#indieweb 2016-09-18

2016-09-18 UTC
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GWG Who is going to LA? I see a venue capacity of 100 and 4 people on the list.
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on As of 9/13/16 I’m beginning to own all of my reading data into & from @GoodReads ? #IndieWeb by Charles ☕ Stanhope" by Charles ☕ Stanhope on 2016-09-17 http://boffosocko.com/2016/09/17/as-of-91316-im-beginning-to-own-all-of-my-reading-data-into-from-goodreads-%f0%9f%93%9a-indieweb/#comment-32128
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Ask HN: Would you join a social network run by a non-profit? | Hacker News" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12520952 (from https://aaronparecki.com/2016/09/17/18/)
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KevinMarks I defer to Aaron on the history of loqi
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@kevinmarks #indieweb ftw https://twitter.com/xgebi/status/777381127111802881 (twitter.com/_/status/777386706962030592)
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gRegorLove Just learned github has pull request reviews: https://help.github.com/articles/about-pull-request-reviews/
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snarfed gRegorLove: new as of days ago
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gRegorLove Just tried it out: https://github.com/indieweb/php-mf2/pull/105#pullrequestreview-469664
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gRegorLove Now to get someone to review my 4 PRs on php-mf2 :D
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GWG I just enabled pull request reviews on the Indieweb plugin. I'd like to get more people who can review a request there though, but I don't want anyone to suggest a feature was adopted without peer review.
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KevinMarks http://www.theverge.com/2016/9/12/12891562/twitter-tweets-140-characters-expand-photos
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GWG Hello, KevinMarks
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KevinMarks So we'll need to change the length estimation
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GWG Can I pick your brain re your experiences trying to help Dan Gillmor?
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aaronpk oh boy
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aaronpk i hope they release character counting libraries
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aaronpk this is going to be complicated
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GWG Hello, aaronpk
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aaronpk good morning
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Loqi rise and shine!
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GWG Looking forward to Brighton?
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aaronpk yes! I'm heading out tomorrow!
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GWG I will be watching... except when they turn my Internet off.
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aaronpk I'm bringing a minimal streaming rig this time since I don't want to carry around 60 pounds of gear for the week
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GWG aaronpk, you saw mine for NYC2. An old laptop and a good microphone/microphones + an external webcam works nicely.
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GWG I would like to figure out how to do it with a cell phone.
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aaronpk a cell phone with the jabra bluetooth conference mic would probably do well
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GWG aaronpk, I am not sure phones can do YouTube Live.
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aaronpk they are! https://9to5mac.com/2016/06/23/live-stream-youtube-from-mobile/
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GWG I have some Android phones.
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GWG I can't find the setting to do live.
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KevinMarks Sure, gwg
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GWG But I'd find that convenient.
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aaronpk i'm sure there are dozens of other apps that can stream to an RTMP server and then you just plug in your youtube settings
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GWG KevinMarks, wanted to know your impression of the Indieweb plugin by itself, not just the things it installs.
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GWG aaronpk, yes. But with how cheaply you can get an Android phone nowadays and use it wifi only, it is worth exploring.
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GWG I will have to test this.
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GWG KevinMarks, I am trying to define what belongs built-in to that plugin as opposed to installed.
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GWG The original conversation that prompted the change seemed to suggest that features around identity made the most sense.
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KevinMarks The installing and then activating was a bit confusing
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KevinMarks Especially as the multiple plugin UI is poorly designed
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KevinMarks It also keeps telling you to install optional ones above activating the ones you have
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KevinMarks Then when I had the posts types bug and deactivated it, the "reactivate this" message was at the top, so Dan turned it back on when checking something else
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GWG That is a third party thing. I played with it a bit to change the messages. They can also be disabled entirely.
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Jeena Is there a Homebrew Website Club banner I could use for my events, somewhere?
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Loqi Jeena: tantek left you a message 2 weeks, 2 days ago: do you have a venue confirmed for next week's Homebrew Website Club? https://indieweb.org/events/2016-09-07-homebrew-website-club#Where
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Loqi Jeena: tantek left you a message 1 week, 5 days ago: is monthly still the plan for HWC Göteborg? Or can you update (perhaps with restart date)? https://indieweb.org/Homebrew_Website_Club#Gothenborg
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GWG Hello, Jeena
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Jeena hi
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GWG Anything going on?
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Jeena I seem to have less and less time for everything ^^
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Jeena but I'm setting up the event for this weeks HWC, a bit late but better late than never
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Jeena hehe the gif from the logo page in the wiki works cool: https://jeena.net/events/22
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Loqi Homebrew Website Club Göteborg https://jeena.net/system/events/header_images/000/000/022/big/hwc-logo.gif?1474216390
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GWG How has attendance been?
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Jeena it was always really different and unpredictable, but 90% were people from work, 10% people who have been interested in the topic
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Jeena but I got another talk about IWC, it's not official yet bit I'll be giving a talk at the local PHP meetup group in Gothenburg
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Jeena in october
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GWG I wish you luck.
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Jeena and then there is this shitty meetup.com website which promisses you people comming to your meetups but they practically never do,
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Jeena but because over 50 people joined the indiewebcamp-gothenburg group they try to sell me up to the bigger plan so more people can join
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GWG Feh
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Jeena but those people will not come to any meetings either ^^
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Jeena (I'm already paying but they want more money)
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voxpelli wonders whether someone should make a Meetup.com/Lanyrd style indie-event aggregator
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Jeena mhmm
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GWG voxpelli: Get on that?
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voxpelli has too much going on to do it
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GWG voxpelli: I sympathize.
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voxpelli I will prioritize actually finding time to attend an IWC again ;)
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GWG voxpelli: Come to one in the U.S.. I'd love to shake your hand.
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Zegnat Just organise it in Malmö, that’s the perfect excuse to attend ;)
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voxpelli Zegnat: that's totally what I should do eventually :)
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Zegnat Didn’t the wiki say possibly next summer during Malmö Festivalen? I seem to recall I commented I would love to help with that when needed. I need more excuses to go to Malmö.
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Jeena I would totally come and help you organizing it voxpelli
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voxpelli Jeena: cool – yeah – I should remember to look into that again and bring it up with some cool people over here
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Zegnat Nice!
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Jeena interesting, posting the event on all the websites takes me about 2 hours, the same amount of time as the event lasts. That is definatelly too long.
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KevinMarks__ There you go, demo instructions for tpac or iwc
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KevinMarks__ What is verify-me?
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Loqi verify-me is a browser extension that checks if rel-me links on the current page link back, and shows badges if they do https://indieweb.org/verify-me
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Zegnat I think I can demo that at IWC Brighton, KevinMarks__! I have both yours and mine installed. I also have it running on my phone, if I can somehow get that displayed to everyone there
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Zegnat (mine being the non-indiewebify background-script-fetch variant)
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snarfed saw that twitter might launch its new extended tweets and char counting as soon as tomorrow
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snarfed anyone here started updating their twitter API code yet?
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aaronpk i'm gonna wait for the official docs
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snarfed they claim https://dev.twitter.com/overview/api/upcoming-changes-to-tweets is pretty official
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snarfed logic, new/changed fields, etc
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aaronpk oh cool, didn't see that
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aaronpk oh hey this is neat: "Additionally, new Tweets that begin with a username will no longer have to use the ”.@” convention in order to have those Tweets reach all of their followers."
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aaronpk except that kills the other convention of specifically starting a tweet with a conference account to not broadcast those to everyone
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Zegnat You would have to make sure your tweet is a reply tweet. Only new tweets (e.g. Tweets that start by mentioning someone, rather than replying to that someone) will now broadcast to everyone
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Zegnat As long as you always reply to a tweet from a conference account you can keep them “hidden”
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aaronpk right
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snarfed sad hack to have to actually reply now to prevent broadcasting
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snarfed especially for new unrelated tweets
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aaronpk yeah i don't think many people will actually do that
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snarfed agreed. i may just not send those tweets at all any more, or only indie post them
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snarfed ah well
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Zegnat Conference could have a pinned tweet “reply here to discuss amongst participants” or something. But it sure does take away from the ease.
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aaronpk is curious when and how tantek is going to update his character counting code
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tantek uh oh what happened
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tantek and if me then what about Bridgy?
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snarfed tantek: yup, read logs :P
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aaronpk and silo.pub
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tantek hah :P
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snarfed fortunately publishing code won't actually break, it just won't take advantage of the extra space until it's updated
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snarfed *rendering* code on the other hand, like granary/bridgy, will misrender new extended tweets until it's updated
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snarfed (i think)
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aaronpk how so?
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snarfed aaronpk: new/changed fields for the extra prefix and suffix content
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snarfed details in docs
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aaronpk oh gosh really?
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aaronpk i'll need to update Loqi previews too then
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aaronpk has twitter always called it "reply context"? https://g.twimg.com/dev/documentation/image/image01_0.png
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@adactio @chriscoyier Yes! https://indieweb.org/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/777615866565361664)
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@web_DEVE__Lop #webdevelopment chriscoyier Yes! https://indieweb.org/POSSE — Jeremy Keith (adactio) September 18, 2016 (twitter.com/_/status/777619039619256320)
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@bobdesa64 Top story: POSSE - IndieWeb https://t.co/5T4hvvWRmM, see more http://tweetedtimes.com/helikopterdsgn/must-follow-web-designers-2?s=tnp (twitter.com/_/status/777640358645751808)
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@danavilcea Top story: #web #design POSSE - IndieWeb https://t.co/UI1von4Ln1, see more http://tweetedtimes.com/helikopterdsgn/must-follow-web-designers-2?s=tnp (twitter.com/_/status/777640360151572480)
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@EJCSoftwareS Top story: POSSE - IndieWeb https://t.co/cPIeWwqsF8, see more http://tweetedtimes.com/helikopterdsgn/must-follow-web-designers-2?s=tnp (twitter.com/_/status/777640361724416000)
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@ramanabng12345 Top story:web design POSSE - IndieWeb https://t.co/vWZ1xVc0u3, see more http://tweetedtimes.com/helikopterdsgn/must-follow-web-designers-2?s=tnp (twitter.com/_/status/777640362911404033)
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colintedford !tell tantek When I suggested first-few-word poetry titles as a model for post name/excerpts a year+ ago (http://indieweb.org/irc/2015-01-08#t1420772078393)? Turns out that's called an "incipit". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incipit
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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colintedford !tell tantek ...and it has some very old prior art :)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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