#indieweb 2016-10-05

2016-10-05 UTC
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@linuxexperiment KWLUG: Watcamp calendar, Indieweb, Key Retention using Guile (2016-09) https://thelinuxexperiment.com/kwlug-watcamp-calendar-indieweb-key-retention-using-guile-2016-09/ (twitter.com/_/status/783457068560678914)
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KevinMarks1 ping tantek - invite people to HWC on FB
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KevinMarks1 also, we shoudl start a pattern of making the events at the end of each weeks meeting
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@sdepolo Own your destiny. Leverage your content on your own domain. Join #indieweb. Next #sanFrancisco meetup 10/5: https://indieweb.org/events/2016-10-05-homebrew-website-club%23San_Francisco (twitter.com/_/status/783510243628179456)
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KevinMarks hm https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12637413
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Zegnat KevinMarks: that podcasting post is real interesting. The only thing I can't seem to find is their spec for their namespace?
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@calum_ryan Sorted for my first ever @btconf : Dusseldorf 2017 ?? + possibly an #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/783614887633231874)
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@davinian If I delete my Yahoo account, would I still have access to Flickr!? Does that matter? Perhaps a GOOD reason to OWN my own data!? #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/783628579791892481)
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[ignaciodenuevo] Thanks @zegnat and @hs0ucy :slightly_smiling_face:
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hs0ucy you're welcome.
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hs0ucy [ig
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Zegnat !tell tantek I just noticed you use different emoji for /read posts for the first time, but shouldn't the one on http://tantek.com/2016/279/t2 be ? instead of ??
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] ? finished reading “Before Tomorrowland” by Jensen, Case, Bird, Lindelof last night. #hardcopy tantek.com/isbn/1484704215
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snarfed FYI all, i *think* bridgy now fully supports the new extended tweets, where reply-to @-mentions and media, quote tweets, etc don't count toward the char limit
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snarfed both backfeed and publish
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snarfed feel free to try it, and let me know if anything breaks or seems wrong!
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snarfed background: https://github.com/snarfed/granary/issues/89
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julianf1 Hi. I'm planning to come to the first Birmingham homebrew meet tonight, https://indieweb.org/events/2016-10-05-homebrew-website-club#Birmingham
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julianf1 Been looking into indieweb stuff for a few months now, but not met up with anyone so far. Hope to see a few ppl there. I see one other noob listed himself on the wiki.
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julianf1 (I was going to ask how many ppl typically show up, but then I saw it's the first meet.)
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julianf1 goes to catch the train from Nottingham now.
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julianf1 Laters.
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KevinMarks Hi Julianf1
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KevinMarks Do take notes on what people say - I use noterlive.com for that so it tweets out too
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KevinMarks Can we redirect #indiewebcamp back to here again? Looks like Julian was asking in both
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aaronpk did that redirect get lost again? every time freenode resets their servers it seems to lose the channel mode
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aaronpk i should make Loqi tell people to join #indieweb if they say anything there
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Loqi I agree
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julianf1 Thanks, KevinMarks. Will see if I can take notes as well as taking everything in. No promises!
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KevinMarks It's a challenge - it means that I don't take notes on things I'm demoing so well
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julianf Re. channels & redirects... bit confused. Am using the IRC GUI at indieweb.org/irc/2016-10-05 where page title shows channel as #indiewebcamp .
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julianf The same text is showing up in your (other) IRC reader at chat.indieweb.org/2016-10-05 where the channel is shown as #indieweb .
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julianf Not sure if that's expected and is what you're referring to as the redirect.
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sknebel we moved the channel from indiewebcamp to indieweb a while back
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sknebel indieweb.org/irc/... talks to #indieweb, but apparently displays the wrong name (because it initially logged indiewebcamp, and the old history is from there)
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sknebel ping aaronpk
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KevinMarks That's because the web UI is half switched over.
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KevinMarks Lots of moving parts
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aaronpk yeah and freenode broke the channel redirect apparently
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julianf OK so one quick update we want is the "Ask in the chatroom" link at the top of (some/every?) homebrewwebclub event page, s/#indiewebcamp/#indieweb/ ?
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julianf Nah, I'm wrong, the link doesn't include the channel name.
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sknebel right, it's just the title in the old logs
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sknebel lol, KevinMarks accidentially wrote something in the old channel ~ 2 weeks ago (my client apparently joined it as well), so the redirect has been broken for a while
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aaronpk probably the last DoS freenode was fighting
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sknebel can you have loqi reset the redirect automatically?
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aaronpk probably
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julianf quickly looks at noterlive.com , KevinMarks
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julianf not quite sure what it's all doing... Think I'll go for Etherpad for now.
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julianf fairly noob at all this... IndieMark probably 1 point something.
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KevinMarks It tweets out with the hashtag and speaker attribution, and saves it as html for a later post
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aaronpk when are we gonna turn noterlive into a micropub client so you can post on your site instead of just twitter?
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Loqi what
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snarfed oh wow https://micropub.rocks/ is launched!
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snarfed aaronpk++ congrats
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Loqi aaronpk has 1112 karma (427 in this channel)
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aaronpk it's in the works! I'm hoping to finish up the rest of the server tests today and tomorrow
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aaronpk but there are a handful available now
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tantek is there a github repo for noterlive?
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Loqi tantek: Zegnat left you a message 3 hours, 7 minutes ago: I just noticed you use different emoji for /read posts for the first time, but shouldn't the one on http://tantek.com/2016/279/t2 be ? instead of ??
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tantek hmm Loqi lost some emoji in !tell?
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tantek checks logs
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tantek hmm blue vs red book
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aaronpk oh dear
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tantek !tell Zegnat now that I've finished two one-volume books, I should document those real world examples. Previously only brainstormed: https://indieweb.org/read#Tantek_thoughts in short if you zoom on the emoji you'll see ?Vol 1, ?Vol 2, ?Vol 3, ?Vol 4 (see IRC log if that didn't show up in the tell from Loqi).
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KevinMarks Of course there's a github repo, it's linked on the page
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KevinMarks https://github.com/kevinmarks/noterlive
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tantek Micropub support issue filed https://github.com/kevinmarks/noterlive/issues/19
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tantek aaronpk ^^^
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aaronpk \o/
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KevinMarks http://xkcd.com/1742/
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KevinMarks I did start that at an indiewebcamp ages ago, but got stuck on something
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KevinMarks It was before there were any node libs for micropub
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calumryan Catching up on IWC Brighton streams. Would be helpful to have these numbered in order
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aaronpk you could edit the brighton wiki page to link to them in order!
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GWG Howdy
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calumryan Is there a template for video coverage on wiki?
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aaronpk i don't think so?
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Zegnat I couldn’t find any template, calumryan, so you will see /2016/Brighton/Demos just uses timestamped links on top
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Loqi Zegnat: tantek left you a message 1 hour, 10 minutes ago: now that I've finished two one-volume books, I should document those real world examples. Previously only brainstormed: https://indieweb.org/read#Tantek_thoughts in short if you zoom on the emoji you'll see ?Vol 1, ?Vol 2, ?Vol 3, ?Vol 4 (see IRC log if that didn't show up in the tell from Loqi).
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aaronpk oh hey the emoji worked
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Zegnat Looks like aaronpk fixed Loqi’s emoji display
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aaronpk i just don't see them in the database
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Zegnat Loqi++ for for drawing pretty pictures
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Loqi loqi has 404 karma (53 in this channel)
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Zegnat tantek: gotcha about the colours! For some reason your example on https://indieweb.org/read#Tantek registered with me as using read for starting to read and blue for having finished.
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snarfed FB released graph api v2.8 today, https://developers.facebook.com/blog/post/2016/10/05/graph-api-2.8/
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snarfed i don't see any relevant changes for us, other than maybe resumable upload api. https://developers.facebook.com/docs/apps/changelog#v2_8_new_features
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aaronpk oh awesome, i should look at that for the micropub media endpoint
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aaronpk looks straightforward
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tantek Zegnat, yes I realized how I listed my examples seemed to imply that. Am re-organizing my examples now
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tantek !tell Zegnat does this help https://indieweb.org/read#Tantek ?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Zegnat tantek: definitely! Makes it clear how you are using the emoji
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Loqi Zegnat: tantek left you a message 1 minute ago: does this help https://indieweb.org/read#Tantek ?
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Zegnat Note that Apple is the only one to put a volume number on them: http://emojipedia.org/closed-book/
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Zegnat I was originally reading the wiki on Windows 10, which has the colours but not the numbers, that might have contributed to the confusion
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tantek yeah, I figured that was weak. their unicode names are literally the colors of the books
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tantek ben and dion's reasonable follow-up to that crazy JS development article https://medium.com/ben-and-dion/i-want-to-go-back-to-the-1950s-of-web-development-fa69d7fe357a (posted here so the Slack channel bridgers can see it - benatwork, snarfed, et al)
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tantek their outline "The parts that resonate with me though are still there:" is good
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tantek I think a similar outline, just listing the problems (use-cases) that are being attempted to be solved in the "How it feels" JS dev article, would be useful as well, especially if framed purely from an indieweb perspective
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Zegnat I would just recommend everyone to sit down with a complete starter at same point. IWC Düsseldorf was an eye opener for me when I sat down with emmah
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tantek yes - very good advice
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tantek how do we capture that for future IWC?
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tantek Zegnat, could you add a brief summary (even just a couple of sentences like that) in a new subsection here? https://indieweb.org/IndieWebCamps#Tips
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tantek (also I need to update/rewrite the one FAQ there since it's a bit out of date - or rather, true only until say through 2015. We changed pretty explicitly in 2016)
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Zegnat I could probably manage a brief summary before going to sleep, yes
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Zegnat It is going to be a bit of a braindump though, tantek
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aaronpk braindump++
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Loqi braindump has 1 karma
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Zegnat tantek, aaronpk: https://indieweb.org/IndieWebCamps#Tips
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Zegnat Didn’t add anecdotes, but I was especially thinking about how @nebu and I said down with emmah during IWC Düsseldorf, and about how petermolnar made it very clear at IWC Brighton that he would be able to help people with WordPress (I think he ended up helping Izzy?)
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sknebel hm, that reminds me that we should have pinged the early leavers to post their "demos" somewhere
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Zegnat Where by early leavers you mean the Nürnberg group? ;)
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sknebel yeah, not sure if somebody else left early too
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sknebel http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/cloudflare-and-rss inspired by this, any known instances of webmention verification failing due to cloudflare or other anti-bot measures?
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sknebel potentially a challenge as well for webmention use in large sites
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Zegnat sknebel, write it up on /CloudFlare?
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Zegnat There is already the mention of captcha for Tor users. Which I should expand, because it applies to VPN users as well
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@sdepolo Own your destiny. Leverage your content on your own domain. Join #indieweb tonight in #sanFrancisco http://indieweb.org/events/2016-10… (twitter.com/_/status/783758980631801856)
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Zegnat I am off for bed, have a good one everyone!
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tantek Zegnat++ great start to /IndieWebCamps#Tips !
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Loqi zegnat has 24 karma (22 in this channel)
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tantek anyone use anything like /Goodreads but for movies and TV shows?
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tantek I would say Netflix, except there is nothing social about that, e.g. seeing what your friends watch, recommending things for your friends etc.
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snarfed tantek: something something scrobble?
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snarfed oh also getglue
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tantek except Goodreads is active not passive (scrobble)
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tantek a site where you add what movies/tv shows you a) want to watch, b) have watched, c) recommend to others to watch. just as Goodreads does all those for books.
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snarfed getglue?
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snarfed (i don't use these; i've just heard of them)
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tantek what is getglue?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "getglue" yet. Would you like to create it?
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snarfed i do it indie: https://snarfed.org/movies , https://snarfed.org/tv
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Loqi [Ryan Barrett] film reel Movies I’ve watched and want to watch. I liked, were just ok, I didn’t like. Naturally, this isn’t comprehensive, and it’s biased toward my taste. If I mark a movie , I may still think it’s good overall, but just doesn’t ...
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snarfed looks like getglue got renamed to telfie
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tantek what is watch
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Loqi A watch is a semi-passive type of post used to publish a video (typically movie, TV show, including video recordings) that you have watched https://indieweb.org/watch
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tantek adding you
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tantek impressive snarfed. I think you've shared those before I just forgot
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KevinMarks1 netflix has (had?) social features but they may not be always visible now
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gRegorLove What is GetGlue?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "GetGlue" yet. Would you like to create it?
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gRegorLove That was on there, I swear...
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gRegorLove What was tvtag?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "tvtag" yet. Would you like to create it?_
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gRegorLove tvtag is a social service for checking in to tv shows, movies, and sports that you are watching; formerly GetGlue.
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Loqi ok
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tantek gRegorLove: do you post /watch posts?
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gRegorLove What was GetGlue?
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Loqi tvtag (formerly GetGlue) was a social service for checking in to TV shows, movies, and sports that you are watching https://indieweb.org/GetGlue
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[benatwork] Idly wondering if there’s a social service for checking into impromptu events, rallies and protests, and whether that would be a good thing for the world (even if it was just used for Swarm’s old “come join me!” feature)
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tantek Swarm has some event check in features (e.g. specific movie viewings at theaters, or music shows at clubs)
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tantek but I suppose those aren't "impromptu events"?
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tantek benatwork - I think such "check into impromptu events" has largely been done in practice via Twitter
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gRegorLove Heh. GetGlue -> TV tag -> now Telfie: http://tvtag.com/telfie-checkin-app
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tantek and to some extent via SMS / BBM / other IM
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tantek e.g. when were those London riots? where the British PM said we need an off switch for Twitter?
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gRegorLove I like that idea, [benatwork]
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tantek yes my memory is mostly right: was MP though not PM: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/8704239/London-riots-Met-chief-Tim-Godwin-considered-shutting-off-Twitter.html
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tantek ah! there was an MP that called for shutting off Twitter! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8697850/Louise-Mensch-MP-calls-for-Twitter-and-Facebook-blackout-during-riots.html
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gRegorLove tantek: I might have a few scattered around, though have not consciously thought of them as /watch as I posted them. E.g. recommendation https://gregorlove.com/2016/09/predestination-was-really-good-up/
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Loqi [gRegor Morrill] Predestination was really good. Up there with Primer as far as time travel movies go.
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tantek gRegorLove: that's more of a /review (primary content) than a /watch
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gRegorLove How about https://gregorlove.com/2015/04/watching-the-lost-skeleton-returns-1/?
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Loqi [gRegor Morrill] Watching The Lost Skeleton Returns Again. Some movies just demand a sequel.
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gRegorLove Maybe also counts. Forgot about this one. So funny. :D https://gregorlove.com/2014/11/currently-watching-on-repeat-http-spazzdhn-1/
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Loqi [gRegor Morrill] Currently watching on repeat: http://spazzdhn.tumblr.com/post/91320324689 h/t @mikesacco
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gRegorLove What is passive?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "passive" yet. Would you like to create it?
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gRegorLove (linked on /watch is why I ask)
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tantek should be linked from /listen also
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tantek also I think most of aaronpk's /metrics are passive
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gRegorLove tantek: I get a "connection is not private" warning on https://tantek.com/w/WatchFilms#Favoritemoviesyoushouldsee, linked from /watch
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aaronpk most, except for the food ones. tho if i could make those passive i would.
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tantek gRegorLove: where did you get an https URL to that?!?
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tantek sigh
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gRegorLove on /watch
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tantek wat
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tantek oops
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tantek thanks gRegorLove. fixed
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KevinMarks Goodreads is almost passive with kindle - it prompts you when you start a new book
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KevinMarks And Louise Mensch isn't an mobile any more, she's a fill time twitter pest
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tantek Kevinmarks, that's interesting to document too - as I think many "passive" post types start (semi-)active as people manually log things for their own interest, then come up with ways to make it require fewer steps, and possibly zero
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KevinMarks s/mobile/MP/
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tantek do we have documentation somewhere about how silos are (more) vulnerable to wholesale government shutdowns/censorshpi?
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KevinMarks1 not sure. There is a counterargument too - that silos an be too big to shut down
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snarfed ie have money and lawyers when they choose to fight
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snarfed (and many do now)
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tantek like the instances of Google and MS saying to no to mass email filtering, whereas Yahoo said yes
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tantek also: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-twitter-m-a-idUSKCN1252J0
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tantek "Twitter has already whittled down the field of potential acquirers ... Salesforce.com Inc is in the running, while Google parent Alphabet Inc, and Walt Disney Co have also been contemplating bids"
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tantek In that regard I predict Alphabet, as G has been wanting Twitter's search stream for a while
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tantek why Salesforce? that one confuses me
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tantek "has yet to produce a net profit in 11 quarters as a public company."
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tantek impressive list of Birmingham RSVPs! https://indieweb.org/events/2016-10-05-homebrew-website-club#RSVP
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