#indieweb 2016-09-20

2016-09-20 UTC
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[schmarty] Does that cover the wiki documentation portion of hosting an HWC meetup? :}
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sknebel [schmarty]: there is an "upcoming HWC" list on the front page as well
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[schmarty] sknebel: thanks! i'll add us to the list.
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@jgmac1106 Learned (thx @kevinmarks ) how easyis to build a github page: http://gmac1106.github.io/ just use this: https://github.com/indieweb/blank-gh-site #edtechchat (twitter.com/_/status/778023764390977536)
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@skry @klintron Open-source and indieweb alternatives to Dropbox static websites and something for free/cheap community websites. (twitter.com/_/status/778028795219423232)
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snarfed first bridgy casualty of new twitter char counting! courtesy of kylewm. https://snarfed.org/2016-09-09_22333#comment-2600898
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Loqi [Ryan Barrett] What happens when you brew 190° coffee into a glass tumbler every day for months. Current status: resisting the temptation to spend the next hour on Wikipedia. https://i0.wp.com/snarfed.org/w/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/wp-image-1803444461jpg.jpg...
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snarfed tracked in https://github.com/snarfed/granary/issues/89
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gRegorLove schmarty++ for Baltimore HWC!
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Loqi schmarty has 3 karma
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[schmarty] thanks, gRegorLove!
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GWG [schmarty]: Good luck.
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wagle !karma
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wagle hrm
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wagle !karma wagle
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Loqi wagle has 165 karma (0 in this channel)
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wagle huh, not this channel then
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KartikPrabhu wagle: might be an artefact of migrating from indiewebcamp to indieweb
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wagle plausible
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wagle I have 1 from some unknown channel
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KartikPrabhu the channels Loqi looks at are indieweb, microformats and indiewebcamp (legacy)
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KartikPrabhu I think
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wagle well, and pdxtech and pdxbots
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KartikPrabhu oh! dind't know that
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wagle the theory is that aaronpk farms his karma in pdxbots
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wagle !karma aaronpk
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Loqi aaronpk has 1109 karma (426 in this channel)
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wagle but hmm
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KartikPrabhu that might be due to Loqi re-setting karma after 1k before the move
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wagle ,eh, I was mostly curious as to where my extra 1 kamra came from.. don't need to worry about the puppetmaster^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H aaronpk
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KartikPrabhu not to worry wagle, how is it going? any new stuff on the indieweb front?
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wagle no.. sorry, freaking out because firefox decided to screw me over catastrophically.. but I have a reprieve until march 2017, by which time I need to have replaced the firefox bookmarks subsystem
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KartikPrabhu what did FF mess up?
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wagle I can't keep my brain organized without external aids, I now flail around
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wagle tags.. I massively tag my 2000 page wiki/journal/planner/organizer, and do sql queries on the tags
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KartikPrabhu through the browser?
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wagle yeah.. its the only solution I could come up with several years ago.. they've been torturing me with regressions since then, until this last one which blew 4 weeks away
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KartikPrabhu is it security policies?
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wagle now, I'm hoping to outfit the wiki server with all sorts of apparatus to get it to talk to some browser (chromium?)
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wagle well, there's that looming
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KartikPrabhu wagle: might be good to document in a blog post for someone else who runs into this
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wagle but in June, they did something seemingly small, but actually quite major.. I spend a lot of time editing tags... I used to be able to exit 5 minute tag editing sessions with CANCEL or SAVE. by defaults, the bookmark editor window is tiny, unresizable, and really a PITA.. they decided it was too cluttered, and got rid of the CANCEL button, ripping out the functionality in the process
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wagle this might not soud like much, but with this regression, I cannot undo mistakes, I have to try extra hard to not make them in the first place.. that takes 5 times longer.. a weeks worth of work in June took me 5 weeks
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wagle I think part of the deal is that they've screwed tags over so much in the past 10 years, that no-one much uses them.. so its something to be removed
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wagle Naiman's tailor
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wagle you remove the expert users to make the beginners happier..
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wagle I have two extensions... one lets you grow the bookmark editor window, and the other is a sophisticated sql query system for tags
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wagle with both extensions, tags are actually useful
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wagle without the extensions, they are silly
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wagle the blog post sounds like an idea
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wagle but at this point, I just want to remove firefox from the face of the planet
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wagle so, since that ideas a non-starter, I'm just working on my wiki-server-on-steroids
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wagle someone tried to get me to make the bookmarks subsystem an extension, but thats not plausible, since they are just randomly ripping pieces out ever 3-6 months
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wagle for the past 10 years
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wagle ...
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wagle I feel that firefox is not really open source, and that its turning into a walled garden
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wagle extensions are being turned into crippleware
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wagle .. so it's all I can do for the next 6 months to solv this problem.. putting the cat back into the bag doesn't appear to be a real solution
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wagle inhales
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wagle oh.. the other problem is that my tag solution is brittle and clumsy.. needs a major overhaul... something more powerful, flexible, general, etc. like tags need to name more than just bookmarks, etc
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wagle so I figure its time, finally, to do that overhaul
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wagle I was hoping for a year, I have 6 months
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KartikPrabhu wagle: interesting, I haven't used this tagging system you are talking about, but if you detail it in a post tantek might know some stuff
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wagle hmm
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wagle I thought about fighting firefox on their own turf, but I can't figure out how to make that realistically get somewhere..
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wagle they like stonewalling
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wagle but the blog seems a good idea
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KartikPrabhu again it might go smoother if you document these troubles. Maybe post a link on the FF "forum" and ask some people about it
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wagle been asking around, an occasional person has an idea
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wagle thanks!
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wagle KartikPrabhu++
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Loqi kartikprabhu has 137 karma (136 in this channel)
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wagle I'm thinking seriously of sleeping now
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KartikPrabhu sleeping++
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Loqi sleeping has 1 karma
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Zegnat !karma sleep
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Loqi sleep has 2 karma (0 in this channel)
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Zegnat Is there some way to merge "sleep" and "sleeping"?
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cweiske snarfed, why is the wp-mp plugin those before_micropub and after_micropub filters for its own functionality?
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cweiske to me it feels as if that makes the code harder to read
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cweiske or to grasp
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snarfed cweiske: good question! i think GWG advocated for that and sent a PR for it
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snarfed he knows wordpress conventions better than me, so i trusted him
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cweiske git log only shows CS fixes for that lines..
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Jeena Everyone near Gothenburg, don't forget that there will be the first Homebrew Website Club after the summer tomorrow at the Steampunk Bar: https://jeena.net/events/22
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Loqi Homebrew Website Club Göteborg https://jeena.net/system/events/header_images/000/000/022/big/hwc-logo.gif?1474216390
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cweiske "Move Processing to Hooks and Filters"
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snarfed yup that sounds like it
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cweiske https://github.com/snarfed/wordpress-micropub/pull/27
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KevinMarks_ Tonight in silo fuckery https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/778122290890407936
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@kevinmarks What the fuck, @Pinterest? When did you become a creepy wannabe matchmaker? Did Emily consent to this? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CsxyD2tXEAAPN-E.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/778122290890407936)
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prtksxna aaronpk: Cool
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KartikPrabhu ruh roh!
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tantek that's quite odd indeed
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Zegnat Wow, KevinMarks_, that seems a bit much
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tantek Woohoo! HWC Göteborg is back on! https://jeena.net/events/22
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Loqi Homebrew Website Club Göteborg https://jeena.net/system/events/header_images/000/000/022/big/hwc-logo.gif?1474216390
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Loqi giggles
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tantek is going to re-sort the HWC cities, we're growing!
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tantek !tell aaronpk,rhiaro,sandro I wonder if we can get a room to do a HWC Lisbon 18:30-19:30 Wednesday night? Interested? Let me know and I can try to get a room.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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rhiaro tantek: doesn't that clash with AC dinner?
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tantek checks
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rhiaro (also for me personally, I can only do CHI-deadline club)
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tantek missed the "Chairs Breakfast" this morning at 7am - not in printed schedule, and online sched had no location :(
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tantek rhiaro: AC dinner is *tonight* (Tuesday) 19:30-21:30
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tantek see: https://www.w3.org/2016/09/TPAC/ac-agenda.html#tuesday (W3C member only link)
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rhiaro whaaat
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tantek has links for his data :D
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rhiaro could have sworn it said Weds in the printed schedule
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rhiaro oh I guess Wednesday has a reception thing
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tantek right, we can skip the first hour of the reception for HWC funtimes
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rhiaro Sure. Can't promise I'll be there
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cweiske shpub 0.2.0 supports media endpoints - https://github.com/cweiske/shpub/releases/tag/v0.2.0
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cweiske which makes it the first open source micropub client to do so
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tantek whoa
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tantek aaronpk is in-flight right now, might want to leave him a !tell !
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Zegnat Now the wait for the first open-source micropub server to support it starts, cweiske ;)
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cweiske Zegnat, for testing I hacked my dummy media endpoint into known
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cweiske oh I was wrong. quill supports media endpoint of course
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cweiske so I'm #2
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cweiske so, we've got a client implementation status table now; https://indieweb.org/Micropub/Clients#Implementation_status
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cweiske only lists quill and shpub for now
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sknebel cweiske++
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Loqi cweiske has 56 karma (49 in this channel)
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aaronpk Landed in France!
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Loqi aaronpk: tantek left you a message 1 hour, 54 minutes ago: I wonder if we can get a room to do a HWC Lisbon 18:30-19:30 Wednesday night? Interested? Let me know and I can try to get a room.
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tantek aaronpk: wat
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tantek really hoping you meant Portugal
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aaronpk Oops is TPAC not in France?
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aaronpk lol jk
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aaronpk switching planes in France
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tantek hah
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tantek really hopes aaronpk got a *very* good deal for so many stops!
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Zegnat Welcome to this side of the big blue wet thing, aaronpk!
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aaronpk It was <$1000 round trip on my preferred airline and that's including arriving in Lisbon and departing from London, so not bad
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Zegnat can't imagine ever paying anything close to $1000 for any trip
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Loqi [indieweb] "@clochix @DavidBruant L'indieweb c'est: - diapsora c'est bien gentil mais tant qu'il n'y aura pas x convaincus, on reste dans l'entre-soit. Ou dit autrement, la" by Pierre Ozoux on 2016-09-19 https://microblog.pierre-o.fr/2016/clochix-davidbruant-lindieweb-cest---diapsora-cest-bien-gentil-mais
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aaronpk Living on the west coast US is expensive
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cweiske aaronpk, shpub has media endpoint support.
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aaronpk Awesome!
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aaronpk cweiske++
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Loqi cweiske has 57 karma (50 in this channel)
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GWG I am looking forward to IWC Brighton
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GWG Even remotely, gives me a reason to devote time to my site improvements.
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tantek schmarty++ for spinning up HWC Baltimore!
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Loqi schmarty has 4 karma
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[kevinmarks] Tantek, can you invite people to hwc sf? It only lets me invite friends
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tantek kevinmarks wat you haven't friended everyone who's ever come to a HWC SF?!?
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cweiske who is displaying location info with their posts? I saw aaronpk
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cweiske !tell aaronpk what kind of geo location info do you transmit to the micropub endpoint? geo URI with the coordinates only? how do you get the location name then?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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petermolnar cweiske only if it's a photo and the photo has gps info (auto-extracted w/ exiftool )
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cweiske petermolnar, https://petermolnar.net/ is white
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petermolnar huh?
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cweiske 500 internal server error as it seems
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petermolnar wrote Python code... into a PHP file... lol
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petermolnar fixed
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petermolnar that's what you get when you have opened PHP, Perl, Python and Java config open, I guess
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cweiske thanks
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petermolnar is anyone generating map images via Google to display location?
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cweiske https://miklb.com/page5/ is
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KevinMarks Known uses openstreetmap
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petermolnar gmaps because I'd prefer satellite images in my case
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petermolnar (again; photos)
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KevinMarks http://known.kevinmarks.com/content/locations/
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cweiske KevinMarks, do you know of a way to make known display locations for all posts?
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cweiske not only checkins?
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KevinMarks It's not a UI preference at the moment, so you'd need to change code
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cweiske ok
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KevinMarks This is clever - noscript around img tags so js;dr isn't an issue but can still lazy load them https://blog.wikimedia.org/2016/09/19/mobile-web-improvements/
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@decarola @iscarlets Per me è #POSSE (con precedenza dove possiedi il contenuto) https://indieweb.org/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/778265131960635392)
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aaronpk Good evening!
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Loqi aaronpk: cweiske left you a message 2 hours, 35 minutes ago: what kind of geo location info do you transmit to the micropub endpoint? geo URI with the coordinates only? how do you get the location name then?
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aaronpk yeah most of my micropub clients send the lat long and then the endpoint looks up the location name using https://atlas.p3k.io
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aaronpk but also if the request doesn't include a location my site looks up my GPS location and uses that
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KartikPrabhu KevinMarks: I have been using the <noscript><img> thing for a long time! ;)
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cweiske aaronpk, I'm thinking how the client could tell the server the geo location name. I'm leaning toward geo:23,42;title=foo
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KevinMarks1 isn't that what adr is for?
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cweiske how would the micropub property look like?
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cweiske MP spec says one should not use nested properties
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Zegnat Ooh, I can grab Safari 10 now, time for a reboot: https://developer.apple.com/library/content/releasenotes/General/WhatsNewInSafari/Articles/Safari_10_0.html
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KevinMarks Good question. I suppose I'm assuming you put it in the content html, but aaronpk has more practical experience
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@nxD4n @Mateusz #webmentions #indieweb anyone? @francoisL @Exibit @nifinet @quinze (twitter.com/_/status/778304033547231232)
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@kongaloosh I've added an #activitystreams inbox to my #indieweb blog. Only rhiaro can send me notifications though. :) (https://t.co/2y5uonoAjK) (twitter.com/_/status/778307517625446400)
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bear GCE (Google Cloud Engine) issue for anyone using asia-east1-a
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aaronpk My eventual plan involving tagging posts with venues is creating h-cards and then using the h-card's URL in the post in the "location" property
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KevinMarks1 so that's like a media endpoint for h-cards?
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sknebel KevinMarks1: h-cards don't require an extra endpoint, but can directly be created via micropub? (assuming of course your endpoint knows how to post h-cards)
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KevinMarks1 they could, yes, but if you want an h-event with an embedded h-card, it is a bit trickier
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KevinMarks1 The kNown ones end up with just a text location
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KevinMarks1 posse of RSVP in known could be clearer
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ChrisAldrich AngeloGladding: We had the same thought at almost the same time...
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ChrisAldrich AngeloGladding: Do you need a ride to/from Yahoo tomorrow?
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AngeloGladding Yes please. :)
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AngeloGladding I was going to reach out
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ChrisAldrich I have to deal with a munchkin, but was going to try to leave around 4:30 to head over, possibly sooner if I need to come in your direction to get you first. It'd be nice to beat traffic
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ChrisAldrich Indie webbers in the LA area Oct 13/14 may appreciate this event: Dodging the Memory Hole 2016: Saving Online News https://www.rjionline.org/events/dodging-the-memory-hole-2016-saving-online-news
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AngeloGladding whatever time works best for you
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ChrisAldrich It's not directly IndieWeb, but there's lots of interest overlap
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AngeloGladding I can bike in your direction to shave some time -- wouldn't mind at all
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AngeloGladding otherwise I live just three minutes from Charlie's
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ChrisAldrich Angelo: I'll try to square a schedule away today and call you mid-morning tomorrow to set up time/location. Biking even part of the way here would probably help.
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AngeloGladding cool. yeah biking on flat ground is *no* problem. pick me up at the base of your hill? you tell me.
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AngeloGladding FYI I'm aggressively hacking on a full-featured webmentioned RSVP of your indieweb event for demo tomorrow
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AngeloGladding some measured progress in the streamlining of the distribution and installation of the core platform as well which I'll try to demo as well
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AngeloGladding oh and thanks for starting the /Canopy page -- my initial braindump there helped me formulate a strategy for ease of deployment
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AngeloGladding look forward to tomorrow -- might have a +1 meet us there to boot
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@ChrisAldrich Dodging the Memory Hole 2016: Saving Online News via @RJIJDNA https://www.rjionline.org/events/dodging-the-memory-hole-2016-saving-online-news 10/13&14 @UCLA #DTMH2016 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/778353494872825857)
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Loqi [indieweb] " Dodging the Memory Hole 2016: Saving Online News via @RJIJDNA https://www.rjionline.org/events/dodging-the-memory-hole-2016-saving-online-news 10/13&14 @UCLA #DTMH2016 #indieweb " by Chris Aldrich on 2016-09-20 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/dodging-the-memory-hole-2016-saving-online-news-via-rjijdna
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ChrisAldrich Ping me with any +1 names you've got so I can forward them along to Yahoo security tomorrow morning to help prevent access problems
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KartikPrabhu what is Canopy?
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Loqi The Canopy is a decentralized social space underpinned by the canopy platform written in Python by Angelo Gladding that helps you create and fully manage a personal identity site with extensive support for IndieWeb features and API interoperability https://indieweb.org/Canopy
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ChrisAldrich AngeloGladding I was impress at how much you'd fleshed out the Canopy pages after they were created....
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GWG Chrisaldrich, I need your help.
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ChrisAldrich What's up GWG?
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ChrisAldrich I should have some details for IWC-LA posted for you and others shortly
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Loqi yea
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ChrisAldrich GWG: I'm about to head out of the office and won't be back until late tonight, but let me know what you need, I'm happy to help if I can.
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snarfed also http://sol.gfxile.net/dontask.html :P
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snarfed (related: http://tantek.pbworks.com/w/page/19402879/CommunicationProtocols#Dontaskifyoucanask )
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