#indieweb 2016-10-16

2016-10-16 UTC
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bear normally I do also, but it has aged enough to show signs that it soon won't start - I decided to not get a new one and use the laptop from my prior job (a macbook pro)
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bear I should probably give it to someone who needs a first laptop and get a new one
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Loqi I agree
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GWG bear: Chromebook is cheap and good in a pinch
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ben_thatmustbeme dang it, now aaronpk is working on offline posting
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ben_thatmustbeme gah, its depressing to put all this work in to something only to have aaronpk always do it better
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ben_thatmustbeme :P
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aaronpk i'm cheating
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ben_thatmustbeme oh?
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aaronpk you should still make a real offline app
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aaronpk i'm just using wunderlist
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ben_thatmustbeme actually, i am very close to being done with mobilepub v3
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aaronpk sweet
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ben_thatmustbeme or rather Inkstone as it will be known
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Loqi definitely
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ben_thatmustbeme I need to grab syndication data, and I've been focusing more on getting postly up to date with the new micropub spec
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ben_thatmustbeme once client tests come to micropub.rocks i'm sure i'll be working on it a lot more
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aaronpk yeah the client tests should be fun
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ben_thatmustbeme whats going to be an interesting challenge for me, is that i get around CORS requirements by hitting my server first and that routes requests to wherever, but I want to add a preflight check at some point and if it has the ability to, have the app just send directly
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aaronpk the app is restricted by cors stuff? I thought it didn't bother checking that cause it was running in a native app context
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ben_thatmustbeme i don't have a "native app" never have
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ben_thatmustbeme i had an html app that bascially cross compiled to it, but that was v1
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ben_thatmustbeme v2 was rebuilt as just raw html/css/js
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ben_thatmustbeme this time around i'm using a JS framework, which simplifies a lot of stuff
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tantek which framework?
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gRegorLove Good evening, indieweb
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aaronpk i'm experimenting with more static/bio content on my home page
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tantek what is a bio?
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Loqi A bio is a commonly occurring page or homepage section that provides a summary description about a person https://indieweb.org/bio
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tantek tries sending aaronpk a webmention from the wiki
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tantek hey aaronpk looks like the form at https://aaronparecki.com/webmention is broken
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tantek "{"error":"unauthorized","error_description":"The secret provided did not match"}"
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aaronpk wha
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tantek wait - does it require JS?!?
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tantek nope enabling JS didn't help
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tantek phew
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aaronpk oh that form shouldn't post there
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aaronpk haha i see what happened. action="" on the form, and a blank string causes the relative URL resolution to resolve to itself
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Loqi rofl
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aaronpk fixed
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek: re your question of which framework, Aurelia.io
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tantek redirects himself to #indieweb-dev
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tantek (just before going out to get food) - I wonder how many words I'd have to include from the beginning of a paragraph as an underscore delimited ID to create unique paragraph frag IDs across all my blog posts since 2002, thereby making them (partial) content based, rather than on order or nthness, potentially making them more reliable across content edits (start of a paragraph rarely changes as compared to latter parts)
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tantek e.g. http://tantek.com/2016/257/b1/xoxofest-overviews-personal-perspectives#i_braindumped_my_rough_incomplete (would be using first 5 words of a paragraph to auto-ID the first paragraph)
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] #XOXOFest 2016: Ten Overviews & Personal Perspectives
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tantek aaronpk: this is a follow-up from the script you wrote to auto-ID p li etc. elements
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tantek I was thinking about the way you constructed the ids
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aaronpk ah interesting
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KevinMarks Tantek, why underscores? Use %20 and you have a fragmention
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tantek KevinMarks: for exactly that reason!
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tantek explicit underscores for auto-IDs, %20 for fragmentions
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tantek makes auto-IDs forward compatible with future fragmentions
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tantek by avoiding the collision
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KevinMarks Hm. But the fragmentions will already work to identify the paragraph
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tantek however not yet supported in aaronpk's new script
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tantek which auto updates the URL bar to the ID of the element you select
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KevinMarks If it doesn't have an id, it could make a fragmention
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tantek try prototyping it to test that hypothesis
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KevinMarks Where's this auto-update script?
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tantek e.g. https://micropub.net/draft/
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Micropub
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@jkphl #indieweb folks, I'm thinking about producing some hoodies until IWC Berlin. Pls RT & express your interest @ https://indieweb.org/2016/Berlin%23IndieWebCamp_Hoodies Thx! (twitter.com/_/status/787579729444503553)
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@jkphl Lust auf einen molligen IWC-Hoodie zum IWC Berlin? Dann schnell Interesse bekunden ?https://indieweb.org/2016/Berlin%23IndieWebCamp_Hoodies und gerne retweeten! Danke :) (twitter.com/_/status/787580195679113216)
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@IndieWebCampDE Lust auf einen molligen IWC-Hoodie zum IWC Berlin? Dann schnell Interesse bekunden ?https://indieweb.org/2016/Berlin%23IndieWebCamp_Hoodies und gerne retweeten! Danke :) (twitter.com/_/status/787580195922448384)
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jkphl Good morning IndieWeb!
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jkphl I just had the idea of making some IWC hoodies until the camp in Berlin and added some info to the wiki page. Please let me know if you're interested in jumping on the train: https://indieweb.org/2016/Berlin#IndieWebCamp_Hoodies
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sebilasse aaronpk: How about putting a "Help"-link to https://indieweb.org/Etherpad at https://etherpad.indieweb.org ?
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sebilasse I could also make sense to reuse existing etherpads. If Berlin would also have a for example "serviceworkers"-group they could first look if there is a "serviceworkers"-pad already and proceed under the "Brighton archived notice" so that the etherpad would always list existing sessions ...
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sebilasse IT
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@sl007 @anked @_shamani Aber auch noch in den Älteren! https://indieweb.org/2016/Berlin (twitter.com/_/status/787615576936050688)
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sebilasse Problem: Berlin venue capacity is only 40 and 40 tickets are registered already ...
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jkphl sebilasse: Well then, first of all: "great!". And maybe send out a newsletter and ask people to double-check their participation and release tickets if they cannot really attend (I guess only half of the registered ppl will really show up in the end)
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sebilasse jkphl - Marc would do so next week. So - we should accept 78 tickets max. and don't do mass media advertising ;)
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@weconsecrate @CaptainToss just to fulfil my own nonsense indieweb principles, you could self-host using something like MediaGoblin (twitter.com/_/status/787672114555981824)
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@kevinmarks @carywood why is web not even conceivable as an option? #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/787686023316672512)
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tantek good day #indieweb!
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snarfed hi tantek!
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tantek hey snarfed - I hope you're having a nice Sunday. Since you've been such an early and innovative user / developer of webmention, could I ask you to file an implementation report or two for your WP+plugins setup, and maybe Bridgy too following the directions here? https://github.com/w3c/webmention/tree/master/implementation-reports
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snarfed tantek: i think i already did
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tantek for both? I didn't see the WP+plugins in the summary
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snarfed ah, no, i don't really work on the wp wm plugins
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tantek right - you don't need to have worked on it - just using it is sufficient
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tantek GWG is deep in the middle of a plugin rewrite so he's not able to do an implementation report
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snarfed those seem orthogonal :P
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tantek but I figure your WP+plugin setup is fairly stable
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snarfed but sure, maybe eventually!
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tantek and it would be better to have the report completed by a "stable" setup than one that is "in flux" for the purpose of standardization
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tantek I forget when aaronpk is trying to get them in by, but soonish (week or two?)
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GWG tantek: pfefferle took some of the code I wrote and is trying to shoehorn it into the more stable plugin.
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snarfed the one for bridgy actually took a fair amount of time, which sadly i don't really have in the next week or two. if it's time sensitive, maybe GWG or pfefferle could
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GWG So, the cycle of development is: He builds something, I send a PR, he rewrites it. He takes a break. I write a different version, repeat.
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GWG I don't know about the next week
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tantek GWG, that cycle is neverending, so that doesn't make sense as a reason to postpone doing an implementation report
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tantek GWG, you have just decide, as of this day, this version, this is how well it does in the implementation report, and then submit it.
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tantek And then when you make substantial improvements, you can submit a pull request to update the implementation report accordingly
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GWG tantek: This checklist will certainly help in my next talk with pfefferle
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GWG I think we could use it as a blueprint
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tantek GWG, can you see how well you do with the checklist / webmention.rock as of today with what you're running on your site?
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GWG I'm running stable on my site.
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tantek right, that version would be great to document
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GWG I want to be able to help others.
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tantek regardless of what state it is in
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tantek you're actively using it, as is snarfed and others
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tantek so that's a very solid indicator of a strong implementation
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GWG I need to post more actively, as many people here have mentioned lately.
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GWG Also, since the plugin is bifurcated into two separate plugins, does that count as a single implementation?
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snarfed GWG: sure, yes
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GWG I will see about giving it a shot, if basically for webmentions. At the least, I think I will use it to plan some additional improvements.
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GWG I am always doing something, either way
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aaronpk does anyone else here have a cron job or something that goes and checks old webmentions to see if they're still valid?
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tantek_ heads-up PDT indieweb folks - the US Presidential debate is at the same time as the usual HWC time: (6 p.m. to 7:30 p.m. PDT). Oct 19
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tantek_ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_debates,_2016
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aaronpk oh dear
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tantek_ Kevin and I already postponed HWC SF to next week
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tantek_ so we're all good
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tantek_ however - I mean I suppose you could live blog the debate using your indieweb tech
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tantek_ that could be a fun exercise
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tantek_ but in an opinionated way of course (fact-checking an such)
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tantek_ I don't see value in liveblogging a transcript since so much of what is said is nonsense (judging from the previous debate)
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tantek_ but hey if that's your preference go for it
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tantek HWC LA, PDX heads-up ^^^
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Loqi [indieweb] "Homebrew Website Club PDX" on 2016-10-16 http://calagator.org/events/1250470977
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Loqi Homebrew Website Club PDX on Wednesday, Oct 26, 6:30pm at Ankeny Tap and Table
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aaronpk jeez that's fast
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aaronpk i'm surprised every time
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tantek you changed it tonight?!?
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aaronpk ha it has a publish date of today
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tantek oh haha the Loqi summary from Superfeedr makes it look like it's tonight
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tantek it reads that way
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Loqi awesome
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tantek oh you postponed PDX also!
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tantek ok I'll update the wikimo page
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tantek done: https://wiki.mozilla.org/WeeklyUpdates/2016-10-17#Wednesday.2C_19_October
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