It will display the content, but only if the type is generic mention.
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GWG But I know I saw someone who puts the likes this into the content itself.
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GWG When I was playing with php-comment, I know I ran some random people's sites through it to see how it reacted.
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@krisshaffer Can APIs replace RSS? https://medium.com/@krisshaffer/can-apis-replace-rss-324f17bd2e26%23.8x5ur9nqj #DoOO #IndieWeb #IndieEdTech (twitter.com/_/status/777247141089730588)
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KevinMarks1 js;dr is not really an improvement
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KevinMarks1 what is verify-me?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "verify-me" yet. Would you like to create it?
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KevinMarks1 verify-me is a browser plugin that checks if [[rel-me]] links on the current page link back, and shows badges if they do.
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Loqi ok
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on As of 9/13/16 I’m beginning to own all of my reading data into & from @GoodReads ? #IndieWeb by Lynne Doran" by Lynne Doran on 2016-09-17 http://boffosocko.com/2016/09/17/as-of-91316-im-beginning-to-own-all-of-my-reading-data-into-from-goodreads-%f0%9f%93%9a-indieweb/#comment-32127
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KevinMarks1 [[rel-me]] << verify-me
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Loqi There was an error: Array
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KevinMarks1 [[rel-me]] << [[verify-me]]
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Loqi There was an error: Array
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sknebel !seen Schnitz
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sknebel (I always forget if Loqi understands that or not...)
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Loqi says (i always forget if loqi understands that
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[kevinmarks] One of loqi's previous incarnations did
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aaronpk i actually don't think so
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@kevinmarks @Wxcafe @codl @GayestDog we like them over at http://indieweb.org (twitter.com/_/status/777286163577004032)
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